The One With the Discovery Season 5 Premiere

[00:00:00] Welcome to Deep Space Pride, our first episode of 2024 and happy belated first contact day.

[00:00:18] There's fresh episodes of Star Trek and some news to catch up on.

[00:00:21] Thanks for joining us.

[00:00:30] Hey Mike, how's it going?

[00:00:58] How are you?

[00:00:59] Hey Johnson, I am doing well.

[00:01:02] How are you?

[00:01:03] I'm okay.

[00:01:05] Yeah, it's April.

[00:01:07] It's the day before the solar eclipse.

[00:01:10] Are you excited?

[00:01:10] Yes.

[00:01:12] It's like really big news.

[00:01:13] I'm kind of just like whatever, but people are very excited for it.

[00:01:17] They are.

[00:01:17] I have not I've not secured glasses for this.

[00:01:21] So I don't know how I'm going to observe this phenomenon.

[00:01:26] I mean, I think you can use like sunglasses and look at it for like a second and you're fine.

[00:01:31] OK, maybe.

[00:01:33] Yeah.

[00:01:35] They're hard to get.

[00:01:36] They're like it's it's like out everywhere.

[00:01:39] Oh, OK.

[00:01:40] So someone's hoarding them.

[00:01:42] It's sort of like the pandemic all over again with toilet paper.

[00:01:45] People are hoarding sunglasses for these.

[00:01:48] It's possible.

[00:01:49] I don't.

[00:01:50] So my friend got me one up here yesterday.

[00:01:52] I was like, thank you.

[00:01:55] And then I lost it.

[00:01:57] Oh, well then I had another friend go and they found some at B&H video.

[00:02:02] You know that camera store?

[00:02:04] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:04] No, I don't. Yeah.

[00:02:05] I walk by the.

[00:02:06] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:07] They apparently have sunglasses there for sale.

[00:02:10] So he got me one.

[00:02:12] Oh, so I need to go pick it up later.

[00:02:15] But I don't know.

[00:02:15] I think it might be cloudy in New York.

[00:02:17] So I don't even know if it's going to be worth all this effort.

[00:02:20] But whatever.

[00:02:22] Do I have a meeting?

[00:02:23] I should probably look at my schedule.

[00:02:24] Like, yeah.

[00:02:25] You have like it's somewhere between three and three thirty, I want to say.

[00:02:30] Yes.

[00:02:30] Yes, you're correct.

[00:02:31] Yeah, it's like around that range and I probably have meetings.

[00:02:36] I do have a meeting, but I can move it.

[00:02:38] I can move it.

[00:02:38] It's it's internal.

[00:02:40] No, there you go.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:43] So we have that.

[00:02:45] We've had an earthquake.

[00:02:48] Oh, right.

[00:02:48] The earthquake.

[00:02:49] That was last week.

[00:02:50] So that was the big news here in New York.

[00:02:53] Did you feel it?

[00:02:55] Yes, it shook the TV on our wall like a lot.

[00:03:00] Yes.

[00:03:00] Are you serious?

[00:03:02] Yeah, it felt like it literally felt like the subway was going underneath our building.

[00:03:08] Oh, wow.

[00:03:09] Yeah.

[00:03:09] So I think what I've been able to gather and I'm assuming did you not feel it?

[00:03:14] So I felt it.

[00:03:16] Nothing rattled.

[00:03:17] Nothing shook my in my apartment.

[00:03:19] Like it's not like nothing like what you experience.

[00:03:22] I was so first of all, I had two hours of sleep because I had just gone back for a red eye.

[00:03:28] Oh, right.

[00:03:28] Right.

[00:03:28] Yeah, I was in SF this past week.

[00:03:32] So I got back out of the sleep and I was on a zoom call.

[00:03:35] I was exhausted.

[00:03:37] I felt it, but I was so focused on the call and I felt it.

[00:03:40] I was like, I'm just really tired.

[00:03:41] Like, you know, and then sometimes it's like construction, right?

[00:03:45] Sometimes you actually feel the thumping.

[00:03:48] So exactly.

[00:03:49] Maybe it's construction or something, you know?

[00:03:51] And then all my friends are texting.

[00:03:53] I was like, oh, OK.

[00:03:55] Yeah, now I think that people who are in older buildings, so if your building is

[00:04:00] like over 100 years old or if you're in a really tall sky, is your building

[00:04:05] over 100 years old?

[00:04:06] Oh, yeah, yeah, it is.

[00:04:07] Yeah. Oh, really?

[00:04:08] Oh, I didn't realize that.

[00:04:10] Yeah.

[00:04:10] So, yeah.

[00:04:13] So that was an experience.

[00:04:14] We at first we were like, what is going on and what's that shaking?

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:18] Dennis.

[00:04:19] Oh, cool.

[00:04:19] Yeah.

[00:04:20] But him and Regal.

[00:04:23] He a little bit, he like what's happening, but and then he was a little

[00:04:27] skittish when we went outside.

[00:04:31] Yeah, it was something.

[00:04:33] Yeah.

[00:04:33] Oh, it was something.

[00:04:34] Actually the first earthquake that I recall experiencing.

[00:04:39] I know there have been others and I have experienced them.

[00:04:41] Yeah, I felt others.

[00:04:43] But it's really rare in New York.

[00:04:45] Yeah, it is.

[00:04:46] But this was pretty significant.

[00:04:47] So.

[00:04:48] No.

[00:04:49] My favorite meme out there is the a 4.8 in New York is equal to an 8 in

[00:04:55] California.

[00:04:58] I think the entire level freak out.

[00:05:02] I don't know if it's a level freak out, but you know, obviously

[00:05:06] East Coast, West Coast competition, but.

[00:05:09] Oh, I see.

[00:05:09] Yeah.

[00:05:10] I mean, also there are no tall buildings in California.

[00:05:15] So for this very reason, whereas we are completely

[00:05:19] surrounded by tall buildings.

[00:05:20] So right, right?

[00:05:22] Yeah.

[00:05:23] And then there was no, I don't.

[00:05:26] Yeah, there were no major issues, I think at least I didn't hear of any.

[00:05:30] No, and then did you damage?

[00:05:32] Right.

[00:05:33] Yeah.

[00:05:33] And then then we got the emergency alert on our phones 45.

[00:05:38] I didn't get one.

[00:05:40] Oh really?

[00:05:41] No, I didn't get one.

[00:05:42] I think your phone died.

[00:05:43] It was still in the West Coast.

[00:05:46] No, it was back.

[00:05:47] No, it's location based.

[00:05:49] It's location based.

[00:05:50] Okay, whatever.

[00:05:52] Maybe you turned off emergency alerts on your settings.

[00:05:55] I don't know.

[00:05:57] I actually get one.

[00:05:58] But yeah, that was something.

[00:06:01] It was something.

[00:06:01] That was some.

[00:06:02] Yes, that was something.

[00:06:04] We've got the solar eclipse tomorrow, which people are joking.

[00:06:07] It's like the third big thing.

[00:06:09] I mean, we had tarantula downpours here in New York most of the week.

[00:06:13] And this all of that because I wasn't.

[00:06:15] But I saw it on the what is New York?

[00:06:19] It's a good one.

[00:06:20] So so yeah, so someone joked that the rapture is coming tomorrow.

[00:06:26] So OK, I'm ready.

[00:06:29] I knew your response.

[00:06:31] And news.

[00:06:34] What I would think so I didn't say this when I heard this before.

[00:06:38] But what I think is that all you people who want to be taken are not going

[00:06:42] to be taken and then the rest of us are going to be taken.

[00:06:45] So it'll be like a reverse inverse after.

[00:06:50] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:51] Did you ever I mean I'm curious.

[00:06:53] Did you ever because a lot of this rapture

[00:06:57] this this idea of the rapture comes from this like left behind series?

[00:07:00] Did you ever hear about that?

[00:07:02] I did.

[00:07:02] These yes, it was very popular amongst more I would say more

[00:07:08] even joke or Christian circles.

[00:07:10] I've never.

[00:07:11] I'm definitely aware of it.

[00:07:13] I don't know that I ever read it or I've never read it.

[00:07:18] But it became a didn't become a series for one.

[00:07:21] It was a series.

[00:07:22] I think Nicholas Cage was in some movie adaptation of it or something like that.

[00:07:28] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:07:29] It's it's very interesting.

[00:07:32] That whole rapture, that whole rapture of theology that came out of like

[00:07:36] yes, the evangelical circles in the 80s and 90s.

[00:07:39] But anyway.

[00:07:41] Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

[00:07:43] So anyway, I think we'll be back.

[00:07:45] And they were OK.

[00:07:46] And they were OK.

[00:07:47] I think we'll be fine.

[00:07:49] Yes.

[00:07:50] So yeah, it's been a minute since we've recorded.

[00:07:53] It's been over three months since we recorded.

[00:07:56] Yeah, I mean, the last time we recorded was at the end of 2023.

[00:08:00] Right.

[00:08:00] For New Year's.

[00:08:02] Correct.

[00:08:02] And we've been busy.

[00:08:05] Life has been busy for both of us.

[00:08:08] Yeah, there's been no new Star Trek until this week.

[00:08:13] Unless you count the project you leak that happened in France a couple of

[00:08:17] weeks ago. Right. But yeah, no, I don't count that because

[00:08:22] I don't speak French and as someone said,

[00:08:26] I don't want to hear Jane.

[00:08:27] I want to hear Janeway's voice.

[00:08:29] Speaking of right now.

[00:08:31] The French dub not the French dub diversion of this.

[00:08:35] So right.

[00:08:36] I haven't seen any spoilers online.

[00:08:38] So I haven't seen spoilers either.

[00:08:39] Yeah.

[00:08:40] And yeah, yeah.

[00:08:44] Well, there's been there's been some more recent news, right?

[00:08:47] So yes, then that

[00:08:52] the biggest thing I think while one of the big things was that

[00:08:57] well, there's a couple of things, right?

[00:08:58] There's there's the Section 31 movie is wrapped.

[00:09:03] Right.

[00:09:05] And then there's even word that Michelle Yeo would come back and do another one.

[00:09:11] I can see that.

[00:09:12] Yeah, I can see that.

[00:09:13] And then there was that variety article

[00:09:16] that kind of spilled some beans about the Section 31 movie.

[00:09:20] Oh, yeah. Remember, it was like he mentioned

[00:09:22] that one of the actresses plays Rachel Garrett.

[00:09:25] And that was like, what?

[00:09:27] That's new news.

[00:09:28] That is new news.

[00:09:29] And it gives us a time period to think about.

[00:09:34] Right. Well, there's some theories that people are having that it might be kind of

[00:09:38] like because they they kind of are

[00:09:42] comparing it to some sort of like heist movie.

[00:09:45] So is it like are they jumping through time?

[00:09:48] Is it is it actually different periods, including that early,

[00:09:52] you know, early twenty fourth century period?

[00:09:55] I don't know. I have no idea.

[00:09:56] Or she like recruiting like different StarVie captains like who knows?

[00:10:00] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Who knows really?

[00:10:02] Yeah. This is cool, though.

[00:10:05] I like the I like that they're tapping into that because it is, you know,

[00:10:09] we don't know much about Rachel Garrett at all

[00:10:12] other than from yesterday's enterprise.

[00:10:14] So right. That's neat.

[00:10:15] Need idea. And she died in halfway through.

[00:10:18] I know.

[00:10:21] Poor. Yeah, we don't know the only female captain of the enterprise.

[00:10:27] Thus far up until Captain Seven.

[00:10:30] Right. Seven.

[00:10:32] So, yeah.

[00:10:34] So that was, yeah, that was kind of interesting.

[00:10:35] So I didn't know about your time travel theory, but

[00:10:39] because we always assume that you'd end up in like what, twenty five hundred?

[00:10:42] Like somewhere or closer to closer to when discoveries period, at least,

[00:10:48] I would say, but well closer to the original discoveries

[00:10:54] place versus the thousand years in the future.

[00:10:56] Correct. Correct. Yeah.

[00:10:59] Not necessarily in discovery era because

[00:11:02] no, but closer to that twenty third century.

[00:11:06] Twenty three or twenty three century.

[00:11:08] Yeah, that that that rain that era, you know, but no Shazad.

[00:11:13] No, shella teeth.

[00:11:15] Yeah, it's odd. So.

[00:11:18] So that's not he's he's not part of this.

[00:11:21] So earlier on the first one.

[00:11:23] So yeah, I'm excited to see what they do with this.

[00:11:28] It sounds sounds promising.

[00:11:31] I mean, it was always promising, but now it seems real and.

[00:11:37] I guess the word, you know, what little word there is,

[00:11:40] it seems very positive that this is a good, good movie.

[00:11:45] Yeah, I'm remember like back going back to the 90s,

[00:11:49] like they used to have like a lot of TV movies, like on network channels.

[00:11:53] Yeah. That has not been a thing unless you can't fall more.

[00:11:57] Like, you know, the horror movies or something like that.

[00:12:01] And it's I would say that at least back then,

[00:12:05] because I used to watch a lot of TV movies,

[00:12:08] I would say the quality can be all over the place, you know,

[00:12:14] like because it's definitely not the actual quality.

[00:12:17] It may be better than an episode, but I don't know.

[00:12:21] You know, I kind of I think I'm curbing my expectations.

[00:12:25] I'm like, OK, you know what, Michelle was in it so it can't be it can't be trash.

[00:12:32] You know, like, I don't know.

[00:12:33] I think TV movies are very hit or miss.

[00:12:36] Like, you know, if if you're lucky,

[00:12:39] it's better than a regular episode.

[00:12:41] If you're unlucky, it can be very bad.

[00:12:43] So I have no idea.

[00:12:45] Yeah, but I think the quality of like the productions,

[00:12:51] they're not going to put out something that's,

[00:12:54] you know, not the quality of strange new worlds and discovery.

[00:12:58] Like they have that big AR wall.

[00:13:01] They have, you know, they have the ability to make really great sets.

[00:13:05] They have sets that they can redress to.

[00:13:09] Right. I'm not worried about production.

[00:13:12] I'm like, is a story going to be good?

[00:13:14] Oh, OK. You know, well, you know, I think I think modern day

[00:13:18] productions are, you know, pretty quality.

[00:13:20] It's like, oh, this is like you put money on it.

[00:13:22] But I hope that's a good story, you know?

[00:13:25] Yeah, I feel like Michelle, you wouldn't do it if it didn't have a good story.

[00:13:31] I mean, maybe she was in that, like,

[00:13:33] remember the Witcher Origins thing?

[00:13:35] She was. Did you ever watch that?

[00:13:36] It was OK. Like, I think you watch a Netflix.

[00:13:40] I mean, I watched an episode.

[00:13:42] He was like mediocre.

[00:13:44] Oh, OK. At best.

[00:13:45] So whatever we'll see.

[00:13:47] That was slightly earlier before she won Academy Award

[00:13:51] and all that stuff. It's like two years ago or something.

[00:13:53] OK. But well, here's hoping we hope

[00:13:57] we hope that it will be good and it will be more. Of course. More.

[00:14:04] So that was now there's like potential rumblings

[00:14:06] that there could be a legacy movie.

[00:14:10] Oh, right. Oh, and then even earlier before all of this was the

[00:14:15] the word that there is a Picard script running around for a movie.

[00:14:19] Well, I feel that was more.

[00:14:22] I feel that came from Patrick Stewart, I believe.

[00:14:24] Yeah, I think he was talking to someone and I don't know.

[00:14:28] I personally don't know how you feel.

[00:14:30] I don't I don't I don't need another Picard movie or whatever.

[00:14:34] And I think we're good. I'm good.

[00:14:36] I was really happy with the cards in three.

[00:14:39] Is a great send off.

[00:14:40] He's old like I'm good. I don't need it.

[00:14:44] I'm fine. Yeah, I don't I don't need it.

[00:14:47] I only needed if if it will prove the like

[00:14:51] prove the audience for a legacy show.

[00:14:55] Maybe, but we'll see.

[00:14:58] I mean, maybe.

[00:14:59] So speaking of legacy, the other piece of this news was that Alex

[00:15:03] Alex Kurtzman is not making the decision on this legacy thing.

[00:15:07] It is quote unquote above his pay grade,

[00:15:11] right, which as the executive producer of all of Star Trek.

[00:15:16] I do not understand that context.

[00:15:19] Well, I think that probably with everything that's going on in Paramount

[00:15:24] like he can't make I wouldn't be surprised if

[00:15:29] there's just things are out of his control

[00:15:31] because this is like literally Paramount from a higher

[00:15:35] like from an executive perspective, it's turmoil.

[00:15:38] So in terms of next steps of what's happening with the studio

[00:15:43] in what is what's happening with Paramount plus it's losing money.

[00:15:47] Like, you know, there's just like so many considerations there

[00:15:50] from business perspective that he he probably only has so much money to

[00:15:55] work with and it sounds like Starfleet Academy is going to be really expensive.

[00:16:00] So I don't even, you know, know how much money he has to

[00:16:03] distribute for your content. Right.

[00:16:07] I don't know if Starfleet Academy is going to be expensive.

[00:16:09] I mean, they've just I mean, they're building the largest one piece set ever.

[00:16:15] Right. But then they, you know, it sounds like there's a big writer's room.

[00:16:21] You know, I don't know.

[00:16:23] I have no idea how these budgets work.

[00:16:25] Yeah, I don't really either.

[00:16:26] But I think what the whole point of having one big set is that you don't need to

[00:16:32] you won't be building additional sets afterwards.

[00:16:37] If that makes sense, like you're investing upfront in this one set

[00:16:43] and you don't have to like it's what you'll use over a couple of years.

[00:16:48] So right. I mean, it's like they did something similar to space nine.

[00:16:51] I mean, they built the whole promenade and that was like a massive set.

[00:16:55] But that was a lot that was really expensive.

[00:16:56] And then basically the almost like half the first season, it was like all

[00:17:00] bottle ups because they had to save money.

[00:17:02] I don't know, you know? Yeah.

[00:17:03] But I wouldn't be surprised if there's just like, yeah,

[00:17:06] there's like bigger, like I think I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot

[00:17:10] political considerations of power at the moment that he can only do so much about.

[00:17:16] OK. So when it comes to money,

[00:17:20] you know, well, they did announce right that they're moving on to Star Trek

[00:17:24] five, that Star Trek four is dead.

[00:17:29] I don't know what's going on.

[00:17:30] So they're moving on to Star Trek five.

[00:17:33] Yeah. As a writer, I believe.

[00:17:36] Yeah. Well, there's a lot.

[00:17:40] There's a lot happening and some of what we know and some of what we don't know.

[00:17:46] Yeah, including who is going to buy Paramount or whether they're going to break it up.

[00:17:51] Yeah, this has been a lot on the rumor mill when it comes to what's going on

[00:17:55] with Paramount. So I don't know if it's even worth talking about

[00:17:58] because I feel like changes are really.

[00:18:00] Oh yeah, no, no.

[00:18:02] And I mean, it's pretty clear our opinions on Paramount, how they're

[00:18:07] they've run at least Star Trek.

[00:18:11] And this isn't directed at Alex Kurtzman, but their marketing

[00:18:16] of Star Trek is just abysmal.

[00:18:19] So. Yes. Yeah, maybe.

[00:18:25] Yeah. Well, we'll see.

[00:18:27] Maybe. Yeah, I mean, this all Skydance media

[00:18:31] purchase would be interesting if they were just purchasing certain IPs,

[00:18:37] so including Star Trek.

[00:18:38] So now.

[00:18:41] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:18:41] Maybe that would actually be better for Star Trek if they were purchased

[00:18:45] by like a new stakeholder that actually knew how to work with the IP.

[00:18:50] I don't know.

[00:18:52] Yeah. It's it's very it's very unfortunate that it's it's so messy.

[00:18:56] But yeah, here we are.

[00:18:59] Yeah, well, I mean, here we are here, we've been it's not even that show here.

[00:19:03] We're very this is this is not like new territory.

[00:19:06] So yeah, you know, yeah.

[00:19:08] I am excited for Starfleet Academy.

[00:19:13] I know we talked about Tony Newsom being in the writers room gives us

[00:19:17] some enthusiasm for it.

[00:19:19] But it does sound like they're actually investing in it.

[00:19:22] They want to try to bring a new audience.

[00:19:24] I heard some more interviews recently where there's definitely and we know this

[00:19:29] like the Star Trek.

[00:19:31] The Star Trek user base is not young,

[00:19:35] especially when you go to these conventions or I mean, I haven't gone

[00:19:38] to a convention a while, but I'll see photos of people that are at the Star Trek cruise.

[00:19:42] I'm like, oh my God, I'm already old.

[00:19:44] You know, it's just like there's not like a lot of young people.

[00:19:46] I'm not saying they're none, but it's not it's it's not a very fresh

[00:19:51] faced franchise, you know?

[00:19:53] I think that they definitely need to be doing more to bring in that younger audience.

[00:19:57] I don't know Starfleet Academy's going to do it because it's like will people be

[00:20:01] like, oh my God, there's like this like, I don't know.

[00:20:05] Oh, Starfleet Academy, I got to watch it now.

[00:20:06] You know, if I was a Gen Z or like, oh my God, I have no idea.

[00:20:10] It's all it comes down to how they can market it.

[00:20:12] Unfortunately, you know, and how they sell it.

[00:20:15] And hopefully they cast some good, you know, I don't know, maybe they need to cast

[00:20:22] a few influencers or something to kind of get some traction.

[00:20:27] But yeah, I'm dubious about them hiring influencers, but well, at least younger

[00:20:35] stars that have a good social following, you know, who would who are intrinsically

[00:20:41] influencers because then they can at least tap their current social

[00:20:45] followings to watch at the very least.

[00:20:49] Because yeah, if they like, if they tap someone that's like too green or

[00:20:52] they don't have any recognition, then that could be that could be a tough sell

[00:20:56] because so much of the actual user base that comes in at the onset is

[00:21:01] going to be based upon who's actually recognizable, who's going to be on

[00:21:05] the red carpet when they do press tours, like are people going to care?

[00:21:09] I don't know.

[00:21:09] You know, so right.

[00:21:12] They want to hopefully try to bring in if they want to try to bring

[00:21:15] a fresh audience, I think that, you know, at least try to at least try

[00:21:19] to cast some folks that are perhaps a recognition.

[00:21:23] Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[00:21:26] Yeah. So yeah, we'll see.

[00:21:29] But I think that's right for our way.

[00:21:30] The last thing I heard is like it's 2026.

[00:21:35] Yes.

[00:21:35] Well, I think Alex Kertzmann said it'll come out when it's

[00:21:39] ready and I don't know if he said 2026 or if he just intimated that it

[00:21:45] could possibly not show up until for a while.

[00:21:49] So speaking of a while, I mean, right now they're filming

[00:21:53] episodes seven of season three of Strange New Worlds.

[00:21:58] OK, still in the midst of recording recording.

[00:22:02] Is that the right way?

[00:22:04] I don't know.

[00:22:04] Filming. Thank you.

[00:22:06] Filming that the new season, which is not going to be out until 2025.

[00:22:14] So I mean, it's possible that could like come out this year if they like rush post.

[00:22:20] And they're not going to rush post.

[00:22:22] Post it takes forever nowadays.

[00:22:23] It's just too.

[00:22:24] Yes, it's just so so much post.

[00:22:27] Yes.

[00:22:29] I don't know how we get back in the 90s when they would pump

[00:22:32] out like 26 episodes in a year.

[00:22:34] There's a lot of posts.

[00:22:35] I mean, there was post, but it wasn't it just didn't take this long.

[00:22:38] Yeah.

[00:22:40] Yeah, I mean, they're recording in 4K or 8K.

[00:22:46] And all the things that take a lot longer now because it's so elaborate.

[00:22:51] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:22:53] Plus music and all of that.

[00:22:56] But they had all that.

[00:22:57] They had like all that in the original, like the 90s series,

[00:23:01] the permanent era.

[00:23:03] I don't know.

[00:23:04] I have no idea how they did it.

[00:23:05] I feel like the music back then was more thematic and they just used it.

[00:23:10] Use this kind of the same music over and over again, and which is why

[00:23:15] at least in my opinion, the music.

[00:23:18] I'm still more in touch with the music of that time period than I am

[00:23:24] with the new albums of music

[00:23:27] that are released for the newer series.

[00:23:30] Right. Yeah.

[00:23:32] I don't know.

[00:23:33] We'll see.

[00:23:34] It's either way, it's not going to come out for a while.

[00:23:37] It's yes.

[00:23:38] It's a lot, which is, you know, which is fine.

[00:23:40] I'm happy that they're back filming and anxious

[00:23:45] to see what stories are going to do this year.

[00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:50] I mean, so what we know, obviously, we're

[00:23:54] in Discovery season five.

[00:23:57] We still don't know when Prodigy is going to be formally released by Netflix.

[00:24:02] Right. It's still I haven't heard anything.

[00:24:05] There's no there are no news.

[00:24:08] We think that lower decks will probably be at least

[00:24:12] based upon what I've heard.

[00:24:14] It's it's not going to be too far off from their usual summertime frame.

[00:24:18] Yeah, because it didn't seem like they lost that much time with the strike.

[00:24:22] So I think that, you know, hopefully still August, maybe September.

[00:24:26] But yeah, that's really it in terms of anything more definitive.

[00:24:31] Yeah, I think lower decks is the first four seasons have been in a consistent

[00:24:35] time frame. Yeah.

[00:24:37] For the last four years.

[00:24:38] So.

[00:24:41] Yeah.

[00:24:42] So we'll have that in the summer and then, yes, you know, obviously,

[00:24:46] Prodigy is done and ready to go.

[00:24:49] Yeah.

[00:24:49] It's like, when is Netflix going to give it to us?

[00:24:52] Yes, exactly.

[00:24:54] And are we is it a one drop?

[00:24:56] Is it going to be the 20 episodes like the French TV?

[00:24:59] What's going to happen?

[00:25:00] So right, because then, you know, if it's a one drop,

[00:25:05] then we're all going to be rushing to watch it

[00:25:07] because then the spoilers will.

[00:25:10] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:10] Will happen and have to be at least.

[00:25:14] They have to at least split 10 and 10.

[00:25:15] There's 20 episodes because you imagine dropping all 20 episodes

[00:25:18] at one time like that's going to be I mean French TV did.

[00:25:22] Yeah.

[00:25:23] But you dropped all 20.

[00:25:25] Yeah, I thought so.

[00:25:26] Oh, wow.

[00:25:27] Yeah.

[00:25:28] So yeah.

[00:25:31] You know, who knows who knows what's going to happen.

[00:25:33] Don't know.

[00:25:34] Don't know.

[00:25:34] But I think I'm hoping it'll be after discovery, obviously.

[00:25:38] So we don't have to.

[00:25:40] Yeah, I think so.

[00:25:41] Watch 10 hours of Prodigy and, you know, in a week

[00:25:45] so that we'll be able to talk about it and be relevant

[00:25:48] before it's all spoiled.

[00:25:50] I don't know.

[00:25:50] I watched a lot, you know, when I go on a binge, I'm like hardcore.

[00:25:55] So I don't know what you've been recent recently.

[00:25:56] We don't have to go too far into the rabbit hole.

[00:25:59] Did you watch one day that's like this like drama series on Netflix?

[00:26:04] No, I did not watch one day.

[00:26:05] What is one day it's OK.

[00:26:07] It's good.

[00:26:08] It's like I had like one tier off.

[00:26:12] It was so that's pretty emotional if you've had one tier.

[00:26:16] It was 14 episodes.

[00:26:19] 13. Oh my God.

[00:26:20] 14, around 30 minutes per episode.

[00:26:23] I heard my friends talking about the also good blah, blah, blah.

[00:26:26] I was like, all right.

[00:26:27] You know, I was curious.

[00:26:28] I watched it.

[00:26:29] I watched 14 episodes in one sitting.

[00:26:32] I got one.

[00:26:32] So I watch it.

[00:26:34] You're crazy.

[00:26:35] I think 8 30 p.m.

[00:26:37] till like 3 a.m.

[00:26:39] And I'm worried.

[00:26:40] What is like one of those things where I was like, OK,

[00:26:43] I watched, you know, five episodes.

[00:26:46] All right. Seven episodes.

[00:26:48] All right. We would 10 episodes.

[00:26:49] And then at some point it was just like, I just got to finish this and move on my life.

[00:26:53] So this one is not even showing up in this match for me section of Netflix.

[00:26:59] I don't think well, it's not.

[00:27:00] I don't think it's our regular genre.

[00:27:03] It's it's like a it's a drama series.

[00:27:06] So I do you want to give the.

[00:27:09] So if I remember if I finished bodies, to be honest,

[00:27:14] oh, I actually don't know if I finished bodies.

[00:27:16] Bodies was good.

[00:27:17] It got like I got like a little something about it.

[00:27:20] That was like, oh, I need to finish this.

[00:27:22] They are speaking bad.

[00:27:23] So I didn't finish it.

[00:27:26] So one day it's actually there was a.

[00:27:29] There's a film adaptation.

[00:27:30] It's based on a book.

[00:27:32] There's a film adaptation.

[00:27:33] I believe it was Anne Hathaway and Jim Sturges.

[00:27:36] And this is a Netflix remake of the the book.

[00:27:42] But the basic premise is that you have these two friends.

[00:27:45] They are they met in college and their friends.

[00:27:49] And it's about the development of their relationship,

[00:27:54] romantic relationship, but over the course of 20 years.

[00:27:58] And each episode is one day out of a year.

[00:28:01] Oh, I do remember hearing about this now that you've.

[00:28:04] Yeah.

[00:28:05] And I really like, you know, I'm not really into romantic dramas

[00:28:10] or anything like that or rom-coms.

[00:28:12] But I like this because it was interesting.

[00:28:15] The premise was interesting to me and I actually really

[00:28:20] appreciated that it showcased a very messy relationship,

[00:28:24] like a messy friendship that turns into a relationship

[00:28:27] and not to give too much away.

[00:28:29] But it's it's interesting where they kind of showcase how

[00:28:33] you just have seasons in life, you know?

[00:28:34] And sometimes one person is ready, the other person is not.

[00:28:38] And vice versa.

[00:28:39] And you have ups and downs and sometimes you fall our friendship

[00:28:43] back into friendship.

[00:28:45] And it's just very it felt very kind of real in that way,

[00:28:48] where it was just very messy.

[00:28:50] And sometimes the episodes make you feel kind of like,

[00:28:53] oh, that doesn't make me feel good, you know,

[00:28:55] because it was this very messy.

[00:28:57] But that kind of made it kind of feel a little more authentic

[00:29:01] in the way that kind of showcased it kind of showcased how

[00:29:04] friendships or religious or any kind of relationship

[00:29:07] can kind of grow and evolve over time.

[00:29:08] So I like that.

[00:29:11] And yeah, the acting, I thought the two leads have great chemistry.

[00:29:14] I thought that it was well done from a production standpoint

[00:29:17] because it's not like so they threw money at it.

[00:29:19] Yeah, I liked it.

[00:29:21] OK, so that's watching one day and three body problem.

[00:29:24] I watched in two days.

[00:29:26] So that was interesting.

[00:29:27] I know you've been you're still working through it.

[00:29:29] But well, I mean, I just started.

[00:29:32] I watched the first half of the first episode

[00:29:36] didn't really grab me.

[00:29:38] It's kind of confusing.

[00:29:40] Wasn't sure what I was watching.

[00:29:42] Really?

[00:29:42] You up on it.

[00:29:43] Well, at least in the first episode, I mean, you know, OK.

[00:29:48] Because it's from whatever call because I picked it up

[00:29:51] where I left off.

[00:29:53] Like there was a lot of

[00:29:56] the first half of it is a lot of Chinese stuff

[00:29:59] and you have to pay attention and read the subtitles

[00:30:02] and you know, yeah, it just wasn't grabbing.

[00:30:07] So, yeah, yesterday after I rewatched episodes one and two

[00:30:12] of Discovery, I was comfortable on the couch

[00:30:16] and I just picked it up.

[00:30:18] OK.

[00:30:19] By the, you know,

[00:30:22] halfway through the second episode, I was into it a little bit more.

[00:30:25] OK, OK.

[00:30:26] And yeah, because the beginning of it is, you know, there's deaths.

[00:30:31] There's you don't know any of these characters.

[00:30:34] You're jumping around the world.

[00:30:36] You're jumping time.

[00:30:37] It's a set up.

[00:30:39] Yeah, yes.

[00:30:40] Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, so it was just confusing

[00:30:44] and I really wasn't.

[00:30:46] I didn't want to work.

[00:30:47] I mean, you have to pay attention.

[00:30:49] Yeah, because they go through

[00:30:51] they introduce a lot of characters in the first episode

[00:30:55] and the time jumps you got, you have to be paying attention

[00:30:58] to what you can't just be like cooking and like watching it.

[00:31:01] You know, you really need to sit down and watch it.

[00:31:03] Well, yeah, no, you can't really.

[00:31:04] Yeah, because of the subtitles to but also like they also introduce

[00:31:08] us a lot of ideas in the first episode.

[00:31:12] Yeah, I guess like thematic ideas and whatever.

[00:31:15] So you don't even understand what the three body problem is until.

[00:31:20] Oh, yeah. Yeah, you have to kind of,

[00:31:22] you don't even know where the title comes from until the third episode.

[00:31:26] Right. Right.

[00:31:27] So yeah.

[00:31:29] So I'm into it.

[00:31:30] I'm part way through episode four.

[00:31:33] OK, I mean, it has.

[00:31:36] Happiest eight episodes.

[00:31:37] I'm happy it's eight episodes, so it's not a huge commitment.

[00:31:42] But and I promise that Rose on Chow is in more of it.

[00:31:45] Like there's more scenes later.

[00:31:49] OK, maybe that's fine.

[00:31:51] You know, I love on Chow.

[00:31:53] Take it.

[00:31:55] It is a nice throwback to deep space nine.

[00:31:58] So yes. Yeah.

[00:32:01] Yeah. No, I have.

[00:32:04] I put us watching.

[00:32:06] Well, I mean the bad Dutch and X-Men 97.

[00:32:10] Oh, that's when I seven. Yes.

[00:32:12] Oh my God. It's such a throwback.

[00:32:16] It is. Of it for sure.

[00:32:17] It's very much in the spirit of the original X-Men.

[00:32:21] I mean, I love how they recreated

[00:32:24] the opening title sequence very faithfully.

[00:32:28] It's yes.

[00:32:28] And the closing ones as well.

[00:32:31] Why don't we watch the closing one?

[00:32:32] Yeah. Yeah, at least the initial part of it.

[00:32:35] They show all what they show like that.

[00:32:36] Sorry, I remember now that they were different people and yeah.

[00:32:39] Characters and their abilities.

[00:32:42] Yeah. So yeah.

[00:32:44] Which is so memorable.

[00:32:46] Yes. Well, the music especially is.

[00:32:49] Oh, gosh. Yeah.

[00:32:50] The music is so good.

[00:32:51] So yeah.

[00:32:53] So that's been good.

[00:32:55] I am rewatching Babylon 5.

[00:32:58] OK, you know, I never finished the last season of Babylon 5.

[00:33:04] Well, so I mean, I'm I'm just into this into season four now.

[00:33:08] And yeah, you kind of I'm kind of say I have to savor the fourth season

[00:33:15] because obviously the fourth season

[00:33:19] from my perspective is when it ends

[00:33:23] technically, yeah, because they only came back with the fifth season

[00:33:26] much like much later.

[00:33:29] And it just feels weird because I want to start watching season five

[00:33:32] and you can tell it's like it's almost like they tacked on,

[00:33:35] you know, like additional story because they resolved everything with a shadow war.

[00:33:41] So it's kind of like because they had to because they thought they weren't being renewed.

[00:33:46] Right. Right.

[00:33:47] So and then suddenly they were renewed.

[00:33:49] And so then they came up with a solo story line

[00:33:52] and you know, or two story lines, which I didn't.

[00:33:57] Do you think I should watch it and go back and watch it?

[00:33:59] Because I just wasn't feeling I watched two episodes.

[00:34:02] I just wasn't feeling it.

[00:34:04] Do you think I mean, I don't know.

[00:34:06] I'll have to tell you when I get to the end of season four.

[00:34:09] OK, I mean, I will I will literally jump from the end of season four

[00:34:13] because now they've moved the finale that I know to the end of season five.

[00:34:18] So I will jump to the end of season five to watch the finale as I know it.

[00:34:25] And then, yes, for me, the biggest challenge.

[00:34:31] And this is true.

[00:34:32] This is actually true for all of like the 90s, 80s, 90s television.

[00:34:37] You know, I I was really upset with the death of Tasha Yar.

[00:34:43] I mean, we lost Dr.

[00:34:45] Crusher for a season.

[00:34:48] We had Jadzia, another favorite character of mine, killed at the end of season six.

[00:34:53] Sure. And so right in that same time frame,

[00:34:58] they commander of Vanova leaves the show.

[00:35:02] So she's a favorite of mine as well.

[00:35:07] So yeah, I love it.

[00:35:10] And and the, you know, I can't think of her name right now

[00:35:15] because it's not important, but the captain who comes on and takes over

[00:35:19] in season five is just not it's not a Vanova.

[00:35:22] It should be a Vanova, right?

[00:35:23] It's not no. So yeah.

[00:35:29] So yeah, but I mean, sorry, I mean, the second episode of season four,

[00:35:34] it is it's just one of my favorite stories.

[00:35:36] And I'm actually watching it with more of a critical eye.

[00:35:39] I mean, it is not, you know, it doesn't hold up visually.

[00:35:43] Absolutely not. Not visually.

[00:35:45] It was just yeah, it was cutting edge back then.

[00:35:48] Correct. But the storyline and the characters,

[00:35:54] the characters, the characters, the characters of Babylon five are just

[00:36:02] just the heart of this show.

[00:36:03] And right. And he's J.

[00:36:07] Michael Straskin. I never can say his name, right?

[00:36:10] Straskin ski has has pitched a new

[00:36:16] redo of Babylon five to your remakes.

[00:36:19] Yeah, or reboot.

[00:36:21] Yeah, whatever you want to call it, reboot remake

[00:36:25] and pick it up yet.

[00:36:28] So you watched the animated film that came out with the E-Lash?

[00:36:31] Yep, I bought it. I paid for it. I paid for it.

[00:36:34] Was it good?

[00:36:36] Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was good.

[00:36:38] It was probably it was, you know, it's an animated.

[00:36:41] So it's different and

[00:36:46] yeah, I actually preordered it because I at the time I was still reading Twitter

[00:36:50] and that's where he writes mostly and

[00:36:55] is very active.

[00:36:56] So he's talking about it, you know, or it would show up once in a while on my feed and

[00:37:00] and yeah, I preordered it because every every little bit helps them show the support for a reboot.

[00:37:11] So, yeah.

[00:37:13] Yeah, so yeah, I thought it was good.

[00:37:18] Yeah. And you know what I love about it to you?

[00:37:21] And he wrote about this a little bit was that all the surviving actors

[00:37:26] had to sign off on doing this project.

[00:37:30] So if even one of them said, no, I don't want to do this, then they wouldn't have done it.

[00:37:36] Yeah, it's interesting.

[00:37:37] I think we talked about this, but that, you know, the cast, so many of them have passed.

[00:37:43] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:37:44] And or if it's like tragedy or something like that, and it's odd, you know?

[00:37:49] Yeah, it is. Yeah.

[00:37:51] Yeah, really is so.

[00:37:53] Meanwhile, we still have our entire TNG cast, which I think is a miracle, considering like, you know.

[00:37:59] Yes. So yeah, for sure.

[00:38:02] Yeah, we're definitely blessed in that way.

[00:38:06] No. I mean, I mean, death crimes for all of us, obviously, but still it's amazing.

[00:38:12] Yeah, absolutely.

[00:38:14] Well, and William Shatner just turned 90 something or

[00:38:17] was just an RG.

[00:38:19] I don't know how does that 90 still kicking?

[00:38:23] So has a new documentary out this is.

[00:38:26] Yeah, I heard about it.

[00:38:28] I'm not really interested in watching it, but I did read a review or two about it.

[00:38:32] And it seems like it's interesting.

[00:38:34] I'm just not that interested in William Shatner to like watch a whole

[00:38:37] documentary about him to be totally honest, but I heard it's all right.

[00:38:41] Yeah. So yeah, that's a you know, we watched a few things here and there

[00:38:47] on Netflix and gone back and watched, you know, other things.

[00:38:52] So it's.

[00:38:54] Yeah, I can't. I need something new.

[00:38:56] I don't know what it is. I need something to watch.

[00:38:59] The gentleman is actually interesting.

[00:39:01] And I heard that's good.

[00:39:03] Yeah, I might give it a that's the other thing that's the other thing

[00:39:06] that I've been watching and yeah.

[00:39:11] Oh, and I've been rewatching Doctor Who when Matt Smith was the doctor.

[00:39:16] So oh, wow, throwback.

[00:39:18] Yeah. So yeah, 10 years, 10 years years ago and

[00:39:23] or longer than that now, but

[00:39:26] doing that and yeah, we have a lot of new TV coming out, which is great.

[00:39:33] I mean, it's great.

[00:39:34] You know, we have gosh, one of my

[00:39:38] so there's a bunch of things like Star Wars coming out.

[00:39:40] There's the Tales of the Empire coming out May 4th.

[00:39:43] There's the Acolyte coming out June 4th.

[00:39:49] And Doctor Who's coming out like May 10th.

[00:39:53] So, you know, for IPs that I grew up with, right, there was Star Trek,

[00:39:58] Star Wars and Doctor Who and Boba Lamp 5.

[00:40:01] Those, you know, so

[00:40:05] it's sort of a plethora of riches in that

[00:40:09] realm right now. So yeah.

[00:40:15] Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[00:40:16] You know, the occasional show here or there that Dennis and I watched together,

[00:40:20] but like Will Trent and things like that.

[00:40:24] But what's Will Trent?

[00:40:27] Like crime drama series on ABC Slashville.

[00:40:32] Yeah.

[00:40:34] So but maybe we should bring it back to Star Trek since.

[00:40:38] Yes, yes, we can.

[00:40:40] You can pivot back to Star Trek Discovery.

[00:40:43] Yes, which has new, you know, new episodes now.

[00:40:46] New episodes.

[00:40:47] We got two episodes to talk about.

[00:40:51] Yes, and under the two moons,

[00:40:55] the twin moons. Yes.

[00:40:57] Under the two moons, the twin moons, twin moons, twin moons.

[00:41:01] Right, right, right. Yes.

[00:41:02] So our our Discovery cast is back for the final season.

[00:41:10] And yeah, where do you want to start with these?

[00:41:14] Yeah, I mean, we can we can start with

[00:41:16] when it was our general reactions and then we can dig into this

[00:41:20] episode's want to do that. Sure.

[00:41:24] So, Mike, what was your general reaction to these two episodes?

[00:41:31] It's it's Discovery.

[00:41:34] That's my sort of general, you know, everything that's come to define

[00:41:38] Discovery is happening here, you know, so.

[00:41:43] Yeah.

[00:41:45] There is some comment like what the good and the bad or.

[00:41:50] I mean, mostly good.

[00:41:52] Yeah, I would say mostly good.

[00:41:53] I don't have any bad things to say about it right now.

[00:41:59] It's nice to see the cast, you know, the only bad thing that I learned recently

[00:42:03] through this goes back to the news a little bit is that

[00:42:06] Wilson Cruz didn't go back for any wrap up scenes.

[00:42:11] Yeah, I didn't know that until he mentioned it actually.

[00:42:13] Yeah, so I'm bummed about that.

[00:42:15] He was on location filming this new film of his that's coming out next month.

[00:42:21] Something about the bride.

[00:42:23] I don't remember what it's called, but so he couldn't go to Toronto for the

[00:42:27] research shoots. So I'm kind of bummed about that.

[00:42:32] He and Sinequa were in New York doing or yeah,

[00:42:34] in New York doing the all the promotion for it this past week.

[00:42:40] Right.

[00:42:41] So he had a lot on his Instagram feed for that.

[00:42:47] No, so it's very discovery.

[00:42:50] The first episode brings everybody back together, including Mary Weissman,

[00:42:54] which I'm actually excited that Tilly is.

[00:42:57] Yes, I'm glad she's back.

[00:42:59] I, you know, I'm sorry we never got to see her play.

[00:43:04] Even twice.

[00:43:05] We tried twice.

[00:43:06] I mean, that's why she I believe that's the main reason why she was

[00:43:09] so in and out of season four.

[00:43:11] So it would be nice, but yeah, it's it's nice to have her back for sure.

[00:43:18] Yeah, it's nice to, you know, and you get a lot of set up

[00:43:24] even so they filmed the whole season, didn't know that this was the last season

[00:43:28] and it feels very much already like it's the final season.

[00:43:35] Like this is the wrap up of the crew, even though it wasn't planned that way.

[00:43:39] So I like that, you know, so you learn that the pathway drive is

[00:43:46] one out over this four drive and that's kind of like.

[00:43:52] How can anything beat, first of all, it was kind of just like,

[00:43:56] I can't believe they just gave up on it because the sport drive

[00:43:59] can probably be any other drive.

[00:44:01] But if you you can instantaneously jump somewhere, how can that

[00:44:05] possibly beat out like any sort of other kind of propulsion?

[00:44:09] But it seems like they kind of just gave up on it.

[00:44:11] Well, I mean, I guess it was a competition, right?

[00:44:14] The pathway drive one out.

[00:44:16] I think also I think there was some reference as I watched it the second time.

[00:44:21] There's some reference to the fact that, you know,

[00:44:23] book is sort of responsible for it not being successful because he.

[00:44:28] Right. Because what happened with Park draw?

[00:44:31] Yeah. So.

[00:44:34] So that's part of the reason why it didn't.

[00:44:37] I guess I'm kind of like, all right, I guess, I mean, it's fine.

[00:44:42] Yeah. So so but you know, you you get a sense of where everybody's at, right?

[00:44:46] You, you know, he's struggling with legacy.

[00:44:52] And, you know, Mary Weissman is back, but it was great to see her like flirting

[00:44:57] with this other teacher, I'm guessing.

[00:45:01] Yeah, I don't we didn't get much information about him.

[00:45:04] It's kind of cute, but I don't know.

[00:45:06] Oh, yeah. I'm like, who is this guy?

[00:45:08] Yeah. So his name is Lieutenant Jacks is what I've been able to.

[00:45:14] Uncover, but that's all that we really know about him.

[00:45:18] Yeah. So yeah.

[00:45:20] So it was great to see that.

[00:45:22] It was great to see Adira and Paul and you together at this party.

[00:45:28] It was funny that Tilly like snuck off to talk to this other guy.

[00:45:33] So yeah.

[00:45:35] And then we, you know, we see Michael and the admiral beam

[00:45:42] into the infinity room, which is an interesting little thing.

[00:45:48] It's fine.

[00:45:50] So a white room.

[00:45:52] It's kind of like the construct from the matrix.

[00:45:55] I don't remember that.

[00:45:56] It's like when they when they do the training room,

[00:45:59] basically it's a white room.

[00:46:00] Oh, right. The training room. Yes, that's true.

[00:46:02] Yeah. So we have Kovic being very Kovic-y in this episode.

[00:46:12] And I don't know, have we ever talked about general thoughts?

[00:46:15] Are we talking about episodes?

[00:46:17] Sorry. Well, I started with general thoughts saying it was

[00:46:20] a discovery and started diving in.

[00:46:24] So, yeah. Yeah, I like seeing all the cast.

[00:46:29] I like the involvement of a Woshikun and Reese in the away mission.

[00:46:38] I love to hate the new captain Rainer.

[00:46:44] No, I don't mind him.

[00:46:45] No, he's just said, yeah.

[00:46:47] No.

[00:46:48] But I feel he always plays like a similar kind of

[00:46:52] Kermundzhi character, like.

[00:46:55] I am not so I'm not familiar with him.

[00:46:58] I can't. Oh, I only really know him from Battlestar.

[00:47:03] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:47:04] And I don't remember who he played in Battlestar.

[00:47:06] He was just one of the Cylons.

[00:47:07] He was one of the human Cylons.

[00:47:09] Was he? Yeah.

[00:47:11] I think he was like the he was a reporter.

[00:47:14] Oh, no, he wasn't Lucy Wallace was a reporter.

[00:47:16] He was like someone else.

[00:47:17] And then he was one of the models, the human models.

[00:47:21] Oh, interesting.

[00:47:22] Was the seven human models before the final five.

[00:47:24] It's been a while since battle.

[00:47:26] Yeah. Since battle.

[00:47:27] Since Battlestar.

[00:47:28] So yeah.

[00:47:30] I feel he plays kind of like a similar kind of just like very.

[00:47:34] I think he looks a lot like.

[00:47:39] Not Daniel Craig.

[00:47:44] I could see that a little bit.

[00:47:46] So that was kind of confusing to me at first.

[00:47:48] What he looks very much like James Bond.

[00:47:51] And I guess.

[00:47:53] And he's playing a character, a species from Deep Space Nine,

[00:47:57] but I don't know what species some random species that have

[00:47:59] like, I think one appearance or something like that.

[00:48:02] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:03] But they don't even know where which episode I don't remember from.

[00:48:06] I heard that too.

[00:48:07] But I didn't.

[00:48:09] It didn't it didn't bother me enough to track it down.

[00:48:12] But yeah, I didn't either.

[00:48:13] One of those like one species I didn't really have much to work off of.

[00:48:17] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:18] So I like the callbacks.

[00:48:22] There was some caught Picard callbacks.

[00:48:25] Obviously, the revelation that we've all been with, you know,

[00:48:28] that we knew about.

[00:48:30] You're talking about the chase.

[00:48:32] Yes. Yeah.

[00:48:33] Yeah, the chase.

[00:48:34] So yeah, that's interesting.

[00:48:38] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:41] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:48:42] My general impressions, I think we're similar to yours.

[00:48:45] So obviously, we can deep dive into red directive and then under the twin moons.

[00:48:50] But I think I'm similar, you know, I'm it's discovery,

[00:48:55] the good and the last good.

[00:49:00] I do think that they're giving the characters

[00:49:03] more of a character's time, which I think is good.

[00:49:06] It's not just, you know, I know we're talking about this back in December.

[00:49:10] It's not just the I feel it's a little bit less the Michael Burnham show.

[00:49:14] I think they're trying to distribute the time a little bit more.

[00:49:17] I still don't think we're going to get much time with the bridge crew,

[00:49:21] but that's given at this point.

[00:49:24] I, you know, I know they change the

[00:49:28] the I guess the format of this season,

[00:49:31] but it still feels kind of very much kind of like a fetch quest episode.

[00:49:35] Literally, I feel every episode they could find one new puzzle piece.

[00:49:38] You know, it's going to be puzzle piece.

[00:49:40] And then next the clue to next one, it's it's going to follow a few.

[00:49:43] There's going to be this formula.

[00:49:45] I we got screeners for episodes three and four, but I have not watched it yet.

[00:49:49] But I have an inkling that literally because by the end of the second episode,

[00:49:54] it's like there are four more pieces.

[00:49:56] OK, yeah, right.

[00:49:58] Yes. Now I was like, OK, so there's four more episodes.

[00:50:02] And then what happens?

[00:50:03] You know, so I'm going to reveal something else. Yeah.

[00:50:06] I can. Yeah.

[00:50:07] I it's, you know, I think the thing and this is what we're talking about

[00:50:11] when we are also seeing some of the previews for season five.

[00:50:16] I think a good way to characterize discovery is very.

[00:50:21] It's very bombastic. Let me just say that it's very bombastic.

[00:50:24] It's very in your face.

[00:50:26] It's not subtle. It's a subtle show.

[00:50:29] Episode one.

[00:50:31] That I think that my favorite moment is definitely the reveal

[00:50:34] that this ties back to the chase.

[00:50:38] And I did watch it with a friend and we're both we're both gasping.

[00:50:43] It was that was great.

[00:50:44] But I think most of the episode is like, oh, my God, it's just like you have

[00:50:47] your like down the speed race.

[00:50:49] And then oh, my God, there's an avalanche and oh, my God,

[00:50:52] like, you know, it's like another like, oh, my God moment,

[00:50:55] which is fine. But it is discovery, you know, it's like how over the top

[00:50:59] can we make it and help them bastard?

[00:51:02] Can we make it?

[00:51:02] And at some point it kind of loses its effectiveness, right?

[00:51:07] Episode two, similarly, like when Michael and Saru on a planet,

[00:51:13] literally this is a really long sequence of them trying to avoid

[00:51:17] the drones and them trying to figure it out.

[00:51:20] And I'm like, how long is this going to be?

[00:51:23] Because I literally fell asleep because first of all, I was tired.

[00:51:26] I was like, I watched it.

[00:51:28] That's your area.

[00:51:28] That was it was like by red eye day.

[00:51:31] So I was like tired, but you know, they're going to be fine.

[00:51:35] They're going to be Michael and Saru are not going to die on this random planet.

[00:51:38] They're going to be fine.

[00:51:40] And I just I was just like, oh, my God, how long is this going to have

[00:51:43] to drag out? And it was just like it was, you know, it was fine.

[00:51:48] It's fine. I am glad that I think the biggest payoff of that scene

[00:51:51] was Captain Rainer coming in and helping them to problem solve the situation.

[00:51:55] I like that.

[00:51:56] And then obviously that payoff by the end of the episode,

[00:51:59] but it was just like so long.

[00:52:01] I was like, oh, my God, is like the same thing about episode one.

[00:52:05] It's like, oh, my God, how long are we going to like race to the desert?

[00:52:09] And like, oh, my God, it's like whatever.

[00:52:12] So because we don't always come to Star Trek for that, like it's once in a while,

[00:52:16] it's fine. But I think we come to Star Trek for the character moment

[00:52:21] and like, you know, the character development and things like that.

[00:52:24] But again, it's it's to your point.

[00:52:28] It is very discovery, right?

[00:52:30] So yeah, I didn't mind the.

[00:52:35] The second episode as much. Yeah, I didn't.

[00:52:39] I just fall asleep. I didn't mind.

[00:52:40] I don't think I'm minding that.

[00:52:42] No, I actually am tired of things I realized was it was all very.

[00:52:49] Corcast related only like there was no extras really.

[00:52:54] Like that, you know, outside of the main baddies, which I feel like

[00:53:00] aren't going to turn into baddie or semi-baddies redeemed or at least

[00:53:05] malls going to be redeemed because now there's this connection with book.

[00:53:09] So OK, now there has to be some sort of attention mark for her.

[00:53:13] Yeah. So she's books family.

[00:53:17] So OK, I can see that.

[00:53:19] Yeah. Well, she's Booker's family, right?

[00:53:21] The namesake, not right.

[00:53:24] But his closest thing is the closest thing he has to family at the moment.

[00:53:29] Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, really from a relational standpoint.

[00:53:33] Yeah.

[00:53:35] Yeah. So yeah, I didn't I didn't mind the extended sequence on the planet.

[00:53:40] I actually surprisingly, I think I enjoy I did enjoy the planetary

[00:53:46] expedition part of episode two.

[00:53:51] I enjoy the, you know, it.

[00:53:55] I enjoy the banter between Saru and Burnham.

[00:53:58] It's very.

[00:54:01] Heartfelt and authentic, like it's a, you know,

[00:54:05] I mean, they have so much history.

[00:54:07] So yeah, they have.

[00:54:08] Yeah, they have all the history, right?

[00:54:10] So it's just it's it's nice to see that.

[00:54:14] And, you know, and they didn't mind that, you know,

[00:54:17] and I thought, you know, running around the running around the jungle was fun.

[00:54:20] You know, it was not running around the jungle.

[00:54:23] Yeah. I mean.

[00:54:25] So.

[00:54:29] Yeah. Let's see.

[00:54:31] You know, the the Adira, Tilly stuff was really good.

[00:54:36] And then Rainer coming in and like spurring them into action.

[00:54:40] Yeah. I thought that was all all all really good.

[00:54:44] So yeah. Yeah.

[00:54:48] Yeah. So I yeah.

[00:54:51] So we can get a little more into each episode.

[00:54:55] Yeah.

[00:54:57] Yeah, you want to talk a little bit about your thoughts on the first episode?

[00:55:01] Red direct. Yeah.

[00:55:01] So at first episode, the red directive, you know, obviously

[00:55:04] it had the job of, I think, setting up the season.

[00:55:07] So it had a little bit of that exposition as, oh, how long has it been

[00:55:14] since the season four finale?

[00:55:17] Where's everyone at?

[00:55:18] And to your point, I think it's also setting up the character arcs

[00:55:22] for the season, which I appreciated.

[00:55:24] You know, I think everyone's kind of in the process of figuring out,

[00:55:29] you know, all their situations or situationships like in certain cases.

[00:55:33] Right. So I like that.

[00:55:36] I appreciate it.

[00:55:37] You know, again, I'm glad that, you know, it sounds like

[00:55:39] it feels like Tilly's back full time.

[00:55:42] So that's good.

[00:55:43] But each person does seem to be on their own character path or journey,

[00:55:49] which I, you know, I appreciated we kind of have that kind of as a setup.

[00:55:55] I think, you know, I'm interested to see where they bring certain characters

[00:55:59] and where because it did very, you know, I know they didn't

[00:56:04] anticipate this being the last season, but I feel there are still

[00:56:09] hints of that, like, you know, like, because it was weird, right?

[00:56:13] Because there's still like their hints that this is going to be there.

[00:56:17] Like because even when Michael and Saru were talking, they're like,

[00:56:20] oh, this is like the last dance or yada, yada, whatever.

[00:56:22] Yeah. There's like these hints, like, you know, it's interesting

[00:56:26] that they have that.

[00:56:28] And but it seems to be coincidence that, you know, maybe maybe they thought

[00:56:32] it could be the last season.

[00:56:34] They didn't know it was going to be the last season.

[00:56:36] But there's definitely those foreshadowings that, you know, this is going to be

[00:56:41] some some of a send off.

[00:56:43] Yeah, I don't think this was done in the editing room.

[00:56:45] You know, I don't I think this was very genuinely put into the script from this.

[00:56:50] Yeah, no, I do too.

[00:56:51] I mean, it sounds like what they were able to go back and record

[00:56:54] is more kind of an epilogue.

[00:56:55] So wasn't yeah, it's not like that inserted a new scenes.

[00:56:59] So it's it's just funny that, you know, there are so many hints

[00:57:04] that this might be kind of their last journey.

[00:57:06] And to your point, like a lot in a lot of these situations,

[00:57:11] these characters figuring out their future, right?

[00:57:14] Maybe post discovery, like Stam is trying to figure out, like, you know,

[00:57:17] what his now that, you know, the sport program is shuttle,

[00:57:20] you know, has been shuttered, what his legacy can be.

[00:57:24] In case of Tilly, it's like, oh, it's like her last hurrah on discovery

[00:57:29] before she goes back to teaching at the county full time.

[00:57:32] You know, it's just like these things,

[00:57:34] Saru obviously leaving discovery and considering

[00:57:39] he and Terina are so amazing.

[00:57:41] I love their banter.

[00:57:43] Oh, my God. And it's funny, like, Terina was I was like, oh, my gosh,

[00:57:46] it's really like jokie, like, you know, because she was like,

[00:57:49] what's on your mind?

[00:57:49] Do I need to mind now?

[00:57:50] You or something? Yes.

[00:57:52] Yes. Yeah. It was really funny.

[00:57:53] Like they had their moments.

[00:57:55] But they're so they're amazing.

[00:57:57] But it seems like each person,

[00:58:00] each character rather is kind of

[00:58:03] thinking about what's next.

[00:58:05] And it seems like it almost seems like they're all going on to send off.

[00:58:11] Yes. Yeah.

[00:58:12] I agree. It just seems it is almost seems like it's by providence

[00:58:17] that, you know, like they set it up this way.

[00:58:20] Or maybe, you know, yes, I think I think, yeah, it was

[00:58:25] let's say it's by Providence.

[00:58:27] I wonder if there wasn't some

[00:58:29] or they're saying, yeah, maybe they suspected and they worked it in

[00:58:33] and didn't really tell the cast

[00:58:37] until that Zoom call that they did a year ago.

[00:58:43] So, yeah, you know,

[00:58:48] I like

[00:58:51] I like the additional, like the extra

[00:58:55] high. Well, I'm trying to get to a thought here.

[00:58:57] I'm talking it out because while you were talking, I was like, yeah,

[00:59:01] really like the Trina Saru piece, but I also like the,

[00:59:05] you know, dad moral

[00:59:10] aspect of Vance

[00:59:13] and how he is with Tilly,

[00:59:17] which continues from season four.

[00:59:21] So there's that, you know, that connection.

[00:59:25] And, you know, I like that they brought back Kovic's

[00:59:29] Kovic, Kovic.

[00:59:32] Yeah. So I just, you know, I

[00:59:35] almost feel like had this been able to go on beyond this season,

[00:59:39] I think we would have

[00:59:41] like we were starting to reach where we wanted to be all along,

[00:59:45] which was like this extended family of characters had

[00:59:49] more backstory and more action and more things to do.

[00:59:52] Like it was great for Reese and Awoshaqan to be on the way mission.

[00:59:58] And even though they got like trapped, you know, like, yeah, they got trapped.

[01:00:02] Yeah.

[01:00:04] So

[01:00:07] which is sort of advantageous because they never really knew what they were

[01:00:10] looking for. But then only Burnham saw the little puzzle box

[01:00:15] Romulan puzzle box, which kept the secrecy of the mission

[01:00:20] for longer, I guess.

[01:00:22] But but then you didn't see them again because they were in sick bay.

[01:00:25] So whatever, they got messed up pretty bad.

[01:00:28] And then you don't see any of the Bridge Crew in episode two at all.

[01:00:32] Like it's literally just the on like the title sequence cast

[01:00:37] plus a few guest stars.

[01:00:40] So no one everyone had week episode two off.

[01:00:43] Except for the main cast.

[01:00:45] Right.

[01:00:47] So there's that.

[01:00:50] Yeah, I just, you know, it's it.

[01:00:53] Yeah, I really do.

[01:00:54] I agree.

[01:00:55] It's all it's felt very foreshadowing.

[01:00:57] I have to say I'm hoping that the epilogue, this is one of my hopes.

[01:01:01] I'm jumping ahead, you know, and we need to talk about

[01:01:05] the the season thing at the end of episode one.

[01:01:11] Because there's some interesting stuff in there.

[01:01:13] But jumping ahead to this to this epilogue, I'm hoping that they

[01:01:18] sort of go back and like explain the short track where Zora is left.

[01:01:24] Oh my God, I don't know if I wrap up like I mean, maybe we won't.

[01:01:28] But I kind of feel like that's like almost a good place to end it

[01:01:32] because I feel like you just like discovery is going to go away.

[01:01:37] Like, I think it's going to be a good place to end it.

[01:01:40] Like, I think that's going to be part of the finale and maybe why

[01:01:44] this crew all splits up in the end, you know, is that they do that.

[01:01:49] But anyway, that's just a foreshadowing thought that I had.

[01:01:53] That'd be interesting.

[01:01:55] I don't think they.

[01:01:56] I don't know if they're going to maybe I don't know if they're

[01:01:59] going to spend the time to kind of tie it back to that short track.

[01:02:02] But yeah, who knows?

[01:02:05] But yeah, I try to remember how red directive ends by

[01:02:09] her learning the whole progenitors piece of the puzzle and which I have totally.

[01:02:17] The chase remains like one of those episodes where I thought it was a good episode,

[01:02:21] but I it's definitely one of those.

[01:02:24] Oh my God, let's drop a big bomb of, you know, how the mythology of Star Trek

[01:02:30] and that's never talk about it again.

[01:02:32] You know, it's it's like, oh, yeah, we all come basically every human

[01:02:36] species in the Milky Way come from a common ancestry.

[01:02:41] Next episode, you know, like it's just and obviously that's that's how it worked

[01:02:46] back then, but it's like, OK, some sort of follow up.

[01:02:51] So it's it's a worthwhile, I think, thread to bring back.

[01:02:56] That it's definitely worth exploring.

[01:02:59] But now I'm kind of just like, is it going to turn into some sort of.

[01:03:05] Weapon, you know, that's going to threaten every humanoid species in the Milky Way.

[01:03:11] Like I wouldn't be shocked.

[01:03:14] This is what it like to write.

[01:03:15] Well, you know, covid definitely like.

[01:03:21] Leans into that a little bit and like this is the greatest weapon ever devised.

[01:03:26] Like it's the power of creation.

[01:03:28] It's a weapon.

[01:03:29] I don't know. Maybe he didn't say weapon, but he made it.

[01:03:32] Is it some sort of technology?

[01:03:34] But in terms of how they seeded, I guess, all these planets or something.

[01:03:38] I mean, when so when that episode came, I mean, I guess, OK,

[01:03:42] maybe it's maybe something I'm missing.

[01:03:44] But when the Chase first, you know, when they kind of positioned this whole thing,

[01:03:50] I was like, literally they just seeded put their DNA, scatter some DNA

[01:03:54] on every planet and let, you know, let the evolutionary process do its,

[01:04:00] you know, but they they they basically created the process

[01:04:05] for which humanoid human beings and come into existence.

[01:04:10] But I feel there was this like jump from what they did to this

[01:04:14] like the greatest power or technology, you know, or whatever.

[01:04:19] I was like, how they make that connection when they don't really know that much about it.

[01:04:23] I felt that that was a that was a leap personally.

[01:04:28] Interesting, literally.

[01:04:29] I mean, you know, because there is this

[01:04:32] evolutionary theory where human like intelligent life, at least on Earth,

[01:04:36] came about because literally it's like an asteroid that like came.

[01:04:40] And then, you know, like there might be some

[01:04:43] might be some genetic material that like actually started life,

[01:04:47] you know, as intelligent as we know it.

[01:04:51] So that's literally how I thought about the paternitors,

[01:04:53] like they scattered some of their DNA and maybe that started it versus

[01:04:56] like this great technology.

[01:04:58] And I don't know.

[01:05:00] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:05:02] You know, we'll find out in episode nine.

[01:05:05] Apparently the way the way that discovery tracks,

[01:05:10] I wouldn't be surprised if that's one we find out. Yes.

[01:05:13] Yes, everything at the end of the end of episode nine.

[01:05:16] Yeah. So you literally have one episode to wrap it up.

[01:05:19] Yeah. So discovery style.

[01:05:22] Yeah. So yes.

[01:05:26] Yeah. So we get, you know, I actually went back and watched the chase

[01:05:31] and it was a enjoyable.

[01:05:33] Yeah. Well, that's good.

[01:05:35] Yeah. I mean, it's basically.

[01:05:38] It's basically the structure of the season.

[01:05:39] Like they literally have to go like, you know, hunt down puzzle pieces.

[01:05:43] The five piece.

[01:05:44] Yeah, these five puzzle pieces and yes.

[01:05:47] And assemble it.

[01:05:48] Yeah. And then what?

[01:05:50] Then what happens, you know, then what's next?

[01:05:52] So yes.

[01:05:54] Except that was one episode versus 10.

[01:05:56] So.

[01:05:58] Right. Yes.

[01:05:59] Exactly.

[01:06:00] In this case, what?

[01:06:02] So she learns.

[01:06:04] Michael learns the whole story from Kovic.

[01:06:09] And that's where episode one ends.

[01:06:12] And now we're under the earth and she tells him this is where

[01:06:17] the next piece of this puzzle is

[01:06:21] based upon the stuff in the book.

[01:06:22] We didn't even talk about Fred.

[01:06:26] Fred was a very like a.

[01:06:33] I don't know what we want to call it.

[01:06:34] Some type Android.

[01:06:35] Yes, is this yes.

[01:06:36] But like an Easter egg is what I was looking for.

[01:06:39] It's like a Easter egg.

[01:06:42] Really recognizable.

[01:06:43] It's a similar type of Android.

[01:06:44] Oh yeah. No, no.

[01:06:45] Yes. Most definitely.

[01:06:47] Yes. Absolutely.

[01:06:49] Slash since since as we might call them.

[01:06:53] Sure.

[01:06:54] But yeah, that was a nice piece.

[01:06:57] Although having a 600 plus year old.

[01:07:03] Since suddenly be killed in this episode,

[01:07:06] I thought was a little excessive, but.

[01:07:10] Right.

[01:07:12] These two mall and lock essentially killed him.

[01:07:17] I mean, they really did.

[01:07:18] They did kill him, not essentially.

[01:07:20] They did kill him.

[01:07:22] But you know, he's a he's an Alton song Android.

[01:07:26] I feel he could be repaired or something.

[01:07:28] I don't know if it's going to come back, but.

[01:07:30] Yeah, I don't know either.

[01:07:32] And he's kind of shady.

[01:07:33] So right.

[01:07:34] Definitely.

[01:07:37] Yeah, it's hard to know what triggered his reaction

[01:07:41] to the information that he got in the, you know, from the diary.

[01:07:46] But.

[01:07:48] Yeah, what he like what refused to give it back.

[01:07:51] You mean?

[01:07:52] Yeah, yeah. Like suddenly you refuse to give it back.

[01:07:54] That doesn't seem like how did he how does he survive

[01:07:57] 600 plus years in operating a business this way?

[01:08:01] I don't understand.

[01:08:02] Sure. For old tech, you know, he survived the burn, you know.

[01:08:09] Survived the time war.

[01:08:12] Right. What's true?

[01:08:14] Whatever is it?

[01:08:15] Yeah, all the time more or whatever.

[01:08:17] I don't remember what it's called.

[01:08:19] The temporal Cold War.

[01:08:20] Thank you. Thank you.

[01:08:21] The temporal Cold War. Sorry.

[01:08:23] I'm more as a doctor who thing.

[01:08:25] That's true. Yeah, that's true.

[01:08:27] I couldn't remember what Star Trek called it.

[01:08:30] Mm hmm.

[01:08:31] So yeah.

[01:08:32] But I thought it was a nice, nice Easter egg to see it

[01:08:36] and or like that.

[01:08:37] But they ultimately murdered him.

[01:08:40] So I mean, he's going to murder them, I suppose.

[01:08:43] So yeah, we'll see if he comes back.

[01:08:46] Yeah, I don't know if they have time for it.

[01:08:48] But yeah, I don't know either.

[01:08:50] I don't know how important the crucial it is to the story

[01:08:53] that we know what happens to Fred anyway.

[01:08:57] But that was a nice little piece of this episode.

[01:09:00] So yeah, anything else for a red directive

[01:09:03] that stands out for you?

[01:09:07] No, I think we talked about most of it.

[01:09:10] I don't know if the Molenlock are very compelling

[01:09:16] as antagonists for this season.

[01:09:20] They're fine.

[01:09:21] They're just kind of helping to drive the story forward

[01:09:24] and, you know, making a race or some sort of I didn't.

[01:09:28] I didn't find them particularly interesting.

[01:09:30] So, you know, we'll see.

[01:09:32] Nor did I pick up on what book picks up on

[01:09:34] as far as their relationship, which is what is part

[01:09:38] of the second episode, right?

[01:09:39] Mm hmm. Yeah.

[01:09:40] So at least there's some, I guess,

[01:09:42] a mutual connection to them now versus like these randos.

[01:09:46] Right. Yes.

[01:09:47] Well, there's a connection for book, right?

[01:09:49] Correct. Right. Right.

[01:09:51] No other connection.

[01:09:52] And the fact that Molenlock have a relationship

[01:09:56] not unlike Michael and right book, right?

[01:10:00] So I didn't I didn't quite see that, but whatever.

[01:10:05] I think he was just kind of, you know, like

[01:10:09] I think it was just he's probably missing Michael

[01:10:12] and their companionship and whatever

[01:10:15] Molenlock have kind of just remind him of that,

[01:10:18] like the freedom of the field.

[01:10:20] And before Michael

[01:10:22] before Michael, you know, the discovery came into the 30

[01:10:27] yeah, second, second century.

[01:10:29] I'll say thirty first, thirty second, whatever.

[01:10:32] But they because we don't know,

[01:10:34] we still don't know a lot about their time together.

[01:10:36] Wasn't there a book about it or something?

[01:10:38] Yeah, there was a book about it.

[01:10:39] I don't remember too much about the book,

[01:10:41] but we don't know much about their time together as like couriers or whatever.

[01:10:45] Right.

[01:10:46] They did their preferences, but about

[01:10:48] oh, like that time when the other Yada, but yeah, all of that.

[01:10:52] Well, this time when they're about to enter Fred's place,

[01:10:56] they're like in the past, you've seen them

[01:11:00] list the same adventure that they were on prior.

[01:11:03] And this time they they weren't in Sipataco with with that.

[01:11:08] They both named something different,

[01:11:10] a different experience that they've referenced.

[01:11:12] So.

[01:11:16] Yeah.

[01:11:17] And yeah, you kind of

[01:11:20] I mean, again, so they're on an emotional there.

[01:11:22] This is their emotional arc, right?

[01:11:24] So we have this is sort of what's drive, like what's

[01:11:29] which will possibly drive Michael during this season a little bit.

[01:11:33] Do you feel that their relationship is over?

[01:11:40] I.

[01:11:45] Do I feel like it?

[01:11:46] No, I don't.

[01:11:48] I feel like this is like important to

[01:11:52] the discovery mythos is that they are like

[01:11:57] they'll end up back together.

[01:11:59] OK.

[01:12:00] Do I believe like do I believe it's

[01:12:05] what is the word I'm looking for realistic?

[01:12:07] Yeah, I mean, they've grown apart and make sense.

[01:12:11] Do I think I think.

[01:12:13] Are they going to get back together?

[01:12:14] Probably because that's Michael's journey for the season part.

[01:12:20] Possibly.

[01:12:21] I'm losing my ability to speak, but I just, you know,

[01:12:25] I don't know.

[01:12:28] I just don't know how believable it's going to be.

[01:12:31] I think it would personally be I'm personally like

[01:12:33] it would be nice to kind of just see them maintain

[01:12:38] like a little friendship without going back to a relationship

[01:12:41] or met something romantic, because I do think that

[01:12:44] that would be more realistic because he did betray Michael.

[01:12:48] And it was for very personal reasons.

[01:12:51] It's not like it was completely out of nowhere.

[01:12:53] But still that.

[01:12:56] You know, he broke her trust, right?

[01:12:58] And he's back in some sort of good cases now.

[01:13:02] But that changes the way that you feel about someone.

[01:13:07] And even if you trust them again, doesn't necessarily mean

[01:13:10] that you love them the same way.

[01:13:12] I've never been in a relationship.

[01:13:13] I've never been betrayed.

[01:13:14] It doesn't matter. So I don't know.

[01:13:16] You know, I'm just like speaking from a very

[01:13:19] you know, heady perspective.

[01:13:21] But I think it would be kind of

[01:13:23] nice slash it would be

[01:13:26] it would reflect real life to be, you know, to go back

[01:13:28] to this place where you can just be friends and it's botanic

[01:13:33] versus it necessarily having to

[01:13:36] go back to something romantic, you know, that and they love

[01:13:39] they they can love each other in a different way.

[01:13:43] And maybe that's the journey.

[01:13:45] I mean, that that would feel a little more realistic to me, I think.

[01:13:50] Then just maybe a little messy, but that would be real, you know?

[01:13:53] Yeah, look at you. You're you watch a drama.

[01:13:56] You watch a drama in one day.

[01:13:59] And no, whatever.

[01:14:01] You're

[01:14:03] you're like all sappy about there.

[01:14:06] I mean, it's also it's also a discovery.

[01:14:08] I don't, you know, like I can totally see them just going back together or whatever.

[01:14:12] Yeah, sure.

[01:14:14] Yeah, I mean, we'll we'll find out.

[01:14:15] I mean, yeah, he definitely seems different this season, which I.

[01:14:21] I like that their awkwardness comes through.

[01:14:24] Like this is really well acted, you know, this is, you know,

[01:14:31] this feels real.

[01:14:32] I mean, it feels real that, you know, right?

[01:14:35] What happened last season caused this break and they didn't really want to reach out

[01:14:39] and talk to each other again.

[01:14:41] I'm not too sure on the why's behind that, but.

[01:14:46] Well, I think it's kind of like he is focusing on his his refugee project

[01:14:51] and she's probably just focusing on a captain without, you know,

[01:14:56] some interstellar threat and bringing down her neck.

[01:14:59] You know, so it's like you you you just keep in your own zones.

[01:15:05] Yeah.

[01:15:07] So episode two begins the fetch quest.

[01:15:11] That's one.

[01:15:13] Yeah, which I like that they there's this call back to the promelians.

[01:15:19] Is it say promelians from Booby Trap?

[01:15:24] You know, this is what this is.

[01:15:26] That's the planet that's the the promelians.

[01:15:30] I can't even I don't even know.

[01:15:31] Oh, OK.

[01:15:33] This is the same as Booby Trap episode.

[01:15:35] Yeah, so it's the same race that's they they just show their ship.

[01:15:41] The ship in Booby Trap that gets stuck.

[01:15:45] It's in the part like is he is about it and he wants to try to save it,

[01:15:50] but then they end up blowing it up.

[01:15:52] So it was the same race that kind of just fought themselves to extinction

[01:15:56] like through war that OK, so that's why that clip appeared in my Instagram feed.

[01:16:02] Yeah.

[01:16:03] So yeah, the whole escape from the Booby Trap, but I had no contacts for it.

[01:16:07] Right. Because when they were going through,

[01:16:09] I literally did some research because I was like, this sounds really familiar.

[01:16:12] They were kind of going through the different energy sources

[01:16:16] and sort of was kind of listing them off.

[01:16:18] If they actually go it ties back to Booby Trap

[01:16:22] when they're kind of like talking about the energies

[01:16:24] because they didn't use antimatter to fuel their engines.

[01:16:27] So if they use a sort of fusion drive, I was like,

[01:16:30] it's just I was like a very researched it.

[01:16:32] And I was like, oh, actually, saying, yeah,

[01:16:34] there's actually an Easter egg to OK that Booby Trap episode.

[01:16:40] OK, there's all the callbacks and deep cuts.

[01:16:42] I mean, yeah, exactly.

[01:16:44] This is a huge callback and one I did not pick up on.

[01:16:48] So this is great to kind of talk to.

[01:16:53] Yeah, because they literally it was a very specific

[01:16:55] because they were like, yeah, what kind of what, you know,

[01:17:00] what's powering these drones right?

[01:17:02] And yeah, or it's like during this time period,

[01:17:05] they use some sort of very specific,

[01:17:07] some specific type of fusion drive.

[01:17:10] And I was like, what is that?

[01:17:11] And I go with it and probably to Marie Alpha.

[01:17:14] So yeah, and then I made that connection.

[01:17:18] Got it. OK, I wouldn't have remembered the Promeleon's,

[01:17:20] like, you know, like if you just like mention it.

[01:17:22] But yeah, no, I wouldn't be there

[01:17:26] and was not looking for another enterprise,

[01:17:29] enterprise, another TNG callback so quickly.

[01:17:33] So. But OK, yeah.

[01:17:37] So yeah, we get brought to this planet.

[01:17:41] It's some sort of burial ground.

[01:17:44] And then Saru and Michael need to beam down

[01:17:49] but walk there.

[01:17:50] I'm not sure why they couldn't take a shuttle,

[01:17:52] but that's fine.

[01:17:54] They had to walk like a couple of kilometers to get.

[01:17:58] We haven't seen a shuttle in a while for this.

[01:18:00] But they have. They still have shuttles.

[01:18:02] I'm sure they sure.

[01:18:04] Yes, I'm sure they do.

[01:18:05] But there could have been a safer, faster way to get there,

[01:18:08] especially when they're racing and you know, racing against the clock.

[01:18:11] But here we are.

[01:18:12] So it's fine.

[01:18:16] I was like, yeah, I was like, why are they not using a shuttle?

[01:18:18] Like if they did not,

[01:18:19] the shuttle did not even occur to me. Yeah.

[01:18:21] Not at all. Come on.

[01:18:23] Literally, we're seeing that's a clock.

[01:18:24] Let's let's speed this up, people.

[01:18:27] But it's fine.

[01:18:28] They did it. They had to do their walk and talk.

[01:18:30] That's why.

[01:18:31] Yeah, I mean, it's their last mission together.

[01:18:35] Saru has made the decision to leave Discovery

[01:18:38] and to take a new role as ambassador to the smaller worlds

[01:18:44] or a coalition of smaller worlds.

[01:18:48] And he has to resign his Starfleet commission

[01:18:53] in order to do this.

[01:18:54] So

[01:18:57] his last day of work is on this one.

[01:19:02] This one mission, which is today.

[01:19:05] And I'm glad to have seen we saw President Rilke again.

[01:19:08] Yeah, I was assured he's going to come back.

[01:19:10] So and someone just pointed out to me

[01:19:13] very recently that the actress that plays her

[01:19:16] was on Man the High Castle.

[01:19:18] I don't I didn't even like register that.

[01:19:21] Never watched that.

[01:19:21] So I loved her character.

[01:19:23] I'm a man the High Castle.

[01:19:24] Oh, OK.

[01:19:26] Anyway, I was more intrigued in that scene.

[01:19:28] It was yes, I saw her.

[01:19:30] I was more intrigued by what species is the admiral to her right?

[01:19:35] Oh, I didn't know.

[01:19:36] So yeah, so very interesting looking CG character or whatever.

[01:19:41] But oh, yeah, you should go back and just look at that.

[01:19:45] Oh, I should.

[01:19:47] Seen and see it's three admirals on her.

[01:19:50] It's not even, you know, there's not

[01:19:53] there's not another federation represent.

[01:19:55] Wait, there was a CG with him going on.

[01:19:59] It was it was a being that is not humanoid

[01:20:02] and looked like it was probably just

[01:20:05] a like someone sitting there with a green calf on

[01:20:08] and they put a wall and and some hands to.

[01:20:12] So yeah, what?

[01:20:14] Yeah, all right.

[01:20:15] And so we watch it to her to her to her right.

[01:20:18] Oh, I'll see if Vance is to her left.

[01:20:20] There's another admiral next to Vance and then the admiral.

[01:20:24] Compliments to her.

[01:20:25] Yeah, no, I was paying.

[01:20:26] You know, I was looking at it and I was like, oh, OK.

[01:20:29] Jesus is there's no listing because they don't talk.

[01:20:32] So they're not listed as characters.

[01:20:35] Interesting because that's when I went to memory alpha to check out

[01:20:40] them, but I was already there because I was checking out

[01:20:43] Lieutenant Jacks from episode one.

[01:20:47] So I see.

[01:20:49] So yeah, I'm kind of it.

[01:20:51] Mm hmm.

[01:20:52] So yeah, it's nice to see her that yes,

[01:20:55] and the tone has changed in the federation.

[01:21:00] You.

[01:21:03] Like they're in peace time, so is this different?

[01:21:06] Yeah, yeah, it's different.

[01:21:07] Yeah, exactly.

[01:21:09] Also, just just to go back, have we ever heard of Red Directive before today?

[01:21:13] No, OK, that was one thing I forgot to mention

[01:21:16] when we're talking about first episode.

[01:21:18] We never heard of Red Directive before, and I don't really feel

[01:21:21] the idea of it was fully fleshed out either other than its top secret.

[01:21:26] I didn't write.

[01:21:27] And so also you learn towards the end of episode two

[01:21:31] that Rainer has been part of seven of these red directives

[01:21:37] and led four of them.

[01:21:39] So and what is a red?

[01:21:41] What is a red director other than top secret?

[01:21:44] Yeah, it's like the only other thing

[01:21:46] I could think is like Omega the Omega directive.

[01:21:49] And that's very that was outlined very clearly, like what it is.

[01:21:53] Right. But yeah, that was the you know, that was the whole thing.

[01:21:56] Yeah, so this is my yeah, there's something missing on the editing floor

[01:22:00] or it was never written into.

[01:22:03] No, it's very vague.

[01:22:05] Yeah, like it's super.

[01:22:07] Does it supersede the Prime Directive?

[01:22:09] I guess that's it maybe.

[01:22:12] Does the Prime Directive exist in the 32nd century?

[01:22:17] I don't know.

[01:22:19] I don't know. There we go.

[01:22:21] That is a good question.

[01:22:23] I would imagine that it still exists in some form.

[01:22:25] I mean, it's a good it's a good, you know,

[01:22:29] good prescriptions to go by like, don't dismissal.

[01:22:32] Oh, maybe maybe so suddenly I'm having a flashback

[01:22:36] to the first episode of season four when they meet the butterfly people.

[01:22:39] Was that a first contact?

[01:22:41] Like Prime Directive situation was the first contact situation.

[01:22:45] And I don't remember if they supposed to quote the Prime Directive.

[01:22:48] Yeah, I can't.

[01:22:49] That's the only other time I thought of it.

[01:22:51] I think that could possibly have been relevant.

[01:22:55] But anyway, so yeah, I was yeah.

[01:22:58] Anyway, going back to that was something that I just didn't feel like was.

[01:23:03] No, it wasn't clear.

[01:23:04] It wasn't clear what we're doing.

[01:23:06] But yeah.

[01:23:09] So anyway, but I did appreciate how in this episode

[01:23:14] you kind of get those bookends with Rainer

[01:23:18] and obviously his kind of like, I guess, as a hearing

[01:23:22] at the beginning of the episode and then he gets the boot.

[01:23:26] And then by the end of the episode.

[01:23:30] He becomes my goals.

[01:23:32] Number one, which I thought was interesting.

[01:23:34] Yeah.

[01:23:35] But yeah, I was just thinking that, you know, it's an interesting arc for him.

[01:23:41] And yeah, I'm kind of fascinated by where they kind of take his character

[01:23:46] right for the rest of the season.

[01:23:48] I mean, it's kind of the only thing about my own complaint is like,

[01:23:52] oh, my God, we need to focus on the character given that it's the last season,

[01:23:57] which takes time away from all the characters that don't really don't have enough time.

[01:24:01] But it's fine.

[01:24:02] Yeah, I agree with that.

[01:24:04] Yeah, I'm totally like, you know, it would have been great

[01:24:07] for Tilly to come back and be the first officer or maybe I mean, like

[01:24:13] I don't know if she did that one command or she was, I mean, she had a little bit of a down.

[01:24:17] But you know, just something, you know, it would have been nice to have

[01:24:21] or one of the bridge crew like Reese has acted as first officer

[01:24:25] best season.

[01:24:26] So, you know, could have given him a bigger role and, you know,

[01:24:32] yeah, so I can, you know, I do kind of agree with that.

[01:24:35] That was why I was confused that having two captains in

[01:24:40] like and introducing a new captain that was never really clear why there was this introduction of a new character.

[01:24:47] But yeah, I can just see him being like

[01:24:52] interesting foil to Michael, like, you know, which I think

[01:24:58] that's what my girl needs.

[01:24:59] He needs she needs someone that's, you know, a strong character

[01:25:03] and to what's through saying someone that's willing to kind of

[01:25:08] support her, but also have, you know, be able to stand their ground.

[01:25:12] And, you know, he so he's a good character to put in the role.

[01:25:16] I just kind of practically wish we didn't have another character to spend time on.

[01:25:21] That's all. No, I totally agree.

[01:25:23] I mean, that's our biggest complaint to discovery is that we keep on adding

[01:25:28] new characters rather than building on the ones that we've had for four years, four seasons.

[01:25:33] So.

[01:25:37] Which thinking about this, for some reason,

[01:25:40] brings me to the the season reel, but where I there's a picture of him

[01:25:45] sitting in the command chair, which thinking about that made me think

[01:25:50] when Kovic was on the bridge and they were crashing into the planet,

[01:25:53] he never sat down like there one he never left the bridge,

[01:25:56] which is fully understandable, but also he never really sat down or got a seat.

[01:26:01] And the one thing I feel like from discovery that you could really easily do

[01:26:06] is just add another seat on the bridge.

[01:26:09] Yeah, so it's like, I don't know why.

[01:26:12] Yeah, I don't know why there needs to be like one throne in the middle of the

[01:26:15] bridge. Like, yeah.

[01:26:17] Why can't you add more more chairs?

[01:26:19] Like, you know, basically every other bridge.

[01:26:22] Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[01:26:24] What, you know, I mean, Saru always worked at the left

[01:26:27] or Saru or Tilly worked the left, the station to the command chairs right.

[01:26:33] We never really clear on what the other station did or whatever.

[01:26:38] Anyway,

[01:26:40] actually, she bounced between whichever side.

[01:26:42] But anyway, I should have a chair.

[01:26:44] The XO should have like, yeah, the XO should totally have a chair.

[01:26:47] I mean, so why not just, you know, programmable matter?

[01:26:52] Two more chairs have three chairs like you have on the Picard Bridge

[01:26:56] and almost every other bridge and almost every other bridge.

[01:27:01] But also like give Kovic a place to sit down.

[01:27:06] And, you know, so yes, again, another small complaint about.

[01:27:14] Discovery, but yeah, maybe think of, you know, shouldn't shouldn't like

[01:27:20] the show didn't the show also has similar design?

[01:27:24] Like there was just like her one chair, like.

[01:27:26] Oh, yes, yes.

[01:27:27] Captain George, I mean, yeah, the.

[01:27:30] But that was that was like a thousand years ago.

[01:27:35] Sure.

[01:27:36] And also, you know, all the ships of that time had one chair,

[01:27:40] like Kirk's chair.

[01:27:42] That's true.

[01:27:43] Strange new worlds.

[01:27:44] That's a very like that generation type starship situation.

[01:27:49] That's true. Yeah.

[01:27:51] But it doesn't really make sense for the 32nd century.

[01:27:55] But anyway, anyway, a picky detail, but like, come on,

[01:27:59] programmable matter, like throw another chair up an observer chair or whatever.

[01:28:05] It's fair.

[01:28:07] Anyway, especially when you're crashing into the planet,

[01:28:10] like everyone should be wearing seat belts if we're going to crash

[01:28:13] into the planet and create this barrier to save the.

[01:28:16] I have a natural jamboner, so it's fine.

[01:28:18] Hmm.

[01:28:19] Well, theoretically, theoretically, and you know,

[01:28:22] it would be nice to see another 32nd century bridge just to see.

[01:28:26] I know, I don't want to get it.

[01:28:27] It's so much money for them to build another bridge.

[01:28:30] It's but it's not really.

[01:28:32] I mean, yes.

[01:28:32] I mean, with your air while you could totally like.

[01:28:36] Do it, you know, you didn't have to build a full set or you know,

[01:28:40] you could, you know.

[01:28:43] Anyway, it would be nice to see what a 32nd century bridge looks like.

[01:28:49] You know, but anyway, it's not going to happen.

[01:28:52] I highly doubt that it's going to happen.

[01:28:55] But yeah, no, we have to work with.

[01:28:59] Yeah, so.

[01:29:01] So we talked about the obviously the scene on the planet.

[01:29:06] It's taking them all the clues are now taking them not to beta Zed.

[01:29:12] Right.

[01:29:12] Bringing them to Trill.

[01:29:14] So obviously, setting up a Dura moment with Bray,

[01:29:20] we haven't switched in a while.

[01:29:22] Right, exactly, which you get if you watch the ready room,

[01:29:25] you see the preview and it's on Trill.

[01:29:27] So I haven't watched it.

[01:29:30] They're shorter now.

[01:29:32] They're they're a little bit more tight.

[01:29:33] So it's only like 14 minutes long.

[01:29:36] Oh, it's actually really surprised how short and like

[01:29:41] not so edited together, like with clips and all kinds of things.

[01:29:45] It was I mean, there were clips, obviously, but it was.

[01:29:50] Yeah.

[01:29:52] Yeah, you get the preview of next.

[01:29:54] Do they show Bray?

[01:29:56] They did. Yes.

[01:29:57] Oh, OK.

[01:29:59] Yes.

[01:29:59] And it references an experience from Deep Space Nine

[01:30:04] and Judzia Dax.

[01:30:06] So.

[01:30:08] Oh, yeah, whatever the transference

[01:30:14] experiences of meeting your previous house.

[01:30:18] Oh, when?

[01:30:21] When was the name of the episode, the DS9 episode?

[01:30:24] Oh, I don't remember.

[01:30:26] Facets? Is it facet?

[01:30:27] Maybe facets, maybe.

[01:30:30] But anyway, that that experience is alluded to in the preview

[01:30:34] for the next episode.

[01:30:35] So.

[01:30:38] Yeah, interesting.

[01:30:39] OK.

[01:30:39] Yeah.

[01:30:40] Well, I think it'd be good because it, you know, we didn't

[01:30:43] we haven't really gotten too much of an update when it comes to their relationship.

[01:30:49] So she said so sorry, they said who are they talking to?

[01:30:54] Yes, it is facet.

[01:30:55] It's the Jean Tara ritual.

[01:30:58] Yes, there you go.

[01:30:59] Yep.

[01:31:00] They specifically reference that in the preview.

[01:31:02] But who were they talking to?

[01:31:07] Who is the deer talking to when this came up that she saw they missed?

[01:31:12] They miss Gray.

[01:31:13] I can't remember, but I think it was.

[01:31:15] It I think I think a deer was talking to Tilly.

[01:31:21] Oh, OK.

[01:31:21] Oh, OK.

[01:31:22] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:31:24] So yeah, so yeah, we get to see what is, you know,

[01:31:29] we get to touch on an experience for a deer.

[01:31:33] Again, another main character getting some flushing out or more.

[01:31:38] Yeah, I don't feel we've been spending too much quality time with

[01:31:42] like she feels almost like tertiary.

[01:31:45] They feel almost tertiary.

[01:31:47] Yeah, rather.

[01:31:48] So I don't know at least since I mean, especially since Tilly is back,

[01:31:54] it's almost like.

[01:31:56] Right, because it was definitely Tilly's

[01:32:00] awkward replacement.

[01:32:02] Yeah, yes.

[01:32:03] Yep, especially in season four.

[01:32:06] So now that Tilly is back and what is a dearest place?

[01:32:10] Right. Yeah.

[01:32:13] But Gray is back and the John Tara is referenced in this step.

[01:32:17] So yeah.

[01:32:20] So yes, we're off the trill for the next

[01:32:25] fetch quest of a clue.

[01:32:28] By the way, I the the clue, the Romulan poem,

[01:32:32] whoever

[01:32:33] so Rue figured out very quickly.

[01:32:36] I was like opulent waters and shared mines.

[01:32:39] He's a better said.

[01:32:40] I'm like, how did you get from that?

[01:32:41] Like, yeah, I don't get the whole better said piece of that.

[01:32:44] Because there's like clear waters and shared mines.

[01:32:47] I was like, wow, you saw this really quick.

[01:32:51] So I was like, what?

[01:32:52] And I don't know that.

[01:32:54] I so it's opulent, which to me doesn't mean crystal clear.

[01:33:01] Isn't like it's almost like opal, like.

[01:33:04] It's not.

[01:33:05] Is yeah, it's like it's which is like the waters of Trill.

[01:33:11] So I don't know why I don't know why.

[01:33:13] Like, I don't know how to get over that word or.

[01:33:17] But that's sure definition.

[01:33:19] But you know, they promise all very quickly on the show.

[01:33:24] As we as we have seen, I mean, they figured out the 10 C language in 10 minutes.

[01:33:28] So whatever.

[01:33:31] You can go back.

[01:33:32] Yes, thank you for reminding me of one of my anger points of glass.

[01:33:36] Oh, my it's I was just it's just a gripe.

[01:33:39] I'm like, OK, it means this all this to do about the 10 C language.

[01:33:43] And you figured out in 10 minutes.

[01:33:44] Sure. Whatever.

[01:33:46] It's fine.

[01:33:47] But yeah, it's like it was just an example where, OK, I guess we're, you know,

[01:33:51] like this whole Romulan quartet poem that they like is suddenly like common knowledge

[01:33:58] or I guess I guess and like the back door thing, like all these things that you

[01:34:05] like are kind of like not really well known details.

[01:34:09] Certainly why would they know 24th century Romulan details like that?

[01:34:15] Well, I think that's the thing about this show, because sometimes it moves

[01:34:19] very quickly and I get it like they got to just move the plot along.

[01:34:23] But it's again, making these like leaps like these like logical leaps

[01:34:27] that I'm like, I don't know how you arrived at this conclusion from this clue.

[01:34:30] You know, like it's right.

[01:34:32] It just moves very sometimes the plot moves very fast.

[01:34:35] Yeah. And the the details are kind of sacrificed.

[01:34:40] Yes. In service of that.

[01:34:41] So service of moving the platform.

[01:34:44] Yes. Yeah, because they can just say there like, let's figure this out.

[01:34:47] But you know, there's you have two minutes to do.

[01:34:50] Yeah. But they did have a, you know, it does give them an advantage over

[01:34:56] Maul and Locke, right?

[01:34:58] Supposedly. So there is that.

[01:35:02] Yeah. A piece of it.

[01:35:05] Yeah. So anything else from this episode?

[01:35:11] Nothing. I mean, I'm sure there are more details.

[01:35:14] I'm sure they are.

[01:35:15] But those are the fact.

[01:35:18] But yeah.

[01:35:21] Bye, Saru.

[01:35:22] I'm sure. Yeah.

[01:35:25] One of the things I felt was missing was like a formal goodbye.

[01:35:28] Like him like walking, you know, kind of like the end of season three

[01:35:33] when Burnham walked onto the bridge and they were all lined up on either side.

[01:35:37] I feel like there was an opportunity to do that same thing with Saru,

[01:35:43] even if he was walking towards the view screen and like beamed out

[01:35:48] right as he reached the end of it.

[01:35:50] Yeah, I guess there wasn't like a goodbye of the entire crew.

[01:35:53] Yeah. It was really just him and Michael saying goodbye to each other.

[01:35:57] Yeah. Because that would have been nice to kind of get that from everyone

[01:36:01] because he's worked with these people for years.

[01:36:03] I mean, yeah. This is I mean, this was his crew for, you know,

[01:36:06] for the first couple of episodes of season three.

[01:36:09] Yeah.

[01:36:12] That's true.

[01:36:13] So for all of for all of season three up until the end before

[01:36:17] yeah, no captain.

[01:36:19] No, that's this is a miss opportunity.

[01:36:21] I agree with that to just have and I get like Saru and Michael

[01:36:25] have that history and that emotional connection.

[01:36:28] But I mean, he he has served as an entire crew for years.

[01:36:33] So it would have been nice to kind of get that with everyone.

[01:36:37] Yeah.

[01:36:38] But yeah, I guess I see a little as a missed scene from that from that episode

[01:36:43] was a farewell to Saru and a meaningful farewell from the entire crew.

[01:36:48] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:36:50] Especially since they're going to bring on a new first officer in the next episode.

[01:36:55] Mm hmm.

[01:36:56] So yeah, unless unless we see it at the beginning of episode three,

[01:37:00] which neither of us have watched.

[01:37:02] I know, which is fine.

[01:37:04] I didn't you know, I didn't really, you know.

[01:37:08] Having having an early screener will probably be helpful later in the season.

[01:37:12] But right now, like, yeah, it's fine.

[01:37:16] It's fine.

[01:37:17] I mean, I'm sorry.

[01:37:18] You know, the other thing too is with our screeners,

[01:37:21] we don't get the closed captioning.

[01:37:23] I know.

[01:37:24] Sometimes I love the closed captioning because I'm like, I don't know what words

[01:37:27] are saying because they are all made up words.

[01:37:31] But I love the captioning.

[01:37:33] Yeah, it is helpful.

[01:37:36] Yeah.

[01:37:37] Well, that wraps up our discovery premiere.

[01:37:45] Coverage, right?

[01:37:47] Yeah, I think so.

[01:37:48] I think that, you know, I guess we have eight more weeks of discovery.

[01:37:56] So that's going to bring us, oh my God, into June.

[01:38:00] Into June, yeah.

[01:38:01] Wow.

[01:38:02] Into June.

[01:38:04] It's like, wow, it's going to bring us into like summer almost.

[01:38:11] Yeah, I mean, it will.

[01:38:12] Well, yes, it will definitely bring us into what is it?

[01:38:17] April 4th.

[01:38:21] So eight more episodes, yeah.

[01:38:24] Yeah.

[01:38:25] Yeah.

[01:38:25] Wow.

[01:38:26] I was going to go by fast.

[01:38:28] Yeah, it will.

[01:38:31] I am glad that we're out of March.

[01:38:32] March was the longest month ever.

[01:38:35] It always is.

[01:38:37] So I'm glad that we're here in April and we're working our way towards

[01:38:43] warmer weather, although it's like undecided whether it will.

[01:38:48] I think we're just going to go from spring time though.

[01:38:50] Spring time is always like sometimes Joey, sometimes very nice.

[01:38:53] Like that's how it is in New York.

[01:38:55] I'm already over the cold weather and the coldish weather

[01:39:00] and just bring on summer.

[01:39:05] I guess I'm not looking forward to humidity, but it's fine.

[01:39:09] Well, I mean, you don't leave your apartment unless there's a social engagement.

[01:39:13] Anyway, so I guess sometimes and sometimes you don't even, you know,

[01:39:19] you have food delivered and don't even leave for a day.

[01:39:21] Oh, yeah, no, I can stay.

[01:39:23] I can stay in my apartment for days on end.

[01:39:25] And it's fine.

[01:39:26] Yeah, you're not a problem.

[01:39:28] Air conditioned environment.

[01:39:29] Correct.

[01:39:31] My environment where the ambient temperature is closely monitored and controlled.

[01:39:37] Yes, exactly.

[01:39:39] Thank you.

[01:39:41] All right, cool.

[01:39:41] All right, so I guess we will be seeing where the Discovery crew takes us in

[01:39:47] coming weeks and yeah, I'm interested to see where it goes.

[01:39:50] I know sometimes I can be a little bit down about Discovery and a little

[01:39:53] critical, but it is last season.

[01:39:55] So, you know, without Discovery, we wouldn't have modern track at all.

[01:40:02] And that's true.

[01:40:02] Yeah.

[01:40:03] I don't remember that for all of us, even those that even those of us that are

[01:40:06] critical sometimes.

[01:40:08] But yeah, it's just to see where this last season takes us.

[01:40:13] Yeah.

[01:40:13] And yeah.

[01:40:14] And I hope that the crew gets the send off that they deserve.

[01:40:19] I hope so.

[01:40:20] For our work today.

[01:40:22] And I feel like we'll probably see some of them in Starfleet Academy

[01:40:26] since that was the other detail that we didn't.

[01:40:29] Yes, we did not confirm, but it was confirmed.

[01:40:31] Now we have final, final, final confirmation that it's in the 32nd century.

[01:40:36] Right.

[01:40:36] So it's definitely and it's going to be in San Francisco.

[01:40:42] Oh, oh, OK.

[01:40:43] Yes.

[01:40:44] Yeah, that was I think that was part of the variety article.

[01:40:46] They're building the set and one of the things that you see out

[01:40:49] the windows is the Golden Gate Bridge.

[01:40:52] Oh, cool.

[01:40:53] OK.

[01:40:54] So all right.

[01:40:55] I'm happy about because I do not.

[01:40:59] I'm not a fan of the New Federation headquarters.

[01:41:02] It's just like it's very sterile and like very it feels very CG.

[01:41:07] It's just like all white or silver.

[01:41:10] Yeah, yeah.

[01:41:11] It has like very little personality.

[01:41:14] So it'll be nice to kind of go, you know, go back to

[01:41:19] my favorite city San Francisco.

[01:41:22] But definitely like, you know, the

[01:41:25] I don't know if they're going to be that's just going to be Starfleet Academy

[01:41:28] or Federation headquarters and have like some sort of station there.

[01:41:32] But at least the old stopping grounds of Starfleet Academy.

[01:41:37] So.

[01:41:39] Yeah, it reminds me of Star Trek 2009, right?

[01:41:43] Where you could kind of they could walk out of that main building

[01:41:46] and look at the bridge.

[01:41:49] Yeah, yeah.

[01:41:50] See the whatever I forget what the big ship was,

[01:41:55] they crashed through it or whatever.

[01:41:56] Like, didn't.

[01:41:57] Didn't are you talking about when the Narada?

[01:42:00] The darks.

[01:42:01] No, the Narada.

[01:42:03] No, no, no.

[01:42:03] No, well, we saw we see we see Starfleet Academy in 2009,

[01:42:06] Star Trek, when the Narada is like drilling in on Earth.

[01:42:10] Oh, right, right, right.

[01:42:11] Yes, yes.

[01:42:12] And then the drill falls down into the SF Bay.

[01:42:16] Right.

[01:42:17] Yes.

[01:42:17] Yes.

[01:42:18] And into darkness doesn't

[01:42:22] doesn't the vengeance?

[01:42:25] Is it into darkness?

[01:42:26] Yeah, I remember.

[01:42:27] Doesn't it crash into there?

[01:42:31] I remember.

[01:42:31] Oh, man, I wasn't once.

[01:42:33] Oh, wow.

[01:42:35] Yeah.

[01:42:36] Well, there we go.

[01:42:38] That's probably I can probably watch that and beyond.

[01:42:41] So yeah.

[01:42:43] Yeah, you know, I'm beyond.

[01:42:45] Yeah.

[01:42:49] Yeah, for some reason, I can't remember if the vengeance

[01:42:53] takes out the part of the bridge when it's crashing to Earth or not.

[01:42:57] I don't remember.

[01:42:58] I don't remember that.

[01:43:00] I mean, I know there's this whole scene

[01:43:05] with.

[01:43:08] With Khan and Spock.

[01:43:11] Right over the city or whatever.

[01:43:14] Yeah, but I don't.

[01:43:15] Yeah, I don't recall.

[01:43:17] It's been so long.

[01:43:18] I can't remember where the vengeance literally I just saw once

[01:43:21] that opening weekend in the theater and that was it.

[01:43:23] So I don't know.

[01:43:24] Wow.

[01:43:25] Oh, wow.

[01:43:26] And that was about 20 was that 2011?

[01:43:29] 12 or something.

[01:43:29] 12.

[01:43:31] That was a lot of bitch.

[01:43:32] That was a long time ago.

[01:43:34] No, yes.

[01:43:35] Yes.

[01:43:35] The fact I remember even like this in pieces is like it's a miracle.

[01:43:40] Yeah.

[01:43:41] So yeah.

[01:43:43] All right, cool.

[01:43:44] All right.

[01:43:45] Well, that's all we got for now.

[01:43:49] And yeah, we'll be back.

[01:43:52] What's the next episode?

[01:43:54] I don't even know what the name they released.

[01:43:56] The name they released all the names.

[01:43:58] All the names.

[01:43:59] Yeah, it should be should be a memory of the next episode.

[01:44:04] Janal.

[01:44:06] Oh, yes, right, right.

[01:44:08] So yes.

[01:44:09] So again, the report on that is that Janal is the name of the symbiote

[01:44:16] that we are going to do this.

[01:44:17] Shantara with.

[01:44:19] Oh, OK.

[01:44:21] OK, yeah.

[01:44:22] Cool.

[01:44:22] I'm not really spoiling it because if you watch the ready room,

[01:44:25] I mean, the name is there.

[01:44:27] I think, yeah, yeah.

[01:44:29] Interesting.

[01:44:30] Yeah.

[01:44:31] So in episode 10 airs on May 30th, according to the media.

[01:44:38] So, OK.

[01:44:39] Oh, my God.

[01:44:39] It's like Memorial Day.

[01:44:41] It's like.

[01:44:41] Yeah, that is.

[01:44:42] Well, how cool.

[01:44:44] Can we already talk about May?

[01:44:45] Just feel so far away.

[01:44:46] Ah, yeah, I'm not ready to talk about me.

[01:44:49] I'm going to enjoy his passion.

[01:44:51] But I'm going to.

[01:44:52] April chilly weather, which you also don't want

[01:44:56] because you want it to be July right now.

[01:44:58] So I mean, I would prefer.

[01:45:00] I would prefer like, you know, I want I like 70s.

[01:45:05] Just give me some 70s.

[01:45:07] I know what to wear.

[01:45:08] Well, 70s will be definitely July.

[01:45:11] It will be definitely be 70s and July.

[01:45:13] Well, yes.

[01:45:14] But so.

[01:45:16] All right.

[01:45:17] Yeah.

[01:45:18] Um, yeah.

[01:45:20] Well, we'll be back in a week or two

[01:45:22] to talk about some more discovery.

[01:45:25] Wait, what about our sponsor?

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[01:46:33] They also have this retrospect studios pure logic,

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[01:46:38] I don't know what I know that is.

[01:46:42] It says this gold like signed gold edition,

[01:46:45] but I'm not sure who signed it

[01:46:47] because if it's Spock, who is signing this?

[01:46:52] I mean, there are other.

[01:46:53] I mean, why?

[01:46:56] Zachary Quinto.

[01:46:57] So no, it does not say Zachary Quinto either.

[01:47:02] So there's only so many spots to choose from.

[01:47:07] Well, I don't even know if it's the.

[01:47:09] So this is this pin is a representation

[01:47:13] of the incredible talent of Kavita Mahara

[01:47:17] Mahara Raj, I'm sorry.

[01:47:20] Not be able to say that correctly.

[01:47:22] Well, as demonstrated in her piece, Pure Logic,

[01:47:27] this is a limited production run of 100 gold metal

[01:47:30] pins on a backer card personally signed

[01:47:33] and numbered by Kavita.

[01:47:34] There we go.

[01:47:35] Oh, OK, probably the arts.

[01:47:37] So yes, so head on over to fans.com.

[01:47:41] You can check that out on the front page of their website.

[01:47:45] Actually, it's on if you scroll down,

[01:47:47] you find the new releases there,

[01:47:48] including a Star Trek, Mr. Spock

[01:47:51] doing the hand gesture, live long and prosper,

[01:47:56] micro crew pin among a variety of other

[01:48:00] pins that you can get there.

[01:48:04] Head on over, put a bunch of pins into your card

[01:48:06] if you're going to spend more than much.

[01:48:08] It's not very hard to spend more than $30

[01:48:11] at fans. That's so put a bunch of pins in your card.

[01:48:14] You're going to get free shipping over $30.

[01:48:17] And if you use the code word truck geeks,

[01:48:20] all one word, all caps, you're going to get 10 percent

[01:48:23] off your order.

[01:48:25] And we want to thank fansets for being the

[01:48:28] excuse to sponsor of Deep State's Pride

[01:48:31] and the Trek Geeks Podcast Network.

[01:48:34] Thanks, fansets.

[01:48:36] And we would love to hear from you all,

[01:48:39] all three of you when it comes to these first two episodes

[01:48:43] of Discovery Season Five or you have tips

[01:48:47] and pointers or feedback for two podcasters

[01:48:49] who have just come back from three months off

[01:48:52] and you want to give us your thoughts.

[01:48:54] We look to you from you.

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[01:49:06] There you go. There we go.

[01:49:08] All right. Well, thanks, everyone, for joining us.

[01:49:10] We look forward to seeing everyone,

[01:49:13] hearing from everyone, whatever next time.

[01:49:16] Whatever time, whatever,

[01:49:19] like whatever way you contact us.

[01:49:22] If you contact us at all, at all.

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[01:49:28] Correct. Or not.

[01:49:29] That would be again, whatever, whatever.

[01:49:33] All right. Well, in the meantime,

[01:49:35] we'll leave long and prosper, everyone.

[01:49:37] Thanks for listening, everybody.

[01:49:39] Have a great day. Bye.

[01:50:18] Yeah.

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