STLV Recap

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[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, this is Andy Robinson, E-LM Garrick and Star Trek Geeks,

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[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Greetings to you, Trek Geeks, Trekkers and Trek enthusiasts all over the planet.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome to the biggest little show this side of the Alpaquadraint that Trek Geeks podcast.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I am your co-host, Bill Smith and I am excited to be here.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I am refreshed and back from Sin City or the City in the Desert of Fabulous Las Vegas,

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_07]: Nevada however you want to refer to it.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_07]: But unfortunately my baggage got sent home with me.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_07]: That's right my lovely co-host, the somewhat intolerable Dan Davidson Dan.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_07]: We made it.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: We made it.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It was weird flying out there without you.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It was weird flying home without you.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad I am your bad luggage, whatever the hell you just said.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It's great to see you.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I get in great to be here, baggage, luggage.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't care what it is.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm excited to talk about what a great week we had and it's going to be a great discussion.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Looking forward to it.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Well it's going to be great with the exception of the fact that you're here.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that's started early.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We're only like, wow two minutes in.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm starting early.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, two minutes in some odd seconds.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_07]: There's actually a timer now that we can do this.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_07]: Which is actually kind of cool.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_07]: You and I look forward to Vegas so many times throughout the year.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_07]: We talk about it all year long, we talk about what we're going to do.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_07]: We try to make it a little different each year.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_07]: And we'll talk about this more later, but this year I think we probably had the most

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_07]: touristy time we've ever had.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'd have to agree that based on the fact that we didn't have anything to do.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Which in some ways was great and in some ways I felt like we were busier than we had a bunch of stuff going on.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: But that's because we had a lot of people at our table in the vendors room and just had a fantastic

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: time.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We did get to walk around.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We did get to talk to people.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_05]: We were reunited with some people that we haven't seen in a long, long time.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a great week.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to lie.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: You know that I was a little nervous and had a lot of my mind before the week started.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And for the most part, I was able to put that behind me and enjoy the week.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm glad that I went.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm glad that you went too because honestly it, you know,

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_07]: now that you've been doing this for almost 10 years,

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_07]: it honestly wouldn't be the same without you.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_07]: It's weird to think that you've been going to Vegas now that long.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I've been going even longer than that.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Because you've heard me talk on and on and on about Vegas for at least 10 years.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just don't shut up about it.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, it's like, you've set it before your Vegas is your Disney.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: What Disney is for me, Vegas is or was for you.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So I can appreciate the fact that you like to go there a lot

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: and do all kinds of cool things.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Well, we're going to talk more certainly about Vegas coming up.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Certainly the difference this year was that we traveled separately,

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_07]: which was really good.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm right here.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so good.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm right here.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_07]: But you know, it's always great to have that trip and to see people

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_07]: and to have the table and to just be able to share our love

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_07]: of this thing, which I know is how we typically refer to it.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Almost makes it sound like the mafia quite frankly.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_07]: But this thing that we do, stay with you.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right?

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: God, a goal.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_07]: Bring me the gobble.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, that's an office reference.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Everything ties back to Star Trek at the office for me.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know what it is.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, we're going to talk about, you know, our collective weekend

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_07]: for the audio version of Trek Geeks this week.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_07]: We're going to drop in some audio that we recorded and site in Vegas.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Yep, I'm during Saturday and Sunday.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Doesn't really translate well to have just an audio presentation

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_07]: during a live recording of Trek Geeks.

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[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_07]: for today and wanted to schedule it for tomorrow.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's kind of after when this what I happened.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, that would have been a lot of people going,

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going down.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, we're a pill of dead.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Wouldn't get a chance to see, hello?

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Ooh, like early.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to talk more certainly about Vegas.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_07]: After we, of course, share a little business with America Dan,

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_07]: like that.

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[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It was great to hang out with them all week in the vendors room at STLV.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_05]: They had a metric ton of new pins on display at the con.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And you can bet they're good.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: They're all going to be available very soon over at fansets.com.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: So many great pins are on display.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I'd go like the 2024 convention exclusive poker chip, which has become a favorite

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: every year at STLV.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It was Nealix.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It was so popular to do that it was sold out by Thursday.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely amazing that it was sold out so quickly.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't worry though.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to have additional ones available on the website as soon as they can get them.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But I got to say my favorite one for the whole week.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Man was the lower decks Vegas exclusive pin.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_05]: All your favorite characters from lower decks were on the pin with that great delta,

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_05]: the lower decks logo and of course glitter, lots and lots of glitter which I will always love.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a fan favorite also and it's going to be available on the website at some point

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'll tell you what when it shows up on the website folks get it right away because this is

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_05]: sure to sell out.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I'm wearing it right here this lower decks Vegas pin.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_07]: It is amazing.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_07]: It is awesome and very glittery and you're going to want to be sure to get it and all the

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_07]: great new pins from Vegas in your hands.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_07]: Many of them are going to be available in the coming weeks on fansets.com.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_07]: But until then, you know what the drill is.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Head on over to fansets.com and put like 500 pins that they have available.

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[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_07]: That's going to be a pretty huge savings.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm just going to throw that out there right now.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_06]: You want me to put a big bill too.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, let's look at the positive.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Positive though, you're going to have 500 star trek pins from fansets

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: who does not want that.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I know I want it.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Still cheaper than most of the new collectibles coming up from CBS.

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[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_07]: We sure do each and every week they are amazing.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_07]: Does the work amazing does in Vegas?

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Certainly one of the highlights is to be next to them in the vendor hole.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_07]: It's always a joy for us.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_07]: And this year was no exception, that's for sure.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: No exception at all.

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It's great. We also had our friend met from section 31 supply on the other side

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_05]: who was part of the whole fansets gig.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a fantastic guy.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to hang out with him for the first time.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_05]: We had pins on both sides of us all week and it was,

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to lie.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It was pretty awesome.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I would have if I could take every pin and just like stick you in the head with it,

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't have had a perfect week.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that in a good way of course.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Because then you would have been showing all that great Star Trek swag all week long.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_07]: You're desperately trying to find a positive here and I'm not seeing it.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to say I could use the magnet once because of the play in your head,

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_05]: but you don't have a play in your head so that wouldn't have gone over well either.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_07]: All I want to do is start quoting Cousinetti from from Christmas vacation.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Can see the part in your hair right there. It's pretty big.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Kirk.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_07]: You and I arrived on Tuesday, which is kind of become our tradition.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_07]: We like to get in the day before.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_07]: So we can get a full night sleep before Vegas.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_07]: This year it didn't get screwed up by the airline.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you and I planned for every possible outcome.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_07]: We said, all right, even if we get there late on Tuesday,

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_07]: we're still going to get there early enough to get a full night sleep,

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, even if we get there Wednesday morning,

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, because of flight delays like happened the year at Bally's.

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_07]: We're okay.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_07]: This is the first year in a long time that everything went precisely as it should have.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It was it was awesome.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We weren't flying together, which wasn't awesome. It was kind of weird.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But both of our flights, both legs of both of our flights were

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_05]: flawless.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: On time early, no turbulence, great service by the entire crew.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was great. When we got there, you were wonderful.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You got there about an hour before I did. You arrived at the airport and you waited for me.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So I came down the escalator and there you were over in the baguette area waiting for me to come in.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we jumped in an Uber and headed over to the Rio our old home away from home.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And started a fun week of fun and frivolity, I should say.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_07]: You're using big words. I'm not prepared for this today.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm my, I'm my, my to-saurus right here.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_07]: That was one of the dinosaurs of the Paleolithic era.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't a paleontology something or other. Yes, absolutely.

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Intangible with that be Zeno paleontology?

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably. Yeah. They'd have a different separate deck with a dinosaur crew members are just like the, you know, dolphins.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Citations, dance. That's a certain citations. I could have corrected myself but I figured you would.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks. You know, barely brings up a great point.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Things might actually have gone smoothly because we didn't travel together.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I, I'm not going to lie. I think, Burley's right.

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_07]: This just means that you've cursed me because before you ever started going things used to go smoothly for me all the time.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I think we have to talk first about the Rio.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_07]: I want to mention last year first because last year, the Rio was a shitshow.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was an unmitigated, you know, crap fest to be kind. It didn't lay out.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_07]: It looked like the first convention after the Rio. I'm not so sure that they even bothered keeping

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_07]: the place clean while it was closed during quarantine. Reduce staff, you know, most of the restaurants

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_07]: were not open and certainly not open while people were there. They were only open on the weekends.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_07]: We arrived at the Rio, probably with, and correctly, femuron, the lowest of expectations,

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_05]: humanly possible. Is that a first statement? Not the lowest because I had seen some stuff online about

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_05]: what they had done over the course of the last year. So I was going in thinking that it was going to be

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: way better than last year. And it was when you, when you come right down to it,

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: it was way better than last year. Starting with the fact that those big circular doors at the

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: entrance actually work now, even though there's no revolving door, you can actually go into those doors now.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I arrived with the lowest expectations you would be possible. I should be clear about that.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_07]: As soon as you walk through the door, you were kind of greeted by the brand new lappelowns,

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_07]: the former ibar, which I'm still going to call ibar from here. I'm going to call it ibar forever

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_07]: because I can never remember as you know the name of the new bar. Yeah and a casino that is in

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_07]: the midst of renovation and the parts that have already been done, I have to say look pretty damn impressive.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they really do. And that new bar was awesome. I really was impressed with it. You don't

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_05]: have the stairs anymore. You don't have the ramp that was on either side or at least one side.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And also kind of like cut into the bar area. So you lost real estate to actually even be in the bar.

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It was great. Nice, very comfortable chairs and tables all the way around the bar. Did not sit

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: at the bar but there were a lot of chairs there. The staff was great. The drinks were fantastic there.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: All the new drinks that they had. And there was one particular bartender who we just loved. We

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: had a great job and he was very personal and was a nice guy. Don't remember his name though.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't remember his name either but I will say the drinks were overpriced for the

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_07]: pores they gave you. Oh, of course I were. Yeah. But that's for the downside conversation later.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Check in was probably the easiest it's gone. The rooms were fantastic. The new food court is a

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_07]: wonderful addition where things are vagus affordable. Which I think is an important distinction to make.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_07]: You know because there's affordable when you're at home and then there's vagus affordable

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_07]: because everything now costs an arbonal leg out there. The new Starbucks right by the Epanema tower

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_07]: was a huge upgrade compared to that cart system they had in years previous. They clearly have been

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_07]: putting money back into this hotel starting with the outside and then moving into the inside.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_07]: And it shows especially in the new renovated rooms which is the best I've ever seen it look.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome. They were very, very nice. They were clean. They were big. There was a nice big giant

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: couch. And we got two queens in our room because we share it when we go. It's just more affordable to

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_05]: do that. So we have the two queens. Big giant couch which could probably sit like eight or nine people

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_05]: plus it was a pullout couch. So there was an extra bed in there. Gigantic TV, clean everything.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Everything was clean in the room. The bathroom was already done nice. The shower was a walk-in shower.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It was absolutely fantastic. You look like you had never seen a shower like that before. You were

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_05]: very excited to see that three quarter glass with no door. That was kind of cool. And even had

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_05]: a little hole in the glass at the end so you could reach in and turn the water on without

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, scalding yourself or freezing yourself when you turn the water on normally.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_07]: I thought that was the coolest little thing. Like I just bought a new house and I've got a

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_07]: walk-in shower but it's got a full sliding door. Yeah. When I saw that sort of three quarter door

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_07]: in the little little inlet to reach your hand in and turn the faucet on, I was like,

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_05]: did you see this? That's like the Christmas. And you could like reach through and grab your towel

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_07]: that way if you really needed to. The nice thing is that there's not this big hole or window in

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_07]: wall to the bathroom so that the people where the beds are can see you drop in heat.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Great. Thank you because it wasn't a frosted window before. Yeah. True. It was an octagonal window

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_07]: and you could look right in and see somebody sitting on the toilet. It was not the best of situations.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't remember ever doing that. I'm going to be quite honest. I don't know if you did,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_07]: but I know I didn't. I've got plenty of pictures of you on the hopper. Let's just say that.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm getting it. Yeah. The rooms were great. One thing I will say and we made this maybe

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: something you were going to get into later. I'm going to say it again now. Real staff do your

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Fing job better please. Last year I lost about $200 worth of clothing because the

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_05]: cleaning staff just decided to take some of my clothes and get rid of them. This year

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_05]: you had something that was very important to the week and what we were doing with some other

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: folks. And that got taken out of the room too and disposed of destroyed lost or whatever.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Two years in a row that we've lost up in our room. I got to say, if it's not your stuff,

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_07]: if it's not the real stuff don't touch it. Please. I had a package of every labels which were

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_07]: named tags for the the newbie in solo travelers meetup which happens every year. We were

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_07]: partnering with Lambda Quadrant and the NX7062 transmissions to put on this event. We were

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_07]: providing the name tags which I got some avial labels. I marked them up in Photoshop. I printed

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_07]: them out of my printer. So they looked really nice. I left them on the credenza where the mini

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_07]: bar is like on the end because that meeting happens the Wednesday night I believe for these people

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_07]: get together and meet each other. I came back Wednesday afternoon and said, oh I must have left

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_07]: them down in the in the vendor hall. When back didn't find in there my backpack so I came all the way

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_07]: back upstairs. Tor that room apart. Yeah. No. Yeah, notice that our curtains had been opened. So I closed

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_07]: them. We got more towels. We got handsop which we hadn't had before. And the labels were nowhere to

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_07]: found. So it's not found them there go. Luckily that's the only thing because I mean our tablets

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_07]: route and the open, you know, I imagine it was picked up inadvertently and tossed. Right. And

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you just you just set it a second ago and what I don't mean to bash it's just probably the only

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_05]: couple of things that we'll have negative talk about. This is Las Vegas. Why on Earth would you open

[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_05]: those freaking curtains when you're cleaning the room or if you're opening them to let light in

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_05]: when you're cleaning why are you not closing them? It's 117,000 degrees because of the sun on that glass.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And we had we had our air conditioner all the way down to 57 all week long did not touch it and

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_07]: it never got below 70 in that room. Yeah. No, it never did. So I'd be at in these are the very few

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_07]: downsides that we had in our stay. The the the atrack, the things disappearing from our room.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_07]: Now, um, really that's that's about it. That's about everything else was well and I would say

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_07]: the quality at hash house is step down just a little bit. They're not using like roasted corn

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_07]: beef anymore. They're using like deli corn beef and they're hash. Yeah. That's it. That's the biggest

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_07]: change. And that may be a sourcing issue or whatever who knows. Right. But all in all, I was very

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_07]: impressed with the facility at the hotel at the Rio. I was very impressed with all of the changes

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that made the food at the food court was fantastic. It was very good. It was like you said it was

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Vegas affordable and they were like seven or eight different choices in that food court. First of all,

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't imagine I remember the buffet place that was there before and it seemed to be a never-ending

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_05]: section of the Rio where you just like it went on and on and on and on forever. This is kind

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_05]: of a nice, comfortable cozy location where you had seven or eight different choices of various kinds

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_05]: of foods to choose from. And we tried at least three of them and all of them were good.

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. And um, nothing tasted like it was, you know, frozen. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, before everybody would go to smash burger upstairs and I felt like the options were

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_07]: least on par with that or even a little better. I would agree with that as well. Yeah, the burger

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_05]: that we had, I forget the name of the burger place with the burger that was awesome. It was really good.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I forget it was cute little logo of like a bun with eyes and a smiley face but I can't

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_05]: remember the name of it unfortunately. Actually, I didn't have the analysis really.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It was good description because now people are actually picturing a bun with eyes and a smile.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I get all of you watching right now. I know you're all doing that. I could draw for you.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But I know that. Yeah. Sorry, the half dozen half dozen. Yeah. Well, it is a

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: middle of the afternoon. I do. I will say I do know that our good friend and senior producer

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_05]: of Trecky is watching right now at the dinner table. I might add because I just got a picture from

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_05]: mom. He's at the dinner table with his phone watching this very podcast. Hold on. I got to say

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you know, you don't have any. No, no, absolutely not. Oh, yeah. You know, you don't. Yeah,

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_07]: no, I don't have crap. Thanks, Kate. Hey, one thing I wanted to say also about about the

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Rio with the, with the construction. They're doing a great job dealing with areas that they

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_05]: are still doing construction now. Anybody who knows a layout of the Rio when you're coming

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_05]: from the impenetraint. First off, let me say what they did with Starbucks and that gives shop is fantastic.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The gift shop used to be the entire length of that wall and they cut it to down to like a quarter

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: and you can still fit everything in there and it was great. And then you have this gigantic Starbucks

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05]: which was awesome except from ridiculously understaffed. But as you walk away from the tower

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_05]: area and you're heading towards the convention, you're going to pass the cashier's cage on your left

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and there's all construction there. So everything was up with black curtains and tarps and everything

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: very narrow to walk through and they took all of the slot machines that were in that area that's

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: now covered and squished them all into another area. So it was pretty crowded around that area,

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_05]: but everything seemed traffic seemed to flow pretty well throughout the week and I was actually

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_07]: surprised by that. Yeah, agreed. You know, that's actually in their replacing not just the carpet

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_07]: but also the electrical and the data lines. You know, if you look peek behind that that curtain

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_07]: 's there, it's bare concrete and they're doing a lot of work. I think they're putting in new

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_07]: ceiling framework as well which I think is great. Probably upgrading camera systems since

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I would imagine that those were original with the Rio and now there's a VHS. Actually

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_07]: one picture every eight seconds or whatever it is that the banks used to do. But yeah, all in all

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_07]: the Rio used to be kind of a garbage hotel to me. Yeah, I would actually stay there now

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_07]: if it had a cheap rate for personal reasons. It would actually was not, I enjoyed my stay for the first

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: time. That's good. That's good. I'm glad to hear it. I know that in the past I've wanted to stay there

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_05]: because I was doing cosplay or something and it just is easier to be where all of the action is instead

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: of having to worry about taxis and ubers than there was one night. I don't even know what night

[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_05]: was. We got back to the Rio from going to dinner and the line for the taxi I've never seen

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: as long as it was. It went from the taxi stand location all the way across the front of the

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Rio around the side of the building. I've never seen anything like that before. I think it was because

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Pen and Teller got out. There usually after a big show you'll see a long line like that at a taxi

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_07]: at a taxi place and they certainly are a draw. If you've never seen the Pen and Teller show

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_07]: seriously you will be entertained more than you ever think you would be. They put on one hell of a

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_07]: show. I've seen them three times and they show you how other magicians and Vegas do some tricks

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_07]: and then they show you all the illusions that blow your mind and you're wondering how in the

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: hell can they possibly do that? I would love to see them at some point based on the fact that you

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: was in Vegas which is incredible. That's one of the things that I like about what they're doing

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_05]: with the Rio. The Rio is in my mind, correct me from wrong bill, you're a better Vegas than I am.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's off the strip. It's like the top, the top I would call it, which is probably wrong. I don't

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_05]: know if it's East West North or South. But it seems to be away from everything else and there's

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: always been discussion of whether or not it was going to be torn down because that's where a baseball

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_05]: stadium might go. But the new ownership has put a lot of money into it and it looks like it's

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_05]: there to stay and they're doing a fantastic job and I really commend the fact that they are

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_05]: making these improvements so that we and all kinds of other people have a place to go. That is safe

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and affordable and clean. Of course as our friend Hayley says, there's always a gold coast.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Go to the gold coast. I'm sorry. The gold coast? Wow, now say now you're going to get in trouble

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_07]: with that. She's going to be in trouble. No, I'm not because when we stayed there that one year,

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_06]: we actually did have mold and our bedroom. We actually did. That's true. I do our correct.

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Not to correct you at all but believe it or not the Rio is almost

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_07]: in the dead center of the strip. It's west of the 15 so it's off the strip by

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_07]: what? Three quarters of a mile or so. But the flamingo and the blagio were pretty much dead center

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_05]: strip. It seems that everything is close yet far and I get very confused as we're.

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Whenever we would get in an Uber to go somewhere, I had a slide to say, what direction we were

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_05]: headed in? I just looked for the giant Rio sign whenever we were coming back because it was

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_07]: very bright and pretty. Hayley says my room was super nice both times. Well next time that's where

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_07]: crashing that. I'm kidding. Kidding. I'm there you go. Yeah. So yeah so all in all good good

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_05]: good improvements at the Rio. The only thing that hasn't improved is it really still is a 37 and

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_05]: a half mile walk from the casino to the convention itself. That has not changed at all. They need

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: to put some freaking moving, moving escalators or something in there. Moving sidewalks? I'd walk.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah absolutely. I almost just spit coffee all over the camera. I just want to just be

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_07]: upfront about that. I expected you were going to say 37 and a half dollar cab ride to everywhere else.

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_07]: No no. Which is only partially true. It's only a lot of truth. 27. It's it's it's a long walk.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And especially you talked about it a few minutes ago. You have to walk back to the room to

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: start a part to see if you could find those labels. I did the same thing walking back down. We

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_05]: averaged. We averaged in Vegas 16,500 steps a day. Yeah. That first day where we were setting up.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_07]: We had considerably more and the day where we were searching the next day where we were searching for

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_07]: the the pack of the factory label. I want to say I had about 24,000 steps. You know because I

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_07]: walk back and forth several times. But you do get your steps in in Vegas. And that's good

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_07]: because you should get all the exercise you can when it's 111 degrees outside. That was the law I think.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I get it that creation has many conventions at the Rio, it is super natural. They do a

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_07]: couple of others. But August is not exactly great in Vegas. Did they just give us one in February?

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Come on. Yeah. I'll tell you what, I don't know. We talked about it before living in New England.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_05]: You're going to get the heat but you get the humidity and that's pretty brutal. But I'll tell

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_05]: you what, when you're inside an air conditioned convention center for three days and then you

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it literally is walking into a heat wall. It's like boom and it was especially that when we had our

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: kick off for the trek talks party over at the Delano, is that how you pronounce it? Sure.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Because we walked out of that. We walked out of there into the sun and the heat at like three in

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: the afternoon and that was just like, oh my god, I'm going to burst into flames right now.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It was so hot that the heat rash that we get every year while we're there started

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_05]: within hours of our arrival. Yeah, yep. I noticed it like two hours after we got there. Yeah,

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_07]: normally it's a few days in. Yeah. But Christina brings up a great point. It was cooler in Vegas than

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_07]: in Phoenix. I don't know how you do it, Christina. Wow. I could not do it. Not once. Maybe

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: that's why she was on time because it was so hot in Phoenix they really wanted to go up to Vegas

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: real fast. She got a tailwind. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was 119 on Tuesday after the con.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Berlis says that's that's toasty. That's about what it was with humidity and dirtier. Why

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_07]: do I? And then I came home to a tropical storm. Which is another story for another guy.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay. Yeah. I think that the vendor haul experience was not bad but this year was

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_07]: barred by a break in in the vendor haul. Yeah, which you know, some people got a vendor,

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, in land yard somehow at least according to the reports that got into the vendor haul

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_07]: it for in the morning security let them in and they stole about $21,000 with the merchandise

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_05]: of materials. I thought it was actually, I thought it was actually more than that because I

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_05]: one of the things that got taken was a giant framed picture of the enterprise,

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_05]: one of the enterprises with tons and tons of signatures on it that retailed for $28,000.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't see it again after that break in. So I didn't know if that got taken also.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_07]: That has not been reported by Trek court, Trek court, re posted a post there's a Facebook from

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_07]: one of the one of the vendors that was burglarized. Perhaps that was taken in addition.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry, these one vendor's total loss was $21,000. Gotcha. Okay. My apologies. So it's very

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_07]: possible that the total loss is could have been much more. You know, I've said it before.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's the first loss of Star Trek convention and you wouldn't think that there are still people like

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_05]: that. People are nice humanity sucks. That's my, that's my new mantra, I think. Yeah.

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. It's it's disgusting. Las Vegas Metro PD do have suspects in custody, which is good.

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_07]: That's good. I at least according to this update from the one vendor that Trek court

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_07]: reposted on their Facebook page, springtime creations was the vendor. But still, it's,

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_07]: it's a horrible story because, you know, how many tens and hundreds of thousands of

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_07]: dollars are merged or in that vendor haul? Yeah. And how much, you know, of money or whatever else,

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_07]: people's personal possessions, you know, I'm sure some vendors next year probably going to sleep

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_07]: in the vendor haul just to ensure that their stuff doesn't get ripped off. Yeah. Absolutely.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, you, you leave the vendors haul thinking that everything's safe now. I also,

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm to correct me from wrong a lot of the stuff that was stolen was stuff that had autographs and

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: things on it. I don't know to be honest, I thought I heard that when people were talking

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_05]: about it, luckily, fans that's who has several autographs on their table, they did not get hit,

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: which was nice. But I really feel bad for the people that do because you go there to make money

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and to sell your product and have scumbags breaking and steal stuff. And I hope that if these are

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: the people that are in custody, if they are the ones that are guilty, I hope they are prosecuted

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_07]: to the folks down the law. Absolutely. And we can only hope that, you know, either the merchandise

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_07]: is recovered or their insurance makes them hold, but what a horrible experience for those vendors

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_07]: who spend money right, who exhibit in that vendor haul? Exactly. It costs us money to be in

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_07]: that vendor haul every year, it costs fansets money. Everyone who has a table in that vendor haul

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_07]: including celebrities are paying for the ability to do so. You know what? That is actually a true

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_07]: statement. It is. It's a very true statement. Our dear friend Willow, Camp Kittimer, you know,

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_07]: longtime participator, made us homemade cookies and after that robbery, the cookies were nowhere

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_07]: to be found. So we're on or yeah. So at least they have good taste and cookies. True. That's true.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Because they were going to add one. I get that one. I think he brain is like two dozen add one.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. Yeah. They were just in the containers and everything. It's not like they took

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_07]: you know, the cookies and made off with with them in their pockets. No, they're right. The full

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_05]: containers. You don't want to have dirty pockets when you're stealing cookies. I guess. I don't

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know. Well, there was a time when I would have thought that at the Rio people having

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_07]: cookies in their pockets was the least-it-readjust thing. Now the Rio seems kind of upscale.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes. Yeah. Just posh. Yeah. By comparison. Yeah. Absolutely. The best thing to say about the Rio

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_05]: house. It's not circus circus. Well, I've never been there. I've never been in there. But you don't want

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_05]: to do a lot of bad things about there. We were joking. You were joking about at some point

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: during the weeks that I'm like, okay, I never need to go there. I'm pretty sure that if you wind up

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_07]: it circus circus, you're going to wind up on a list. The police check regularly. But that's just me.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_07]: All right. Point take. Yeah. Yeah. The vendor hall was probably the busiest

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that I have seen it throughout the convention. Since the 50th anniversary eight years ago.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty convinced of that because it was walled-a-wall and asses in elbows pretty much all weekend

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_05]: long. Yeah. It really was. We were wondering how it was going to be last year when we

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: cut back to the Rio, and we saw that a lot of the vendor tables, the way the vendor room was

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_05]: changed. Or it was changed so that the center of the vendor's room was pretty much all

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Trek stars to do their autographs and selfie sessions. Let me just the entire middle was

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_05]: changed completely. There were barely any vendors in there at all. Same this year. And I like that

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_05]: they do that because it takes away from a lot of lines blocking other vendors. If you're in line

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_05]: to get, like say, Chase Mastersons autograph and there's a line. And your vendor, you've got people

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't get to see your product because you get people waiting alone to get an autograph. And I think

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that wasn't a good way to set it up. It was a disaster like that at Bally's. I did not have a

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_05]: good set up at all. I think it's gotten better over the two years that the Rio was done at that

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_05]: way and I thought it was great. Yeah, you're right. It was ridiculously busy starting Wednesday when

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: people could start coming to the Wednesday night. Yeah. I mean we saw a fan sets table which

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: rightfully so because they're the best one out there. They had six people deep for like five

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: of waiting to get into to see all the different pens. And it was like that everywhere. I walked

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_05]: around a couple times everybody was busy. It was it was great to see and you're absolutely right.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it was a busy suspense in the 50th. Even on Thursday, the first day of the con,

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_07]: that vendor hall had a buzz and an energy. People were excited to be back because we weren't at Bally's.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't a strike year. So people could actually talk a start track and it truly since before

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_07]: it's in 2019, before the pandemic, it was the first year that everything felt normal. And by

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_07]: normal I mean the way it should be at STLV. That really just sort of made it right off the bad

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_07]: in STLV to remember. I was personally disappointed that we didn't have any content

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_07]: in the convention this year. I don't take it as a slight by any means, but we've been doing

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_07]: this now for almost 10 years. We've had panels each of the last three or four STLVs, depending

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_07]: on how you look at it one year we were actually an invited guest. And this year nothing.

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. I get it. But just to have something like that on top of really the buzz and the

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_07]: energy in the convention, I think would have made it a hundred times better for me personally.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah. I don't know how you feel. It was nice to have the break. Don't get me wrong.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_07]: But still I harbored the slightest bit of disappointment that we didn't get to

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: bother me. If bothered me quite a bit and I'm not, I'm not trying to put us up on a pedestal

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_05]: of pat ourselves on the back. We've been doing this for a long time. We're known and I kind of think

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_05]: that we're pretty good at what we do and we've had successful panels in the past and I know that

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: it was new people making the schedule this year. I know that some people weren't invited to participate

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: at all and everything. I get that. I missed it. It I loved you know like the Stump the Geek panel

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that we did last year or something that stands out. I thought it was so much fun and then the

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_05]: year that we had Billingsley show up on stage, crash our our panel that we were doing. It's a lot

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_05]: of fun. I did like the break of not having to get my mind ready for it and prepare for it because

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_05]: even though we're just sitting there talking you do have to you have to psych yourself up because

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_05]: you're going to be sitting on a stage and hundreds of eyes are going to be looking at you and

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_05]: you can be a little daunting at times. With that being said, I'm glad that we had a lot of people

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_05]: from the network that were able to do stuff and have panels and were unbelievably successful with them.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It was great to see Lori up on stage to me from the sisters up on stage doing an incredible

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_05]: interview with David Jail on Sinequa Martin Green on Sunday and it was good to see that representation.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Not only did we not have anything to do from a convention standpoint Bill besides just being the

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: vendorism meeting fans, meeting listeners, meeting friends, reuniting with family. We didn't have

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_05]: our party. That was probably the biggest bummer of the entire time that we were out in Vegas last week.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah it really was. I wanted to double back before I come back to the no pardon thing for a second.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_07]: I can't tell you how incredibly proud I am of our sci-fi systems who completely took their

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_07]: little corner of the vendor hall and lit it up like it was the place to be. They had their own booth,

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_07]: they had their own merch, they were killing it over there, they had all kinds of people stopped by

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_07]: but on top of it like you mentioned Tamia and her main stage panel with Sinequa and David,

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_07]: you and I have never done a main stage panel. I was the tiniest bit envious. I was immensely proud.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_07]: And she, I got to say Tamia, you held it absolutely. Really, you really took that conversation

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_07]: to a different level. A level that, you know, certainly creation has never been able to do before

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_07]: and I'm so happy that you got to have that moment because you really just shined.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_05]: She really did. We didn't get to see it but we heard all kinds of people tie so high.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I was waiting in line for Shia at there. Oh that's right. You weren't, yeah that's right.

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not get to see it but everybody was coming in talking about it. That's right. I forgot

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you did get to see it. What was incredible is we were over at the sci-fi system's table

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_05]: while that was wrapping up after it finished. And Tamia came up to the table and when she did,

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_05]: the whole place around their table erupted into applause and cheers and I really think it took

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_05]: or by surprise. It was amazing. She is awesome. I'm going to say right now, Bill, we've talked about it

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: privately. Having the sci-fi sisters join our trekking's family is probably the best decision

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_05]: we have ever made for the network. Every single one of our shows that we have on the network is fantastic.

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_05]: There's something special. I love all of them so much. They are so fun to be around and to be with

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and their passion is infectious and I'm glad that they got to have their spotlight this

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: con and I hope it continues in future cons as well. And it's just a joy you can't contain from them.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_07]: Nor should you try because it's infectious. If you don't subscribe to their YouTube channel,

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_07]: they're doing some exciting things over there with sci-fi sisters ink. Obviously,

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_07]: they're audio podcasts still and forever a part of the trekgeeks network. They're live stuff

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_07]: and their video shows that they're adding from other contributors are absolutely top shelf.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_07]: So you should absolutely check them out on their YouTube channel. I can agree with this,

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_07]: everything is much better than for our kids. That's bullshit. Circus circus is much better than

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_05]: for our kids. Wow, it's a little funny. Okay, thanks guys. Appreciate it. Going back to the

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_07]: fact that there was no party. That probably was the most intense bummer. Easily. But

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_07]: we tried not to languish in that too much because we really could have let that sort of

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_07]: take our weekend down on notch. We could have been depressed all weekend long. Because I know you've

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_07]: looked forward to that in particular the last several years. And in fact, last year you said

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_07]: it was the only thing that kept you wanting to go to STLV this year. It was one of the only things

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_07]: kept you wanting to go to STLV. So the fact that we didn't have it was a bummer. However,

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_07]: down there were folks who made probably one of the kindest gestures towards us. And I know

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_07]: that this is the kind of thing that you want to talk about at length. In fact, he's reaching for it

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_07]: now. Mine is downstairs but I know you want to talk about this at length. Mine is downstairs,

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'll let you take it from here. I don't know how to even start with this. We were bummed out.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been under tremendous amount of pressure and stress lately with my company lay off and looking

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_05]: for a new job. I didn't even think I was going to go to STLV. I talked to you days before answer

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't go. I just can't do it. And we talked and I decided to go. I had some tough days,

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: but I'm glad I went. But not having the party was something to just add odd and added onto that

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: to that stress. And I'm known to us, Kaylee, our dear friend Kaylee did some stuff and got in contact

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_05]: through Camp Kidmer and our dear Admin's Haley and Jackie helped her out with putting together

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_05]: something for you and I. And this is amazing. It's just a little, it's a little, a little

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: picture scrapbook with pictures from people in Camp Kidmer and our, all our friends and people

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: that we love so much. And they put this together both for you and I. Now this, this great,

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_05]: this is all, this is all hand done by Kaylee. All of the stripes for the Rio. All of the,

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_05]: this looks just like our party pin that we had this year did this all by hand. And people sent

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_05]: pictures and sent messages. And then once we were presented with these, people came up to the

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_05]: table to sign their own comments. And this is something that I will treasure forever. And it's going

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_05]: to sit right there all the time on my Star Trek bookshelf because the amount of love that went into

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_05]: this is something that I don't know if I can ever really put into words. And I would like anybody who

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_05]: is part of Camp Kidmer or Patreon. If you were not at Vegas, if you want to contribute to doing

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_05]: this for Bill and I, I'd be more than happy to add your stuff to it. So if you can see here

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_05]: for people who are actually watching, people, there were some ones that were just printed out

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_05]: and attached by glue or whatever onto a particular picture. Email me your comments to DanetTrackeex.com

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and I will be happy to add your comments to this book because it's something that I want to,

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to fill up and build because it meant more than I can possibly tell everybody.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_07]: And beyond that, the only time it's not going to be your shelf is when you bring it to Vegas next

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_07]: time you're there, right? Which I will do the same. And I think we're going to make this sort of

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_07]: when I got mine and I'm sure you did when you got yours because it's just a great demonstration

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_07]: of the community that we've built with you all as partners because we don't just do this alone.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_07]: We can't do any of this without all of you. And it was probably the highlight of the weekend for

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_05]: me quite frankly. It really was, it was amazing. I should say that we didn't know. We kind of had

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_05]: idea that something was going on but we had no idea because there was a post on Camp Kitimer

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_05]: a few weeks prior from Hayley that said, hey everybody check your, check your messages. So I'm like,

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_05]: is everything okay? Because I didn't get a message. Is there a problem? She's like, no,

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_05]: everything's fine. I'm just testing something out or something along those lines. I didn't think anything

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: of it. But that was a secret uh, chat and camp Kitimer that they all put together so that they could

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_05]: plan this. And they did it in like two weeks just absolutely amazing. And it actually shows that

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_05]: the people that took the time to send the pictures so that we made into two thick books. This is like

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_05]: 50, 60 pages thick. Um, it is is really incredible. So not only that um Hayley's being a smart ass.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Not only that um the people people knew that I was having a tough time. I got to give special

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_05]: props while we're talking about this this fantastic scrapbook. I got to give props to people like

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Willow for the care packages that she gave us including those cookies that we're already talked about.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: And especially to Sarah and Andy who were unbelievably gracious with their time and support when

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I was having a particularly bad day. And I, and I get this thing in my hand right here. And it's

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_05]: a fidget thing that Sarah made just because I'm always fidgeting around when we're sitting here recording.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_05]: She took the time to make this for me. It's got rice and it's got a little marble in the center.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Frick and thing. I'm always trying to feel the marble by getting it by itself. And it's always

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_05]: a little tricky, but I love it. That friendship and that bond that we have made with people is

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_05]: why I love doing this podcast and why I love going to Vegas and why I need to go to Vegas every

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_07]: year. Um, it was just it was it was very, very special. It um it really was. I am every year. I'm kind

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_07]: of re-energized. I've talked about this more than a few times. Vegas gets me going to do this for

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_07]: another year, right? You know, you would kind of, I kind of look at Vegas as our super bowl of sorts.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's the end of our season. We get re-energized to do this again and it carries us through

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_07]: right into the next year and into spring times. By the time we get to some of our

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_07]: total Vegas mode and I there hasn't been a Vegas that's ever been like this one on so many levels.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_07]: It's probably for me as among my favorite trips to Vegas of all time for this con because it truly

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_07]: meant that much to me. I'm glad that I'm glad we went. I'm glad you got to go

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_07]: despite everything I've told people in public.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Um, can I don't know if you see the ticker below this just in? Yeah. Our thoughts are worse than

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_05]: circus circus verified. Yeah. You can suck it. I forgot to mention Kaylia and my in my

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_05]: talk just a minute ago. She and Jay, they're the definition of why I love the Star Trek family.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_05]: They care. They're there for you when you need them. They were just phenomenal. So I just got to

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_05]: thank all the people that came up and gave me words of encouragement. And this freaking I cannot

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I cannot talk about that enough and how awesome that that book is that everybody put together just

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_07]: amazing. Yeah, it really is cool. As I said, we're bringing them next time. So yeah, absolutely

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_07]: are you know and more knows we have plenty of pens in our booth. Usually we do. And next year

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going to have more. Well, I'm going to bring like a thousand next year. I'm just going

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_05]: to say that right now. Oh, my thousand. Yes. Yeah, I wasn't pens. That way we can put out more than just

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_05]: like it doesn't at a time because we have to make sure that we don't run out which we did and I still

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_07]: have like 10. I grabbed 10 off the table because I've never taken a pen. Well, you should they're pretty

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_07]: awesome. Fans. Well, the guy orders him a bit of a jerk but yeah, but he does good pants. The company

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_07]: that makes them does good pens. He makes moderately okay decisions. Yeah, I see I've totally lost my

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_07]: turn of thought because now I'm thinking about pens which leads me to pins which leads me do the box

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_07]: on your impact yesterday that has nothing but fans that's pins in it. Let me tell you that box is

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_07]: friggin heavy. I we got to do touristy things this year. We did we we had of course some great

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_07]: meals. We do an annual dinner at Gordon Ramsay's steak at Paris Las Vegas over here that

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_07]: never disappoints you actually skipped it last year to go to a show that you've always wanted to go

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_07]: to but this year was I don't think I've laughed that much in a long, long time and I'm not sure you

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_05]: did either. Hey buddy. Hey buddy. Long story. Not gonna get into it. Yeah we can't get into it but

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_07]: it's always such a great group of friends that we get to have that dinner with every year. Yeah

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_07]: and then the other following night we actually went to a show. Yes we did. Which we've never done so

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_07]: never done it before. Yeah I asked you and I asked our you know or our dear friend and travel

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_07]: companion Chris Mumfrey who's at our booth with us pretty much all weekend long all the time.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_07]: If we wanted to go see a show and I picked actually a burlesque show because I've never seen

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_07]: a classic you know a sort of Vegas style burlesque show and we went to one at Flamingo called

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Xperlesque and it was a great time partly because of the artistry and the choreography but

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_07]: the comedian that was in between sets. Yeah she was great. It was fantastic but it was a great

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: great show. I'm glad I picked it. It really was a great show that the I just cannot get over the

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_05]: athleticism of those ladies they are just amazing to watch and there was one particular aspect of

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the show which is really cool which is like a disco aspect and one of the girls dancing had these

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: lasers on her hand. They were like circular lasers at change colors and she was shining. It

[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_05]: was so it's hard to describe but it was really really cool. A lot of fun that comedian

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_05]: oh my god I thought I was going to piss myself because I was laughing so hard she was hysterical.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_05]: We were not left alone. She got right she got right at us and it was it was fun. It was a

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_05]: hard doing the little short break in the middle between sets. I want to go see a comedy show

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_07]: now because I was dying. Absolutely and Kaylee by the way to go back to the the books.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_07]: Bring us up a great point there is also a book for fan sets which she put together

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_07]: fantastic people going to add notes to that one as well so absolutely if you see fan sets that

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_07]: are show. Ask of you and send their your book which is what I'm calling it now. The year all

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I wish I remembered the name of the comedian. Nancy wasn't maybe I don't know but she you

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_07]: know wasn't you know anyone that you know I've seen on TV or anything I imagine she works

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05]: the circuit in Vegas. Nancy Ryan she is she's a comedian performing at expert last

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_07]: her name is Nancy Ryan she was great. She does a bit of insult comedy as well as some observational

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_07]: comedy. She was she was funny she was perfect for that show. Right I enjoyed her very much. I wish

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_07]: you know it had a chance to meet her afterwards because she was that funny so yeah yeah it's good

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_05]: show and before that before that show we actually got to have an incredible dinner at what many

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Vegas people say is the best high food restaurant in Vegas and I love tie and you love tie and it was

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_07]: damn good. I talked tie very well. Sorry sorry I meet the parents quote or pseudo quote

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah you know we've been wanting to go to that I mean I was first introduced to this place by John

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_07]: McCurcorian yeah back when I was on a solo trip to Vegas for work you know I had dinner there one night

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_07]: and he's like yeah this is a place locals go to so you don't find too many tourists here

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_07]: because they don't know about it and now we know why because locals want to keep it to themselves

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_07]: and for good reason. Lotus of Siam will tell our audience about it because we love our audience but

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_07]: if you get the chance to go while you're in Vegas the food is fantastic you will not regret it.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Duck curry. That's what I had. I would really drank the juice out of the bowl when I was done.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_07]: I usually judge it. I do this with with most Asian food restaurants I go to. I usually will have the

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_07]: same dish my first time at each one. Yeah simply just a jager so like you know at a Chinese food restaurant

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_07]: I'll usually have chicken low-main the first time because it's kind of my baseline and then

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_07]: at a Thai restaurant I'll usually go with like a chicken pad tie and I really said never had the chicken

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_07]: pad tie it lotus so I had it and it's probably the best chicken pad tie I've ever had ever had in my life.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep so it's phenomenal quite for it. It was awesome and I will also say that the company that we

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_05]: had at that dinner was extremely special we had the good fortune of having Michelle Spectt

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_05]: sit at our table to do autographs and selfies with her fans and so we went to dinner with her

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_05]: it was one of the highlights of the trip. It's the first time that she's been back in Vegas for five

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: years she had a fantastic time she is always I wish she just would you know be a little bit more

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_05]: energetic to be honest with you because she's really kind of dull and kind of more intimate to me

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_07]: and she's so so withdrawn and so so but she's in a shell it's like she's so introvert we kid she is

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like a big bang theory explosion of energy and that's when she's having a bad day but she was

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_05]: so much fun it was great to get together with her again spend time catch up and that's what's

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: what's so great about STLV sometimes we only get to see these people once a year and in the case

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_05]: with Michelle it's the first time in five years and that's what makes these trips extra special

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_05]: for me is is reconnecting with the people that we don't get to see as often as we would like to.

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah and you know we talk about how it's our Star Trek family reunion I think it was probably

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_07]: the most true in that sense this year yeah we see people we see every year which we'd love

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_07]: we got to see people this year we hadn't seen in years and it was that much better you know

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_07]: it was a great time to reconnect with people especially Michelle some other folks that that

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_07]: wondered by the booth aimlessly like who are you guys oh yeah I remember you people who lifted

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_07]: their temporary restraining orders on us which we have. Yes Nora Bell and Michael probably

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah actually I lifted my TRO on you which is great now you can come within 25 feet of me and I'm

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_07]: really want to but I appreciate that thank you yeah all in all I would call it a hugely

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_07]: hugely successful trip yeah I'm re-energized I'm ready to do this we're getting ready to slide

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_07]: into Trek Talks mode but I'm ready to do a whole lot more trek geeks which you know

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't really been able to say the last several years and I haven't wanted to

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I just haven't had the mental capacity to agreed it's funny that you say Trek Talks because

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: you little bastard you put me to work because of Trek Talks but I had fun with it so I guess

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I won't be mad at you but every year we get together to host our or to have our annual

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Trek Talks kickoff party which is thrown by one of our dear friends Amy and you were talking to

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_05]: her and her friend about the party and the fact that I like to make martinis as a hobby

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and so all of a sudden I became the bartender for this event so I was bartending on

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_05]: night at the party and I can't say that it wasn't fun because it was a blast we created a

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: we created a special Star Trek theme list of drinks that unfortunately we went through in like

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: half an hour gone there were no more we ran out of everything because everybody wanted them so

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I might got there on the second party bus they were all gone they were gone I'm like we didn't

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_05]: order enough vodka so next year we will make sure that we have a lot more so that everybody can

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: can partake in the in the accoutrement even if I that's not the right word for that no it's not at all

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_07]: even if we have to contribute to the party fund it happened to do it to ensure that I get a

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: drink did I say that allowed did you get a shot at least did you get one of the shots no I didn't

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_05]: all right well you know you're you're an angry drunk song like I got I got one of your made up

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_07]: concoctions after you're in out of vodka which was okay oh that's right yeah we instead of using

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the raspberry vodka we substitute a vanilla vodka for some reason everybody liked it so okay

[01:01:25] [SPEAKER_07]: the raspberry vanilla you know they taste so much like no they don't know somebody said use

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_05]: the vanilla it's kind of like making a Hawaii drink I'm like all right but it worked so okay

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_07]: I mean you had enough blue curse out there to kill a small village or at least make it look like

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_07]: smurf town we didn't run out of that that's sure no I get to I love blue curse out I if there's a

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_07]: drink that has blue curse out in it I will I won't order it yeah even if it has coconut in it because

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_07]: I love blue curse out um half the reason why I wanted to go to curse out or my crews the last time

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and I did so because they're actually a blue curse out factory there I just don't really there is

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_07]: oh okay there is they make a great many things there what the the blue curse out look or is just one of

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_07]: the things they do so they also do um uh lotion's hand sanitizers other spirits okay

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_07]: figure they got enough alcohol on the property one that may cancel and it's a yeah

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: it's like it's like a plan I've never been there so okay I have I wanted to go since I

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_07]: used to see those crimson travel commercials on channel 56 in the 70s you know they show you

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_07]: where you could go with crimson travel and curries out would always come up with those

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_07]: was brightly colored buildings and there's a kid I'm like I want to go with air so I finally

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_05]: went well congratulations I'm glad you did you didn't bring me anything though

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_07]: I brought you me let's give it enough that's right I'm sorry I forgot yeah and so so

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_07]: convincingly you uttered that statement I guess I shouldn't be surprised

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_07]: so all in all you know now that I feel like Vegas is back on track and some of these other

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_07]: smaller cons that are happening if you have the opportunity if you have the budget

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_07]: if you have the vacation time to go to Vegas I think you should avail yourself of the opportunity

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_07]: if it's doable because it's not like any other convention you're ever going to go to and it's

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_07]: energy and it's programming in the people that you'll see the experience alone I think

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_07]: really sets Vegas on a different level as far as conventions go yeah I agree um I want to I want

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: point out one thing um I have talked to you there is a chance that I may not be at next

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: years S.T.L.V but I'm not I'm not saying that definitely at all but there is a chance if we if I am

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: there but and we do go and we travel together to the airport from the airport because we'll be

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: on different flights again I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to request something of you right now

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: here on today's podcast the day we leave we don't go to bed we did that we just don't because

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we went to bed at like 11 o'clock the day before we left and we were in the lobby to get in

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: our Uber at 240 wide and we even bother going to bed why do we go to bed we went we were walking

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: food to the lobby to go out and in the bar the sci-fi sisters were still there party and Amy was

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_05]: there party and why did we even bother going to bed because our entire for the fact that we went

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: to bed for three freaking hours and we should have just stayed up I slept I don't I don't think

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I have ever ever slept on a plane the entire length of the flight but I slept from Vegas to

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Chicago did not wake up once so you're telling me the strategy is when we arrive in Vegas to get

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_07]: a good night sleep the first night when we leave Vegas to get no sleep at all so that it all balances out

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: exactly that's I think that is a fantastic idea you know I've never thought of you is really

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_07]: exhibiting all that much logic before but I have to say for everything there is a first time

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_05]: wouldn't you agree Admiral? Yep absolutely it happens once in a blue curse al moon it'll happen buddy

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_07]: we're gonna use that phrase from now on once in a blue curse al moon right that down

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: all right hashtag it do it because I'm gonna forget quite I can't believe it on X because I'm not on X

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: best news I've heard all week yeah I'm old I forget I forget they I can tell you my childhood telephone number

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_07]: I cannot tell you what I just was gonna say I do not I don't think I snow it on the plane

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_05]: you care I wouldn't care because that's just the way I am I may have snored it a little bit no

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: no in on an inhale kind of like but I don't know if I did enough because I was sleeping so there you go

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I've I've reached this phase in life if I went up snored on the plane and somebody doesn't

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_07]: wake me up that's on them right yep I'm gonna try you know to mitigate that because theoretically

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_07]: I shouldn't because I'm sitting up right and I usually don't decline my seat not that it really

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_07]: goes that far yeah but I've got a neck pillow and everything so my head stays in one place

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_07]: theoretically I shouldn't snore but if I do there's really not much I can do

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_07]: either wake me up or put on your noise canceling head before you go go no no I can tell you never

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_07]: ever am I gonna want to listen to wham or even reference it

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: now I have my headset on and I have the fan noise plan in my headset so I fall asleep like a baby

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and and we were on final approach when I woke up I think it was like less than five minutes

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_05]: when I woke up before we touched down in Chicago or I touched down it was pretty great

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah I had a stop in Dallas which wasn't bad I wasn't there very long maybe less than an hour

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah and I slept on both of my legs once I got to Raleigh it was hotter than the hinges on the

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_07]: gates of hell with humidity okay yes it was let me tell you but we'll we'll talk about

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_07]: tropical storm jabby in the outtake a little bit okay um yeah this is exactly how I feel

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_07]: when I hear Dan's voice barely but it's not the medzi's the comment is oh maybe that's me

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_07]: electrocuting you I don't know I don't think so no all you know that's smart I think you'd

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_07]: electrocute yourself before actually of the ability my accident okay there's actually a villain

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: in the incredible Hulk comic book called Zack and he was an electricity monster and it was

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: what he's Zack yep I'll see if I can find him online yeah please alright that would be just so

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_07]: scintillator um oh dick because you detect the level of sarcasm with which I just did

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: the Jade you stayed up for this shit I don't know what you're doing okay well actually it's not

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: bits and up bedtime over there yet is it it's not I think you mean Jude that's a Jade sorry

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: of dude hey Jude don't look back dude I don't know you don't even know the song you hate the Beatles

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_07]: I do I do I I I don't know why he's your favorite he just he just forgot your name for

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I it's not so much right now okay first of all I didn't forget his name second of all

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's me I can't say my own name right from time to time Dan done dumb dumb dumb

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe I mix up Kate with I don't know whatever I I I own it I made a mistake it happens

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: every single episode yeah I made a mistake 10 years ago um 317 episodes back

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_07]: dude you will do podcast I should have just kept that thought to myself and just um

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I think yeah how much non fun you would have had these past 10 years pal you know I used to

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_07]: go to Vegas without you and been perfectly happy at least if you don't go next year I might actually

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_05]: get to stay in a hotel I love well you gotta stay three of anyway right you just talk about it a minute

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_07]: ago you talked about it said I would stay there but if coconut is paying for it then I would have

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: stayed somewhere I really love okay I'm gonna have a sweet at the art again oh my god no no no I

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_07]: I I don't know if I'll stay at the Rio next year if you're not going if you are I will but

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll tell you what um one of the other things we talked about was you know how I have always wanted to

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: a cosplay of you from season two of Picard with that black suit that he's gotten just looks fantastic

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: that might happen you know to actually have your ass in Vegas for that I'll tell you what if this

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: if this goes through and I'm able to get this made by my dear friend Brooke I might be there

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: just for that if anything because I guess I have wanted to do that I don't give a shit about you man

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to win some of our patrons it's not our campers that you would go to see

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_07]: not our dear friends at fan sets that's your new friend at section 31 supply that's not our

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_07]: sisters or anyone else on the network you would go for your stupid cosplay all right whatever

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_05]: wow wait to make me feel guilty thank you you know you know you know you know it makes the

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_07]: and feel guilty the band five year mission nice segue very very good no we get a good segue

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_07]: thank you thank you I'm a master of segues I really and I mean I had one the literary kind

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: not the time you ride not the two wheeler okay um yeah no I can't even walk what makes people think

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I could get on a motorized thing where it's controlled by how I lean I would pay money to watch

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: you try to use one of those things like on a dock near the ocean I guess my ass I'd pay money to

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_07]: watch you do one of those things because you would you would crack your head open I am I my balance is

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_07]: like nothing else it's like nothing because it's not there wow anyway yeah we we do love the

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_07]: band five year mission we're so grateful for you know letting us use their music each and every week

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_07]: here on trek geeks um all those albums there's year one you're two your three your four

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_07]: spots brain rumor has it they're working on some new tracks on your five right now if you follow

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_07]: them on social you can see them rehearsing some stuff it's pretty awesome in the meantime get

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_07]: on out to five your mission dot net get all of those albums in your hot little hands like right here

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_07]: right there 10 that this is a five-year mission CD get it right in your hand and that way you can

[01:12:01] [SPEAKER_07]: pop them in your CD player and listen to them and become a huge fan because we all know that physical

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_07]: media is so important was it try five year five year mission dot net go get those albums yo I love it

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: so I have a very short farc as in this week because obviously if you didn't prepare that as

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the circus circus not I didn't I didn't because I was doing you know important stuff like trying

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: to find a job but I do have something you and I and Chris are friend my free started to watch

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: savage curtain in the hotel room one night we did get very far because everybody was following

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_05]: sleep it had been a it had been a long day what was worth about watching start track together

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: is that it turns into like mystery science theater 3000 and we just you know just like start

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: making fun of different languages great but I've got a very short farc as in based on savage curtain

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not good it's one of my not as good ones but here we go help me farc help me farc

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_06]: that's all I got the five year mission ladies and gentlemen no no we're not done

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_07]: I'd like the fact that you admitted that it wasn't good for the first time ever

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_07]: took three hundred and seventeen damn episodes for you admit that these things suck

[01:13:21] [SPEAKER_07]: okay quick what's better circus circus or the pharkism Dan used today

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_07]: um just yeah wasn't wasn't a bad one I mean certainly was not good my friend

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: all right I'm gonna have to go with the pharkism because I've heard some bad things about

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_07]: circus circus so I'm gonna go with circus circus was better you know and that's only because

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: they serve alcohol you could drink alcohol while I'm doing my pharkism Lord knows I want to

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_07]: um yeah five year mission dot net go get all of that stuff yo I'm telling you yo Dan of course

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_07]: you know we hope everybody takes them at the time to check out our Patreon yes which is

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_07]: course where you can get all kinds of special exclusive perks like um watching this livecast

[01:14:19] [SPEAKER_05]: that's going on sort of right now I can't I can't say that that's wrong you know you get to have

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_05]: you get to participate you get to have a great time it's a lot of fun always additional perks

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: you know and people who showed up in STLV got to get their their Patreon pin for this year

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: early and a lot of people liked it so there's all kinds of fun stuff but right now we want to take

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_05]: a moment we want to thank our associate producers for trekkeaks we just so much appreciate each

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_05]: and every one of you and they are Vikram Bat Chad Clark Corey Clay Brad Demag will you

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[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I just that's like a Hollywood name Lisa Tominson Ron Roble Kaylee as a wacky

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: and the gracious and wonderful Connie Hutchins who was at STLV we got to see her in one of

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: wonderful wonderful person wonderful person so great to see Connie

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_07]: I take a breath um please I beg you or stop either way we also want to thank our trekkeaks producers

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[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Craig Ywing Jackie Hackney Chris Hackney look at that we separated them out finally

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[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_07]: Dan of course yeah our senior producer for now in all time the young man who ought to

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_07]: have been eating his dinner and not watching this horrible webcast the the gracious

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_07]: entanglemented jutaman or it didn't send me a damn picture yeah that's right and

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_05]: dinner look good actually I got to say so yeah for for all time senior producer you know what

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_05]: YouTube can become a producer of trekkeaks and it's just so easy to do head right no over to a

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_05]: patreon.com slash trekkeaks for all the details that's that right there Dan next week yeah

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_07]: we're gonna dive in on a topic that that I've been thinking about for a little bit

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_07]: and um it could be an interesting discussion it could be a discussion that off put some people but

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_05]: let's take it on anyway yeah sounds like a great plan you know as as we've said for a long time

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_05]: here on trekkeaks the past several years have been touted as the best time to be a trek fan

[01:17:15] [SPEAKER_05]: well all the new shows but with that being said are the new shows really continuing genes vision

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_05]: are y'all wondering if trek is passed us by are we just getting to old for the new trek

[01:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: is the new trek causing you to revert back to watching legacy trek these are all valid questions

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: and all ones that we're gonna discuss and try to answer next time on trekkeaks you know

[01:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: no the flagship of that thing we do you know mafia i'm gonna have that song that thing you

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_05]: do in my head all for the rest of the day now i just want to wait don't sing it to me please

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_07]: that that time hanks movie yeah don't want to hear wrote and directed but that's just me of course

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[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_07]: hope you all live long and prosper help me coconut help me coconut no i see you put as much effort

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_07]: into that as you did your sarcasm the sarcasm is still better well perfectly time too look at that

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_07]: i said 321 it came back in 321 and my day say ping-bong ping-bong pal ping-bong ping-bong

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_02]: quickly to the ping-bong down yeah all right go ahead say it something you said

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: how many times did i say that Vegas like 200 like too many

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_07]: it would have been better if you were quoting Schwarzenegger not something quoting some guy who is

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_07]: there is i know but it's still fun but if you don't get to the chopper all weekend long i would

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: find it completely hilarious yeah okay it's fantastic get the chopper get to the chopper it's

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_07]: get to the chopper and it's like your chopper and chopper and you're not going there

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_07]: we're not going there no no wow see that's why arrived home on monday afternoon yes i got in well

[01:20:44] [SPEAKER_07]: before dinner time which is great and rallian that was owned by like one o'clock your

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_07]: local time and i got reports that we were going to get hit by tropical storm Debbie

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_07]: on Thursday okay it's like well okay well i've lived through tropical storms and hurricanes in

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_07]: New England but i'm here to tell you they're very different in the carolinas

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_07]: because usually by the time they get to New England they've been over land for a lot longer yeah

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_07]: and it's like a bad thunderstorm growing up in New England you and i are used to forecast

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_07]: in the winter of snowfall that sound like eight to fourteen inches you know five to ten inches yeah

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_07]: we were forecast for five to nine inches of rain rain between Thursday and Friday

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and we got about eight and a half inches oh my gosh wow yeah and it wasn't even it was

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that a tropical was it hurricane level one by the time it hit it wasn't even lower

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_07]: it was a tropical storm wow that's a lot of rain after it arrived here it became a tropical

[01:21:45] [SPEAKER_07]: depression yeah but it it those abarbans just nailed our area of eastern north carolina

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_07]: and the winds weren't bad yeah and it seriously was just the rain the other problem is

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_07]: as we spent a full 24 hours under tornado watches you know the difference between the tornado

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_07]: warning and a tornado watch is a warning means the a tornado could happen right a watch means

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_07]: all of the things that could cause a tornado are in the mix and a tornado could be imminent where

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_07]: you are is it a day around no it's not so here's the best comparison okay if you compare it to tacos

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_07]: a taco warning means we could have tacos a taco watch means we have all the ingredients for tacos

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_07]: and taco time is coming so get ready I had tacos I saw a meteorologist dropped that graphic once

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_07]: it may have even been cadium not sure but I would not be surprised but it yeah it was scary we had a

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_07]: couple of tornadoes touched down within five miles of us here oh my real me or it doesn't happen

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_07]: but there was one fatality in one of the tornadoes about 15 miles from here which is sad but

[01:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: it could have been a lot worse we so the remnants when it got up here we had some showers and wind

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and not even strong wind it was no there was nothing by the time it got up here I would not just

[01:23:20] [SPEAKER_05]: safe go ahead if that's a lot of rain your backyard must be moist I gotta say only one quarter of

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_07]: really flooded yeah the rest of our because we have a septic system the rest of our drainage

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_07]: really did a wonderful job I don't think that analogy I'm 100% agree I'll find the graphic I'll

[01:23:39] [SPEAKER_07]: post it to Patreons but it certainly was something I'm glad that I was home for it because our dog

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_07]: is a bell it was just a mess I'm sure and we had to keep pretty much keep her medicated throughout

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_07]: weekend there was some there was also some rain on Friday and Saturday but not nearly the level that

[01:23:58] [SPEAKER_07]: it was on Thursday we we kind of ourselves immensely lucky good good I'm glad everything's okay

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah you were you were telling me that you were still under that that watch you're warning for

[01:24:14] [SPEAKER_05]: a long time I was like wow that's usually when they happen up here it's for like we'll get like

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_05]: messages on Alexa and it's for like 20 minutes right for like thunderstorms not even anything

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_07]: like as dangerous as tornado so yeah well I have an app to recommend and that is the red cross

[01:24:35] [SPEAKER_07]: emergency app I found it extremely helpful they broadcast the alerts from the national weather

[01:24:42] [SPEAKER_07]: service and know of before anybody else if you are about to experience severe weather or yeah there's

[01:24:49] [SPEAKER_07]: the threat of it you can set up alerts for it it really was fantastic and keeping us informed the other

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_07]: thing that was fantastic is I was watching the local ABC affiliate here in the rally area and

[01:25:02] [SPEAKER_07]: when one of these tornado watches was called and I have to tell you actually we're right about

[01:25:08] [SPEAKER_07]: the whole watch versus warning thing I screwed it up I'll show you okay warning was called

[01:25:15] [SPEAKER_07]: they actually were able to zoom down into street level the tell wow reads in the given neighborhood

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_07]: in the given town could be affected so it it really was amazing because they say you know people on

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_07]: you know else treated or whatever you know get to your safe place right now

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_07]: yep as you were in the most serious threat so it it was good to know that those kind of resources

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_07]: are available obviously we had power we could have watched it on our phones obviously because they

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_07]: were sharing that live to live to the web yep it was it was super helpful to know that you know

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_07]: there's information available and you don't have to just wonder and worry all right so

[01:26:01] [SPEAKER_07]: it was like nothing I've ever experienced before that's awesome cool I'm glad to see God

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_05]: see that you're safe Dan was finally right about something I don't know if that's ever going to happen

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_07]: again so I just wanted to make note of it um of course you didn't do it as a ticker so I didn't want

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_05]: to do it as ticker I wanted it to be blasted right there so everybody could see it and read it and it

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_07]: would say I just deleted my mind here here is the comparison oh all right and I did mix it up

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_07]: but I had the I had the definitions right just for the wrong words so a taco watch or hurricane

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_07]: watches when all the ingredients are in place for tacos they happen a taco warning or tornado

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_07]: warning means we're having tornadoes in the area right now gotcha all right can remember

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_07]: everything about tacos because I love tacos okay I don't love tornadoes no I don't think many

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: people do like tornadoes unless they're watching the movie Twister I don't I don't know

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_05]: maybe this analogy helps now I don't know no no I'm hoping I won't but she says no

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_05]: oh dearly says that makes more sense smile burlacum on now you obviously on bill side

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_07]: it's because somebody should be you've got everybody else in the audience on your side you

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_05]: oh goodness gracious anyway so that was my return home yeah for one mine mine was not nothing

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: nothing like that at all it was you know uh super pick me up got to to get tackled by the dogs

[01:27:34] [SPEAKER_05]: when I got home which is always like one of the best parts of returning homes the dog and

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Arya's now at the age where she's not as um mobile and she used to be so she'll get it on the bed

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_05]: and she'll just start crying like cry happy that I'm home it's it's adorable she'll just start whining

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and and and and and puzzling which was great and then I just I just got back into the grind

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: that's what I've been doing since Tuesday of last week back in the grind looking for stuff trying

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_05]: to get too down and and depressed and stressed and freaked out and scared um so and then

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_05]: to help with that yesterday oh I went to the store and got myself something that I needed

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and I got my body the jaws Lego set that I have been so excited about

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_05]: ever since it's been announced I'm very happy about it I even got my little chief brody already put

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: together oh we're gonna need a bigger boat you need a bigger boat you jerk yep so very

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_05]: very cool like that very much and they actually had it in stock so that was even better because

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_05]: it's been you can't find it's already back ordered to like October yeah it's crazy oh yeah I've been

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_07]: saying packing things for my little trek no care trying I've been adding something pretty much

[01:28:48] [SPEAKER_07]: of weeks why added some eagle must starships over here mostly starfleet ones the hero ships from all

[01:28:54] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah um I've got my my defiant right here but you can't show it there's a Voyager there's the

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Enterprise D there's the sea there's the bay there's there would be the refit but that's broken but

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_07]: another store has this is the annex on one my added to who are a fun co-pop oh yes there she is

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_05]: triple triple trouble in the fence it's nice fifty-a-hour and wallow it's belt buckle I

[01:29:21] [SPEAKER_07]: would wallow it's belt buckle I've got the 200 episode hand painted tile that Emily from yes

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_07]: discovering trek proud of you made us yep and I've got my tricordered which you saw earlier

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_07]: one of the other things I impact which I haven't put up yet because obviously my trekking's Delta

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_07]: is leaning against the wall there and something you made for me more than a decade ago yeah

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_07]: is this needle pulling a cross stitch cross stitch whatever I don't know the fucking difference get off

[01:29:50] [SPEAKER_07]: my ass this cross stitch that you did for me yeah ages ago yeah which I absolutely love so I still have

[01:29:58] [SPEAKER_07]: the apparatus with which to put a hanger on the back yep yeah of course it's got your handwritten

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_07]: yes but this will obviously go in my trek notes oh nice do you still have the um do you have

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the trek the the do it's gonna be close yeah that one that one was one that I'll say I just

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: remember things sort of like sports we were watching one of our rewatches of grim up in main

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_05]: when I did that trekgeeks Delta one for you and that one was was harder than other ones I've done

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: because there was really no pattern to go by I had to create it myself yeah computer and then

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: do all the different colors that so that one was I liked that one that was a fun one I enjoyed doing

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_05]: that one too as I always enjoy all my stitches so I'm coming across all kinds of stuff that

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_07]: you know I've I've had for the longest time I'm gonna start packaging up my groups of action

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_07]: figures by series yep I'm gonna keep some of them but others I'm just gonna offer to send to people

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: if they pay for shipping and can't be hammer yep which is which is nice boys and then

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_07]: boys yeah and regarding your your cross needle um I don't know which one I call it so I'm

[01:31:14] [SPEAKER_07]: gonna call it cross needle or needle stitch I like that too um I would love talk I was during

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_07]: her actually was drinking hurricanes during the tropical storm that's interesting just to put

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: there I'm not a huge taco fan but I will say those tuna polka tacos that we had at El

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Sugundo Sol the night we weren't that night we went in Vegas Tuesday night we're absolutely incredible

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_07]: they were phenomenal look at this we got a thumbs up on the on the taco explanation yes there

[01:31:46] [SPEAKER_05]: you find it you sure that's the explanation or maybe she's just saying we're I am sure

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_07]: got your mouth damn so yeah it's uh it's good to be home now it's weird to think of North Carolina

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_07]: is home now yep well I don't need this kind of shade haily wow bill butchering needle where

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_05]: cow and salt and milling damn but I do different no I trust you just have to stick together girl

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_07]: there you go yeah okay okay if this had been something you'd created with your own hands

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_07]: I would not have butchered it I just want to run that out I see all right okay because I just don't

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: respect them I think it's probably because I rub off on you and I always make mistakes in how

[01:32:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I pronounce things so you just did that I'm naturally I do it to be in sympathy do you yes I know

[01:32:40] [SPEAKER_07]: you cross stitch Dan cross needles see what I have to put up with people I don't see this is

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_07]: what you default do you know you do this in Vegas all the time I do this you were under

[01:32:54] [SPEAKER_07]: force work I do the worst of none of my let me finish you were the worst of fender given me shit

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_07]: it every opportunity what yeah don't fain ignorants I work so hard on these projects for the

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_05]: friend that I love so much and this is what I get cross needle yeah cross needle this turkey neck

[01:33:17] [SPEAKER_07]: didn't I talk about how wonderful it was you did you did all right then shut your bitch mo

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_05]: oh my goodness gracious it's funny it's funny it's funny it's also where and is not yes that's true

[01:33:33] [SPEAKER_05]: it's funny they say that I don't I said this to you in Vegas I don't think I'm going to be collecting

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Star Trek stuff anymore one because I don't have the room for it too because the licenses that

[01:33:48] [SPEAKER_05]: are getting signed by paramount are fricking ridiculous a thousand dollars for a watch

[01:33:56] [SPEAKER_05]: and which is worked down from 1500 yeah and so I'm just gonna stick with fancets pins pretty much

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_07]: that's it yeah the occasional funco you know other things they're not going to do any more

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: playmates action figures I already talked about I know I was talking about say what what the hell

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_05]: what what the hell well when you work on right now haily is gonna take you like six more years to finish

[01:34:20] [SPEAKER_05]: song really concerned wow see I'm saying that in a good way because the one she's making is gigantic

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_05]: no that's how you meant it though not exactly how I meant it she knows how I meant it no I'm not concerned

[01:34:33] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah okay or no to quote to quote Dan Davidson like when I have to put up with

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah okay wow okay yeah so much shade Dan I know what you should let up a little bit

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_07]: talking about you oh oh sorry you know you have the self awareness of Michael Scott

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_06]: which is to say you have absolutely zero no no no no no no no no no

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_07]: he says don't curse me I'll curse him for the both of us and I know that's not what she means

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_07]: all right Jerker you ready to move on with our lives and yeah do things and yeah do some stuff

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_05]: try to try to find some gainful employment work on some jaws legos and get ready for

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: what's going to be a pretty awesome conversation the next time we get together and talk because uh

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's going to be very interesting I have some thoughts and I have some feelings okay

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_07]: alright I will I will preface this now and I'll stay at it again in that episode I love the new

[01:35:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Star Trek stuff yep exactly I'm a fan of what they're doing yep we're going to talk about resonance

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_07]: we're going to talk about connection with the material we're going to talk about a great many things

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_07]: but none of it is out of you know none of it is an a critical nature of the new shows yep

[01:36:02] [SPEAKER_07]: none of it is in you know to be negative by any means and we'll draw that distinction very

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_07]: clearly when we do the show next time but this is all just examining

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: possibly getting older it's Star Trek I don't know I don't know yeah so I totally get

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_05]: we coming from because when you loaded the idea yesterday to me I'm like yeah that's a great

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_07]: discussion yep and I'll preface it using I'm not going to use the quote now but

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_07]: I'm going to preface it using the quote from Star Trek that I gave you in chat yesterday because I think

[01:36:40] [SPEAKER_07]: that's kind of how I'm feeling and this is just a tease the audience a little bit

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_07]: but if you watch Star Trek 6 you might understand what I mean okay yep and and Burley hit it right

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_05]: on the right on the head thank you little some of us are older than others damn I know 55 and a month

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah which means I got month and a half yeah that's all right all right I go take a nap

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_05]: in the middle of the afternoon again yep all right everybody patrions thank you so much we love

[01:37:13] [SPEAKER_07]: you people viewing this on YouTube later thank you so much check out our patreon and at

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_07]: trekkees.com slash patreon no patreon.com slash trekkees there you go most good up today

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: that's I always I'm the one who says it all the time so I get it loving logic y'all talk to you about it

[01:37:28] [SPEAKER_07]: see you next time damn here we are Star Trek last Vegas here we are it's Saturday

[01:37:34] [SPEAKER_07]: it is and you and I have probably experienced I mean I may be speaking for you I may not be but

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_07]: from me I think this has been one of the more fun and exciting and energy filled

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_07]: conventions that we've seen since well before the pandemic oh I agree 100% it's been the energy has

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: been palpable is that a word that's in actually can use and make sense well in this case you are

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_07]: correct I'm not sure where you heard it I don't I'm not sure it was correct seen it on a bathroom

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_05]: wall or something I'm not really sure but it has been amazing it's been extremely busy I mean

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_05]: it's I will say right now it's Saturday it's quite enough for us to actually talk right now but

[01:38:16] [SPEAKER_05]: there's probably something giant going on in the main theater which is why there's a little bit

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_05]: of law but other than that as we always like to point out since the convention open Wednesday night

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_05]: for the people that pot special tickets fans that's has been five and six deep pretty much all

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_05]: going crazy it's been busy we've had so many people coming over to talk to us here at our table

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_05]: it really has been a fantastic time and it's an I'll say it it's something I've needed so it's been great

[01:38:45] [SPEAKER_07]: no I totally agree I think that one of the things that is really felt different this year

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_07]: is that it was busy on Thursday yeah which is normally a very light attendance day

[01:38:56] [SPEAKER_07]: it would though the the vendor hall was as is an elbow yep at various times Friday

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_07]: there were only more people and today Saturday it is probably the most energetic I have felt this

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_07]: room it really is there's an electricity in this room that actually makes you feel like

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_07]: this is an exciting thing we've met so many people who are just sharing their love of Star Trek

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_07]: who are just excited to be here and after last year's strike year oh yeah nobody could talk

[01:39:24] [SPEAKER_07]: about Star Trek what right right at a pedal there this is it feels like we're finally after five

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: years finally back to normal yeah absolutely we've seen so many people that we always love to see

[01:39:39] [SPEAKER_05]: every year we've met so many new people that we've become friends with and they're they're here

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: sharing their love of Star Trek and the other thing you talked about it's been five years

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_05]: we're seeing people that we haven't seen in five years so first time they've been back in five

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_05]: years and it's like they've come home again and it's really been it's really been pretty awesome

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_07]: I feel like in a way for us you know with all these changes at the Rio with all these changes

[01:40:04] [SPEAKER_07]: you know to the hotel itself yeah it's become a different environment but an increasingly

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_07]: familiar environment and I really feel like we've come home yeah you know last year was different you

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_07]: it was not perfect we couldn't have the conversations we wanted to have the hotel was a little bit

[01:40:25] [SPEAKER_07]: indissiree because of the management you know transfer right this year it seems like

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_07]: the ownership of the Rio is really listened to every ounce of feedback that was provided by

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_07]: attendees of this particular convention and made infinite strides forward yeah they really have

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_05]: starting with the room redesigns you know we've talked about you know the Rio as and I always

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_05]: had the reputation of being the nicest cleanest most you know welcoming visually of the hotels

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_05]: and Vegas but they have really done a good job in those rooms they look they look new they look

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: fresh they got great new furniture in there it's really been great and it's gone around the entire

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: hotel the ibar which we used to frequent two regularly every year has is now gone and it's now a new

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: bar which I can never remember the name of it so I call it ibar too I know you remember the name of it

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_05]: the lap alone thank you very much and that is spectacular I mean there's no ramps or stairs to

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_05]: hurt yourself on because you know me and the drinks are awesome the bartending staff there is fantastic

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_05]: there's one particular bartender who we've been talking to and he's been helping us who's been great

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's awesome I'm glad that they've listened to what the fans have had to say after last year

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: and after the disaster that was ballies in my opinion it's good we said last year that we've come home

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_07]: we've really come home this year yeah and that's it I feel like they've they've well I'm

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_07]: back up and say this way I used to dreadstaying at this hotel yes you did and honestly we've

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_07]: only ever stayed here because you wanted to stay here right because it was easier it was close like close

[01:42:10] [SPEAKER_07]: to everything yeah I was happy to stay at flimingo or someplace else in Uber over this is the first

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_07]: year that I've enjoyed staying at the Rio and we've stayed here at least ten times yeah what I think

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: there's only been one time when we didn't and that was the first year well except for ballies but right

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_07]: but the flimingo the first year when I came with you I look forward to being here next year

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_07]: because they've made so many changes in the last year that I'm excited to see what they do

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_07]: with this next year period yes yes to the changes they make and the upgrades that occur

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_07]: are room finally for after ten years of this place there's not suck yes yep and and they're still

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_05]: doing stuff now I mean if you're in the main area where the casino is much of that is like

[01:42:58] [SPEAKER_05]: is like board it off and they've got they've got curtains and everything because they're still

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: doing upgrades right on the main floor near the cashier's cage which is interesting

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and I'm sure next year that'll look great they turned what anybody who knows the the

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: the resort I keep thinking Disney the hotel if you're going towards impending a tower there

[01:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: used to be a gift store a gift shop on the left-hand side that was like the entire length

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: of the of the entire walkway down to the elevators they've gotten rid of 90% of that

[01:43:30] [SPEAKER_05]: they put in a giant Starbucks that they still can't handle the influx of Star Trek fans yeah

[01:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: don't look me 50 minutes to get my order today after I mobile ordered it

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_05]: but then that gift shop is much smaller so they're making changes because they know they need to

[01:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: now there's another Starbucks closer to the show area which is about probably six

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: minute walk from here anyway but it is closer but that's been closed for two years yeah

[01:43:54] [SPEAKER_05]: they need to open up that Starbucks so the real people are listening get that Starbucks open

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_05]: you because I'm drinking Starbucks here which is something I never do and we don't can

[01:44:02] [SPEAKER_07]: don't it's guy well I mean when your option is Starbucks yes you kind of defaulted

[01:44:07] [SPEAKER_05]: exactly and I my god I've been loving it too it's actually not bad it's just expensive

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_07]: I think the food options here have definitely been an upgrade yes food court the new food court

[01:44:15] [SPEAKER_07]: replacing the old carnival world buffet has been actually really really fantastic I was surprised

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_07]: I was skeptical at first because I think most food courts in Vegas really are not impressive at all

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: very impressive here they have cheese sticks they've got ramen see yes they're right you did

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_05]: they've got sushi they've got chicken tenders they've got burgers I know missing something

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and a bar they got a bar they're too right in the center of it it's pretty fantastic and we

[01:44:43] [SPEAKER_05]: meet there a couple of times and and the prices are good and the foods good and it fills you up

[01:44:48] [SPEAKER_05]: if you don't get just little portions they're big big big the prices are Vegas good

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Vegas good yeah I've heard hold let's change that up yes yeah Vegas good yeah yeah

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_07]: is there been anything so far about this con and this experience that you'd like to see change

[01:45:07] [SPEAKER_07]: your different in years going forward particularly next year one of the things that's always

[01:45:14] [SPEAKER_05]: difficult to make work correctly is the flow of people in the vendors room yep and it's gotten

[01:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: worse well let me give you a little bit of an example we're here in the prime row which is pretty

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: good also actually so if you probably as I like to call it yes it's always great it's always busy

[01:45:35] [SPEAKER_05]: here so there's always traffic what they have done they started this a couple of years ago they

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_05]: used to be vendors the entire the entire vendor's room was vendors now after the first two rows

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_05]: when you walk in the front door it's all autographs so they have autographs everywhere and if you

[01:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: get certain people lined up or certain people sitting to do autographs the line for that table is

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: ridiculous and blocks everything there's got to be a way to figure out how to have autographs

[01:46:04] [SPEAKER_05]: that doesn't do that the downside to that is you can't have like a whole separate autographs

[01:46:10] [SPEAKER_05]: area it has to be in the vendors room because you want to see your Star Trek idols

[01:46:14] [SPEAKER_05]: in the vendors room when you're walking around so it's a given take you got to figure out how to

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_05]: better do it I don't know how queue lines would work or just do it in a way that it's frustrating we're

[01:46:25] [SPEAKER_05]: not selling anything right but I know that it can be frustrating for people that are trying to

[01:46:29] [SPEAKER_05]: sell things and they can't because there are 50 people in line for somebody 15 yards away

[01:46:35] [SPEAKER_05]: blocking your table from selling your product and I think that that's one of the things

[01:46:40] [SPEAKER_07]: I've noticed continuing the trend from last year is that there are less vendors in the vendor

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_07]: hall yeah it's at least half of the space is dedicated to autographs which I'm fine with but

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_07]: what they really need is a separate space about this big true just for autographs but I mean it

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_05]: the real you're just not going to get that right what I would like to see him do and this is you know

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_05]: logistically I'm not sure how they could do it and also I've got to say certain people want certain

[01:47:08] [SPEAKER_05]: spots in the vendors room whether that's good or bad or annoying which it probably can be for some

[01:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah some people if they took all of the vendors because there are plenty of vendors in the vendors

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_05]: hall and put it in one section of the vendors hall like the front half and made the second half

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: all the autographs that wouldn't get in the way the vendors it's still have all of the people here

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_05]: in the vendors hall so you can see him and talk to him while you're also going around and buying

[01:47:33] [SPEAKER_05]: all your Star Trek swag right that might be something but again I'm not I'm not a logistics

[01:47:40] [SPEAKER_05]: person I'm not logical I'm I'm kind of you know done right smart I'm dumb yeah but that's that's what

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm thinking I don't know about you I think most of my I don't want to say criticism because that's

[01:47:53] [SPEAKER_07]: not what I'm doing but suggestions have to do with content I've heard and this is really just based on

[01:48:00] [SPEAKER_07]: the observations of other people who we know I think that there was a real shock among

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_07]: convention attendees that there was no involvement by Roddenberry this year I don't I don't think

[01:48:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll ever understand that that's just crazy and this we don't we don't know all the details we're obviously

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_07]: not party to that discussion because it's not our business but the conventional wisdom is that

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Roddenberry in creation could not come to an agreement on how that would work okay so I really think that

[01:48:31] [SPEAKER_07]: that is a missed opportunity yeah I've heard I've heard some rumblings from folks that they didn't

[01:48:40] [SPEAKER_07]: necessarily like the programming on the stage hosted in and programmed by the Ingloria's Trek

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_07]: Spurts there's another podcast all right featuring like Mark Altman and Darren Dr.man and several other

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_07]: people yeah they have a fantastic podcast which is great but I think people were hoping for

[01:49:00] [SPEAKER_07]: different types of content which is fine right so those are the the two main things I have heard

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_07]: from people coming to our booth to tell us what they because we've asked them all what do you

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_07]: think of the content so far right and overwhelmingly so that has been the top two

[01:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: things people wish we're different also and this I'm not saying I'm saying this tongue in cheek when I say it

[01:49:24] [SPEAKER_05]: people and saying when you guys doing your things and we're like well I'm not happening yeah

[01:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: we did not get invited to do anything this year which gave us the opportunity to be here a lot more

[01:49:35] [SPEAKER_05]: at our booth and had a great time but yeah we didn't have any content of course we don't have the

[01:49:40] [SPEAKER_05]: party we didn't have the party last night which was which was sad but till we've had all the

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: bunch of people coming over you know to get their pen and everything like that I agree with you people

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_05]: have been kind of like giving the quizzical what's going on look with some of the content I don't

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: know what's going on like in the main vendors haul I'm sure that's greatest it always is they

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_05]: always got the big panels out there especially today we were walking the hallway this morning

[01:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and I saw arman and Nicole on stage on one of the big monitors that they have out in the hallway so

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_05]: that's all there but I unfortunately couldn't tell you anything that's been going on

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_05]: in the glorious room as I'll call it I will say though as we've gone into Vix lounge to get

[01:50:19] [SPEAKER_05]: either a drink or something to eat there have been some great panels going on there we saw

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_05]: the sci-fi sisters up there one day and they were killing it which is always great and of course

[01:50:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Sunday I don't know if anybody this might be I'm not sure if this is a spoiler or not

[01:50:33] [SPEAKER_05]: and by the time they hear it it will have happened already our dear sci-fi sister to me is going to

[01:50:43] [SPEAKER_07]: jala and that is incredible I when I heard that because we get no idea we have no clue yep

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_07]: I am so thrilled for to me and the sisters this is this is fantastic you know it

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_07]: this is the kind of thing that should be celebrated that yeah creation is done a great job

[01:51:02] [SPEAKER_07]: of incorporating the involvement of more podcast more people who have these conversations on a regular

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_07]: basis to talk about things that fans want to hear about so I know for a fact that's going to be

[01:51:16] [SPEAKER_05]: a killer panel it is without a doubt yep and I'm so happy for her and for all the sisters they

[01:51:23] [SPEAKER_05]: have an incredible presence here they're in the vendors room also and whenever anybody comes over

[01:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: to our booth and they're looking at our cards of all the different shows they're taking the sci-fi

[01:51:31] [SPEAKER_05]: sisters cards like there's nobody's business that's 100% true good they're not taking any of our cards

[01:51:37] [SPEAKER_05]: no it's not that's okay well you suck I'm fantastic but I will say there's been some incredible

[01:51:44] [SPEAKER_05]: cosplay here this weekend also I'm looking at a bill right now from TOS just over to my right

[01:51:52] [SPEAKER_05]: oh it didn't see it's just an absolutely incredible I want to see I want to ask him to run down the

[01:51:56] [SPEAKER_05]: hallway like like Frank Gorshin yeah and see if he can do the run but it's great this meant some

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_05]: amazing cosplay there's about an eight foot we just talked about Captain's holiday there's an

[01:52:07] [SPEAKER_05]: eight foot uh or gone for gone walking around here today which is pretty incredible they actually it

[01:52:14] [SPEAKER_05]: actually has to have like spotters to make sure it doesn't like walk into anything it's pretty cool

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_07]: I yes and I noticed that instantly I think it's fantastic yeah I the cosplay never disappoints

[01:52:25] [SPEAKER_05]: no I really never really never oh god okay ladies and I have to interrupt right now because

[01:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: the one and only Casey Shasky is walking up to our booth right now as we are recording I'm going to

[01:52:37] [SPEAKER_05]: ask him to say hi but I'm also going to ask him to behave himself and I don't know if that's something

[01:52:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that can actually happen um can I be bleaked or you can just say it uh hey fucking high

[01:52:50] [SPEAKER_05]: hey okay all right we love you two in case you know you know Loki and Bill he's got a

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Loki bill like baseball shirt on we're just talking about this awesome cosplay over here to

[01:53:02] [SPEAKER_05]: all right and he's got a bill uh Loki, Loki, Loki how do you pronounce it? Shatner print

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_07]: sprannouts is at seven different ways in the background episode. This is one of those times where I

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_07]: think that I can't really give you shit from his pronouncing something. Amazing Captain Pike cosplay

[01:53:18] [SPEAKER_05]: just walked by with the hair and everything too looks fantastic looks great. Speaking of which

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I got I got something I want to talk about completely different from the yeah what did you

[01:53:28] [SPEAKER_07]: take charge programming with show and that's what I make me irrelevant like you know what I do

[01:53:32] [SPEAKER_05]: well I need your input on it so you know because you're smarter than I am. I want to talk about

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: that that clip of season three of strange and worlds that came out where they all turn

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_05]: into Vulcans spoiler alert spoiler alert if you haven't seen it go see it I'm not you know I don't

[01:53:46] [SPEAKER_05]: know what episode it is I don't know the context behind it I just know that it happens and so

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_05]: they turn into Vulcans and Pike turns into a Vulcan and literally his hair is about a foot and a

[01:53:57] [SPEAKER_07]: half tall. Well that would say we've we've been introverted by our presenting sponsor. Yes the great

[01:54:04] [SPEAKER_07]: wonderful ginger giant that he is ginger giant Lou from fans. I think they're what they're

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_01]: recalled a ginger no it's not such a lie no it's such a lie Lou it's so great to see him

[01:54:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you guys killing it this week I'm sure. It's Star Trek we we are the we are Star Trek that

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_01]: we've said that since beginning with why we're still around and we're we're still tied to you guys

[01:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: which I don't know how that happened but no I think you were drunk maybe yeah yeah we know but you

[01:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know this it isn't it isn't Vegas without you guys I would lose probably half of my excitement

[01:54:44] [SPEAKER_01]: about coming here if we didn't get to see you guys same you know it's our family. Well if yeah I

[01:54:50] [SPEAKER_05]: did you you guys are family it's been an incredible weekend it's always fun we have a good time

[01:54:54] [SPEAKER_05]: these guys it fancets and I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing it's a poor planning on

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_05]: your part or just like you're awesome sold out of the poker chip for this year on Thursday

[01:55:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Thursday amazing usually the least attended day of the fun absolutely amazing you guys have

[01:55:10] [SPEAKER_05]: killing it you've been five six rows deep all weekend long because everybody knows that you guys

[01:55:14] [SPEAKER_05]: put out the best stuff because you know what your pins have character fortunately I don't

[01:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: we know we know so we decided to put it well what character we had into our pins

[01:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're right the poker chip you know last year we did the same number of poker chip pins

[01:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and we still have the quirk one available here at the show so you go into it thinking all right

[01:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's probably not a bad number we only have a handful left but we still have a handful left so

[01:55:48] [SPEAKER_01]: we ordered the same number and literally sold out in two days that's crazy maybe should

[01:55:53] [SPEAKER_01]: order more for next year dummy no I don't do that part of the business I'm in charge of

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you're the face of the franchise oh my gosh this tells me the neolix is insanely popular

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: yes yeah yep yeah it it it it was really a beautiful pin this year too and last year

[01:56:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it was great also but it was really the red sparkle just yeah and we got more coming so

[01:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because we always like to release them to the fans outside the United States or right inside

[01:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: United States people didn't attend the show and we're gonna have some more in in September

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_01]: of both the poker chip and the show pin the lower deck show pin because that one's that one is

[01:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna sell out today what are the odds of getting a holiday moopsy pin very good yeah very good what

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_05]: you've been you've been listening to now he's been reading here I think he's still your notebook

[01:56:51] [SPEAKER_01]: behind the desk what do you yeah that's probably going to be what we end up doing as a holiday

[01:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: now that was just off the top my head and because I'm fucking brilliant we also follow with

[01:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the the delta as a different delta on the holiday pin it's nice we really want to build

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that you can hang them on your tree and yeah let me ask you this man what has been your favorite

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: part of the convention so far this week well that's in curl meeting the fans that's the you know we

[01:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: set in front of a computer screen for 50 weeks the year yeah and that's all we that's our interaction

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that's all we get to see and it's I can't tell you how many people come up here and say

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so and so and it's like I handle 50 you know 104 times I handled their packages right

[01:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the course of the year and we don't we don't really get to meet them so it's

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the best part is getting to meet it's a family reunion it is it has we've been saying that for

[01:58:00] [SPEAKER_05]: so long now it's you know it's not so much the panels and it's great to see all the stars

[01:58:04] [SPEAKER_05]: and everything but it's just reunion with the family that you only get to see once a year yeah

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have to say that no matter who would walk up to our booth as a performing member

[01:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: of any of the shows we would be of course we'd love to see them and you get to know them absolutely

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's it's the friendships of the people who send you notes or tag you into something who

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_01]: have our product hanging on their walls that's that's the best part and I have to tell you something

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_01]: John and I were walking through the hall today and eight years ago this week there was in the

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_01]: hall we were walking down the hall and it was impossible to find two people three people in a row

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_01]: who didn't have something of ours all that's amazing it's in their houses it's on their jackets it's

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_07]: on their briefcases it's pretty humbling I said because people are using your product to celebrate

[01:59:05] [SPEAKER_07]: their fandom yes and that's gotta be kind of next level it's one thing to come up with this

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_07]: product idea and to market it and to sell it but it's another thing to see people adopting it

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to their love of this franchise it's one of the reasons we don't go and try to land more licenses

[01:59:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because we just want to stay start trek focused start trek specific it's caused a lot of other

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_01]: havoc when you try to get outside of where you what really good at right and we're not going to do

[01:59:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that so we're stay we're sticking in the delta quadrant and we're happy to be there I tell you what

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: you mentioned in a second ago this year's show pin the lower dex pin I got to say I think it's

[01:59:46] [SPEAKER_05]: the best pin you've ever done it's gorgeous it's beautiful it's got glitter so you know I'm going

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: to like it it's it's awesome and I gotta ask you're probably gonna sell out of those I would

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_05]: imagine do you think that you'll be getting additional batches of those to also have over

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: on your website at some point yeah we ordered we ordered more of those the day we sold out

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: of the poker chip because we know we're gonna sell out of those as well and we're close

[02:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't think we'll make it to today on them so we'll have another hundred hundred

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and fifty of both of those landing in September there the molds are done which is we need

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: production time so we got to fight for some production time and then we'll we'll get him back

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: here quickly awesome they've already been ordered so I mean they're they're in they're in the

[02:00:33] [SPEAKER_07]: process you're doing a great job of this man on the street thing and handing your mic over

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: to the lead on his target because I'm sitting down and he's standing up that's because you don't

[02:00:42] [SPEAKER_05]: do much I don't exercise I'm a big you know big tub

[02:00:45] [SPEAKER_05]: fact golf fact golf yeah I'm fact golf so let me ask you a question since I get you right here

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_05]: because we had this argument yesterday there is a golf pin it fan sets a micro group pin

[02:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: and Bill says that it's actually me and you just call it golf that's it that's exactly right

[02:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in fact I will post a picture I will post a picture of the box in our warehouse

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that says Dan Davidson and then we have a little bubble beside the character that says

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_07]: but I'm golf so now you son of a bitch you have two pins two pins yes one of you is Thanos

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_07]: and one of you is called and I'm over here right with nothing but unfortunately the Thanos

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: one is not one that you can get that's just a special one that I had not sure it's just

[02:01:28] [SPEAKER_07]: special pin that you give out to your friends and to and whoever it's still you are the subject

[02:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: of two fan sets pins you are in me use your character your facial features in the section 31

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: pin of Spock's brain I was going to say did you make a hoarder pin because wouldn't that be Bill

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_08]: is that why Spock looks fat I have never liked you I hate you so much but I love you

[02:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: it is it is so good to have you sit here well this for a few minutes you said it best

[02:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: this wouldn't be nearly as fun as if we didn't have you guys as part of what we do and

[02:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: and we appreciate everything you do and and that we will continue to do it forever my friend

[02:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: well your podcast are for the best fans in the universe for any fandom we like to think that

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: make products for that fandom and do it in a way that is quality so it was it was destined to happen

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that we would meet you what it was destiny it's all I can say I don't know how to explain it

[02:02:34] [SPEAKER_07]: and Dan he did not say density which is what you would normally say oh my density you're my

[02:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: density back to the future reference Chris for Lloyd is here actually also which is pretty cool

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: look at that what time things all together man I'm actually like making sense today no you're you're

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_05]: you're not I just want to be clear because that's my destiny

[02:02:58] [SPEAKER_07]: Dan here we are last day last day that's still me that's still me it's a great day but it's a

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: sad day all at the same time oh it always is the last day is always very sad no matter where

[02:03:09] [SPEAKER_05]: we are whether it was a trek long island a couple months ago or last year here the last day is

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: always sad especially when it gets really close to the end of the day 530 when the vendors are

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_07]: yeah it's 1230 now yeah we got five more hours I'm gonna go get in line for Shattner so you won't

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_05]: see me ever again right oh I finally come to this is most of Navi's autograph I finally got it

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: today after three years of trying third times the charm it is or had to wait in line for an hour

[02:03:37] [SPEAKER_05]: and 20 minutes but you were you really going that long it was about 11 35 I left I'm sorry 10 35

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I went to get in line she showed up a little late because she was doing a panel and then I finally

[02:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: got a signature like 20 past 12 Joe was just humping your head from behind that doesn't surprise me at all

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_07]: I know I was over here just doing Michael McDonald in personation oh I missed that you know it was it was good

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_05]: okay keeping people entertained while I was gone the real entertainment wasn't here so he had to fill in yeah

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: that too yeah as a one-of-law we got a sci-fi sister walk-up by right now to me who will be on stage

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: in just a little while with Sonequa and Dave Jala that is going to be awesome and you are

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: running the whole thing come on over say hi I'm not nervous at all why would you be nervous

[02:04:29] [SPEAKER_07]: nope not because there's these big microphones and say trekgeaks it's only like this big huge room

[02:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: prostitute there's nothing you only this there'll only be like 2,000 people there

[02:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: they can't so it's a mess of them all they can I'm just gonna be sitting up there going there are

[02:04:48] [SPEAKER_05]: four lights and we have a galaxy we have a galaxy quest contingent that's the

[02:04:59] [SPEAKER_05]: who with right now the thermions are going by course it was a galaxy quest reunion here this week which is

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: pretty awesome yep love you too good luck it's gonna be awesome just to me it walks away on the

[02:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: earth she's gonna be she's gonna kill up their dude absolutely gonna kill it I really wish you

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_07]: be calling like the PGA tour and now putting for eagle at four under par Dan Davidson

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_07]: putting for eagle thank you wow that's oh oh no he missed he's lining up his putt again oh

[02:05:34] [SPEAKER_07]: he missed again wow say okay here he goes wow this is his third try he really can't think

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: this putt Dan you're terrible with this I've been played golf in years just top golf is the only

[02:05:46] [SPEAKER_05]: time I've actually someone at golf club when we've done it here in Vegas over the last couple of

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_05]: years and we need to do that to sure we did not do that this year yep we were we had nothing to do

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_05]: the convention but yet we didn't have time to do anything like that I know what's up with that

[02:05:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand but uh last night was of course a fun night we had our little trek talk

[02:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: skick off yeah it was it was a lot of fun there were a lot of people there it was a fun evening

[02:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: always glad to be part of that it was it's for such a good cause and they have that actual kickoff

[02:06:17] [SPEAKER_05]: we're now kicked off for the preparation and getting that ready Amy of course is such a dear friend

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_05]: she throws that party for the kickoff and it's it was great to be there we're on the 61st floor

[02:06:29] [SPEAKER_07]: the Delano hotel in Las Vegas that's the one that's attached to Manly Bay and um it's always

[02:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of time you were 10 in bar I was 10 in bar yeah and it was it was nonstop I did not stop for

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: one single second but it was so much fun making drinks making made my Chinese we actually ran out

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: my signature martini in 15 minutes because everybody wanted it so we had to we had to make

[02:06:54] [SPEAKER_07]: do after the fact I was just happy because I really didn't have to spend any time with you

[02:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: at that part I was gonna say you probably had the best time cause I wasn't staying next to you

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_05]: stealing all your thunder and farting or stealing all your thunder whoa that's not we're wow

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know where to go with this of course as we have done it's become a tradition now we went out

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: into with John Billingsley and he's become such a dear friend because of because of trek talks

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: in the Hollywood food coalition and we had a great steak dinner he and I demolished a 32 ounce

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: time-ahawk steak and I gotta say it was I'm not upset that we did which one of you got to know

[02:07:33] [SPEAKER_05]: on the bone we both not on the bone actually we did not do it together oh my god we have a

[02:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: red alert and a black alert the one and only beautiful fun energetic and awesome Michelle

[02:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Speck is right here at our booth to say hi she's gonna jump in and say hi Michelle

[02:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Hi boys how you doing we're doing how are you I'm fabulous I'm working on three hours

[02:07:58] [SPEAKER_07]: sleep how about y'all oh wow that's my alarm didn't go off this morning because my phone

[02:08:03] [SPEAKER_07]: wasn't set perfectly on the wireless charger so it was dead by the time the alarm is supposed to go off

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: well um what the fuck are you doing you I thought that means you'd still be asleep

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: all right we're the truckyx we have things to do

[02:08:17] [SPEAKER_05]: call that's correct me from wrong yesterday you only got a couple of hours sleep

[02:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: that is true that is true I am averaging about three to four hours of sleep here at this

[02:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: commitment have you had any caffeine no not this morning but it still is energetic as always yes

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I really should come out of your shell more yeah I know I really wish I could just be let

[02:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: people know who I am it's been awesome Michelle has been at our table signing this weekend and

[02:08:46] [SPEAKER_05]: it's been one of the highlights of the entire week she is just such a wonderful she was on our third

[02:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: episode of Trekgeaks and more than 300 episodes ago almost ten years ago yeah exactly

[02:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I know everybody out there loves these two I mean who doesn't who doesn't love him in damn

[02:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish you guys if you have not had the pleasure of meeting them in person or having them at your event

[02:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: or in some way becoming involved with them so you can actually hang out with them in person

[02:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I pity you I seriously pity you your life is not as full as it could because they are two

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: of the best humans on the planet and just the dearest most special souls in the world and I'm

[02:09:24] [SPEAKER_00]: getting acclaimed because I not just because I haven't slept but because I love you guys so

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_07]: oh my god you know you're not an emission log booth right right yeah

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: right I wish we could become more like emission log we pity you humans we give you

[02:09:42] [SPEAKER_05]: well one of there's been so many highlights this week but having you here when we got the

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_05]: when we get the word that you were gonna be here oh my god I mean it was just awesome the last

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: and as always you never disappoint ever oh she oh he got a kiss on on while we're recording

[02:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: he she I didn't I don't even know what to say I've been a cost it you're a jerk