The One Where We Catch Up on Discovery

[00:00:02] This week on Deep Sase Fried we catch up on a lot of episodes of Discovery and a little

[00:00:17] bit of news.

[00:00:18] Thanks for joining us.

[00:00:19] Happy Sunday Johnson, how are you today?

[00:00:54] I'm doing okay Mike.

[00:00:56] How are you doing in this chilly rainy Sunday?

[00:00:59] Oh, you're just doing okay.

[00:01:02] Usually you bring more energy than that.

[00:01:04] Wait, what do I say?

[00:01:06] Do I say I'm doing great?

[00:01:08] No, you never say great.

[00:01:10] You're like, you never say okay.

[00:01:12] Fine is usually yes.

[00:01:16] Your baseline is fine.

[00:01:18] Fine okay or interchangeable.

[00:01:21] I think they're pretty much the same.

[00:01:24] Fine slash okay.

[00:01:27] Fine slash okay.

[00:01:29] Why, how are you doing?

[00:01:32] I'm good.

[00:01:33] I've had a good Sunday despite the cold.

[00:01:36] I got out before the rain and picked up a few things at the store so I could make breakfast

[00:01:44] and yeah.

[00:01:45] Just been doing some stuff around the house, made some brownies because it was craving brownies.

[00:01:52] Oh.

[00:01:53] Yeah, doing house chores really.

[00:01:57] Did you get new glasses?

[00:01:59] Are these new?

[00:02:00] No, these are reading glasses.

[00:02:02] We've got a second screen over here with the episode's handy just as a reference for our

[00:02:10] discussion of four huge episodes.

[00:02:12] I know, it's been a while since we recorded unfortunately.

[00:02:17] Yeah, yeah, I mean between being off for a mandatory week and then our truck keeps

[00:02:25] taking a week off and then you were traveling.

[00:02:28] Yeah, I was traveling or something.

[00:02:30] We were traveling and then you were swamped for like two weeks.

[00:02:35] I was swamped.

[00:02:36] Yeah, yeah life has been very busy lately so it was nice to just have an easy going Sunday

[00:02:45] where I could just chill out.

[00:02:49] Yeah.

[00:02:50] Yeah.

[00:02:51] Did you do anything fun this weekend?

[00:02:55] Not a lot.

[00:02:56] I mean, I had dinner with some friends last night and wait who?

[00:02:59] What do you mean wait who?

[00:03:02] Wait no, I don't know.

[00:03:05] Friends.

[00:03:06] Anyone I know?

[00:03:07] Maybe.

[00:03:08] Maybe not.

[00:03:09] So defensive that I have other friends that I've just like curious.

[00:03:17] Curious.

[00:03:18] Well, I know.

[00:03:20] Yes.

[00:03:21] So that was about it.

[00:03:23] So Friday night I did, I did invite some margaritas that made me a little tipsy.

[00:03:30] So yes.

[00:03:31] Of course.

[00:03:32] Which was good.

[00:03:33] Yes.

[00:03:34] Yeah.

[00:03:35] And you and Dennis are going to what Mexico this month?

[00:03:38] Is that right?

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:40] Yeah, we'll be in Mexico City in two weeks.

[00:03:43] We got to fly to Carmen in 10 days or so.

[00:03:48] Something like that.

[00:03:49] Fine.

[00:03:50] Are you excited?

[00:03:52] Yes.

[00:03:53] We have a wedding to go to and then a little side vacation in Mexico City afterwards.

[00:03:59] So yeah, excited to be off from work.

[00:04:04] I'm almost like 90% sure I'm not going to pay for my laptop.

[00:04:09] So okay.

[00:04:12] So yeah, I've warned work.

[00:04:16] Nature.

[00:04:17] Everyone knows that I will be gone and it's almost time I get to almost two weeks off

[00:04:21] because the way the vacation runs runs into your Memorial Day weekend.

[00:04:25] So.

[00:04:26] All right.

[00:04:27] Oh my God, I can't believe Memorial Day is here.

[00:04:29] Summer's basically over.

[00:04:30] Well, I mean today is May the 5th.

[00:04:34] So revenge of the fifth as the Star Wars fans would say.

[00:04:38] Oh.

[00:04:39] Yesterday was May the 4th be with you.

[00:04:41] I know.

[00:04:42] I know.

[00:04:43] Yes.

[00:04:44] I mean, I was like someone who likes multiple genres, not just Star Trek.

[00:04:49] That was pretty cool.

[00:04:51] I didn't realize that May the 5th is also a thing.

[00:04:55] I think it's just to continue the and also fifth.

[00:04:58] So you know, that sort of plan words.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:01] I know.

[00:05:02] I know understand and comprehend.

[00:05:03] Okay.

[00:05:04] Well, you know, I'm just not sure.

[00:05:05] Yeah.

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:07] It's never realized it was a thing.

[00:05:09] Okay.

[00:05:10] Yeah.

[00:05:11] There's not a lot.

[00:05:12] I mean, it's mostly the fourth, you know, May the 4th.

[00:05:13] Right.

[00:05:15] I mean, they know how to do May the 4th.

[00:05:20] Unlike other franchises who I know, who do not do first contact day well or Star Trek

[00:05:28] anniversary day.

[00:05:30] Well, yes, there could be some notes taken from said examples.

[00:05:38] Well, I think that part of it needs to.

[00:05:42] I mean, I think May the 4th has also been very fan driven.

[00:05:47] It's not necessarily like, oh, the brand obviously the brand makes a thing out of it.

[00:05:52] But you know, I think it's very like even like corporations get onto it.

[00:05:57] I just don't think, you know, Star Trek has the same cachet, you know, as Star Wars

[00:06:02] does and the same kind of mainline attraction.

[00:06:06] Like I'm not going to.

[00:06:07] I don't want to say, you know, corporations like jumping in on, you know, first

[00:06:12] contact day like a border.

[00:06:14] Oh, I'm not even talking about that.

[00:06:15] I was thinking like so yesterday they released a trailer for the Acklite, which is their

[00:06:22] new series starting in a month.

[00:06:24] Yeah.

[00:06:25] And which is a pretty big deal.

[00:06:27] You know, it's like a meaty trailer to and then they also released the tales of the

[00:06:34] Empire, you know, a six episode animated shorts.

[00:06:41] And also this past week was the finale of the Bad Batch.

[00:06:44] So you know, it just, you know, I think they've planted out a little bit more, more closely.

[00:06:52] And I think, you know, are, you know, the namesake of this podcast franchise to take

[00:06:59] some notes.

[00:07:00] That's all that's all I'm saying.

[00:07:02] Yeah.

[00:07:03] Anyway.

[00:07:04] Yeah.

[00:07:06] Yeah.

[00:07:08] I did the Acklite trailer.

[00:07:09] I did.

[00:07:10] I did watch that.

[00:07:11] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:12] Yeah, it was really good.

[00:07:15] The ending is very the end of the trailer is very interesting.

[00:07:19] I didn't realize so what's his name from?

[00:07:22] I can't pronounce his name nor do I recall it.

[00:07:25] The guy from Squid Game was in the Acklite.

[00:07:29] Yeah, he was the main in Squid Game.

[00:07:31] He put he's the Asian Jedi master.

[00:07:34] I don't know his name.

[00:07:35] Oh, OK.

[00:07:36] Well, there are several Asian people in this show, which is great.

[00:07:41] But he learned English for this role.

[00:07:46] Oh, I was like, oh, that's so cool.

[00:07:48] That's interesting.

[00:07:49] Wow, that is amazing.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:52] I'm more interested in the red bladed individual at the end of the trailer.

[00:07:57] That's really interesting.

[00:07:59] Oh, yeah.

[00:07:59] We have not seen before or someone we've not seen before.

[00:08:03] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:08:06] Yes, but this is not a Star Wars podcast.

[00:08:09] This is a Star Trek podcast.

[00:08:11] I mean, we talk about like other other series like one day last time.

[00:08:17] No, no, I mean, you know, if this were a Star Wars podcast,

[00:08:20] I'd be like, oh, it was Darth so and so.

[00:08:22] But, you know, I have no idea.

[00:08:23] Do you have a theory as to who it is?

[00:08:25] Oh, no, no, I have no idea who it is.

[00:08:27] I'm sure, you know, yeah.

[00:08:28] I listened to one or two other Star Trek podcast,

[00:08:32] a Star Wars podcast rather.

[00:08:34] And I have not heard from their perspective on the trailer.

[00:08:40] Oh, interesting.

[00:08:42] All right.

[00:08:43] That's actually where I get my more money

[00:08:45] information from for more experts in that room.

[00:08:48] So I see.

[00:08:50] Yeah, got it.

[00:08:53] So anyway, anything else you've been watching or taking of?

[00:08:58] Oh, oh, like TV and movies and such.

[00:09:04] Oh, I want to see Civil War.

[00:09:06] I told you about that.

[00:09:07] Oh, right. Yeah.

[00:09:08] Yes, yes, yes.

[00:09:09] Yeah, which I actually thought was really good.

[00:09:12] I think that they

[00:09:14] marketed it in a very obviously specific way, but it ended up being

[00:09:18] it felt like a very indie movie and it was

[00:09:21] really more of a character study of sorts.

[00:09:24] I thought it was I thought it was really good.

[00:09:26] It was really, really well done.

[00:09:28] And I liked it more than I thought I would.

[00:09:30] So it was like mentioned to this to you, though,

[00:09:32] it was a very stressful two hours.

[00:09:35] Like there was just like a very, you know, it's like a war movie.

[00:09:37] Like there is a war movie aspect to it.

[00:09:40] Yeah, so it was just like it was very, very tense.

[00:09:44] But it was really, really, really well done.

[00:09:47] OK.

[00:09:48] So and then what does have been seeing or watching?

[00:09:53] I started watching the Dead Boy Detective Agency.

[00:09:57] I watched one episode of that.

[00:09:58] Yeah, which is just OK.

[00:10:00] I mean, it's enjoyable.

[00:10:00] It's like it's like a you know,

[00:10:02] you know, kind of Neil Gaiman and Sam and Universe

[00:10:06] extension kind of series.

[00:10:09] And it's magical.

[00:10:11] The two leads are kind of cute, like, you know, whatever.

[00:10:15] So it's British.

[00:10:19] Exactly.

[00:10:19] Things that are appealing about it.

[00:10:21] So yeah, I just started that.

[00:10:24] I'm not too deep into it yet.

[00:10:25] I think, yeah, it's just like one episode.

[00:10:28] I'm trying to figure out how I am six episodes

[00:10:31] into three body problems.

[00:10:33] I've got two more to go.

[00:10:34] Oh, wow, you are like trudging through it.

[00:10:37] And yeah, it takes a certain mental and energy to

[00:10:42] to go through that.

[00:10:43] So I mean, and it also the thing is the last few episodes,

[00:10:48] it slows down.

[00:10:50] Like I feel like the climax in terms of story telling.

[00:10:55] In plot and narrative like plot

[00:10:59] in terms of driving forward is around episode five.

[00:11:02] And then it really slows down.

[00:11:05] And then it's kind of setting things up for the next season.

[00:11:08] So I actually have issues with the pacing,

[00:11:11] but wow, it's been a while.

[00:11:14] I mean, we were talking about three body problem last time.

[00:11:16] Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, you know,

[00:11:19] I go away from it, come back to it, you know, whatever.

[00:11:23] You know, I watch things that whatever my mood pertains.

[00:11:27] Like today while I was doing chores,

[00:11:29] I was watching some Babylon 5.

[00:11:31] So, you know, it just depends on whether.

[00:11:36] So here's my thought on three body problem

[00:11:38] is that I actually need to pay attention.

[00:11:40] Like I have to I have to be like present for it

[00:11:45] and be willing to sit there and engage

[00:11:48] solidly for the time.

[00:11:51] And so that's that's a problem with that show.

[00:11:54] It's not like frivolous and like if I miss something,

[00:11:58] you know, it's not no big deal like in, you know, dead boys,

[00:12:01] detective agency or whatever.

[00:12:03] But you know, is that how you are or Star Trek 2?

[00:12:05] You're just like multitasking usually?

[00:12:09] No. So I mean, I've

[00:12:11] well, I've been watching the episodes at least twice

[00:12:15] on the once on the screener and once on the

[00:12:19] Paramount Plus once Paramount Plus.

[00:12:22] Yes. So there's that.

[00:12:24] Yeah.

[00:12:26] Yeah, because, you know, we don't have the closed captioning.

[00:12:29] So that's really helpful to catch up on like little details.

[00:12:34] And yeah.

[00:12:37] And yeah.

[00:12:38] And actually now that we can we can sort of segue

[00:12:40] into Star Trek Discovery a little bit,

[00:12:43] I am really enjoying this season.

[00:12:45] So I'm sort of like really engaged with it.

[00:12:49] And yeah.

[00:12:51] Yeah, we are we talking about news too?

[00:12:53] Or we're just going to.

[00:12:54] Oh, oh, yeah, I guess.

[00:12:56] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[00:12:57] All right. So yeah, let's talk about the couple of news things that

[00:13:02] came up.

[00:13:04] The big one I think everyone on the internet is disappointed with

[00:13:08] is that Lower Dex was is canceled after five seasons.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:14] You were definitely more surprised about it than I was only

[00:13:18] because I read interviews.

[00:13:21] So my man had already been kind of dropping.

[00:13:25] I think she was dropping reservations back last fall,

[00:13:30] that whether or not it was even going to be more than five seasons.

[00:13:34] So yeah, I was already kind of like mentally like, OK,

[00:13:37] like it might be five seasons might just be a thing.

[00:13:40] So I think when you saw the news, you were much,

[00:13:43] you're much angrier and I had already been like, you know, this is this.

[00:13:47] This is how I was angry.

[00:13:48] Yeah, I was definitely angry about this.

[00:13:52] Yeah, that's just not surprise.

[00:13:54] I think of all the turmoil at Paramount Plus is Paramount Plus

[00:13:59] even still going to rather paramount is Paramount Plus

[00:14:02] even going to still be a thing?

[00:14:04] But you know, like there's so much uncertainty with Paramount.

[00:14:08] I just think that wherever they can cut money, they are.

[00:14:13] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I know it's a business

[00:14:17] and I just think it sucks because I think it's one of the.

[00:14:21] Best parts about our Star Trek franchise right now is Lower Decks.

[00:14:25] I mean, it's you know,

[00:14:28] it's been around.

[00:14:29] I mean, this it's been around for four years.

[00:14:31] It's coming up on its fifth anniversary and

[00:14:34] it's just a really enjoyable

[00:14:40] piece that you can just jump into any episode.

[00:14:42] Like you could just pick a random episode and just watch it and enjoy.

[00:14:45] And it's got very much that kind of vibe to it.

[00:14:49] Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I don't know.

[00:14:53] I just it's you know, it's having faith

[00:14:56] in these leaders at Paramount is just really challenging.

[00:15:02] Well, you know, they are their CEO, right?

[00:15:04] So there's no CEO right now.

[00:15:07] Oh, yeah, I did.

[00:15:09] Yeah, I mean, he got 50 million dollars.

[00:15:11] I mean, yes, he did.

[00:15:13] I got a little girl, you know, so I'm not too worried about that person.

[00:15:19] I was. Oh, no, it's not him.

[00:15:21] I think it's more just like there's no leadership, right?

[00:15:24] There there really isn't anyone kind of steering the future at Paramount

[00:15:30] at the moment. So let alone I mean, Star Trek is one of their IPs.

[00:15:37] I don't know. You know, I feel they have bigger fish to fry

[00:15:39] if I was in the boardroom trying to figure out like, you know, what to do about the company.

[00:15:45] Yeah, sure. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's

[00:15:49] it's not a company that I would say has had strong direction to begin with.

[00:15:55] The fact that they only they don't have a CEO anymore really

[00:15:58] doesn't doesn't like phase me in the lease.

[00:16:03] But I guess you sent me the you sent me the link that the talk said

[00:16:08] or you sent me a thing that said the talks had broken down.

[00:16:12] Shocking that broke down as well.

[00:16:15] I mean, all of these things just point to really poor leadership on

[00:16:22] on their part, you know, it's I think it's an overall thing.

[00:16:25] I mean, I wish there was a way for Star Trek to be spun out onto its own entity

[00:16:30] and or, you know, some well, they sell if they sell the IP for parts

[00:16:36] like if they sell like all Paramount's IPs and someone else may very well

[00:16:39] won't start tracking next year.

[00:16:41] Who knows? Yeah.

[00:16:43] So so yeah, it's kind of a mess.

[00:16:47] It's just hopefully we still have some stars.

[00:16:51] I mean, obviously, we know that Section 30 wants them come out

[00:16:54] some in this year, I think, right? Section 31.

[00:16:57] I mean, they just finished filming, so I don't think that they're not, you know.

[00:17:02] Yeah, I think it's a 25.

[00:17:05] And we know that we're getting Academy because I mean, hopefully

[00:17:11] but you know, they just built a big set.

[00:17:13] They spent the money.

[00:17:14] They're going to film on it.

[00:17:16] So did they build it?

[00:17:19] The very finished.

[00:17:20] That's so I don't know.

[00:17:22] Well, they did rename the studios up there as the Stratrex Studio or whatever stage.

[00:17:28] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:29] So there's that.

[00:17:31] Yeah, but I'm going back to lower decks.

[00:17:32] I am really bummed about that.

[00:17:33] And I hope that yeah, it finds another home

[00:17:39] that will keep it going.

[00:17:41] But on that same note, there is a save the date for everyone.

[00:17:46] They're encouraging everyone to stream

[00:17:49] do a stream of on a lower decks on May 25th.

[00:17:53] So I don't know what day that is.

[00:17:54] That's the Saturday, isn't it?

[00:17:56] I think.

[00:17:57] I don't know.

[00:17:58] So

[00:18:00] so hopefully, you know, maybe that will

[00:18:05] drive some attention to because you can.

[00:18:08] I mean, honestly, you can put on Paramount Plus and just hit play

[00:18:11] and like just let it keep on playing through all five season four seasons.

[00:18:16] Does Paramount Plus auto play?

[00:18:18] I don't even know.

[00:18:20] Oh, is it does it do the Netflix?

[00:18:23] Yeah, it does because if you're done, if you're at the end of a show,

[00:18:27] it'll take you to the next show in your OK.

[00:18:29] OK. Yeah.

[00:18:31] Yeah, I don't use Paramount Plus enough.

[00:18:33] I mean, obviously, I do.

[00:18:33] I watch but I don't that is just auto play.

[00:18:38] Yeah. I mean, there's not much else

[00:18:39] that I've watched on there other than Star Trek.

[00:18:41] But yeah.

[00:18:44] Yeah. Knuckles.

[00:18:47] Oh, I don't even know why knuckles it.

[00:18:49] Oh, knuckles.

[00:18:50] Oh, the Sonic Sonic Sonic thing.

[00:18:53] Spinoff. Yeah.

[00:18:54] Yeah. So all right.

[00:18:56] So let's encourage everyone to watch lower decks on May 25th.

[00:19:02] Stream that on Paramount Plus as much as you can.

[00:19:04] Leave it running all day.

[00:19:07] And yeah, let's see if that does anything.

[00:19:12] Probably won't. But I don't think.

[00:19:14] I don't like Shigemite. I don't think I'm doing it.

[00:19:16] Yeah, I know.

[00:19:17] Well, we'll give a lot of ad revenue to some someone.

[00:19:22] Someone. So maybe.

[00:19:26] Well, you know, you pay for you pay for Paramount Plus

[00:19:28] so you don't even see ads.

[00:19:31] Don't buy. Don't you?

[00:19:32] Do you? I don't think so.

[00:19:34] No, aren't you paying?

[00:19:35] Don't you have the ad free level?

[00:19:38] I mean, I have the I have the annual subscription,

[00:19:41] which I'm sort of mad at the fact that I did that now that all these,

[00:19:45] you know, I should just do what everyone else does

[00:19:47] and like cancel it every couple of months

[00:19:50] when there's no new Star Trek or whatever.

[00:19:53] Yeah, you're not watching it.

[00:19:54] I mean, I guess you you have it

[00:19:56] so that you can stream the old stuff at any point.

[00:19:58] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:20:00] So that's fine.

[00:20:02] Yeah, once in a while, you know, yeah.

[00:20:04] I mean, I enjoy streaming.

[00:20:07] I mean, I did a few weeks ago.

[00:20:09] I think I started streaming season three of the cards.

[00:20:12] There's that and watch the chase.

[00:20:17] And now there's a green episode that I need to go back and watch

[00:20:20] from season nine.

[00:20:23] There are like a bunch of episodes

[00:20:25] where the green kind of show up after they.

[00:20:27] Yeah, there's one that they, you know,

[00:20:29] they popped into their Instagram feed or whatever.

[00:20:32] Oh, OK. Well, there was that one I recall where it was like

[00:20:37] it was then they discovered that Mar-Talk was imprisoned or something like that.

[00:20:41] And then there was a green in the prison.

[00:20:43] Do you want to get on time?

[00:20:45] I mean, it's been a while.

[00:20:46] So I need to go back on track sports right now.

[00:20:52] I just don't remember all this shit.

[00:20:54] Oh, yeah, no, no, no.

[00:20:56] Yeah. And speaking of which is why I have my iPad here open

[00:21:00] to all the pages for the day,

[00:21:03] the episodes that we're about to talk about. Right.

[00:21:06] Oh, yeah, I wouldn't remember anything. Oh my God.

[00:21:10] You know, just sliding into discovery.

[00:21:13] I wish they would just put the titles on the episodes on like.

[00:21:17] You know, after the title slide for search discovery and then

[00:21:22] like the card season three did or yes, what Lordex does.

[00:21:26] Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:28] I wish they would just there's a place there for because then

[00:21:31] then when the discovery swoops in swoops into the frame and then out of the frame,

[00:21:36] they show the writers and the doctor.

[00:21:38] So why not just put the title in there at the same time?

[00:21:43] I don't get it.

[00:21:44] It's just not something they have adopted for no.

[00:21:49] Most of the new series in inexplicable reasons.

[00:21:53] Oh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[00:21:56] I mean, I think it's like how like enterprise

[00:22:00] tried to decide to not have Star Trek in it for the first two seasons.

[00:22:05] Oh, yeah. You know, I think that's like they're trying to accept a way.

[00:22:10] Except stupid or stupid.

[00:22:12] Yeah. Oh, and then did you see them?

[00:22:15] Michelle, you get the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[00:22:18] I did. I did see that.

[00:22:21] Along with Matthew Shepard's mom, which is really awesome.

[00:22:27] Who's that?

[00:22:28] Matthew Shepard was the boy who was killed in Montana 25 years ago.

[00:22:35] He's one of the first high profile, like.

[00:22:39] She is so the Matthew Shepard Foundation.

[00:22:41] She founded the Matthew Shepard Foundation.

[00:22:44] Oh, OK, this sounds like it now.

[00:22:47] Yeah. So.

[00:22:51] Cool. Yeah. So she also got it.

[00:22:52] But our queen, Michelle Yeo also received it as well.

[00:22:58] So kudos to her.

[00:23:02] And was there any other major news?

[00:23:04] I'm trying to think if there's anything else.

[00:23:05] So I mean, the big thing was Lower Decks for me.

[00:23:08] I mean, I can't think of anything.

[00:23:09] I think that was the biggest news item.

[00:23:11] I don't think any of the power of stuff is like new news.

[00:23:14] It's more status quo.

[00:23:18] Status quo of this shit show.

[00:23:20] Yeah. Essentially.

[00:23:22] Yeah. That is paramount, not that is Star Trek Discovery.

[00:23:25] That's not what I'm saying. So yeah.

[00:23:29] Yes. Well, yes.

[00:23:31] Shall we talk about some Star Trek episodes?

[00:23:34] Because we have we have so many to cover.

[00:23:36] Yes, there's so behind.

[00:23:39] We do.

[00:23:42] So let's first talk about Episode 3, Janal.

[00:23:46] What did you think of Janal?

[00:23:50] I thought Janal was fine.

[00:23:51] It wasn't my favorite episode.

[00:23:53] It was like I felt that like a lot of it actually.

[00:23:56] So I don't I didn't love episodes two and three

[00:24:00] because they both felt very similar.

[00:24:02] I think that we remember what you thought about Episode 2,

[00:24:07] the one with like Sirulid Michael on the planet.

[00:24:09] And they're like, you know, trying to get it off.

[00:24:12] Yeah, this is very similar.

[00:24:13] There's a whole sequence of like just it was Michael and Buck

[00:24:15] who tried not to get below.

[00:24:16] It was almost exactly the same

[00:24:18] except they were in a storm quarry versus like a forest.

[00:24:20] It was like this is literally like the same episode.

[00:24:24] And it's literally another like chase after the peace.

[00:24:27] Or you know, it was just like it was fine.

[00:24:30] Trills very boring as a location.

[00:24:32] Like it's just like I wish they did something different.

[00:24:35] It's like, OK, it's the cave in Stone Corrie again.

[00:24:37] We've seen this before.

[00:24:38] Like it's just like not very like interesting.

[00:24:42] I think plot wise.

[00:24:43] I mean, there are a few things that were cool.

[00:24:44] Like, you know, I think that the highlight for me

[00:24:47] in the episode was probably Colbert.

[00:24:50] And I think that he did a great job, just kind of like, you know,

[00:24:54] his whole Gentaro experience.

[00:24:56] I thought that was I thought that was like the best part.

[00:25:00] The rest of the episode, I was just like whatever.

[00:25:03] It was it's very like this.

[00:25:05] It felt like a repeat of the previous episode for me in many ways.

[00:25:10] And then we were talking about this before we started recording.

[00:25:13] But the Adira.

[00:25:16] Oh, my God. The Adira and Gray breakup.

[00:25:19] It was just like whatever they just had to it was very just

[00:25:23] they had to do it.

[00:25:24] It was a checkbox.

[00:25:25] It was like, OK, we resolve that now.

[00:25:28] You know, the relationship is over.

[00:25:29] It's like almost like.

[00:25:32] Like it was like margin better than if I was in comparison.

[00:25:37] Neelix and Cass breaking up.

[00:25:38] It's like, OK, it kind of happened.

[00:25:40] We've moved on.

[00:25:41] They're taking other people now, you know, like it's just like

[00:25:45] I just feel great.

[00:25:46] Never really had a purpose on the show other than being an extension of Adira.

[00:25:51] And I'm going to repeat myself.

[00:25:54] They made a big PR announcement.

[00:25:55] Oh, you're transgender person.

[00:25:58] And it was just like whatever.

[00:26:00] And it's just like it's fine.

[00:26:02] You know, I just think.

[00:26:05] Checkbox checked, you know, we're done.

[00:26:08] It's over.

[00:26:09] That relationship has ended and we can move on for our lives.

[00:26:12] You know, it's just whatever.

[00:26:14] It was like it was a thought.

[00:26:15] It was not the best episode for me.

[00:26:17] It was fine.

[00:26:19] Some highlights, mostly low lights.

[00:26:23] I've moved on.

[00:26:25] So that's my TLTR for the episode.

[00:26:27] What did you think, Mike?

[00:26:29] What did you think?

[00:26:30] Well, I I did not think about it as a repeat of the previous episode.

[00:26:35] But now that you say that, I can totally see how that is.

[00:26:39] But I mean, honestly, Wilson Cruz's portrayal of Janal

[00:26:43] and that whole experience, I think was definitely the best part about that episode.

[00:26:48] Yes.

[00:26:49] Hands down, you know, it was.

[00:26:52] And, you know, to the, you know, he did an amazing job with it

[00:26:55] just from everything about just that you could tell that he was playing

[00:27:00] a different character like just major acting chops were shown there.

[00:27:06] And from the behind the scenes stuff that I've heard about and read

[00:27:11] like they were loving it.

[00:27:13] So the other the rest of the cast and whatnot.

[00:27:16] So really kudos to him for that,

[00:27:20] because that was the most enjoyable part.

[00:27:22] I think absolutely. Yeah.

[00:27:23] We've we've seen we've obviously seen this experience in Deep

[00:27:28] Sace Nine, which is also a really memorable and really well done episode.

[00:27:33] Very good.

[00:27:34] And yeah, all the actors did a great job portraying

[00:27:38] other people, other cells.

[00:27:39] Yes. Yeah, exactly.

[00:27:41] So he he joins that cadre of really great actors

[00:27:48] and portraying that trill takeover of spirit and mind.

[00:27:53] But and I also really like and this is again, it ties back to I think we've

[00:27:58] we've talked about this before, just our love of Deep Sace Nine

[00:28:00] and the spiritual aspect of it.

[00:28:02] I think that the questions that came out of this and go through

[00:28:06] the next several episodes with Culver about spirituality and everything

[00:28:11] is really great to see.

[00:28:13] It's really especially given what Culver has been through.

[00:28:20] Right, it makes sense.

[00:28:21] So I mean, I was interested because he was like,

[00:28:24] oh, there's really no scientific kind of explanation for the Jintar ritual.

[00:28:30] But I thought that was interesting because how many times has another

[00:28:33] consciousness basically possessed or taken over, you know, someone else's body?

[00:28:40] It happens every series, potentially once a season, you know,

[00:28:44] like that there's no scientific explanation for how that happens

[00:28:48] or how trans sort of consciousness happens.

[00:28:50] Like even having a project most recently, like Janeway and Dow like switch body,

[00:28:54] you know, like these are all potentially what you might call

[00:28:57] like spiritual experiences or soul switching or conscious switching.

[00:29:01] You know, like I'm using soul and consciousness very interchangeably.

[00:29:05] They're not the same thing.

[00:29:06] But it's just like, oh, it's what there's no scientific explanation

[00:29:09] for how this happens, like at all at any point ever or right.

[00:29:13] I don't know, you know, like it's kind of odd that I thought it was

[00:29:17] it's odd that his his reaction was like,

[00:29:22] I don't have a scientific explanation for it.

[00:29:24] It just happens so frequently that it just it's almost like

[00:29:28] I feel as though it's disturbing that if there's no scientific explanation

[00:29:31] for when it happens outside of Chintara, you know, outside

[00:29:35] it's not just in Tara.

[00:29:35] It happens so frequently.

[00:29:37] Right. Yeah.

[00:29:38] I mean, Chintara is like process.

[00:29:42] Like it's a there's, you know, there is a ritual to it.

[00:29:46] You know, there's a process.

[00:29:47] Yeah.

[00:29:48] But, you know, we've had plenty of non-caporial beings

[00:29:51] floating out there, which you could go if you want to see us or in a way,

[00:29:55] right? Like they are ghosts and, you know, it's a disembodied consciousness.

[00:30:00] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:30:00] You know, like the because they sometimes skirt the line between science

[00:30:05] and, you know, spirituality and magic, right?

[00:30:08] You can you can say it that way.

[00:30:10] I don't know.

[00:30:10] I just like raise some questions for me, which I haven't.

[00:30:13] I'm now processing out loud, but it's I don't know.

[00:30:17] You know, I thought that was an interesting observation.

[00:30:20] Yeah, I mean, but so yeah, I agree.

[00:30:24] It's a good point that it's done in all all the series of Star Trek.

[00:30:29] But I thought I had another thought about this episode, too.

[00:30:32] And about the whole quarry scene.

[00:30:35] I think that that's actually the quarry scene.

[00:30:37] The quarry scene.

[00:30:38] That's actually for me when it I think from my perspective,

[00:30:43] the the characters got that this is meant to be a challenge,

[00:30:47] like that this is not like something they're just going to be handed to

[00:30:50] because of who they are.

[00:30:51] Like they have to work through these things and figure them out.

[00:30:55] And I kind of like this.

[00:30:57] It's not a it doesn't feel like a puzzle box to me.

[00:30:59] It just feels like a kind of like an Indiana Jones is the best,

[00:31:04] I think, example of this adventure for this.

[00:31:07] And although you get at times this as we'll talk about in the next episode,

[00:31:12] this perspective of what happens if they don't find it or someone else finds it.

[00:31:19] You know, I think that it just it.

[00:31:23] For me, it makes this season kind of fun and exciting and different.

[00:31:27] And it's nice to not have the Discovery crew being

[00:31:31] running around trying to save the galaxy, although somewhat they are.

[00:31:35] But, you know, we can't.

[00:31:37] And of course, my phone needs to lead every away mission.

[00:31:40] But that's yes.

[00:31:41] Yes, she is the captain.

[00:31:44] But again, very much a reversal of protocol.

[00:31:49] But right.

[00:31:50] Well, yeah, of protocol during TNG or more TNG.

[00:31:55] I'm trying to think like.

[00:31:57] Archer always did it.

[00:31:58] The Turco is that it she's front, you know, Michael is from the 22nd century.

[00:32:03] So it's sort of that carry on of that spirit like the captain does it.

[00:32:08] Even Rainer is like that.

[00:32:11] Rainer is absolutely that kind of captain as well.

[00:32:15] You know, so.

[00:32:17] Yeah, I'm not trying to think I'm trying to think of how much sense

[00:32:20] it really makes practically speaking, you know, but yeah, fine.

[00:32:25] No, yeah.

[00:32:25] I mean, it is not always the best policy, I guess.

[00:32:29] Yeah, I'm trying military and, you know, naval policy.

[00:32:32] You wouldn't have a captain.

[00:32:34] That's a good.

[00:32:35] Yeah, I don't know every mission that doesn't really sense.

[00:32:39] Yeah, but it's fine.

[00:32:42] But, you know, I like this that they're changing up the crewing of this.

[00:32:47] And so I will mention it here.

[00:32:52] I don't know where in this season it's happened.

[00:32:54] Oh, wait. Wasn't this also the episode we had Saru and Trina having issues?

[00:33:00] Like what's it?

[00:33:01] Oh, I said, I probably.

[00:33:03] Oh my God.

[00:33:03] OK, it was like such an afterthought.

[00:33:07] Like it was just like this is the episode where there are a lot of little pieces.

[00:33:11] There were like five.

[00:33:12] Yeah, there were like five plots going on.

[00:33:14] And I was just like, it was a mess.

[00:33:15] I thought it was a mess because of that they were trying to do too much.

[00:33:19] And oh yeah, we didn't even talk about Rainer.

[00:33:21] This is the episode where Rainer was giving everyone like, you know,

[00:33:25] like 20 words to kind of describe themselves.

[00:33:27] You have right.

[00:33:28] There's too much going on.

[00:33:29] There's way too much going on.

[00:33:30] The Saru thing was a total afterthought and it just felt very

[00:33:35] disconquerous with everything else going on.

[00:33:39] And then we don't say Saru for like three episodes afterwards.

[00:33:41] I was like, what happened?

[00:33:42] I mean, Dr.

[00:33:42] Jones might be busy or something.

[00:33:44] It just felt he's off to discovery.

[00:33:46] He's like doing his own thing now, but they didn't do any.

[00:33:49] They didn't even make an effort to kind of tie his story into what was going on.

[00:33:54] It was way too much.

[00:33:55] It was way too much.

[00:33:57] It was a lot of subplots.

[00:34:00] Yeah, it was.

[00:34:01] It was a very.

[00:34:04] It was all over the place, literally all over the place.

[00:34:08] Yeah, I mean, really they were, you know, that's true.

[00:34:11] So usually like this is the ABCDE.

[00:34:16] I forgot.

[00:34:17] I forgot the Rainer piece of this.

[00:34:19] Rainer is, you know, coming off as a as an asshole in this episode.

[00:34:23] Right.

[00:34:25] You know, so yes, he is.

[00:34:29] You know, he does good.

[00:34:31] He has a good one with a Tilly.

[00:34:33] I was like, OK.

[00:34:34] Yeah, no, you know, as far as that goes, Tilly is the best part of that.

[00:34:37] Like I at this point in this season, I still don't like him.

[00:34:41] Like I just don't like him.

[00:34:44] I think it gets better in the next episode.

[00:34:47] It gets better, yes.

[00:34:48] But in this episode, I did not like him.

[00:34:51] I was like, you're a jerk.

[00:34:53] Of course, he was made to be a total bully.

[00:34:56] Oh, yeah.

[00:34:56] You don't like bullies.

[00:34:57] You get to like.

[00:34:57] Oh, yeah, I do not.

[00:34:58] I do not like bullies at all.

[00:35:00] Yeah, but I'm super happy that Tilly stood up to him.

[00:35:03] Oh, yeah.

[00:35:03] Super happy, which is funny, though, because Dennis has admitted

[00:35:07] that he was a bully in school.

[00:35:10] Yes, he was a bully.

[00:35:12] But I can totally see.

[00:35:13] Yeah, you know, Dennis being my partner.

[00:35:15] Dennis, yes, your partner.

[00:35:17] No, yes, I'm talking for the others in the room listening.

[00:35:21] Yes, yes.

[00:35:23] We've talked about that as we've talked about that before.

[00:35:25] Yeah, yes, you have said that.

[00:35:28] Yes, so there's that.

[00:35:29] There's this a routine there.

[00:35:31] Yeah, there's the Adira Adira.

[00:35:33] And you know what?

[00:35:34] You know, it was, you know, it was a it was a fine tie off of that.

[00:35:39] But of box.

[00:35:41] Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly.

[00:35:42] Yeah.

[00:35:43] And we don't, you know, having now that we're up to episode six,

[00:35:49] you know, that was sort of the last bit of Saru and Terina for now.

[00:35:54] Yeah, I'm like, are they going to come back?

[00:35:56] Are we going to get a wedding?

[00:35:57] Oh, so here's here's the other thing.

[00:35:59] And I don't know if it's this episode or where it falls into these

[00:36:02] episodes, but, you know, I'm I love that we have like the core cast.

[00:36:08] Um, or cast.

[00:36:09] When you talk about the core core C or E core.

[00:36:13] Oh, I was like the web.

[00:36:14] There is no, no, no, the core cast and they're there.

[00:36:19] They're having stuff to do.

[00:36:21] What I am not liking as we move further into the season is the

[00:36:27] although next episode is a different story, but we we are losing the bridge crew.

[00:36:33] Like suddenly we, you know, by episode five.

[00:36:36] I don't even know where Depp Muren or Zacran are.

[00:36:39] They're going, they're going.

[00:36:40] No. Yeah.

[00:36:42] So they're like, they're driving.

[00:36:44] They're driving the IAS Enterprise back to the

[00:36:48] original headquarters.

[00:36:48] That's going to take like two years.

[00:36:50] Probably.

[00:36:52] Yeah.

[00:36:52] So that's one of the things I love having Tilly back.

[00:36:56] And you know, I love that all the core cast who's on the opening

[00:37:00] opening of the show are there.

[00:37:02] There is even, I think this is the episode where there's even this

[00:37:05] little scene between Reno and Stamets about like, don't you know what's going to happen?

[00:37:12] She's going down there.

[00:37:13] She's going to see her boyfriend or a partner and they're going to

[00:37:18] are not sure they're going to see their partner.

[00:37:24] Sorry, I misgendered Adira there.

[00:37:29] They're going to see their partner and it's just not going to be good news.

[00:37:32] And Jet is telling Paul this in the engineering and Paul's like,

[00:37:37] completely unaware, which is pretty, pretty, so unaware of things.

[00:37:42] Yes.

[00:37:42] He's pretty.

[00:37:43] No, they're fine.

[00:37:45] Yes.

[00:37:46] Yes.

[00:37:46] He's so unaware.

[00:37:47] He's like the he's like the parent who thinks everything is just fine and

[00:37:52] dandy and Culber is like the person in the trenches who is like, who if he

[00:37:59] wasn't going through his own stuff would be like, what's going on with you?

[00:38:04] Right.

[00:38:04] So anyway, so there's that piece.

[00:38:07] But getting back to my whole point, I'm missing the bridge for, I mean,

[00:38:11] we do get to see them back and we'll talk about it in a moment in the next episode.

[00:38:16] But any other final thoughts on Janelle?

[00:38:18] We should probably keep this rolling.

[00:38:19] And I will be here.

[00:38:20] I know.

[00:38:20] I feel like there's so much in this, there's too much and yet too

[00:38:24] little in this particular episode.

[00:38:26] Yeah.

[00:38:26] There's plenty of us to talk about.

[00:38:28] So let's keep on going.

[00:38:29] Yeah.

[00:38:29] Okay.

[00:38:30] So next episode, face the strange.

[00:38:33] So.

[00:38:33] Such a good episode.

[00:38:34] I love this episode.

[00:38:35] Oh, okay.

[00:38:37] Yeah.

[00:38:37] Wow.

[00:38:38] Well, do tell.

[00:38:39] Do share.

[00:38:39] Well, it was a very.

[00:38:41] Okay.

[00:38:41] So, you know, I love Tommy Wine episodes when it's done well.

[00:38:46] Like I think that I'm sure this is weeks later.

[00:38:49] So I'm sure some of our listeners or all three of them have probably

[00:38:54] heard the comparison to shattered, which is a, which was a

[00:38:59] Voyager episode season six and seven episode.

[00:39:02] I remember where do you know I'm talking about?

[00:39:05] No, I do not.

[00:39:06] Oh, it's the one where Chacote basically the Voyager goes

[00:39:11] through some sort of suspects distortion temporal anomaly

[00:39:14] field.

[00:39:16] Oh my word.

[00:39:17] And it gets broken up into different temporal pieces.

[00:39:22] So each part of the Voyager has, it's a different moment in time.

[00:39:27] Is this the one where Harry Kim dies and is replaced with his

[00:39:31] alternate universe version of Harry Kim?

[00:39:33] No, that's deadlocked in season one.

[00:39:36] That happened quite a while ago.

[00:39:39] That's not season one.

[00:39:40] No, that's not season one.

[00:39:41] It's season one or two.

[00:39:42] Sorry.

[00:39:43] Season one, two.

[00:39:44] It's super early.

[00:39:45] But this one was like season five, season six, maybe even

[00:39:49] season seven.

[00:39:49] I don't remember, but literally you have one part, the cargo bay is

[00:39:55] stuck in season three and seven is still Borg.

[00:39:59] And then you have Sesca, she's around and she, she's back.

[00:40:04] And she, you know, she realizes that something's going on.

[00:40:09] And Janeway is like season one, Janeway, and she doesn't even know

[00:40:14] about what's, you know, what's going to happen to the crew.

[00:40:17] So it's just, and Chacote is the only one for some reason that is

[00:40:23] able to, he remembers everything and he's able to pass through

[00:40:27] each of these temporal regions on Voyager unaffected.

[00:40:31] So anyway, it's very similar to that episode.

[00:40:34] And also it reminded me of relativity as well.

[00:40:37] The one where Southern is taken on board the US.

[00:40:40] Oh, Japan.

[00:40:42] And she's jumping around time and she was like on Voyager

[00:40:45] before it's out of space stock.

[00:40:46] And like, you know, like some of these episodes that have been

[00:40:49] done well with like Tommy Weineyship, I love it.

[00:40:54] It's just fun.

[00:40:55] You get callbacks, Easter eggs.

[00:40:58] It's like there's a lot, you know, a lot, lots happened on the

[00:41:03] USS Discovery.

[00:41:04] This crew has been through a lot.

[00:41:06] Mike was been through this journey.

[00:41:07] I thought that the whole scene with her fighting herself was

[00:41:11] so well choreographed.

[00:41:13] It's done so well.

[00:41:14] Oh, yeah.

[00:41:15] Very seamless.

[00:41:16] I was like, this is a lot of work.

[00:41:17] It had to plan every shot.

[00:41:18] Like it was like done very, very well.

[00:41:21] Like, you know, for sure.

[00:41:23] And and yeah, like, you know, all these callbacks, you're

[00:41:26] like the Red Angel, whatever the Red Angel control and

[00:41:33] Osirah, you know, whatever it was, it was just done so well.

[00:41:39] So I.

[00:41:40] Well, my favorite part was the Arian part.

[00:41:42] And Oh, area.

[00:41:44] Yes.

[00:41:44] So yes, so good to see the original Bridge Crew with the

[00:41:49] Arian.

[00:41:50] You old uniforms, old uniforms uniforms.

[00:41:53] Yeah.

[00:41:53] Brought those out of storage.

[00:41:55] Dust it goes off and put those back on.

[00:41:57] They still fit, I guess.

[00:41:58] I guess so.

[00:42:00] But no, the Arian, the Arian part was great because

[00:42:05] I think it's been a while since I've talked about that

[00:42:08] area episode back in season three was wait, season two.

[00:42:12] Sorry.

[00:42:12] Season two was so good.

[00:42:15] But break all back.

[00:42:18] Yeah, no, it was it was it was good.

[00:42:20] I just I just like really enjoyed it.

[00:42:22] And yes, we get some, you know, it was also like it was

[00:42:28] an whole episode where Michael and Rainer got to work

[00:42:30] out the differences and learn to work together.

[00:42:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:42:34] I was just about to say that.

[00:42:35] Yeah.

[00:42:36] So it was also like life lessons learned, you know.

[00:42:41] Yeah.

[00:42:41] And then kind of I know his the previous episode

[00:42:44] information comes into usefulness when he's being

[00:42:49] when Rainer and Sam is doing engineering

[00:42:52] and they're being held hostage by Michael and Reese.

[00:42:55] And he says that was annoying.

[00:42:57] OK, the only thing that's only so my only nitpick is

[00:43:01] Michael needs to go to the bridge

[00:43:03] and convince everyone in like two minutes

[00:43:05] that she's from the future.

[00:43:07] I'm like, maybe just show them your combat

[00:43:09] because it's like, oh, you heard this is weird technology.

[00:43:12] Instead of just trying to convince everyone, like, you know,

[00:43:14] through like conversations like, oh my God, just, you know,

[00:43:16] at least show them something like, you know, and then show it in

[00:43:19] Aram season, eventually.

[00:43:21] It sounds cool to know, but why not start with that?

[00:43:24] Being from the future.

[00:43:26] Look at my technology.

[00:43:27] I can like make a phaser come out nowhere.

[00:43:30] And also when they're in engineering, Sam, it could be like,

[00:43:33] do you see this like treacherous and weird looking thing

[00:43:37] that's like in the console?

[00:43:38] I need to do something about this.

[00:43:39] Do you want to say about this?

[00:43:40] They don't even try showing like, oh, there is like this like weird

[00:43:44] spider like doing shit in your engineering, you know, right,

[00:43:49] right, you know, in the engineering conduit or whatever.

[00:43:51] You know what I mean?

[00:43:52] I bought that, though, because this Mike this version of Michael

[00:43:55] is super headstrong, super just mad at the universe and doesn't

[00:44:02] write, but will not listen to the scientists show

[00:44:05] something empirical that she can actually see.

[00:44:07] Yeah, she's a scientist.

[00:44:08] She can be reasoned with still like she's a she's a you know,

[00:44:12] I don't know what I'm like.

[00:44:13] What is she? Yeah, at least show her something.

[00:44:16] At least show her something that she can see and measure, right?

[00:44:18] Yeah. And not just try to appeal to her feelings like, you know,

[00:44:21] especially, you know, I mean, I'm just trying to think

[00:44:23] because she should be logical.

[00:44:24] Yes, she's gone through this trauma of kind of like having

[00:44:27] done something bad, but her broken mind would be like,

[00:44:30] what the fuck is that, you know, like at least start there.

[00:44:33] That'll take 30 seconds if it doesn't work or 10 seconds.

[00:44:36] Even if it doesn't work, move on to your plan B,

[00:44:38] which is to talk her into it, you know, I'm just like, OK,

[00:44:42] you heard of a short cut.

[00:44:44] You literally have like two minutes, you know, like do something,

[00:44:48] do something. So I got you.

[00:44:50] OK, that means my one nitpick about this episode.

[00:44:53] OK, well, I mean, one pick that's not bad for how I'm usually

[00:44:58] for you for you.

[00:45:00] Many notes, many notes, a lot of feedback.

[00:45:03] But anyway, yes, I'm in.

[00:45:06] I'm done talking. You go.

[00:45:09] You can kind of mention.

[00:45:10] I mean, I enjoyed the episode, too.

[00:45:12] I, you know, I was super impressed with how they did

[00:45:17] the choreographed scenes with with her double and, you know,

[00:45:23] and it really looked like Burnham from season one or whatever.

[00:45:27] Oh, yeah, the hair.

[00:45:29] That's a good idea.

[00:45:30] It was just it was so throwback.

[00:45:33] How are they? I was like, how are they doing this?

[00:45:36] How do they do this hair and makeup?

[00:45:38] I mean, yeah, no.

[00:45:39] So, yeah, huge props to hair and makeup for this job.

[00:45:43] And then them fighting, you know, huge, huge.

[00:45:46] Yeah, I mean, really, I mean, yeah, as far as the Burnham

[00:45:50] on Burnham, Burnham versus Burnham pieces,

[00:45:54] I thought we're so well done.

[00:45:56] Just so well done.

[00:45:58] Yeah, and just, yeah.

[00:46:01] Oh, one other nitpick.

[00:46:03] No one said anything about uniforms

[00:46:06] other than the space being like, you look good in red.

[00:46:09] I'm like, but wait, what about the captain's pipsome

[00:46:13] or something, which I didn't I don't even see the regular pips on them.

[00:46:16] I don't even know how you recognize it.

[00:46:17] It's on their combats now.

[00:46:19] Oh, it's on the comb.

[00:46:19] OK, but I don't even I only look there.

[00:46:22] But then also partially under the chin,

[00:46:25] there's some differences with the other thing.

[00:46:28] But it's also like you're wearing complete uniform.

[00:46:30] What is this? You know, yeah, I could have used like one or two comments

[00:46:34] about what is this uniform, bitch?

[00:46:36] You know, yeah, yeah.

[00:46:38] Yep. No, that's you look at a place.

[00:46:41] Even even Reno didn't even really

[00:46:44] or she made a comment about it or something, I thought.

[00:46:47] But I thought she was just like, oh, who are you?

[00:46:52] And then he Rainer was kind of just like, oh, I'm part time.

[00:46:56] I'm part of her.

[00:46:57] Something, yeah, like, OK.

[00:46:59] Yeah.

[00:47:02] Yeah, I mean, it was great to see Reno again.

[00:47:04] I really enjoy that character and I know she's never gotten enough to do.

[00:47:10] But you know, she's good.

[00:47:12] It's a you know, it's a guest starring role for her.

[00:47:14] And it's just something fun to bring the attitude and, you know,

[00:47:18] because you don't get that attitude anymore

[00:47:20] because Stamets is like, oh, woo, woo now.

[00:47:23] And like I'm happy.

[00:47:25] So there's no one to bring like bring the grouch.

[00:47:30] Yeah, no, I I enjoyed the episode too.

[00:47:34] Yeah, you know, it felt appropriately.

[00:47:40] Yeah, it was just a really well done time travel episode.

[00:47:43] Like this stakes felt real throughout the episode.

[00:47:47] Right.

[00:47:48] And including when she when she and Rainer jumped to the future

[00:47:52] for a feature and they see the destroyed Federation headquarters,

[00:47:57] which I'm like, if that's destroyed, how is discovery in one piece?

[00:48:01] But anyway, I don't know.

[00:48:04] So there's that bit.

[00:48:05] But I also felt like it was almost a callback to the short

[00:48:08] trucks episode a little bit.

[00:48:10] Oh, yes, so yeah, it kind of was giving us those vibes.

[00:48:16] But we will never we'll never know.

[00:48:19] So but I you know, and it was also like 30 years in the future.

[00:48:23] So not a thousand or whatever.

[00:48:26] Whatever it was.

[00:48:27] Whatever. Well, you know, anyway, yeah, we could.

[00:48:30] It's OK. We don't need.

[00:48:31] I don't think we're ever going to reconcile it.

[00:48:33] It was a no, no, no, no, it's totally fine.

[00:48:35] It's totally fine. Yeah, it's fine.

[00:48:36] It's fine. Totally fine.

[00:48:38] So yeah, I'm yeah, overall, I really enjoyed it.

[00:48:42] I love the I love the way that the Bridge Crew treated Burnham

[00:48:48] because it was just so it was very season one.

[00:48:51] Like we don't trust you.

[00:48:53] We don't know you.

[00:48:54] Yeah, I'm near.

[00:48:55] You know, Dettmer, you know, Dettmer was on Shenzhou.

[00:48:59] So there you know, there's there's that.

[00:49:05] Yeah, so I thought it was just a really well done episode.

[00:49:08] And yeah.

[00:49:10] And suddenly we're back in the right timeline at the end of it all.

[00:49:14] And it's a big anomaly or no, they don't say that.

[00:49:18] So the next episode, but right.

[00:49:21] You know, they're like where they did my own lot go.

[00:49:23] They've disappeared from sensors. That's yeah.

[00:49:26] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:28] So yeah, just yeah, it was an enjoyable episode.

[00:49:32] That was a really surprisingly fun.

[00:49:36] And actually, I think it was it was appropriate time to take a break

[00:49:39] and have some fun with something that was a little less.

[00:49:46] I mean, it was intense, but it was a little less critical.

[00:49:49] I mean, that would be an episode that I would go back to and watch again

[00:49:53] just for the fun of the adventure of it.

[00:49:55] Yeah, yeah. So cool.

[00:50:00] Well, let's move on.

[00:50:02] Let's move on to we've already referenced it once or twice.

[00:50:05] Mirrors episode five.

[00:50:08] So we we track down that there's this anomaly

[00:50:12] or they they reveal that there's an anonymous.

[00:50:15] I can't even say anomaly.

[00:50:19] Yeah, hard word. It's a hard word.

[00:50:22] So it kind of looks like a wormhole.

[00:50:24] I don't remember exactly how they look like the wormhole.

[00:50:27] Right. But it's it's not the South Space pocket

[00:50:31] or something or interdimensional pocket, whatever.

[00:50:33] Yeah, whatever. Yeah. No Babel.

[00:50:36] Yes, whatever it is.

[00:50:38] It does look like partially like the Bajoran wormhole,

[00:50:41] but right that leads into a pocket universe.

[00:50:44] Yes, yes, yes, where where I called it.

[00:50:49] We find the enterprise, which is not exactly the enterprise.

[00:50:53] You are right on the fact that it was the ISS Enterprise.

[00:50:57] The ISS Enterprise.

[00:50:59] And so this is another like another.

[00:51:04] I mean, this is this as an A and a B plot.

[00:51:05] This is really where it's very clear.

[00:51:08] You know, it's

[00:51:10] well, maybe even a C plot, I guess,

[00:51:12] if we think about back to discovery, right?

[00:51:14] So wait, what's the A and B plot?

[00:51:16] I thought that. Oh, yeah, I know.

[00:51:18] I don't even know.

[00:51:20] Yeah, well, but we have the we have the ISS.

[00:51:22] We have we learn about the history of Malin, right?

[00:51:26] Right. That's too.

[00:51:27] We have some. Oh, OK.

[00:51:29] I kind of integrate that into the A plot because it's OK.

[00:51:32] You know, what's going on there?

[00:51:34] Yeah, they're in a half and then B.

[00:51:37] Yeah. I mean, there's a lot going on in this episode.

[00:51:39] I mean, yeah, it was

[00:51:47] I really enjoyed learning about the brain,

[00:51:49] like learning that he was that Locke is a brain.

[00:51:52] That was a shocker.

[00:51:53] I was like, I did not expect for him to be a brain.

[00:51:57] No. And I was very surprised and somewhat delighted

[00:52:01] that we've decided to kind of do that because they've been

[00:52:04] obviously very dropping.

[00:52:06] They've named name dropping the brain all season.

[00:52:08] So there's that payoff.

[00:52:12] I did get a little confused about the two faces thing

[00:52:15] because they were like, oh, every brain has two faces.

[00:52:17] I thought the helmet was actually one of their

[00:52:20] quote unquote faces because I don't think so.

[00:52:23] I think it's like the gelatin face.

[00:52:25] No, it's not. I mean, but I'm saying like when I was watching

[00:52:28] the episode, because literally we never see their face like

[00:52:32] either slimy or solid version or whatever.

[00:52:35] So I was like, oh, do they mean because I was like, oh,

[00:52:39] maybe they mean like you should the only face you ever see is a helmet

[00:52:42] is the metal face.

[00:52:44] Because that's that's the only thing anyone sees.

[00:52:47] And I thought maybe culturally, you're never supposed to get off.

[00:52:50] You know, it's like it's a banner Lorian.

[00:52:52] It's like, you know, this is your face, you know, this is your.

[00:52:54] Yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:56] You know, it was never see it ever.

[00:52:58] So that's how I interpreted and it's like, oh, like

[00:53:00] so when he moved his like the helmet or whatever you deactivated.

[00:53:05] I was kind of confused by the oh, why is it kind of translucent?

[00:53:09] And then like whatever, it was a little confusing.

[00:53:12] It wasn't they didn't really like fully flush it out other than

[00:53:15] saying like you know, every brain has two faces.

[00:53:18] So I don't know.

[00:53:20] It was until I read like an interview or something.

[00:53:23] All right. The writer, they were like, oh, yeah,

[00:53:26] brains have this slimy face and the solid face.

[00:53:28] I was like, I don't feel that was very clear.

[00:53:30] Or they really like, you know, really elaborate on it.

[00:53:33] But OK, sure.

[00:53:35] Yeah, I mean, and technically you're kind of right,

[00:53:38] because really most people only see the helmeted face.

[00:53:41] Right. Very.

[00:53:42] Yeah, I think I just want to know how to find.

[00:53:44] Oh, make sense.

[00:53:45] So there's like, there's like three faces.

[00:53:48] There is the helmet, there is the translucent face,

[00:53:51] and then there's the solid face, which you lock in.

[00:53:55] And I liked it.

[00:53:57] I like the fact that because we didn't know that

[00:54:00] lock was green all this time.

[00:54:02] No, it's a project.

[00:54:04] Yeah, so.

[00:54:07] So yeah, I.

[00:54:10] Yeah, so I think that was that was probably the most interesting

[00:54:12] part of this episode for me.

[00:54:14] Yeah, you know, I thought the enterprise was fine.

[00:54:17] It was just kind of, you know, it was a set.

[00:54:19] It was a set.

[00:54:20] So it wasn't really just sit a little bit longer, whatever.

[00:54:23] Yeah, no.

[00:54:24] I mean, the history or universe shit from it.

[00:54:26] But yeah, yeah.

[00:54:28] Yeah, I've read somewhere or like heard another podcast

[00:54:30] talk about wondering if they tried to get someone from

[00:54:35] that that from changing your worlds.

[00:54:37] And they just I think even they were trying to figure that out,

[00:54:40] but it didn't work out.

[00:54:41] Didn't work out. Yeah.

[00:54:42] So, you know, it was fine.

[00:54:44] I think one of the best things I heard in another

[00:54:47] podcast was that it could have been any.

[00:54:49] It could.

[00:54:50] It didn't have to be the enterprise.

[00:54:51] Like you could still use the enterprise sets

[00:54:54] and it didn't have to be the enterprise.

[00:54:56] Yes, it could have been the the defiant.

[00:55:00] Could have been the defiant.

[00:55:01] You know, that it could have been cool.

[00:55:03] Then it then they could have thrown in like, oh, yeah,

[00:55:06] whole she took over the ship or something, you know,

[00:55:09] like that could have been cool.

[00:55:10] Like then you have those enterprise go backs,

[00:55:12] which discovery really likes.

[00:55:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:55:17] That would have been, you know, tying it back to

[00:55:19] the whole era of darkly.

[00:55:22] Yeah. I mean, since you bring up enterprise,

[00:55:25] I do want to say like, I do feel like

[00:55:27] discovery is getting its footing this season and

[00:55:30] her enterprise, like they are getting

[00:55:32] they're getting last last season.

[00:55:34] Last season. Yeah.

[00:55:35] So we finally get here in season five

[00:55:38] and it's the last season.

[00:55:40] So I know goodbye forever.

[00:55:43] So anyway, that was, you know,

[00:55:45] that's probably not an uncommon

[00:55:49] thought these days.

[00:55:50] But anyway, so there's that

[00:55:53] you know, the book and

[00:55:56] mall thing trying to connect with her.

[00:55:58] I didn't like that none of that.

[00:56:02] This is so I think

[00:56:07] how I feel about book in this season is that

[00:56:09] I feel like they're sort of shoehorning him in

[00:56:12] and by having this connection to mall,

[00:56:14] they're like forcing that.

[00:56:16] And there I think it's really being forced a little too hard.

[00:56:20] Book in general. Yeah.

[00:56:21] Just book in general, like bring me back from

[00:56:24] this redemption.

[00:56:27] Peace, you know, which I get and I know that

[00:56:30] he's Michael's person

[00:56:33] and even though they're broken up or whatever.

[00:56:36] Oh, it doesn't know a thing from from face to

[00:56:39] strain, just like Michael and book, like having their moment.

[00:56:42] Oh, yeah.

[00:56:43] How about that moment?

[00:56:44] But I had some right residual effects in this episode.

[00:56:48] Yeah, I did.

[00:56:48] Yeah, she was she wanted to tell him about that,

[00:56:51] especially towards the end.

[00:56:53] She wanted to remember the good times that they had.

[00:56:56] She was like, it was nice.

[00:56:57] It was nice to be reminded of a simpler time.

[00:57:00] Yeah.

[00:57:01] Oh, but I feel like everything with book and mall is really like too forced.

[00:57:06] And, you know, like.

[00:57:08] I agree.

[00:57:10] Yeah, I agree.

[00:57:13] You know, yeah.

[00:57:15] So again, it's just, you know, one of those things about,

[00:57:19] you know, it's a character that people love

[00:57:21] and want to bring back to the show, which is totally fine and good.

[00:57:25] It's just forcing this relationship with mall.

[00:57:29] And then him like really trying, like thinking he can get through to her

[00:57:34] like that. I mean, you have one conversation with her

[00:57:37] and you realize that you're not going to get through to her.

[00:57:39] Like she is literally the most stubborn person in the entire universe.

[00:57:45] Literally.

[00:57:46] I don't know about that.

[00:57:47] I mean, I mean, she's been through trauma, like, you know, sure.

[00:57:51] I don't know.

[00:57:52] I don't know, literally, but metaphor.

[00:57:54] Well, I mean, sure, sure.

[00:57:57] But, you know, she, you know, she trusts no one wants no one.

[00:58:01] But she needs to go on this redemption arc.

[00:58:03] What we talked about this last time, there's only sharing art for her kind of,

[00:58:06] you know, a redemo villain, you know, like.

[00:58:11] I'm not.

[00:58:15] I yeah, no, I don't think so.

[00:58:17] Wait, wait, you think that she's not going to give you a dream?

[00:58:19] You're I don't think I don't know.

[00:58:23] I mean, I mean, it's books only family.

[00:58:27] Mike, she has to be redeemed.

[00:58:30] He can't have a tragedy. Come on.

[00:58:33] He's going to he's going to get back his sister.

[00:58:35] Like, come on, you know how this is like a break.

[00:58:39] Like really don't want to be the way I really don't come on.

[00:58:43] Give me a break. Of course. They're setting that up.

[00:58:46] I mean, they're setting it up.

[00:58:48] I mean, you don't have to like it.

[00:58:50] But oh, no, I'm not even convinced that they're going to do it based on.

[00:58:54] Yeah, I just I'm a little further ahead and I just don't believe that it's going to.

[00:59:00] I think I think all knock up or can be redeemed

[00:59:04] and then the brain in general at large are going to kind of be the end season threat.

[00:59:10] Like, I think that's what's going to happen.

[00:59:13] OK. So I mean.

[00:59:16] It would make sense.

[00:59:17] I think it makes sense for all the signposting that we're getting

[00:59:20] and all the foreshadowing, I think that makes sense.

[00:59:22] I doesn't mean that we have to like it, but I think.

[00:59:26] Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[00:59:28] I don't know. I'm not sure that I'm there with it.

[00:59:31] But all right, you want to put money on it?

[00:59:34] Witness or listeners can be witness.

[00:59:37] I'm not sure that well, anyway.

[00:59:39] Yeah. Yeah, we'll see what happens.

[00:59:43] Can't you know? Hard to say what's going to happen.

[00:59:46] How this is all going to play out or even what this progenitors.

[00:59:51] Device is going to do is it like, you know, that's the other thing.

[00:59:56] We have no idea what this device is going to do, if anything.

[01:00:02] So very convenient.

[01:00:04] That's aura like lost her memory or whatever.

[01:00:07] You can tell us more.

[01:00:09] Very convenient.

[01:00:12] Because you could have been like, they didn't ask.

[01:00:15] But if I was Michael, by the way, in in Face of Strange and there was

[01:00:20] Xora 30, I would just be like, what are the other puzzle pieces

[01:00:24] to tell us or where is the progenitor's device?

[01:00:26] You know, they didn't ask.

[01:00:28] They didn't. They didn't ask.

[01:00:29] They couldn't ask. No, they did not ask.

[01:00:31] They didn't ask because of the temporal prime directive.

[01:00:33] They can't.

[01:00:34] There was another prime directive thing.

[01:00:36] They couldn't ask her questions and that they wanted.

[01:00:40] They asked her like, what happened?

[01:00:42] They were like, what happened here?

[01:00:43] Like, you know, when they saw.

[01:00:44] Oh, and then she said she didn't remember anything.

[01:00:47] But they didn't even like probe.

[01:00:48] But then she remembered some stuff.

[01:00:50] She remembered like, oh, the brain, you know, got the weapon

[01:00:53] and like some bits and pieces, obviously.

[01:00:56] So I mean, I don't know, by the way,

[01:00:59] tell me about directive.

[01:01:00] Michael didn't really have too much an issue

[01:01:02] breaking the prime directive in like the next episode or whatever.

[01:01:05] It's like it would tell you.

[01:01:06] She didn't really break.

[01:01:07] Well, I mean, yes.

[01:01:08] What the fuck do you mean?

[01:01:10] Of course, she broke the she didn't even.

[01:01:11] She made that decision like that, like,

[01:01:13] fuck the prime directive, like any say, Tilly.

[01:01:15] I'm like, OK, that was very simple.

[01:01:18] You know what I mean?

[01:01:19] Like Michael's not one to follow the rules.

[01:01:21] We all know this.

[01:01:22] So I don't think the temporal prime directives

[01:01:24] are they going to stop Michael from any of his logic?

[01:01:27] I would the first thing I would have asked is,

[01:01:29] or do you have any idea what the other pieces are?

[01:01:32] You know, like I would have.

[01:01:33] I would just ask a question, like, especially if the federation

[01:01:38] that I hope future the federation is at stake

[01:01:39] and potentially the future of the galaxy.

[01:01:41] Come on, you know, I think that would obviously never.

[01:01:45] Whenever you're talking about like narrative stuff that you

[01:01:48] like would not, you know, it didn't wouldn't help.

[01:01:51] You know, like it's the plot is the plot.

[01:01:55] I'm just using.

[01:01:55] Yeah, I'm just saying I'm just saying like these are just like logic,

[01:02:00] like like small like logic gaps that I'm kind of like, you know,

[01:02:04] those things bug me like like, you know, plot holes, things like that.

[01:02:08] Like if you in that situation, like, you know, what would be

[01:02:10] some of the first questions you would ask or I forget how much time

[01:02:13] that they had, though, they didn't have a ton of time.

[01:02:15] They like no, no.

[01:02:16] But that's right.

[01:02:16] You know, you know, oh, you don't know.

[01:02:19] OK, cool.

[01:02:19] You know, yeah, yeah, sure.

[01:02:22] OK, download it in my combats.

[01:02:24] Give me your information, bitch.

[01:02:25] You know, whatever.

[01:02:27] OK.

[01:02:29] Anyway, oh, my word.

[01:02:33] But yeah, so it was OK.

[01:02:34] I mean, going back to mirrors.

[01:02:37] No, this is going back to mirrors.

[01:02:40] I like I liked it.

[01:02:41] I liked it.

[01:02:41] It wasn't as strong as face of strange, but I mean, there are parts of it.

[01:02:46] Like we didn't talk about like Rainer working with the crew.

[01:02:48] I feel they start to gel a little bit.

[01:02:50] And yeah, that was for me like the sea plot or whatever

[01:02:54] that actually was really, really good.

[01:02:56] Like I like felt like I started to know how to work with the crew.

[01:03:00] You know, right?

[01:03:01] And I'm like that moment share, which I thought was really cool.

[01:03:05] Like he didn't sit in the chair.

[01:03:06] Oh, he didn't?

[01:03:07] I don't know.

[01:03:08] And even they even talked about it later.

[01:03:10] He's like, you know, it's a captain's chair.

[01:03:13] Oh, so you know, whereas reset one point later,

[01:03:18] Riesel sit in the captain's chair.

[01:03:19] Oh yeah.

[01:03:20] Well, just anyone else will.

[01:03:21] Anyone else will.

[01:03:22] But.

[01:03:24] I liked OK, raise me hand.

[01:03:26] I like the moment when Rainer was like, he was just really stressed out

[01:03:31] and the Stamets was like, you told me this,

[01:03:34] but I'm going to tell you this.

[01:03:35] You're not in it alone.

[01:03:36] I was like, oh, that's so sweet.

[01:03:37] I really like that.

[01:03:38] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:03:39] I like, you know, because yeah, I think Rainer,

[01:03:41] even though he has served with Michael for a very short time,

[01:03:44] he is very, very concerned about her for whatever reason.

[01:03:46] I'm like, OK, cool.

[01:03:48] But it was just like, you know, he was really legitimate.

[01:03:50] I mean, like stressed out about the whole situation.

[01:03:52] And he was like, we've got to do something.

[01:03:55] So I appreciate that side character moment between him and Stamets.

[01:04:01] You know, there's been a little bit of commentary

[01:04:03] about how like she got the message out

[01:04:05] like to him about what was happening or like the four one for whatever.

[01:04:11] I would have to say.

[01:04:14] Sure. Yeah, that's very.

[01:04:15] Oh, man. Like.

[01:04:18] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:04:19] Other than like if you I would have not made a connection

[01:04:23] with anything like other than like maybe SOS like more food.

[01:04:29] If you were to like, oh, some random numbers.

[01:04:31] I'm like, I don't know.

[01:04:33] The other part of this episode that I really didn't like is

[01:04:35] I mean, obviously it's just these in the next episode.

[01:04:38] But you know, how Maul and Locke get away in a torque

[01:04:42] in a torpedo or something like I thought it was a shuttle or something

[01:04:45] or a skate pod. And then they like went to war.

[01:04:49] They went to war. We got to try their warp signature.

[01:04:51] I'm like, why don't you go after them?

[01:04:53] Like. I don't understand.

[01:04:56] You have a ship they have like an escape pod or shuttle at most.

[01:05:00] Right. There's no way.

[01:05:01] They can that piece of it did not.

[01:05:04] No, it didn't make any sense.

[01:05:05] And then the next episode, they were like,

[01:05:08] anyone track down their warped in a truck?

[01:05:09] I'm like, OK, literally if you went after them,

[01:05:12] I like warped to you probably could have caught up to them.

[01:05:14] So I don't really get it.

[01:05:17] Yeah, that's one of those things that, you know.

[01:05:19] Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I didn't have their fancy like, oh,

[01:05:23] like, you know, like what they did in episode one, where they like shot.

[01:05:27] Yeah, they didn't have any.

[01:05:28] You know, 20 different directions.

[01:05:31] They didn't have that this time.

[01:05:32] So I don't get it.

[01:05:33] They didn't say, oh, they also master warps in a truck.

[01:05:36] At least say they master warps in a truck.

[01:05:38] It is.

[01:05:40] I'm like, at least master warps signature.

[01:05:42] Come on. One on one.

[01:05:45] Well, apparently they rigged a took some stuff from sick bait

[01:05:48] or a life support.

[01:05:49] So I don't ever.

[01:05:52] It was yeah, that was another.

[01:05:55] I mean, I guess, you know, three minutes is a lot longer

[01:05:57] in discovery universe, where they're about to crash through the portal

[01:06:00] and they were able to build a life pod and it goes.

[01:06:04] I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

[01:06:06] I was confusing.

[01:06:07] Yeah. It was like a lot.

[01:06:09] And, you know, lock is dying.

[01:06:12] So because he's got a knife in his side.

[01:06:15] So yeah.

[01:06:21] So anyway, another plot hole, but that's fine.

[01:06:23] That's fine.

[01:06:24] Yeah, but you know, I do.

[01:06:26] Oh, the cool thing about this, I thought Michael's little trick

[01:06:30] about like the item for that distracted them.

[01:06:34] Like, oh, I was really confused, actually.

[01:06:37] I did not understand what was happening.

[01:06:40] Yeah, I didn't understand it at the time.

[01:06:41] I mean, even watching a second time, I was like, oh, she did that.

[01:06:45] No. Yeah, I knew she put like a piece of her like combat in

[01:06:48] because I rewind and rewound.

[01:06:50] And then yeah, I saw that she put her a piece of her combat

[01:06:54] into the locket and then they were like, oh, they're in sick.

[01:06:57] They there are three life signs.

[01:06:59] Right. They said they're three life signs.

[01:07:01] Yeah, they said three life signs.

[01:07:02] What was it? They're a life sign.

[01:07:03] I was wondering about that.

[01:07:05] Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

[01:07:06] And I thought it was the bio.

[01:07:07] I thought the bio was just like biological.

[01:07:10] I wonder if that was written.

[01:07:12] I wonder if that was written and there was supposed to be

[01:07:14] like a mirror universe person in there, but there wasn't.

[01:07:18] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:07:19] I think they might have missed that.

[01:07:21] It was really. Yeah, it was.

[01:07:23] Yeah, that didn't.

[01:07:24] Yeah, I was not following.

[01:07:26] I was yeah, that that didn't.

[01:07:28] Yeah, there are some definite little holes there.

[01:07:30] We so what was a locket like because you read up on it?

[01:07:34] Like what was it?

[01:07:35] Oh, no, I didn't read up on it.

[01:07:36] And no, I was just saying like, I thought it was a, you know,

[01:07:39] good diversion to try to distract them and get the real puzzle piece

[01:07:45] from what I'm going to say, like, oh, this is the actual piece versus.

[01:07:48] Yeah, she said something in there.

[01:07:49] Yeah, she's like, why do you think it's going to look like that?

[01:07:52] Or whatever. I don't know if they've even said it looks like one of the five pieces

[01:07:56] that fits into the discovery knows that I don't know that we're not sure

[01:08:00] that they lock mall and lock have ever seen like a full piece other than the one

[01:08:05] they had in.

[01:08:07] Mirrors.

[01:08:09] Like Janal was piece one, right?

[01:08:12] Or is that piece two?

[01:08:16] That might that might you are right.

[01:08:18] The mind and piece one.

[01:08:20] Yeah, so I don't, you know, I don't think that they knew.

[01:08:23] So it was enough of a distraction where it was a little confusing.

[01:08:26] It is. Yeah, well, I mean, there, yes.

[01:08:28] And obviously we pointed out the fact that there were three life forms

[01:08:31] when they're really only two.

[01:08:33] Yeah, I don't know. Oh, and by the way, like these puzzle pieces,

[01:08:37] they're kind of just like out in the open.

[01:08:39] I don't know every time they just like and they leave the room.

[01:08:42] I know they leave it just.

[01:08:43] No security. No security.

[01:08:45] Yeah, I know nothing.

[01:08:46] I'm like bothers me to bother me to literally just walk into that room

[01:08:51] and pick it up.

[01:08:52] And you know what?

[01:08:53] That's probably going to happen.

[01:08:55] It's probably going to happen.

[01:08:56] I'm sure it's going to happen.

[01:08:57] Absolutely.

[01:08:58] I'm going to steal it.

[01:08:59] And then they will probably get to the project or sex first

[01:09:03] somehow because we need tension.

[01:09:05] We need, you know, we need.

[01:09:08] So yeah, but they get they get the piece and

[01:09:11] or she gets the piece from block.

[01:09:14] He's damaged.

[01:09:14] And then they come back and say, oh, the ship's going into the portal.

[01:09:19] Yeah.

[01:09:19] And then they run off and that's it.

[01:09:21] But they have the piece anyway.

[01:09:24] They have it.

[01:09:24] Yeah, I don't have it with the water.

[01:09:27] There's a lot of pieces like sloppy, you know, yeah.

[01:09:32] And these things bother me because I'm very process oriented, as you know.

[01:09:36] And I need the cool calendar invite and also the Excel sheet.

[01:09:39] So I'm like, why are there no security measures?

[01:09:42] Why is this like not thought out?

[01:09:44] Like what's happening?

[01:09:45] What is this? What's that?

[01:09:46] You know, all the questions.

[01:09:49] Yeah.

[01:09:49] Now it should be in like a stasis field locked behind several doors and they go

[01:09:54] into our special room and put the piece in and be like sitting, sitting her

[01:09:59] ready room or an engineering.

[01:10:00] I'm like, there's no literally nobody here.

[01:10:03] Yeah, right?

[01:10:04] Yeah.

[01:10:04] Someone pops in and pops out and it's gone.

[01:10:06] But all right.

[01:10:08] Well, mirrors that was mirrors.

[01:10:11] And then we have our latest episode.

[01:10:13] It's just there this past week, a couple of days ago, whistle speak,

[01:10:18] where we go to the planet.

[01:10:20] Hello, no.

[01:10:22] And have a traditional Star Trek episode.

[01:10:27] The Prime Directive.

[01:10:28] We get some denobulin mentions.

[01:10:31] Name drops.

[01:10:33] We get a Tilly and Michael episode.

[01:10:35] So we've had.

[01:10:38] So we're in Michael.

[01:10:39] We've had book and Michael.

[01:10:40] And now we have Tilly and Michael.

[01:10:42] Right.

[01:10:42] Right.

[01:10:43] Did I miss one?

[01:10:45] Look.

[01:10:47] Oh, and we had a Michael and Rainer one.

[01:10:49] So.

[01:10:49] Oh yeah.

[01:10:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:10:51] Yes.

[01:10:51] So they're all getting a turn.

[01:10:54] Yeah, everyone's getting a turn because Paramount's going broke

[01:10:58] and we need to basically just pair people up and you know.

[01:11:04] Yeah, I think, yeah, Sam needs to have some Michael time.

[01:11:08] I think at some point.

[01:11:08] Yeah.

[01:11:09] Yeah.

[01:11:10] Well is.

[01:11:11] Yeah.

[01:11:12] Is this the one where we get more information about his spiritual journey?

[01:11:17] Or is it?

[01:11:17] Yeah, this one.

[01:11:18] Colbert was his scrappling with.

[01:11:22] I mean, did we get a little bit in the last episode as well?

[01:11:25] Right.

[01:11:26] With a nice little scene with Tilly and him.

[01:11:29] Right.

[01:11:29] But this is the one where he's like talking to his wella.

[01:11:35] Yes, which I thought was really sweet.

[01:11:37] And then he talks to Paul about it as well.

[01:11:39] And then he, if they examine him and sick Bay and say it's going to be all right.

[01:11:44] And yes, they do.

[01:11:46] Yeah, we have not gotten enough of them together like this season at all.

[01:11:50] All right.

[01:11:51] This is like the first, you know, first time they're in sick Bay together

[01:11:54] going over his brain scans and whatnot.

[01:11:57] And yeah, it does.

[01:12:01] So I do.

[01:12:03] So speaking about this, I do sort of like the fact that, you know,

[01:12:07] in a good relationship, there is a balance of like things that one is good at

[01:12:13] and the other is good at.

[01:12:14] And I think that this is a good example of that as well as, you know,

[01:12:20] Stamets is very in touch with feelings and spiritual.

[01:12:23] And Paul is kind of like this evening.

[01:12:26] Colbert is in touch with.

[01:12:27] Sorry.

[01:12:28] Yeah.

[01:12:28] Colbert is sorry.

[01:12:29] Thank you.

[01:12:30] And Paul is just like scientists, you know, kind of woo-woo like woo-woo for a scientist.

[01:12:37] He's kind of like, not woo-woo.

[01:12:38] He's like in happy land all the time.

[01:12:40] He's like never grouch anymore.

[01:12:43] Although going back to the timeline episode is great to see him yell at the

[01:12:47] engineering's like, I'm in a bad mood.

[01:12:49] Like we're seeing that was cute.

[01:12:52] So we get some nice scenes with them.

[01:12:55] And yeah, you know, it just kind of, I think it reinforces the journey

[01:12:58] that Colbert is on and less so about the journey that falls on.

[01:13:05] Remember, in the first episode, it's all about what's his legacy now that the

[01:13:08] spore drive has kind of been derailed.

[01:13:12] So he's looking for a legacy and maybe the progenitors saying will be his legacy

[01:13:17] at some point.

[01:13:18] And yeah, I don't know.

[01:13:20] But I'm hoping this is me projecting to the end of the series, but I'm

[01:13:26] hoping that Colbert's story wraps up because Wilson Cruz wasn't able to go

[01:13:31] back and do reshoots when the cast did.

[01:13:34] Right.

[01:13:35] He was in Thailand, filming a movie and didn't go back.

[01:13:39] So there are no extra scenes with Colbert except the ones he filmed on the

[01:13:44] first run before they knew that the series was canceled.

[01:13:47] So that sucks.

[01:13:48] I had to say.

[01:13:50] Yeah, we kind of get like a full like crew shot with him at the end.

[01:13:54] Yeah, right?

[01:13:55] Yeah.

[01:13:55] You know, it's kind of a bummer.

[01:14:00] Although as everyone has said, like this feels very much like

[01:14:03] last season and a lot of talk about it last time.

[01:14:07] And just like, yeah, I know that it is that you have these moments that

[01:14:10] feel like it just, you know, so here's the thing.

[01:14:14] Like I yeah, I feel like.

[01:14:19] So there's this, there's always this thing about like how you said

[01:14:23] Mike McMahon kind of knew that it was coming.

[01:14:26] And I feel like Michelle Paradise is the showrunner and executive

[01:14:30] co-executive producer.

[01:14:31] I have a feeling that they know these things ahead of time.

[01:14:35] Like they probably knew and so to some or at least maybe suspected,

[01:14:39] really suspected and they're like, you know, we might want to start

[01:14:42] wrapping things up.

[01:14:43] Yeah, I feel like this case.

[01:14:46] There's just too many indications that this is the last season and it

[01:14:52] this was done way before the cast was even told that it was

[01:14:55] officially the last season.

[01:14:56] And I just think that, you know, I think I just have

[01:15:01] this feeling, this is my general thought.

[01:15:03] I mean, I'll never get confirmation of this, but I just think that

[01:15:07] this is the at least Michelle knew and maybe drove the

[01:15:13] writers to kind of in a way that kept that part a secret,

[01:15:18] but had them wrap up these storylines in a way that would be

[01:15:22] or maybe it was kind of like a, you know, situation where it was

[01:15:25] like, this might be a last season if we could know the one awesome,

[01:15:28] but we might want to start to kind of make it so that it feels like

[01:15:33] it's like a Babylon 5 situation or something like that, you know,

[01:15:38] where it's like, oh yeah, like we're going to wrap things up.

[01:15:42] But oh cool, another season.

[01:15:43] OK, we're going to start something.

[01:15:46] Yeah, that's funny that you said Babylon 5.

[01:15:48] That's totally it. Yes.

[01:15:49] Yes. Yeah.

[01:15:51] Oh, better wrap up this whole shadow or oh cool, another season.

[01:15:54] OK, well, there's some stuff we can like get back into the

[01:15:56] wall with, you know, like what we have to.

[01:15:59] So it's kind of like, you know, playing the seeds if they do get something.

[01:16:04] But if not, we have enough to say.

[01:16:07] Yeah. But this feels much more like it was the grand plan that things

[01:16:11] would be wrapped up in a way that. Sure.

[01:16:14] But we'll see, you know, so that's my worry about Culver

[01:16:17] and this whole piece about his spiritual journey.

[01:16:20] I hope that they do like resolve that.

[01:16:23] But hopefully it's not for naught.

[01:16:26] But we'll see.

[01:16:27] Well, I mean, I spoke to Jordan, he's never like.

[01:16:31] There's no.

[01:16:31] Never.

[01:16:32] There is. Yeah.

[01:16:34] No, that's true.

[01:16:35] It's not like there's an end point.

[01:16:36] But you know, but I think what does need to be addressed more fully

[01:16:41] because of the way this episode kind of flushed it out

[01:16:43] is that he and Paul need to have another touch base about it to kind of

[01:16:50] because right, you know, he kind of Paul was just like,

[01:16:52] oh, it's probably something we don't know about the brain.

[01:16:54] Right? Like, wow.

[01:16:56] And then Sam, it's sorry.

[01:16:58] Yeah. And then Culver talked to book and then book.

[01:17:01] Yeah. And was like, well, you know, like, you know, like,

[01:17:05] there are some things that we don't always share.

[01:17:06] I think that was we don't always share with other

[01:17:08] like some of the other spouses.

[01:17:09] That wasn't the reason I get what you're saying.

[01:17:12] It just yeah, the gist of it is like sometimes

[01:17:15] your your significant other doesn't understand everything.

[01:17:18] Yeah. And that's OK.

[01:17:20] That's OK. You know, that is what it is. So yeah.

[01:17:24] Yeah. So you're so individual, like, you know, like your own

[01:17:28] your own journey to like you have someone walking with you,

[01:17:31] but doesn't mean that, you know, you don't have your own thing going on.

[01:17:33] So yeah, that's totally true.

[01:17:36] 100 percent.

[01:17:37] So the other part of this episode, not Culver and Sam,

[01:17:41] its focus was this whole episode on the planet

[01:17:45] and and a sea plot with a deer on the bridge.

[01:17:49] So that was very sea.

[01:17:51] It was like, yeah, see, see minus.

[01:17:55] But yeah, I thought it was an enjoyable episode.

[01:17:58] They did talk about breaking the prime directive early on.

[01:18:01] They didn't because that woman was going to die.

[01:18:04] But fortunately, they had a way to save her from the dust

[01:18:07] that was not technology driven.

[01:18:10] So but I enjoyed this whole

[01:18:15] this whole run, you know, the sacrifice piece.

[01:18:19] I am watching it a second time.

[01:18:21] I obviously knew that.

[01:18:24] But I don't know that it was really super clear

[01:18:27] at the beginning or made throughout the episode.

[01:18:32] And even when the old woman was speaking to her about.

[01:18:35] Oh, no, no, we didn't know.

[01:18:37] I mean, there were like their hands that something's off.

[01:18:41] But you know, you know,

[01:18:43] like, why is it that trying to convince his daughter so hard?

[01:18:48] Like they don't need to run.

[01:18:52] Don't need to run. Yeah.

[01:18:54] So maybe he is the only one that knew that secret

[01:18:57] and or it was just a general.

[01:18:59] I mean, what's her face new?

[01:19:01] Oh, yeah, it's their friend.

[01:19:03] Yes, yes, they knew they knew.

[01:19:05] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:19:07] Yep. So yeah, I I thought like the you know,

[01:19:13] I always find it interesting when they give a little more

[01:19:18] a little more thought into the construction of an alien species or race.

[01:19:24] So the whole whistle speak kind of thing where they like,

[01:19:27] oh, they also communicate in a different way.

[01:19:30] They talk, but they also whistle.

[01:19:32] It's kind of cool.

[01:19:32] Like that's interesting, you know, just making them a little bit different.

[01:19:37] So I thought that was cool.

[01:19:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

[01:19:41] But yeah, no.

[01:19:44] Yeah, it just felt very star trekky.

[01:19:46] I mean, it felt like, you know, a problem.

[01:19:48] And then I liked that Michael taps out early and that tilly complete the race.

[01:19:53] And I thought the way that tilly completed the race was right on par with Tillies.

[01:19:58] You know, journey and being the teacher and the one who

[01:20:02] right, you know, helps this younger generation.

[01:20:07] Do things. So yeah, I thought it was a really outstanding

[01:20:12] like.

[01:20:14] That's the end of the episode, too.

[01:20:16] And a lot of other ways.

[01:20:17] Yeah, no, it's good.

[01:20:19] And so yeah.

[01:20:22] And fortunately, they saved tilly because tilly was the only one that knew

[01:20:25] that the actual clue was not in that tower, but in the fifth tower.

[01:20:31] Which she was the only one who knew that.

[01:20:33] So she didn't even communicate that over the comms to Michael before she died.

[01:20:39] I thought was kind of something.

[01:20:41] Yeah, but she didn't, you know, so I was like, wow, OK.

[01:20:48] Did you forget to mention this to someone in case you don't make it?

[01:20:53] I think it's again, one of those things like it's like a logic,

[01:20:56] you know, it's like a gap in logic, right?

[01:21:00] Like it's like how oh, the kid of Azora, she had any additional information.

[01:21:04] Like it's just like, oh, like there could have been other way for them to

[01:21:08] do this, but they go the long route of trying to figure this out.

[01:21:13] You know, whatever. That's fine.

[01:21:15] Yeah, you know, it's like we want to take the scenic route

[01:21:20] versus the actual logical logical way, which could be seen as a shortcut,

[01:21:25] but it's fine. Yeah, exactly.

[01:21:29] Exo.

[01:21:31] I agree with you.

[01:21:31] It's like kind of just like a more like classic, like first contact slash

[01:21:36] prime directive kind of situation and how involved do we get?

[01:21:40] And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:21:42] So yeah.

[01:21:43] And really they only broke the prime directive with the dad.

[01:21:46] Like that was it.

[01:21:47] Like no one else knew was in the tower except for him.

[01:21:53] I don't know the consequences of breaking the prime directive

[01:21:58] one person versus the whole species.

[01:22:00] I mean, I don't know.

[01:22:01] Oh, yeah, true.

[01:22:04] Yeah, sounds like.

[01:22:06] Yeah, whatever.

[01:22:08] That's fine.

[01:22:09] But it was also kind of like.

[01:22:12] You have this giant monolith that obviously has technology

[01:22:18] and you did not build this, I guess the gods built it.

[01:22:21] It's also very much like mechanical.

[01:22:24] I don't know.

[01:22:24] It was like literally it's a lover that he like has to twist.

[01:22:28] You know, to actually like make the whole thing function

[01:22:33] and whatever.

[01:22:34] I'm like how you know how and why but.

[01:22:38] But yeah, I think that overall I would say that.

[01:22:44] Yeah, you know, I agree when it comes to this episode.

[01:22:48] I think, you know, overall, I think that it was fine.

[01:22:50] Like, yeah, I think it was like, yes, throwback to like a TNG

[01:22:55] slash Rick Berman kind of episode.

[01:22:58] We get the Tilly highlight.

[01:23:01] We get Michael again, spending time with someone from her crew,

[01:23:07] putting herself in danger.

[01:23:09] That's fine.

[01:23:11] Yeah, I don't think it like shown necessarily as much as.

[01:23:17] As face the strange or even mirrors, if I have to be honest.

[01:23:21] But at least we've moved the plot forward, which I guess is a good thing.

[01:23:27] So yeah, I think, yeah, just overall, overall, I would probably give it

[01:23:34] like it had to say like maybe like a like a B plus.

[01:23:39] Can definitely.

[01:23:40] So anyway, yeah, I mean, that's a good that's a good grade.

[01:23:44] Plus for B plus.

[01:23:46] Yeah.

[01:23:47] So anyway.

[01:23:49] And you know, this episode or at least last four episodes.

[01:23:52] No, out of these four.

[01:23:55] Any what is your favorite?

[01:23:56] The obviously face of strange.

[01:23:59] I think it was the most enthusiastic about one and probably the one

[01:24:03] that I was most down on was Janal.

[01:24:07] But I mean, I don't think it was bad.

[01:24:09] It was just like, this is fine.

[01:24:12] No, yeah, no, you're right.

[01:24:14] I'm trying to think if, yeah.

[01:24:17] I mean, I did enjoy the green part of mirrors.

[01:24:19] So that was kind of cool.

[01:24:20] Oh no, mirrors I thought was good too.

[01:24:22] I just think that, you know, the whole enter pricing was a little necessary.

[01:24:25] But I thought, oh, well, it was actually a good episode

[01:24:28] because of the green review on whatever.

[01:24:32] Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would have been nice to have a little bit more.

[01:24:36] I don't know.

[01:24:36] I don't know.

[01:24:36] You know, would have been actually would have been great to just

[01:24:39] have an episode about their journey.

[01:24:42] Who's joining?

[01:24:43] Mal and Locke's like, I mean, what's the whole thing about that?

[01:24:47] I mean, that was but like build it out a little bit more.

[01:24:50] You know, like, I think that's it.

[01:24:52] I don't think we'll get more.

[01:24:53] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:24:55] Like it would have been great to like have an episode where you see

[01:24:58] the whole story of Maul like in different points

[01:25:01] and then she meets Locke and like what that like.

[01:25:05] Nothing gets out.

[01:25:06] Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:25:08] I'm saying, you know, anyway, instead we got mirrors.

[01:25:11] Also, I'm not sure I'm not that curious.

[01:25:12] I'm like, I get it.

[01:25:13] She's a courier.

[01:25:15] Like she had some trauma.

[01:25:16] She lost her mother and father.

[01:25:19] We got that information and she probably has like a.

[01:25:23] Yeah, but you know, you know how so she all right.

[01:25:26] So we've we've complained about this in the past.

[01:25:28] This is sort of the same thing where, you know, you get little

[01:25:31] details about the bridge crew and these like short explanatory

[01:25:36] like things and that's what I feel like this sort of was in

[01:25:40] some ways was there was a lot of explanatory things when you

[01:25:44] could build a story around it maybe and do it.

[01:25:48] But again, we have 10 episodes.

[01:25:51] We have 10 episodes and yeah, that's not if we had even 15.

[01:25:57] Maybe you could build it out differently.

[01:25:59] Sure. Yeah, I agree.

[01:26:01] I think the episode, the, you know, the fact that we

[01:26:03] have so many to work with.

[01:26:05] And I think historically discovery has not always been

[01:26:08] the best at showing that telling.

[01:26:10] You know, I think we're just told so.

[01:26:14] Yeah, you know, no, for sure.

[01:26:16] It's yeah, it's one of the areas where we can we can probably

[01:26:21] go at length about that, but it's fine.

[01:26:23] Yeah, it'll have to.

[01:26:25] All right. Well, there we did.

[01:26:28] We just covered 40% of the season in one episode.

[01:26:33] I know.

[01:26:35] We've only got four episodes left of Discovery.

[01:26:39] I know only one more month and then we're done with discovery.

[01:26:43] We're done and yeah, we wait for the final season of

[01:26:48] Lord X. Oh my God.

[01:26:51] And then then we'll have to wait till 2025 for probably a new trick.

[01:26:58] God. Oh no, we have prodigy, which we have.

[01:27:01] Oh, that's right. I was like, wait, I was like.

[01:27:04] There should be prodigy coming out at some point.

[01:27:06] We just don't know.

[01:27:07] Yeah, at some point, Netflix has not given any indication

[01:27:11] as to when that's going to happen.

[01:27:12] But yeah, no, some point.

[01:27:16] So anyway, OK, all right.

[01:27:18] Well, there we go.

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[01:29:56] Oh, Elon. Yeah, I'm sure that he cares.

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[01:30:20] Yeah. So, you know, wait, what?

[01:30:24] What did the workers say?

[01:30:25] Like, don't you want to be a member like the Wright brothers?

[01:30:28] Elon Musk? I'm like, what the fuck?

[01:30:31] I'm like, why?

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[01:31:05] There you go. There we go.

[01:31:08] All right. Four more episodes of discovery to go.

[01:31:11] I don't know when we're going to get to core, but that's fine.

[01:31:14] I don't know when we're going to find time.

[01:31:16] I'm going on vacation.

[01:31:20] Yeah, well, I'm seeing my mom next weekend for Mother's Day.

[01:31:23] That's very. Oh, there we go.

[01:31:25] So yeah, we may just be back for the end of discovery.

[01:31:30] Oh, my God.

[01:31:32] End of the show. All right.

[01:31:34] Well, here we are.

[01:31:36] Maybe by then, Paramount will have a new CEO

[01:31:40] and have some sort of leadership.

[01:31:42] Oh, OK. It's unlikely.

[01:31:44] It's not God willing.

[01:31:46] No one's getting their hopes up about that.

[01:31:48] I'm not holding my breath.

[01:31:49] I think, you know, not at all.

[01:31:51] No. But anyway, yeah,

[01:31:55] we'll look forward to talking more discovery next time.

[01:32:00] Yeah. Cool.

[01:32:02] Thanks, everyone. All right.

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