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[06:30.000 --> 06:59.980] fantastic organization. You can actually still donate to the telephone now and rewatch all eight hours of it on our YouTube channel or cherry pick it because there are chapter markers in there now. And you can go to give butter.com slash Trek talks three to donate if you haven't done so already that that URL should work pretty much forever until next year. Yeah, it works right now. I'm actually there right now. What's really cool is when you're on that screen where you can donate right from that URL that Bill just mentioned is when you see two hundred
[06:59.980 --> 07:29.960] and twenty percent of our goal has been raised because our goal was fifty thousand dollars to see two hundred and twenty percent. That's really just amazing. And as as as we've said before, this fandom appreciates the gene's vision that we always talk about and and how to be there for one another and to help other people and they came out in full force that day and have continued since the thirteenth and it's it's just amazing to see. Well in addition to thanking all of the people who donated and all the people who shared. You know, social
[07:29.960 --> 07:59.920] media posts about the broadcast if you couldn't donate and all the people who just supported us in this effort. We have to thank everybody involved. I'm not just on the team that you know that we work with but also the guests who showed up for us and some show up year after year and say what can I do and others are showing up for the first year and say I want to do this again. Everybody associated with that day did an amazing amazing job and I am so
[07:59.960 --> 08:29.920] grateful and thankful to every single one of them because it was just magical. What I find so amazing about what it was like on the thirteenth. I remember the first year we were doing this and John Billingsley said, you know guys just keep in mind. This is Hollywood. People are busy. People have things that come up then they have they have to cancel. So don't be surprised if we have you know forty to fifty percent of the people that say they're going to be able to come have to cancel the last minute. First year we had a hundred percent participation which blew our minds and John's.
[08:29.960 --> 08:58.960] Second year hundred percent participation. This past month third year one hundred percent participation. That is unheard of and that just goes to show that the people that are in front of the camera and behind the camera for Star Trek feel as passionate about this as we do and it's just it's incredible to see. It's incredible to watch all of them talk about the things that they've experienced and also to do it for such a great cause. It was really something else.
[08:59.680 --> 09:05.600] You know the last two years it's been a partnership between Hollywood food coalition us and the
[09:05.600 --> 09:11.280] Roddenbury podcast network. This year we added Trek movie.com into the mix and we're so grateful
[09:11.280 --> 09:17.320] for you know the the help provided by them and in promoting and also you know the the
[09:17.320 --> 09:26.160] direct work that you know Lori Ulster did. Amazing. Just all planning long. I know it saved my butt
[09:26.160 --> 09:33.240] a ton because I just did not have as many cycles this year starting a new job. But I look forward
[09:33.240 --> 09:41.320] to next year. Already I want to raise one dollar more. Got it. Oh and hey we have our first meeting
[09:41.320 --> 09:48.480] on Trek talks for tomorrow. How about that. Yeah. No. Tomorrow. Tomorrow. No it's the ninth. No it's the
[09:48.480 --> 09:52.360] ninth they moved it. Damn it I was looking forward to it. Oh well it turns out you I'm going to be on a
[09:52.360 --> 09:59.840] plane. Oh well okay. Well I guess I'll have to you know fill in for you again. Oh yeah I don't want
[09:59.840 --> 10:07.120] to hear that. I'm not even going to say anything. Anything else we want to catch up on. Lots of
[10:07.120 --> 10:12.760] stuff going on in the Star Trek universe. Section 31 is starting principal production and that was
[10:12.760 --> 10:17.640] pretty exciting and I don't care about that. I'm kind of stuff going on. Anything Star Trek is
[10:17.640 --> 10:21.480] fun. Great new start. Good great new Paramount Plus commercial with Sir Patrick Stewart came
[10:21.480 --> 10:26.360] out today. That was fun. She's odd Latif not being in the Section 31 movie really is a bummer. Very
[10:26.360 --> 10:32.520] sad. I think he kind of needs to be there but yeah he's probably busy doing something else. So I
[10:32.520 --> 10:38.120] got a question for you. Yeah. So we're nine years into doing Trek Geeks next year is our 10th
[10:38.120 --> 10:47.160] anniversary. Right. We've accomplished a lot of things we set out to do and more. What do you want
[10:47.160 --> 10:55.960] to do next? What goal would you have for year 10 and beyond? Well I have to look at Trek talks
[10:55.960 --> 11:02.040] and kind of use that as my barometer. And one thing that I would really love to do because it
[11:02.040 --> 11:10.040] means a lot to me. I know it means a lot to people like Armin Sherman and his wife Kitty and Jonathan
[11:10.120 --> 11:17.960] Frakes. I would love to have Jonathan involved with us somehow in doing something to do for Pan Can.
[11:19.080 --> 11:23.960] I'd love to have some kind of fundraiser where we can get him maybe in person or if not another
[11:23.960 --> 11:29.240] virtual thing like we did with him with Feeding America to kind of start branching out. Hollywood
[11:29.240 --> 11:34.120] food coalition is always going to be the nearest and dearest. But I lost my father-in-law to
[11:34.120 --> 11:40.040] pancreatic cancer. I know that Frakes lost his brother and Kitty is a survivor. Right. And I think
[11:40.040 --> 11:47.240] it would be great to do something for that worthy cause at some point maybe in year 10 as kind of
[11:47.240 --> 11:52.840] our celebration year to do something. But that's just off the top of my head. I'd have to give it some
[11:52.840 --> 12:01.160] more thought as to what I'd like to do in addition for our 10th anniversary. I like that goal. I would
[12:01.160 --> 12:07.480] love to do something like that. I think it would be wonderful to extend what we do with these
[12:07.480 --> 12:14.040] microphones and branch out. Like I said in recording the outtake if this kind of thing is what we're
[12:14.040 --> 12:19.640] known for, if that's our last thing legacy I'm totally fine with it. If I had to pick one for
[12:19.640 --> 12:26.040] year 10 and beyond, you and I were robbed of the opportunity to do a stage show which we had
[12:26.040 --> 12:32.440] scheduled for downtown Concord, New Hampshire because of the pandemic. I still would really like
[12:32.440 --> 12:42.840] to do one. Last year we did the live podcast in Vegas at Millennium Fandom which was a great
[12:42.840 --> 12:52.920] time. But it really didn't go off the way I wanted to logistically. I would have liked a little
[12:52.920 --> 13:01.400] more set up in preparation. I would have liked an actual audio system. I would like to do a big
[13:03.240 --> 13:10.840] stage worthy live podcast probably with guests of some sort that is at a venue worthy of such a
[13:10.840 --> 13:17.080] thing where there are actual seats and there's an actual stage. That kind of thing. We wouldn't
[13:17.080 --> 13:22.680] live stream it or anything but it probably would be some sort of event for charity. I would love
[13:22.920 --> 13:28.120] to do something like that. Something like that. Something that just came into my mind when we
[13:28.120 --> 13:34.440] were saying this and we may have actually talked about it which is why I thought of it is talking
[13:34.440 --> 13:39.320] about the Deep Space Nine episode past tense, the two-parter because that's right around now where
[13:39.320 --> 13:45.240] this was happening if I remember correctly that all the things took place in California.
[13:46.600 --> 13:51.240] When I get said to come on stage, talk about it since he was there. I almost think it needs to be
[13:51.320 --> 13:55.000] bigger and not just like an episode discussion. If you think about it.
[13:55.000 --> 14:01.480] Well, we could turn it into a much bigger episode than just a discussion more than just the episode
[14:01.480 --> 14:05.160] because of everything going on in the world today. It's kind of like coming true.
[14:06.280 --> 14:09.640] So that's the kind of thing it takes a lot of planning. Of course, you're going to have to find a
[14:09.640 --> 14:15.800] venue because we want to do it for charity. We'd want it to be a ticketed event and there are other
[14:15.800 --> 14:21.560] logistics there that you have to be concerned with. Getting people to, if we have guests,
[14:21.560 --> 14:29.400] getting them to a theater. That type of thing. So we'll see. I don't know. I don't know because
[14:29.400 --> 14:32.840] pretty soon I'm going to be moving to a different state. Oh, that's right. I was just going to say,
[14:32.840 --> 14:37.240] they got that new place in Nashua which is I've been to and it's fantastic. You're not going to be
[14:37.240 --> 14:44.280] near Nashua. Nothing says I can't hop on a plane and fly up to do it. It just means that somebody would
[14:44.280 --> 14:51.560] have to do a lot of legwork that lives here. Yeah. Hi. Hi. I'm Dan. Hi, Dan.
[14:52.520 --> 14:57.160] Well, why don't you and I do a little business with America and then we'll come back and we'll
[14:57.160 --> 15:02.760] talk some Spectree of the Gun. Spectree. Love it. See, I took it away from you again. You did. That's
[15:02.760 --> 15:04.440] twice. Same episode.
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[15:57.880 --> 16:03.240] Wait, wait, isn't that like the fifth Delta from that episode? Yeah, you would think so, but Bill,
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[16:53.640 --> 17:04.600] Dan, here we are for the first time in a long time to talk about an episode. It just happens
[17:04.600 --> 17:10.680] to be one that you and I both love. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
[17:10.680 --> 17:17.160] Spectree of the goon. Spectree of the goon. Yes, that's how they say it over there in Scotland
[17:17.160 --> 17:22.280] or somewhere over there. I bet it's not. No, not at all. No, this is, it's funny when we were
[17:22.280 --> 17:25.960] talking about what we wanted to do. You said pick an episode. We'll just do an episode because
[17:25.960 --> 17:30.200] then we'll just be able to get right back into the swing of things. And this is the first one that
[17:30.200 --> 17:34.840] came to mind. And I can't believe we've never talked about this in the nine years that we have
[17:34.840 --> 17:41.480] been doing this. This is both of us. It's one of our favorite episodes. And when I said it and
[17:41.480 --> 17:45.720] realized that we hadn't done it, it was like, oh my God, we're doing Spectree of the goon.
[17:46.520 --> 17:52.520] You know, the reason I love this episode is partly because of its sort of minimalist
[17:53.560 --> 17:59.720] quality. It's almost surrealism. I love the royale for the same reason. Oh, yeah, that's
[17:59.720 --> 18:05.720] that's a good point. Because the landing partners or the away team winds up in the situation.
[18:05.720 --> 18:11.720] They have to see the whole situation through to its conclusion in order to get back home.
[18:12.280 --> 18:18.680] Now, in this episode, it means that either they find a way to not die or they're dead.
[18:18.680 --> 18:23.640] Or they die. Right. Right. And in the royale, they find a way out of there or they spend the
[18:23.640 --> 18:29.480] rest of their lives in this groundhog day-like scenario. That's a good way to go.
[18:29.480 --> 18:34.360] You know, as we record this, tomorrow is groundhog day. That's right. Oh, wow, that's kind of funny.
[18:34.360 --> 18:37.560] Yeah. Did you, did that just like actually come out of your mouth? Or did you think of that earlier?
[18:37.560 --> 18:40.680] No, that just literally came into my brain. That's pretty good. That's why you're good. That's
[18:40.680 --> 18:47.160] why you're good. Yeah. This is a great one. Let's get a little important information out of the way
[18:47.160 --> 18:53.560] in regards to it. This was the sixth episode of season three. It first aired on October 25th,
[18:53.560 --> 19:01.720] 1968, written by Lee Cronin, who of course was the pseudonym of the showrunner Gene Kuhn.
[19:02.840 --> 19:09.560] And it was directed by Vincent McEavitt. Wow, McEavity. That's an interesting name, McEavity.
[19:10.440 --> 19:15.960] And wonderfully directed because of all the things that had to be done to make this episode work,
[19:15.960 --> 19:21.480] which we'll get into as we talk. But in case those of you who like to memorize start dates,
[19:21.480 --> 19:26.200] start date four, three, eight, five, point three was the start date for this episode.
[19:26.200 --> 19:29.880] I did not try to memorize the start date. Thank you for that.
[19:29.880 --> 19:34.920] I didn't either. I just read it off the screen. You know, season three is much maligned.
[19:35.640 --> 19:44.440] However, if you take a look at the front six episodes of TOS, there's really only a couple
[19:44.440 --> 19:50.840] of decent ones. That's three. It's about 50%. So the season starts with Spock's brain.
[19:50.840 --> 19:54.600] Love it. We love that episode. It continues with the enterprise incident.
[19:54.600 --> 19:58.040] Love it. Very solid. Next is the Paradise Syndrome.
[19:58.760 --> 20:02.840] Pretty good. Okay. Not bad. Not awful.
[20:03.560 --> 20:09.320] October 11th, 1968, a day which will live in infamy and the children shall lead.
[20:09.320 --> 20:11.240] Awful. Worst episode of the series.
[20:11.960 --> 20:16.440] Yeah. And then is there in truth, no beauty is the week before this?
[20:16.440 --> 20:20.440] That's not too too bad. That's not one of my favorites. Yeah, it's not one of my favorites.
[20:20.440 --> 20:25.880] It's not great. So season three off to a decent start, you know, for all the
[20:25.960 --> 20:32.200] guff that people give season three, I don't think this is one of the worst episodes in by any
[20:32.200 --> 20:36.040] case. And let's also just go a little forward. The next episode is Day of the Dove.
[20:37.480 --> 20:41.400] So another... I kind of have a love-hate relationship with it. It's an episode, yeah.
[20:41.400 --> 20:44.680] Yeah. It's not a man. No, not a man. It's an a.
[20:45.240 --> 20:50.200] Yeah. I wonder how we came down on this episode and see it or skip it.
[20:51.000 --> 20:55.560] Oh, I'm sure. We do it. Have we gotten a season three? I don't think we did season three.
[20:55.560 --> 20:59.640] Oh, I'll... It goes without saying this is definitely a see-it. Oh, it's an absolute see-it.
[20:59.640 --> 21:03.000] 100% see-it, yeah. Absolutely. So every single day of the week.
[21:03.560 --> 21:09.560] For those of you who haven't watched it or not seen it in a while, a landing party of Kirk,
[21:09.560 --> 21:19.320] Spock, McCoy, Scotty, and Chekhov wind up in this sort of minimalist gunfight at the OK Corral
[21:19.880 --> 21:30.760] as the team that lost the gunfight, which is fair to say. I mean, it's an interesting thing.
[21:30.760 --> 21:35.320] They probe the mind of Captain Kirk to sort of come up with this scenario sort of the same way
[21:35.320 --> 21:42.760] that we wind up with Abraham Lincoln at some points and Savage Curtain. But I wonder if we
[21:42.760 --> 21:47.240] go back to the well with let's probe Captain Kirk's mind and see what situation we should put him
[21:48.200 --> 21:55.720] in. Why is he had a strip club and a bar? Where you expect to find James D. Kirk, right?
[21:56.520 --> 22:00.280] Or how they... Some people think he was when he wasn't really that way. But yeah.
[22:00.280 --> 22:03.560] Well, he was a little that way. A little bit. A little bit. Yeah.
[22:03.560 --> 22:07.560] I mean, he was whatever the writers wanted him to be, honestly.
[22:07.560 --> 22:13.000] Yeah. So the landing party thinks that there's a landing party and everybody else around them
[22:13.000 --> 22:17.560] thinks that they're the Clanton gang. And that's not a good scene.
[22:18.520 --> 22:25.960] It's not good for them. No, that's for sure. Let me say one thing about what happens here,
[22:25.960 --> 22:30.600] based on my childhood. Yeah. We'll probably talk a little bit about what it was like watching
[22:30.600 --> 22:37.240] as kids. But this is interesting and something that I did not realize for years because of this
[22:37.240 --> 22:42.280] episode of Star Trek. Love this episode growing up. Because of this episode,
[22:42.280 --> 22:47.240] I always thought the Clanton gang were the good guys because of this episode,
[22:47.240 --> 22:55.480] because they make the herbs, the bad guys in this episode. So for my entire child and part of my
[22:55.480 --> 23:01.560] adult life, I did not realize that probably up until the point until I saw the fantastic and one of
[23:01.560 --> 23:06.440] the best movies ever made Tombstone. That's one of my favorite films of all time.
[23:06.520 --> 23:12.040] So if it's on, I watch it. I always thought the Clanton's were the good guys because of this episode.
[23:12.040 --> 23:17.000] Well, and honestly, Tombstone doesn't do much to kind of dissuade you with the fact that the
[23:17.000 --> 23:22.680] herbs aren't the bad guys in this scenario. Yeah. I mean, ultimately, we want to root for them
[23:22.680 --> 23:29.160] because they're the heroes. But they kind of put the Clanton gang into this situation and show up,
[23:29.160 --> 23:32.840] literally just to mow them down. True. Yeah. They're breaking the law.
[23:33.800 --> 23:40.280] You tell them, I'm coming. And how's coming with me? Gotta love that movie.
[23:40.280 --> 23:45.000] Good movie. But I have to agree with you. I thought the Clanton gang probably was bullied.
[23:46.680 --> 23:53.640] You know, it's interesting the perspective that a third party kind of always has on history.
[23:54.360 --> 23:59.000] You know, in this case, the Melcosians are sort of putting them in that role based on what's in
[23:59.000 --> 24:03.400] Kirk's mind. What did Kirk think of the Clanton gang? That's really what I would like to know.
[24:03.400 --> 24:08.600] Yeah, that's a very good point. Interestingly enough, as a child, we used to go vacationing
[24:08.600 --> 24:14.280] in different places around the company, around the country. And a couple of times, my parents
[24:14.280 --> 24:19.080] took us out to Arizona to do d'Ranches and we went to Tombstone once. So I have been actually
[24:19.080 --> 24:23.640] in Tombstone. I don't remember a lot about it because I think I was like, it was preteens. I
[24:23.720 --> 24:29.720] think I was like 10 years old. So it was well over 40 years ago. And I do remember, I don't know if
[24:29.720 --> 24:34.920] it was just for the, you know, for the tourist trap thing. But there was the bar, they said
[24:34.920 --> 24:39.480] it was the original bar and the saloon, which had bullet holes on the wall and stuff like that.
[24:39.480 --> 24:45.320] The okay crowd was very small, but we did go to Tombstone when I was a kid and went through
[24:45.320 --> 24:49.240] the tour and everything. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah, it was cool. It's something I always
[24:49.320 --> 24:54.280] remembered, but not as well as I used to. Even if it's a total tourist trap, I would totally go.
[24:54.280 --> 24:58.280] Mm hmm. Yep. I would recommend it. Especially because of this episode.
[24:58.280 --> 25:04.200] Yep, absolutely. Yeah. I'm curious as to how many people have watched this episode
[25:04.840 --> 25:07.800] and learned the history of the okay corral based on Star Trek.
[25:08.920 --> 25:11.480] Yeah. I'm raising my hand right now. Absolutely. Yeah.
[25:11.480 --> 25:13.720] I think I saw this the first time when I was maybe seven.
[25:14.680 --> 25:21.160] Same to some, sounds about right for me too. You know, yeah. So our landing party learns early
[25:21.160 --> 25:26.120] on that death is a very real thing here. Well, this may not be the real Tombstone.
[25:27.880 --> 25:33.000] The death seems to be anything but fake or minimalist. True. You know,
[25:34.120 --> 25:38.200] comes out of the bar, bang, boom, dead. Yeah, Morgan Earp just says, all right,
[25:38.280 --> 25:44.600] you're done. Uh, take a night, Gracie. And he's, he's done. You know, bones verifies,
[25:44.600 --> 25:48.840] he's dead. And they realize that the stakes are really kind of even higher. You like when the
[25:48.840 --> 25:56.280] draw, wouldn't you? I will. Times right. I'm going to do this all episode, by the way.
[25:56.280 --> 25:58.520] It would have only been better if he'd said, I'm your huckleberry.
[26:00.040 --> 26:06.120] My God, that would have been great. Yeah. I just one more riff on Tombstone for a second.
[26:06.120 --> 26:15.000] I'm only bummed that I didn't learn that Doc Holiday was essentially dying the entire time.
[26:16.840 --> 26:21.320] And not in a good way. No, not at all. I mean, the other time we really see him in this one,
[26:21.320 --> 26:25.240] he's getting in the shave. Yeah. And then he shows up for the fighting. Yeah. Right.
[26:27.240 --> 26:32.520] Funny. The landing party very quickly realizes that we can't stay here.
[26:32.600 --> 26:39.240] Mm hmm. But the Melcosians have kind of created a situation where they're going to stay there
[26:39.240 --> 26:50.360] till five o'clock, no matter what. Yep. Yes, they are. Yeah. It's, it's amazing to me that Kirk,
[26:50.360 --> 26:54.120] you know, Kirk's a smart guy. We've always known that he's a smart guy and all the things that he
[26:54.120 --> 27:00.680] does over time. But just by looking at the, what I loved, the newspaper, nailed to the wall,
[27:00.680 --> 27:05.640] which was kind of neat, like the daily headlines, he saw that it was Tombstone. And he's like,
[27:05.640 --> 27:10.120] oh, there's something about that date. He knew the date for the okay corral shooting,
[27:10.120 --> 27:15.640] which I thought was kind of neat. And it dawns on him. And he's like, he called you, Frank, me, Tom.
[27:15.640 --> 27:21.240] And Billy, I mean, it's just, it's, it's great how it all just like comes into his mind.
[27:21.240 --> 27:24.520] He called me me like you Frank bones, Tom and Billy.
[27:25.480 --> 27:29.960] Like glanton, Tom and Frank, Larry, Billy, Clay, Billy, Billy, glanton. I mean, it just, it's like
[27:29.960 --> 27:35.160] hit some boom, boom, boom, boom. It's just great shatner. It is best right there. Star Trek seems
[27:35.160 --> 27:39.480] to always focus on the date and not the event. Like everybody in the future knows all these
[27:39.480 --> 27:43.960] historical dates, like right off the top of their head, you know, and not just in TOS and all of
[27:43.960 --> 27:52.840] them. Yeah. I expect one of them to go a battle of Hastings 1066. You know, yeah, it's really
[27:52.920 --> 27:57.080] kind of weird that that Kirk, they pull this out of Kirk's head, but he knows the date.
[27:57.080 --> 28:04.200] Yeah. Yeah. So the landing party realizes that they have to do something pretty quickly
[28:05.480 --> 28:09.240] because five o'clock the hour, which they're going to have bullets put through their head.
[28:09.240 --> 28:14.360] It's a very nice visual by the way. Very nice visual is fast approaching. And so Kirk decides
[28:14.360 --> 28:21.400] to go talk to the Earps. This seems like a bad idea, doesn't it? A little bit, a little bit,
[28:21.400 --> 28:25.560] but it's Kirk, you know, he's always been the diplomat, right?
[28:27.160 --> 28:29.800] Yeah, that's the thing. I expect that is Picard.
[28:29.800 --> 28:32.600] Exactly. You took the words right out of my mouth.
[28:32.600 --> 28:36.680] I don't expect Kirk to go to the people who are going to kill him and go, Hey, look, let's talk
[28:36.680 --> 28:44.360] about this. You know, really, I swear. I'm not a client and they're like, sure, right? He wink, wink.
[28:44.920 --> 28:47.160] You better get out of here before we shoot you.
[28:47.160 --> 28:50.520] Here's one of the things that I love about this episode. We talked about the direction.
[28:51.160 --> 28:57.720] And how the director made it look like an old Western town sounded like it with the harmonica
[28:57.720 --> 29:03.160] for the TOS music, which I thought was brilliant. This one scene when he's like,
[29:03.160 --> 29:08.920] and the other guy's like, no, Wyatt. And he throws his hand to block him. The way the camera is
[29:08.920 --> 29:15.080] focused, like under the gut, like behind both guys, but under his arm, that gives it that, you know,
[29:15.080 --> 29:21.240] that whole, you know, black cowboy hat villain type look to it the way that they handle that
[29:21.240 --> 29:24.440] scene. And I thought it was, I thought that was a masterful scene right there.
[29:25.080 --> 29:29.400] It really is. You know, the, the Earps and Doc Holliday are really painted as kind of
[29:30.360 --> 29:38.200] sadistic murderers to some extent. And I get it. I mean, it fits the episode,
[29:38.200 --> 29:43.960] but I would have thought that Kirk has a massive respect for authority. He has a massive respect
[29:43.960 --> 29:49.240] for what's right and what's wrong. I would have thought that if they plucked this out of his head,
[29:49.240 --> 29:55.320] they would have imbued the, the Earps and Doc Holliday with more of a moral compass.
[29:56.520 --> 30:02.040] Not just to say, we're going to kill you, but, you know, to actually act like law men. I think that's
[30:02.040 --> 30:08.680] the one kind of weird point I have with this episode. Well, I can look at it that way. But also,
[30:08.680 --> 30:13.880] we find out later on through Spock's logic, which I'm sure we'll talk about later, that it's
[30:13.880 --> 30:20.600] that, you know, Billy survives the original fight. So things aren't the way they should be
[30:20.600 --> 30:26.680] here. So maybe they decided to throw some curveballs in it at the same time, just to make it a little
[30:26.680 --> 30:31.880] bit more entertaining for the Melcosians, maybe? I don't know. I mean, that's just a possibility
[30:31.880 --> 30:36.680] that I thought of while watching it one of these times. Yeah. Well, and maybe it was entertainment
[30:36.680 --> 30:41.160] for them to some degree, but I mean, how many times can we go back to that well in the original
[30:41.160 --> 30:45.720] series and have super godlike beings who just want to be entertained by mere mortals?
[30:45.720 --> 30:49.880] Well, you know, they don't have much to do because they're basically floating spinal columns.
[30:51.240 --> 30:56.920] But maybe they just, that's how they get their comedy TV central type stuff. I don't know.
[30:56.920 --> 31:00.840] No, it just seems like a well that we go back to and the fact that it's Jean Coon who wrote this
[31:00.840 --> 31:05.880] episode. Yeah. It makes me wonder how long he had this draft kicking around in his briefcase.
[31:06.280 --> 31:12.120] Oh, I got to fulfill my contract with Paramount. I need a script. Oh, I know I've got this one.
[31:13.160 --> 31:17.480] You know, it's I get it. It's entertaining. I'm going to watch it because I love it.
[31:18.200 --> 31:22.600] But I could see why people think they went back to the godlike thing way too often.
[31:22.600 --> 31:26.760] Oh, way too often. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then they did it in the very first episode TNG.
[31:27.640 --> 31:32.200] Right. Right. And then several episodes later and then again and then again.
[31:32.600 --> 31:37.000] Yeah. So let's talk about the whole check off thing because you mentioned it briefly.
[31:39.000 --> 31:39.560] Check off.
[31:42.520 --> 31:45.240] Sylvia is in love with Billy. Yes.
[31:45.880 --> 31:50.280] Check off is playing the part because well, we have to fit in with the natives.
[31:53.400 --> 31:58.680] Which I get it. Okay. The young guy gets to get to have a girlfriend on the planet.
[31:59.320 --> 32:03.640] Mm hmm. I don't know if check off really is in love with Sylvia,
[32:03.640 --> 32:07.560] but Sylvia is clearly in love with check off to the point where she's talking about
[32:07.560 --> 32:09.720] buying in a fabric for a wedding dress.
[32:12.120 --> 32:17.160] Uh huh. And the after that check off is like, yeah, let's do it, baby.
[32:18.120 --> 32:23.000] Let's yeah. And he plants one on her like, oh, I've been waiting for you all my life. Come
[32:23.080 --> 32:28.440] here, my love. That's like, dude, you have known her for like three seconds, an hour and a half,
[32:28.440 --> 32:35.000] maybe. Yeah. Yeah. You're not even hands off her. You're not even Billy. No. Yeah.
[32:35.720 --> 32:40.360] Hey, he tries to talk her out of it, but then he plants one on her. It's like, dude, how
[32:40.360 --> 32:46.680] long your son didn't make signals? And then Morgan or kind of call boy. Yeah.
[32:47.640 --> 32:54.760] Don't dirty yourself with this scum. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Morgan Earp doesn't seem like a very nice guy.
[32:55.720 --> 33:01.320] And he also is kind of a coward because check off only took two steps towards him and shot him.
[33:01.320 --> 33:06.920] It doesn't even reach for his gun. Yeah. Yep. No, it doesn't flinch. I thought that,
[33:07.480 --> 33:12.200] you know, when I rewatched it, you know, for this episode, I thought, well, maybe,
[33:12.200 --> 33:16.680] maybe check off really does kind of flinch or do whatever. No, Earp just shoots him down. He's
[33:16.680 --> 33:22.120] actually standing there with his hands away from his hips and starts, you know, sauntering towards
[33:22.120 --> 33:29.320] him. Yeah. And then he just gets shot somewhere. He looks like he gets shot in the chest because
[33:29.320 --> 33:35.320] of where he put his hand, but there was no blood. There was no hole in his shirt and he died.
[33:35.880 --> 33:39.880] Well, there were no blood packs in the budget for this episode because they couldn't finish the
[33:39.960 --> 33:48.360] damn wall. Which again, genius, knowing that season three had the budget slash to the bone,
[33:49.000 --> 33:59.000] they were able to make sets, not even half complete, 30% complete and make it work perfectly in this
[33:59.000 --> 34:04.360] episode. The best one, the clock hanging in the middle of nothing. Oh, I know. I love that. It's
[34:04.360 --> 34:09.560] just so great. I was looking for like to maybe see if I can see fishline. Yeah. But
[34:09.560 --> 34:12.920] couldn't really see it. No, I couldn't really see it. No, I am.
[34:13.880 --> 34:18.120] So at that point, bones confirm once check, well, you know, once check off his shot,
[34:18.120 --> 34:25.000] that check off is dead, which creates a real, a new problem because he was supposed to survive.
[34:25.560 --> 34:33.560] Right. And that kind of gets them to thinking. I would think he gets him a whole lot more
[34:33.560 --> 34:45.480] worried, quite frankly. Things can change. The whole idea that maybe they could create sort of a
[34:46.600 --> 34:57.400] tranquilizer grenade. With cotton water. Seems a little bit of a region. I think I thought that
[34:57.400 --> 35:01.880] even at seven years old, I used to think it was kind of neat that he just pulls that little thing
[35:01.880 --> 35:07.720] and also I thought that was awesome. I didn't think anything that, oh, that's kind of strange.
[35:07.720 --> 35:13.080] Although I will say, as long as I'm awake and with you at five o'clock and McCoy is like,
[35:13.080 --> 35:19.480] I guarantee it. It was like 456. And it's going to knock him out, but he's going to be ready to go
[35:19.480 --> 35:27.960] five o'clock. I thought that was hysterical. I mean, I don't doubt Spock science.
[35:28.840 --> 35:34.760] Well, neither does he. I don't doubt McCoy science. I think that in the real world,
[35:34.760 --> 35:40.520] this would work. But I think that the Malkotians, like you said, wanted to be entertained.
[35:41.720 --> 35:46.040] Now, this kind of brings up for me the question of what exactly entertains them.
[35:46.600 --> 35:55.480] Is it visitors being murdered in front of their eyes? Or is it seeing if these people are crafty
[35:55.480 --> 36:05.320] enough to get out of it? Either way, I propose that they are messed up and dark.
[36:06.120 --> 36:10.600] And interestingly enough, we never see your hero from them again.
[36:10.600 --> 36:17.720] No, we never do. Ever. Can you imagine how much more darker this episode could be
[36:18.440 --> 36:22.760] if it were produced today, let's say during strange new worlds or discovery?
[36:23.240 --> 36:28.680] Yeah. Can you imagine? All right. So let's say they teleport them right back to the OK Corral.
[36:28.680 --> 36:33.640] Well, this time it'll be a location shoot because they'd have the budget for it.
[36:33.640 --> 36:39.800] True. And I get the sense that this question would come up in the dialogue of whether they
[36:39.800 --> 36:42.920] or whether they just want to see people die or whether they want to see people smarter enough to
[36:42.920 --> 36:48.120] get out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that maybe they're a little of column A and a little column B.
[36:48.120 --> 36:51.240] What do you think? I agree. I was going to say it's probably a little bit of both.
[36:51.240 --> 36:55.800] So I'm like, oh, wow, look at that. Check off. Just died. Oh, Kirk is figuring out how to get
[36:55.800 --> 36:59.880] out of it. Oh, Spock knows that the science doesn't work here. Physics don't, you know,
[36:59.880 --> 37:04.600] don't is in the same thing. You're on this planet or in this scenario. Yeah.
[37:04.600 --> 37:09.960] Which which is amazing, which is clearly impossible. Clearly, clearly. All right.
[37:09.960 --> 37:13.640] So we have to talk about your, I know this is probably your favorite scene in the movie,
[37:13.640 --> 37:17.080] the movie, the episode, and it's my favorite scene of the episode. Okay.
[37:17.960 --> 37:23.640] When Kirk finds share of Behan and he's never named in the episode, but you and I just know
[37:23.640 --> 37:28.520] from history. He actually is, but he actually is, but you barely hear it. Okay.
[37:28.520 --> 37:32.040] When I'm walking by at the very beginning, when you see him for the first time,
[37:32.040 --> 37:36.680] when Kirk realizes where he is, he walks by and he says, don't let it be and don't let you know
[37:36.680 --> 37:42.040] that Behan didn't bubble up something something. See that totally got by me. Yeah. I sit corrected.
[37:42.040 --> 37:47.960] That's okay. But Kirk desperately, and we never see Kirk desperate very often.
[37:47.960 --> 37:51.000] Yeah. But Kirk goes to Behan and wants him to stop the fight.
[37:53.240 --> 37:55.640] And stop it. I don't. You don't.
[37:58.600 --> 38:03.240] I, Kirk is a little over the top here.
[38:04.840 --> 38:08.360] You think? Well, I think Kirk believes he's going to die.
[38:09.000 --> 38:13.320] Good possibility. I think Shatner takes it a little over the top.
[38:14.120 --> 38:20.040] He never does that. I know. But I mean, in this scene in particular, you know, where he,
[38:20.040 --> 38:24.200] you know, before the big line, and I'll let you give the big line because you do it so well.
[38:24.200 --> 38:30.680] Okay. You know, you can talk that way after what the herbs did to Billy today.
[38:31.800 --> 38:34.200] Nobody in this town will deny you. You're right to revenge.
[38:34.840 --> 38:38.440] Go ahead and finish it out. Yes, I want revenge.
[38:38.440 --> 38:41.480] I want to crush the life out of the herbs, but I just can't kill him.
[38:43.000 --> 38:46.280] I'll tell you what, you get down to the OK Corral, keep him out of sight.
[38:46.280 --> 38:50.760] When the herbs come looking, you bush-wag him. I can't kill him.
[38:50.760 --> 38:54.920] Kill him anyway, I'm done. There'll be no questions asked.
[38:54.920 --> 38:56.760] Honest. I guarantee it.
[38:56.760 --> 39:00.360] I'll kill him anyway, you're done.
[39:01.160 --> 39:12.360] So Bihan is encouraging the ambush and murder of the US Marshal in his jurisdiction.
[39:13.480 --> 39:16.200] I just want to be sure I got this right. You did get that right.
[39:16.200 --> 39:21.000] You absolutely did get it right. So even Bihan thinks that they're, they're terrors.
[39:21.720 --> 39:23.320] Uh-huh. Yep.
[39:25.560 --> 39:29.880] You know, in the, in the scene earlier on when Kirk goes to talk to the herbs,
[39:31.080 --> 39:36.920] and I had this moment where I expected, well, one of the herbs says,
[39:38.040 --> 39:43.000] to Kirk, are you yellow? And I expected Kirk to turn around like Marty McFly,
[39:43.000 --> 39:45.000] but the music can go, what?
[39:47.000 --> 39:49.560] I always knew you was yellow, Clinton.
[39:50.440 --> 39:53.880] Yeah. I expected him to turn around like Michael J. Fox. I don't know why,
[39:54.920 --> 39:57.320] but I think I'm just conditioned to that now.
[39:57.320 --> 40:04.360] That's funny. That scene with Bihan is one of the best, but it's not my favorite scene of the
[40:04.360 --> 40:13.320] episode. Oh, which one is? My favorite scene of the episode is when McCoy goes to the barber
[40:13.320 --> 40:19.080] or the dentist's office and is looking for supplies and there's a guy working on a guy in a
[40:19.160 --> 40:24.280] chair and he wants, I will, I need, I need to, and he's looking, he just goes and he starts like
[40:24.280 --> 40:28.040] picking up drugs and he's looking, I need some of this. I need some of this. Well, that's, that's
[40:28.040 --> 40:31.880] his stuff. You're going to have to ask him. And it turned out to be Doc Holiday. And Doc Holiday
[40:31.880 --> 40:37.320] is having a blast with him. Oh, yeah. We've heard about your, your, your jokes, blah, blah, blah, but
[40:37.320 --> 40:43.800] at the end, the, the, my favorite line and just the way it's given is he goes, he, he says,
[40:44.120 --> 40:49.160] your emergency, your emergency sure is real. The only best you'd be finished by five o'clock
[40:50.120 --> 40:54.520] because at one minute past five, you'll find a hole in your head
[40:56.120 --> 41:03.400] right from this gun and he holds up a sawed off. I was going to bring that up. I love that scene.
[41:03.400 --> 41:07.640] It's just my favorite scene. The way that that guy brings that line across. It's my favorite part
[41:07.640 --> 41:14.920] of the episode. Yeah. So Doc Holiday holds up his weapon of choice, sort of the street cannon,
[41:14.920 --> 41:21.240] the, the sawed off shotgun. And here's the thing, it's not just going to leave a hole in his head.
[41:22.040 --> 41:26.680] Let's be honest, it's going to adhere his head clean off. Clean off. Yep.
[41:27.400 --> 41:33.160] I mean, and that's not hyperbole. I mean, that's why that, that's what sawed off shotguns do.
[41:33.640 --> 41:38.760] And interestingly enough, fast forward to the movie Tombstone, because we're doing that today,
[41:38.760 --> 41:44.200] at the fight scene at the OK Corral in order for Doc Holiday to get a clean shot at somebody,
[41:44.200 --> 41:49.160] he has a sawed off shotgun that he fires in the air to get the horse to jump and then shoots the guy.
[41:49.160 --> 41:53.000] Yep. Sawed off shotgun by Doc Holiday. Interesting.
[41:53.880 --> 42:00.120] I think that's actually, that might be historically accurate. I don't know, but I could believe it
[42:00.120 --> 42:06.200] would be. Yeah, me too. Yep. So that you, that should have just thrown him being a
[42:06.200 --> 42:12.760] longer and he would have been all set. Right. Yeah. Right. He's not yet begun to defile himself.
[42:12.760 --> 42:17.560] This is almost turning it into an episode on Tombstone. And we may actually have to do a special
[42:17.560 --> 42:21.320] episode on Tombstone for painting. I would like to do that. I'm all for that.
[42:21.320 --> 42:27.400] Just for Patreon. Yep. That's cool with me. So go ahead. I was going to say,
[42:28.360 --> 42:33.400] so all of these different aspects of the episode are great. The lack of budget,
[42:34.360 --> 42:39.400] the acting scenes, the different things going on, the spinal column aliens, the red sky
[42:40.120 --> 42:46.440] is fantastic throughout the episode. Yeah. Even when everybody's, when they're at the OK Corral
[42:46.440 --> 42:52.280] and all the herbs are starting to walk towards it with the wind blowing and the thunder and the
[42:52.360 --> 43:00.840] lightning flashing so that the trees are reflecting their shadows on the red sky walls that are set
[43:00.840 --> 43:06.680] up behind them. Any other show you'd be like, Oh my God, look how fake that fake that looks.
[43:06.680 --> 43:12.680] It works in this episode. I love the fact that you purposely can see those shadows on the,
[43:12.680 --> 43:16.440] on the set walls. It's great. You know, I never thought about that. And all the years I've
[43:16.440 --> 43:21.080] watched this episode and just loved it every time. I never once thought about the shadows on the,
[43:21.720 --> 43:25.720] on the scram or the site or whatever you want to call it, depending if you're a theater person or
[43:26.360 --> 43:32.440] a sound stage person. I love them. Now that's all I'm going to see. You're welcome.
[43:32.440 --> 43:39.480] Thanks for ruining it for me. Dang. So our surviving landing party members
[43:42.520 --> 43:47.400] get to the OK Corral, which I think is bigger than the actual OK Corral. It is.
[43:48.360 --> 43:54.680] I think so, yes. And they realize that once they get there, it's surrounded by a force field,
[43:54.680 --> 44:02.360] which makes it truly impossible for them to. Yep. They are theoretically doomed to this fate.
[44:03.800 --> 44:08.360] And let's let me let me jump in and say they don't actually go to the OK Corral.
[44:08.360 --> 44:11.960] Well, they are transported because Kirk is like, we're not going to move from this spot.
[44:12.920 --> 44:19.720] Oh, great. We're going to stay right here. I love that part. And then, of course, you get the old
[44:19.720 --> 44:26.200] Batman 66 spiral. So they wind up at the OK Corral. Thank you for correcting me.
[44:26.200 --> 44:39.560] No problem. And they realize that a mind meld from Spock may be their only way out of this.
[44:42.840 --> 44:48.920] That's the one I got to say. I'm going to be honest. That's the one part of the episode that I'm
[44:48.920 --> 44:59.720] kind of like on. OK, why? It's too convenient. And I'll tell you what, no matter what Spock is
[44:59.720 --> 45:07.000] doing, he's half human. No matter what Spock says or puts in your mind, he's still half human.
[45:07.000 --> 45:14.760] He says the slightest doubt can kill you. I'm afraid I'd always have that slightest doubt.
[45:16.040 --> 45:21.320] Yeah. Not not so much because I don't trust him, but he is half human.
[45:21.320 --> 45:25.560] So it's true. Are you telling me that he doesn't have the smallest slight slightest doubt?
[45:27.560 --> 45:33.400] Do you think maybe his logical Vulcan side is strong enough to sort of
[45:34.360 --> 45:39.400] apparently that doubt out of the picture? It must be because it works. Yeah. But yeah.
[45:39.400 --> 45:44.520] But that's one thing that I've always questioned of all in all the years of loving this episode is
[45:44.520 --> 45:50.120] that aspect of it. Interesting. I don't want to say I've had a similar question, but I've had kind of
[45:51.720 --> 46:01.160] a tangential question. And it's this. This mind meld seems a whole lot like hypnosis.
[46:02.040 --> 46:12.200] Hey, do not go ahead. Right? In which case, what can't mind melds do? Apparently,
[46:13.400 --> 46:16.920] earlier on in like season one, Spock controls somebody through a wall.
[46:17.800 --> 46:23.640] All right, I forgot about that. He can essentially blank people's memories
[46:24.360 --> 46:30.680] that we've learned with Kirk. In this case, he can hypnotize them.
[46:31.640 --> 46:35.480] Sure. Why not? Am I wrong? Does it seem like hypnosis? No, it really does,
[46:35.480 --> 46:39.800] especially the look on McCoy's face. It kind of reminds me of mirror mirror. He's got that
[46:39.800 --> 46:47.160] look again. He's like, yeah. So yeah, absolutely. So yeah, he does the hypnosis. And even though
[46:47.160 --> 46:51.320] I'm sorry, I'd be dead because the slightest doubt can kill you.
[46:52.280 --> 46:57.000] The slightest doubt. But even with that slightest doubt, the best special effects,
[46:57.560 --> 47:02.280] that aren't even special effects, take place in the next scene when the bullets are like going
[47:02.280 --> 47:08.200] off the back of the of the wood behind them. I love that. I got to tell you, as a kid,
[47:09.160 --> 47:17.560] I was stunned by that. I'm like, how do they do that? You see the bullets come through the
[47:17.640 --> 47:25.880] other side of the wood? Yeah. Like how can they do that? I was totally amazed. I totally bought in.
[47:26.680 --> 47:31.080] Yeah. At seven years old. It was great. I love that part. Even today, it's great.
[47:32.040 --> 47:36.680] It's really fantastic. I think that they probably blew the budget on those squibs.
[47:37.960 --> 47:44.120] Probably. Because it certainly wasn't on anything else. I hope they didn't have to do any retakes.
[47:44.920 --> 47:50.040] Oh, I'd ever thought about that. Yeah. And of course, you know, that happens.
[47:50.040 --> 47:55.560] The all the bolt, they run out of bullets and then Kirk decides just Kirk Fu it. He goes charging
[47:55.560 --> 48:01.240] at the guy both feet into the chest. The Kirk drop kick. Oh gosh. Yeah. You got to have some
[48:01.240 --> 48:06.120] good old fashioned Kirk Fu dating war to be proud of me right now. That's true. And then after
[48:06.120 --> 48:11.240] that, they all wind up suddenly on the bridge and check offs alive and well. Right. And I'll be
[48:11.880 --> 48:18.280] have I been? This girl, she was so beautiful, so real. And then you hear
[48:19.880 --> 48:23.480] Aliens. I wanted to do that. I'll show.
[48:28.520 --> 48:32.280] The sort of kicker scene in this, you know, the one right before the credits,
[48:32.280 --> 48:35.720] where usually they have the Star Trek laughing syndrome is a little more serious.
[48:36.200 --> 48:37.640] Yeah.
[48:38.680 --> 48:43.880] Spock asks Kirk, you know, kind of this question, you know, did you really want to kill the herbs?
[48:45.880 --> 48:52.920] And I don't I think that part of me thinks that Kirk really did to avenge check off.
[48:54.280 --> 49:00.120] But I also think that he thought it was the only way out of the thing. You know, we learn from Kirk
[49:00.120 --> 49:04.840] later on that he carries a grudge, right? Star Trek six, the undiscovered country.
[49:04.840 --> 49:09.320] Sure. I get the feeling because check on was check off was so young and full of promise.
[49:09.320 --> 49:15.800] I really kind of think that this was more Kirk going against the herbs than it was I clan.
[49:17.640 --> 49:22.920] Yeah, I agree. And but he did, you know, Spock asked, you know, you wanted to kill and McCoy
[49:22.920 --> 49:27.720] butts in and says, but he didn't kill. And Spock says, but he wanted to. And Kirk is like,
[49:28.280 --> 49:33.160] is that what you think? And he says, you're absolutely right. That's exactly the way it was.
[49:33.160 --> 49:38.680] He wanted to kill why he wanted to kill. He never says that's right. It's a great point that you just
[49:38.680 --> 49:45.240] made. So yeah, and it's funny that Spock again, he always likes to he always likes to just like
[49:45.240 --> 49:50.520] turn the knife a little bit in the back of humanity because he says mankind ready to kill.
[49:50.600 --> 49:58.360] I'm sorry. He he's mankind also, but he's not human. You know what I mean? He always,
[49:58.360 --> 50:03.320] he's always throwing little digs at humanity and stuff like that. Not not all the time,
[50:03.320 --> 50:08.040] but but he does have several episodes several times that ends of episodes where he will do that.
[50:08.040 --> 50:11.480] And he does it a little bit. And then Kirk tries to clear it up by saying, oh, that's just the way
[50:11.480 --> 50:20.200] it was in 1881. Right. That's how it is in 2024, dude. Yeah, that's how it is in TOS when they meet
[50:20.200 --> 50:27.000] the Klingons. He said the last sentence of the episode is we overcame our instinct for violence.
[50:28.200 --> 50:31.080] I'd like to know when that was because I'd like to put that on my calendar.
[50:31.880 --> 50:36.040] Yeah, right. Yeah. Well, it's certainly not during TOS.
[50:36.920 --> 50:40.200] Not at all. No. So we still got a couple hundred years to go.
[50:40.200 --> 50:46.920] And I get what Gene Koon was trying to do here. He was trying to keep that optimistic spirit of
[50:46.920 --> 50:53.640] the future going. I totally understand it. But there's enough that we've seen in TOS already
[50:54.360 --> 51:00.360] that says that at our core, humanity still is violent, but we need to keep those urges in check
[51:00.360 --> 51:05.720] in order to make things better. And in fact, TOS beats us over the head with that several times.
[51:05.720 --> 51:12.040] Yeah. Yeah. I want to go back to the mind meld for a minute. Okay. Because as I've gotten older,
[51:12.040 --> 51:21.080] I've developed more of an appreciation for hypnosis jokes aside, Spock's thought process here.
[51:22.040 --> 51:28.040] You know, we think of, well, he tells them, you know, you have to think of these bullets as shadows
[51:28.040 --> 51:35.800] and illusions, specters without body, if you will, thus the title of the episode, to be ignored.
[51:36.360 --> 51:44.520] And at an impressionable age, it taught me a lot about dealing with the things I had going on in my
[51:44.520 --> 51:53.560] life. You know, whereas if I treat these things as shadows and illusions, they made them a little
[51:53.560 --> 52:00.200] easier to get through or to persevere. I think persevere is the right word. You know, ultimately,
[52:00.200 --> 52:07.240] I mean, of course, I'm talking about, you know, for those who may not, may not be aware or may have
[52:07.240 --> 52:12.760] forgotten, I'm talking about the situation with my dad and the things that I endured growing up,
[52:12.760 --> 52:20.200] which we covered in the, what I've learned from Saru episode of Trek Geeks. I still think about
[52:20.200 --> 52:27.720] that today. And you know, I think that on some level, it's Spock using some sort of escapism to
[52:27.720 --> 52:33.000] sort of defeat the situation. And that's ultimately what it became for me. But, you know, I think of
[52:33.000 --> 52:41.240] other things, you know, when, you know, feeling anxiety, you know, things along those lines. You
[52:41.240 --> 52:47.320] know, I do my best to ignore things so that they don't impact me. So then they can't be real.
[52:48.040 --> 52:52.680] They're bullets to be ignored. They're specters without bodies. You know, if I'm walking in a city,
[52:52.680 --> 52:57.880] I try not to essentially look around straight up going, Hey, look at this tall building over here.
[52:57.880 --> 53:04.680] Yeah, you know, it's focusing on things that I know I can focus on to get myself through the
[53:04.680 --> 53:11.240] situation. And really, if you think about it, it's not unlike what Spock does for the landing
[53:11.240 --> 53:16.760] party. I've never thought of it like that before. That's, that's pretty deep, man. And seriously,
[53:16.760 --> 53:20.520] yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I've never, I've never thought of that. I've
[53:20.520 --> 53:24.600] thought of it like that at all. It took me until my 30s to realize that. Now,
[53:24.600 --> 53:30.120] obviously I'm in my 50s now, as are you. But, you know, I was watching it one afternoon while I was
[53:30.120 --> 53:35.800] alone in my apartment in Milford, you know, just sort of kickback. It was like a Saturday. I had
[53:35.800 --> 53:42.360] nothing going on. I wasn't on call. I said, I'm gonna watch some Trek. You know, I've got these VHS tapes.
[53:43.320 --> 53:51.240] I mean, it's $1,999 a piece. Yeah. And, and I watch Specter the Gun and I'm like, wow,
[53:53.000 --> 54:03.880] I get it. I get it now. I understand. And it, it makes me wonder what made Gene Koon think of that
[54:03.880 --> 54:11.800] element. Was it because he had something in his past or knew somebody in his present? You know,
[54:12.280 --> 54:20.360] was it that made him choose that specific dialogue to put on the page? I wish he were alive so that,
[54:20.360 --> 54:24.200] you know, we could ask him this question or, you know, if there were some kind of notes.
[54:25.400 --> 54:31.640] But I think that's my one great regret in the scope of this episode. He obviously died when you and
[54:31.640 --> 54:38.760] I were both very young and will never get a chance to ask him. But now looking back in hindsight,
[54:38.760 --> 54:44.040] I'm forced to ask myself that question. You know, writing comes from a place of experience,
[54:44.040 --> 54:49.960] right? Yeah. What did Gene Koon experience that made him write that? And I'm forever gonna
[54:49.960 --> 54:55.080] wonder about that. It's funny that you say that because not on a Star Trek, not in a Star Trek
[54:55.080 --> 55:01.320] related comment. I think of that a lot because some of the things that I watch on television
[55:01.320 --> 55:07.160] or in movies, I'm like, what in the world was going through this writer's mind when he came up
[55:07.160 --> 55:13.160] with this? Yeah. Sometimes like, really like, dude, you are screwed up like the movies,
[55:13.160 --> 55:18.280] like the soft franchise, I think that. Or other things like we're watching Grimm, like I always
[55:18.280 --> 55:26.120] talk about the level of detail and fantasy writing that works so well. What are they thinking when
[55:26.120 --> 55:31.800] they come up with some of this stuff? It's really incredible, the job that these writers do to come
[55:31.800 --> 55:36.200] up with these stories that we enjoy watching or reading or whatever it is, how we do it.
[55:37.000 --> 55:42.360] It really is. So I think that's the other reason why I enjoy this episode so much because
[55:42.920 --> 55:49.160] you know, I've found new ways to appreciate it. You know, as I look at it from that different
[55:49.160 --> 55:54.360] perspective, a perspective I just couldn't have realized back when I first watched or even into
[55:54.360 --> 55:59.240] my teens and twenties. And when I started to reconcile some of these things in my own mind,
[55:59.880 --> 56:04.760] you know, it really just kind of slapped me in the face when I watched it that Saturday.
[56:05.480 --> 56:11.080] And so ever since then, I've kind of watched this episode with that question in the back of my head.
[56:11.960 --> 56:17.400] You know, I have to believe that Jean Coon had a fine sense of history, you know? He writes a very
[56:17.400 --> 56:24.040] solid script here. If this were produced outdoors and sort of the old West lot, I think it would
[56:24.040 --> 56:31.400] have been pretty awesome. But it just, that's always going to be in the back of my mind for the rest of
[56:31.400 --> 56:36.200] my life. That's interesting. It's, it's, it's, and now like we talked about before, we talked about
[56:36.200 --> 56:41.320] the shadows on the walls. Now I'm going to think about that every time I watch it. So there you go.
[56:41.320 --> 56:47.240] And perhaps some folks out there listening to this will too. Yeah. I'm curious as to how this
[56:47.240 --> 56:53.240] episode hits other folks. You know, if you haven't watched this in a while, I would encourage you to
[56:53.240 --> 56:57.320] watch it. So approach it with a fresh mind. I mean, you and I have done that with various
[56:57.320 --> 57:04.040] episodes over the years and we've come away with a new appreciation. You know, pretend you're
[57:04.040 --> 57:10.680] playing, say something nice, you know, find elements of this episode to really, you know,
[57:10.680 --> 57:17.080] respect and like, and then ask yourself this question. What did Jean, what did Jean Coon experience
[57:17.080 --> 57:22.200] that had him write that element? They could have found anything else. Why that?
[57:22.840 --> 57:26.840] Interesting. Yeah, I think that's good. I think I and if anybody does that,
[57:27.480 --> 57:30.840] let us know. Drop us a not, drop us an email. Let us know. Yeah.
[57:30.840 --> 57:36.120] Thought process. It's social either too, you know, it's interesting. I've been, I've been going
[57:36.120 --> 57:41.640] through some of the stuff at our friends over at Memory Alpha in regards to this episode.
[57:41.640 --> 57:47.720] Interestingly enough, Sue's not in this episode at all. Yeah. I did not, I didn't realize that.
[57:47.720 --> 57:50.440] The other thing that I liked what you didn't talk about is at the beginning of the episode
[57:50.440 --> 57:55.240] when the Melcotians first appear and talk, everybody who on the bridge hears it in a different
[57:55.240 --> 57:59.880] language. Oh, that's right. It's pretty awesome. You know, well, Hori hears it in Swahili in Russian
[57:59.880 --> 58:06.200] and I thought that was pretty cool. Of course, the guy who played Morgan Earp actually shows up
[58:06.200 --> 58:12.840] later in Star Trek as John in Star Trek 5, the final frontier. Yeah. Pretty cool. When I first
[58:12.840 --> 58:17.480] realized that back in the day, it's one of my favorite pieces of trivia. Yeah, it is very cool.
[58:17.560 --> 58:20.600] One of the things that I didn't know until just now, which I think is really cool.
[58:21.560 --> 58:30.280] D Kelly, of course, was famous for Westerns. He played I Clanton in 1955 in an episode of You Are
[58:30.280 --> 58:36.600] There and he also played Morgan Earp in the movie Gunfight at the OK Corral. Oh, that's funny.
[58:36.600 --> 58:44.280] Which is very cool. I love, I love the trivia that we get with these different episodes. And lastly,
[58:45.080 --> 58:52.440] until the release of the Star Trek reboot in 2009, this is the only time in Star Trek history
[58:52.440 --> 58:58.760] up until that point where Kirk is referred to as Mr. Kirk. You never hear that in the entire run
[58:58.760 --> 59:05.160] of everything until 2009. Oh, wow. Interesting. Which is very interesting. And I think that's not
[59:05.160 --> 59:11.000] the same now because if memory serves, I think he's called Mr. Kirk in strange new worlds,
[59:11.000 --> 59:15.800] but I could be wrong about that. But still kind of cool. So cool.
[59:15.800 --> 59:20.360] I don't know if you know about You Are There, but that's a series that originally started as a
[59:20.360 --> 59:26.680] radio show for CBS and then became a television show hosted by Walter Cronkite. And he would
[59:26.680 --> 59:35.000] sort of narrate the episode like a news. Oh, OK. And there would be these dramatizations by actors
[59:35.000 --> 59:41.880] in costumes, which OK, which is how, you know, the OK Corral would have come up. OK. You know,
[59:41.880 --> 59:46.680] it was essentially teaching history through the news. Kind of cool how the name of it was
[59:46.680 --> 59:50.280] called You Are There. That's kind of neat. That makes it that makes sense now. I did not know
[59:50.280 --> 59:57.000] that that's cool. One of my other favorite little bits in here. And this is just because I use this
[59:57.000 --> 01:00:07.320] font a lot. It protects gigs. The sign that says Sheriff in the photo tombstone, Arizona,
[01:00:07] uses the same font as the TOS main title. So when you see Star Trek on the screen,
[01:00:13] it's that font that is used on set for the Sheriff's sign. I love that little piece of detail. And
[01:00:20] every time I see it, I kind of go. It's dirt. Exactly. Yeah. And they did that. What do they do that?
[01:00:25] I think we saw that in Maverick, one of the guys in the movie, the Top Gun sequel,
[01:00:30] somebody had the Star Trek font fanboy. Yeah. Yeah. But it's all metal. Right. The other thing
[01:00:36] I love is to, I love to hate Scotty's hairstyle in this episode. And apparently Jimmy doing hated
[01:00:44] it too. He didn't choose it because I thought it made him look like an old man. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:00:53] Now, granted, he was older, but we see it for a few episodes.
[01:01:00] But I always thought that look was just was horrible for him.
[01:01:03] Grease backs look back. Yeah. As it created this big poof like right
[01:01:09] in the front middle. Yep. And I'm like, dude, what's that? Hey, or go back to the side part.
[01:01:15] That's funny. Also, the only episode of Star Trek, the original series, where you see the episode,
[01:01:21] where you see the enterprises heading toward a planet at the end of the episode,
[01:01:25] instead of heading off into space, because they're heading towards the Melkoshan homeworld.
[01:01:30] Because they defeated the horrible plans of the dark and disgusting Melkoshans.
[01:01:36] Spiny. Spiny. Spinalists could count on Spinalists because they were just basically big spine.
[01:01:41] They were big spines. Big spine and brain. Yeah. Spine brain. Brain and brain. What is spine brain?
[01:01:46] Hashtag spine brain. So, do you have any closing thoughts here on
[01:01:54] Spectre of the Gun, which we just, we love unabashedly and unapologetically.
[01:01:59] Unapologetically, it is a serious episode in terms of they're all facing death,
[01:02:04] but it is just so fun to watch. It's enjoyable to watch. There's humor in it.
[01:02:10] There's the the campiness because of the low budget. It is just one of those ones where
[01:02:15] if it's on, I'm stopping whatever channel surfering I'm doing, I'm not that I channel surf
[01:02:21] anymore because they're not enough cable, but you know what I mean? It's always one that I will
[01:02:24] watch. As a matter of fact, if I'm going through my library, I'll pick that in a heartbeat,
[01:02:32] because it's just great. I'll come back to it. I said it before, and I said this in so many
[01:02:36] episodes through the years. When music is a character, then the music is done right.
[01:02:42] And the music in this episode is done right because it sounds like a Western and they use the
[01:02:47] Star Trek tones with like harmonica and stuff like that. And it just works and it makes you feel
[01:02:54] like you are in the Old West kind of. I'm going to tell you, Jerry Fielding
[01:02:59] does an amazing score for this episode. It's one of my favorites. They were used a lot of music
[01:03:05] in Star Trek during its three seasons, not in this episode.
[01:03:11] There's some great original compositions here that just make you feel like you're watching a
[01:03:15] Western and I love it. I go to agree with you on all counts. I love the things that make this
[01:03:24] episode unique. If I were going to call something out like the music, I would call out Matt Jeffery
[01:03:28] set designs because they were nothing short of brilliant. I mean, we know Matt Jeffery's was
[01:03:34] brilliant. I mean, look at the Enterprise for crying out loud. Look at the unique design
[01:03:40] that we've seen all throughout Star Trek. But to do something like this, something that's
[01:03:44] immediately recognizable is the Old West, but different, it made us look at this a different way
[01:03:51] and say, why is it this way? I think it's some of his best work in the series as surreal and
[01:03:58] minimal as it is. And we said at the beginning, just the writing, if you do an episode so well
[01:04:05] that a young person thinks that this group of characters are the actual good guys when they're
[01:04:11] actually the ones that the law is after in real life, then you're doing something right.
[01:04:17] Yeah. And keep in mind, with Jean Coon, who wrote this, as we talked about, I don't know the
[01:04:22] student in Leak Ronan, if not for Jean Coon, you wouldn't have the Klingons. You wouldn't have
[01:04:27] the concept of Starfleet and Star Trek. You wouldn't have the prime directive in Star Trek and a
[01:04:33] dozen other things that we take for granted as fans every day. The guy was the equivalent of Bill
[01:04:40] Finger for creating Batman. He created a lot of the lore for Star Trek, Jean Coon that Jean
[01:04:47] Roddenberry didn't lay down at stuff we love today. We've got some good showrunners in Star Trek.
[01:04:53] We have. Yeah. The latest, of course, Terry and Jean did a great job. So yeah.
[01:05:03] Hope he keeps going. Well, how would you do if you were a showrunner, Bill?
[01:05:08] Well, you know, showrunner really translates to head writer. I'm not a writer. You know, for as
[01:05:15] much as I can write things, you know, in the real world, writing for characters really just isn't
[01:05:22] my forte. Like I could, I could never write a novel just because I'm really not good at
[01:05:28] capturing the stuff that's in between the dialogue. Yeah. Right. And I think that writing a script
[01:05:33] for something like this, I would not really do an effective job. What about you?
[01:05:39] I would be, I would suck at it. Just, just, I just, I look at what we got now, like I said,
[01:05:45] Terry Matalesome and Mike McMahon and the Hageman brothers for now. In today's world,
[01:05:49] those showrunners are all incredible. And I can't even fathom how they come up with the stuff that
[01:05:55] they have been able to come up with in the last few years. I don't know how they do it. I don't,
[01:06:00] it's not something, I don't envy it. You really have to be born with that special talent, I think.
[01:06:06] If somebody came to me and said, okay, we got this thing going, we're going to make you the
[01:06:09] showrunner, I would be probably so only myself. Here's the thing, I could watch something and
[01:06:17] realize what they were trying to do with it. You know, and well, think about we were covering
[01:06:21] season one of discovery on discovering Trek. And we heard from the writer's room and said,
[01:06:27] you guys, you guys nailed it. That's exactly what we were trying to do. I think we're good at
[01:06:31] watching TV and not necessarily writing TV. I will, I will 100% agree with that.
[01:06:37] Well, Dan, that's going to do it for Spectre of the gun. I'm going to go watch this episode again
[01:06:44] right away. And I may watch it another time after that because I just, I truly, it's one of those
[01:06:50] Trek episodes I can't get enough of. It does not get old. No. It really doesn't. I mean,
[01:06:57] there's so many things as we talked about that are, that are campy and corny, but that's what makes
[01:07:01] it fun. It's like, and this is probably going to be like, are you serious? It's kind of like
[01:07:05] Spock's brain and that is some people can't stand that episode, but it's got that great
[01:07:10] campiness that makes it a fantastic episode for me. But Spectre of the Gun is on a level higher,
[01:07:17] and I just enjoy it to no end. You know, it's great when they take some of those elements that are,
[01:07:22] you know, clearly budgetary concerns and just make it in front of the script to explain why.
[01:07:27] It works so great. It's, it's, it's one I will never ever tire of.
[01:07:33] There are episodes of Star Trek. I'm just, I, I've seen so many times I just, I need a break.
[01:07:37] That will never happen with Spectre of the Gun. I agree. I agree. I love it.
[01:07:42] Danny, you know what else I'll never tire of? The music you hear,
[01:07:47] I'll never tire on my face. Yours, I was over 25 years ago. I will never tire of the music of
[01:07:53] five-year mission. Ever. Ever. They are every song you hear on Trek Eakes. We love those guys.
[01:08:02] You know, year one, year two, year three, year four, Spock's brain, trouble with tribals.
[01:08:07] We want you to get their CDs in your hot little hands because that physical media is key.
[01:08:14] It is. You know, it's yours forever. Yeah. Nobody can take it away from you once you own it. So,
[01:08:18] go on it to five-year mission. That become a huge fan of five-year mission and there are songs
[01:08:23] about the original Star Trek because these are not songs that are parodies. These are songs that
[01:08:29] make you look in these episodes in a different way and that truly is the best part about what
[01:08:34] they've created. So, five-year mission.net, go get those CDs. Yo. I know this is something that
[01:08:41] doesn't happen often, but I'm having a little bit of a mind block right now. You? Have they done a
[01:08:46] spectary of a gun song yet? I'm going to guess that's in year five. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too.
[01:08:52] I can't wait to hear it. I don't have my CDs or upstairs, actually, so. That's all right.
[01:08:57] That's all right. You could look it up. I will. But I'm busy right now, podcasting, so I'll do that
[01:09:02] later. But I got to say, as you know, we've talked about it, this entire hour plus,
[01:09:07] Spectary of the Gun is one of my favorite episodes. No matter what version I watch, Bill,
[01:09:12] whether it's the classic old TOS one that we just talked about or my top secret five-year
[01:09:18] mission versions that I have hidden in my closet, the same line is still the best line
[01:09:24] of the entire episode. Your emergency sure is real. Go on. Take the stuff. Have some more fun.
[01:09:36] Take my bag. Only best you be finished before five o'clock because at one minute past,
[01:09:43] Fark, you'll find a hole in your head right from this drum.
[01:09:51] See what I did there? I do. I just I hate it. It's making me nauseous. I hate it.
[01:09:57] Wow. Should I say here what I did there, not see what I did there? No, I did see you doing it.
[01:10:02] And it made me nauseous because you and I can see each other on camera. We can. I love that.
[01:10:08] That's such a great line. So let me see if I get this straight. We only did nine episodes
[01:10:13] last year. You've had a lot of time to prepare to write the Farkism of your life and you brought
[01:10:20] that. Oh, I'm going to I shared it with you earlier because I thought it was such a good one.
[01:10:26] And you gave me a big old smiley face back. No, I didn't. Did you see the pooky face?
[01:10:30] Oh, was it pooky face? Yeah. I thought that was a smile. In fact, there was also a face with a
[01:10:35] tear. Oh, I thought you were crying. You're happy. No, no. Well, that's okay.
[01:10:45] I'd like to I'd like to make a special request. Oh, here we go. For your 10. Mm-hmm. Could you
[01:10:53] actually try? So I don't have to do the rest of this year? No, you've got 11 months now to prepare.
[01:11:00] But for your 10, could you actually like bring your a game? Now, I know that's a level you've
[01:11:05] never competed at before. But could you really just sort of apply yourself here, buddy? Apply.
[01:11:12] Andy, a game. Andy Park.
[01:11:16] Fiveyearmission.net, please go get all those CDs and I just I don't know. See now you want to watch
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[01:12:17] Blake Strike, Lisa Tomlinson, Ron Roble, Kaylea, I don't know, Kaylea.
[01:12:24] Okay, I got to stop right now because he's trying to make me laugh in the window when it worked.
[01:12:28] I'm not doing anything. You're going to be pretty. Kaylea is a lackey.
[01:12:33] And the delicious and wonderful Colley Hutchins. You don't have any proof whatsoever, but those
[01:12:38] people are all amazing. So two are the names I'm about to read. There are producers of Trek Eks.
[01:12:43] Mike Bovea, Steve Bovea, Jaz Bradshaw, Kyle Castillo, Peter Craig, Andy Davenport, Craig Ewing,
[01:12:49] Jackie and Chris Hackney, Brian Hackwith, Kimberly Hartman, David Hood, Lionel Marchon,
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[01:13:03] Casey Schapsky, Terry Schull, Jim Stofel, Chris Trebuzio, Christina Wither, and the lovely and talented
[01:13:11] Jess Vashon. Now, I don't know if you were doing things in the camera or not, because I actually had
[01:13:16] to put this in front of the broadcast window. So if you were their flailing about like you were,
[01:13:22] you know, idiot. I don't do that. I don't want to cause any issues with the broadcast,
[01:13:27] so I just let you do your thing. That's all right. I'll see you in a minute.
[01:13:30] Dan, the senior producer of Trek Eks is the awesome, the amazing, the stupendous, the one and
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[01:13:49] Dan, next time you and I are going to talk about some Star Trek.
[01:13:52] Okay, sounds good. I love it. What are we talking about? No clue. No, it's going to be a decision right
[01:13:59] now. You're on the... Maybe we'll do the Barclay episode that we've been promising for like the last
[01:14:03] nine years. So every time we say we're going to do that, something else happens.
[01:14:07] Yeah, I know. So I can tell you, I guarantee you the episode we're not going to do next week
[01:14:11] at the red market. Okay. All right, then. I'll think of something. A little reverse psychoology
[01:14:16] there. Let's do an episode, just a whole episode on all of the different deltas from Future and
[01:14:23] Perfect. Why don't we do Future and Perfect? We haven't done that yet. So it shall be.
[01:14:28] All right, then. Next time, Future and Perfect on an all-new Trek Eks.
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[01:16:47] creator, executive producer,
[01:16:50] member, founder or Trek Eakes?
[01:16:53] Oh, right.
[01:16:56] It's on the tip of my tongue.
[01:16:58] It's not all there yet.
[01:17:00] I'm sure it'll come back to me.
[01:17:02] It's all coming back to me now.
[01:17:03] I mean, maybe you've heard of it from an alternate name
[01:17:06] used by my former co-host, Trek Keeps.
[01:17:11] Hey, pal.
[01:17:12] Hey, buddy.
[01:17:13] How you doing?
[01:17:15] I'm doing okay.
[01:17:16] Happy February.
[01:17:18] Happy New Year, happy anniversary, happy new month,
[01:17:22] happy new recording, happy, happy, happy, happy joy, joy, joy.
[01:17:26] I don't know if we can actually say happy new year on February 1st.
[01:17:30] Why not?
[01:17:31] I think the statute's limitations is run out.
[01:17:33] But it's our first time.
[01:17:38] We're one.
[01:17:39] Together this year.
[01:17:40] We're one twelfth of the way through the year.
[01:17:43] I like it.
[01:17:45] That's okay.
[01:17:46] I'm feeling good.
[01:17:48] How are you feeling?
[01:17:49] I'm feeling great.
[01:17:50] You may feel good, but you look like shit.
[01:17:53] Thank you.
[01:17:54] Thank you very much.
[01:17:55] I appreciate that.
[01:17:56] It's probably because I was a nice, beautiful 80-degree weather
[01:17:59] for a couple of days and I came home to this clap trap of a nice storm.
[01:18:03] No, I don't think it's the weather.
[01:18:04] I just think it's your face.
[01:18:05] Oh, I see.
[01:18:06] There we go.
[01:18:07] The first year face of 2024 didn't take long.
[01:18:10] It took a whole one minute and 47 seconds.
[01:18:13] You're welcome.
[01:18:14] Thank you.
[01:18:15] You're welcome.
[01:18:16] Appreciate that.
[01:18:17] Okay.
[01:18:18] Well, that's all right.
[01:18:19] That's okay.
[01:18:20] I'll allow it.
[01:18:21] Oh, good for you.
[01:18:22] Nothing's changed.
[01:18:24] That's for sure.
[01:18:26] If there's anything people can count on after nine years, and by the way,
[01:18:30] you said it earlier, Happy Anniversary.
[01:18:32] Happy nine years to us.
[01:18:34] Wow.
[01:18:35] We started this Odyssey.
[01:18:38] It seemed like forever ago, and to think that next year, we'll hit 10 years
[01:18:42] of doing trek geeks is a little mind-blowing, and I forget where I was
[01:18:46] going with this, but which I think I would have done nine years ago as
[01:18:50] well.
[01:18:51] I would have done it like yesterday, so it's okay.
[01:18:55] Absolutely.
[01:18:56] It's a little weird to think of nine years, because I mean, when we
[01:19:00] started, there were a few Star Trek podcasts.
[01:19:03] There was a fairly large Star Trek podcast network that wasn't us.
[01:19:07] And now it seems like everybody has a podcast.
[01:19:11] And we've seen so many of them grow and thrive, and our network has
[01:19:17] thrived as well.
[01:19:18] We've got so many great shows on the Trek Geeks network.
[01:19:21] It's weird to see how sort of the Trek podcast space has evolved in
[01:19:26] almost a decade.
[01:19:27] It's kind of mind-blowing.
[01:19:28] It is, and I think that's in large part because we finally, you know,
[01:19:32] over the last several years, we've had great new Star Trek.
[01:19:35] So people are wanting to talk about it, and what better way than to
[01:19:38] get behind a microphone and talk about it and get an audience.
[01:19:42] So I think it's great.
[01:19:43] We're a great family of podcasters all the way around.
[01:19:46] But of course, we have a special place for all of the wonderful
[01:19:49] people on our network that are just doing a fantastic job and kudos
[01:19:53] to them and happy birthday to them, too.
[01:19:56] They may not have been around for the full nine years, but they're
[01:19:58] part of the celebration.
[01:19:59] Well, and, you know, throughout the pandemic and through the last
[01:20:03] year or so, and you and I have had challenging personal and corporate
[01:20:07] lives, they've helped carry the weight of this network.
[01:20:12] So, you know, our hats are off to them for, you know, keeping Trek Geeks
[01:20:17] out there and for making sure that there were still great conversations
[01:20:21] happening when you and I were necessarily unable to.
[01:20:24] Yeah.
[01:20:25] But hey, it's a new year, new us.
[01:20:28] Yeah.
[01:20:29] Or say mold us just new year, I guess.
[01:20:32] Yeah.
[01:20:33] There's nothing new about us.
[01:20:35] No.
[01:20:36] Man, you look like one of the horse saddles from Spectre to the gun
[01:20:40] that's been out in the sun too long.
[01:20:41] Dude, I'm pasty white.
[01:20:43] How could that be?
[01:20:44] He's just wrinkly.
[01:20:45] I'm not.
[01:20:46] No, you don't wrinkly at all.
[01:20:48] So just try to, you know, anyway.
[01:20:52] I am wrinkly.
[01:20:53] Which is funny because there's really no sun in that episode when you
[01:20:56] think about it because it's all red sky and there's no sun at all.
[01:20:59] And it's thundering and you can see the shadows of the trees.
[01:21:01] We're going to get into that later.
[01:21:03] Mm-hmm.
[01:21:04] A check off dies.
[01:21:06] That's a shame.
[01:21:08] Party.
[01:21:10] All right.
[01:21:11] Now, just before people yell at me, I love Walter Koenig.
[01:21:14] Yes.
[01:21:15] He is a delightful, wonderful human being.
[01:21:18] He has given so much to Star Trek over the years.
[01:21:21] And it's so wonderful with the fans.
[01:21:23] I adore the man.
[01:21:25] I don't love the character and that's not his fault.
[01:21:28] Not at all.
[01:21:29] I don't like the way it was written.
[01:21:30] Yep.
[01:21:31] And he is a wonderful gentleman who came up to our table and talked to us out of the blue
[01:21:35] in Vegas last year which was like one of the highlights for me.
[01:21:38] It was just great.
[01:21:39] We're just sitting there, you know, getting ready to clean up because it was on Sunday
[01:21:42] and all of a sudden this guy just kind of like walks over slowly and I look up and there's Walter.
[01:21:48] He was making the rounds.
[01:21:49] It was.
[01:21:50] And it was pretty awesome to say hi and thank him for everything because it's the first time
[01:21:53] I've ever met him in person and it was pretty cool.
[01:21:56] I've never seen a Star Trek actor do that necessarily.
[01:22:00] They've sat high on their way out of the room.
[01:22:02] Yeah.
[01:22:03] But Walter was literally making the rounds to all the tables and checking stuff out.
[01:22:07] Yep.
[01:22:08] Good for him.
[01:22:09] I think that's awesome.
[01:22:10] You know, he's awesome quite honestly.
[01:22:12] Yes.
[01:22:13] You kind of suck.
[01:22:15] I do.
[01:22:16] So it kind of cancels each other out.
[01:22:18] Not at all because he's way more awesome.
[01:22:20] He's way more awesome.
[01:22:21] But I way more suck.
[01:22:22] So does it cancel each other out?
[01:22:24] It might.
[01:22:25] You should not talk about math or science-y type things like storytelling things out.
[01:22:34] My brain is starting to hurt.
[01:22:36] One thing I can talk about when it comes to math is adding up all the amazing dollar signs
[01:22:42] that came out of our Trek Talks 3.
[01:22:45] What a fantastic day that was.
[01:22:47] This is the only time math is not hard.
[01:22:50] Yeah.
[01:22:51] That's true.
[01:22:52] It wasn't.
[01:22:53] We're going to talk about that at the top of show probably.
[01:22:58] It never ceases to amaze me the charitable ability of Star Trek fans.
[01:23:07] The first year we did this just a couple of years ago.
[01:23:10] You know, this is our third telephone.
[01:23:12] We started in 2022.
[01:23:15] We had no idea how people were going to respond to this and it's grown every year.
[01:23:23] We've raised more money every year.
[01:23:25] We have more and more Star Trek people saying, yeah, I absolutely want to help.
[01:23:30] We've managed to have different panels every year, which is amazing.
[01:23:36] And some really, really great ones.
[01:23:39] But more about that later.
[01:23:42] But to think that, you know, in eight hours with the amazing help from Eugene Roddenberry,
[01:23:48] we raised $110,000 for the Hollywood Food Coalition, bringing our three-year total to almost $350,000.
[01:23:57] That's absolutely mind-boggling.
[01:24:00] That's great.
[01:24:01] If that is the last thing, the legacy of Trek Geeks, long after you and I are gone,
[01:24:06] long after this podcast fades away someday.
[01:24:10] You can't see it, but Dan just sort of waved his hand across the screen.
[01:24:16] There will still be the fact that this Little Star Trek podcast network started a charitable
[01:24:22] effort and over X amount of years, they raised a lot of money to help a lot of people directly.
[01:24:28] And if that's what people remember Trek Geeks for, I am perfectly fine with it.
[01:24:32] Yep, me too.
[01:24:33] I love it.
[01:24:34] It was a great day.
[01:24:35] Sue and I are actually going out to California for an extended long weekend during the summer,
[01:24:39] and I'm hoping to be able to squeeze some time to go up to the Hollywood Food Coalition while
[01:24:43] we're there and say hi to everybody and do a little volunteer work.
[01:24:47] You should have JB bring you over.
[01:24:49] I'm going to, oh, don't you worry about that.
[01:24:51] We'll be chatting.
[01:24:52] We'll be getting that all scheduled.
[01:24:54] Oh, great.
[01:24:55] Good for you.
[01:24:56] Well, you know, of course we're going to Disneyland too.
[01:25:00] I was going to say you probably are going to Disney.
[01:25:03] Absolutely.
[01:25:04] If I know you and I do.
[01:25:06] I have not been, I have not been into Disneyland since I was like two.
[01:25:11] Wow.
[01:25:12] Yeah.
[01:25:13] So a long time ago, long time ago, over half a century ago.
[01:25:17] Because you old.
[01:25:19] I was old.
[01:25:20] I is.
[01:25:21] So yeah.
[01:25:22] My wife and I were there in Anaheim to go to Disneyland the day before she had a tattoo
[01:25:26] scheduled in the Anaheim area.
[01:25:29] And it was October and it was hot.
[01:25:33] I mean, it was like 90 degrees.
[01:25:35] Oh boy.
[01:25:36] Yeah.
[01:25:37] And it was, it was atypical from what I understand.
[01:25:40] And we went on one ride.
[01:25:41] We did Haunted Mansion.
[01:25:43] And we said we, we got to go.
[01:25:46] We're going to get sunburned and she won't be able to get tattooed tomorrow.
[01:25:49] So we waited like an hour.
[01:25:51] Yeah.
[01:25:52] Sweat sweating.
[01:25:53] Oh my gosh.
[01:25:55] And then we went back to the hotel room and watch football.
[01:25:57] There you go.
[01:25:58] We were in, we were in California several years ago and we did stay at one of the resorts at
[01:26:04] Disneyland, but we did not go into the park.
[01:26:06] We had dinner at their version of downtown Disney, but we did not go into the park.
[01:26:10] So we're looking forward to doing that this year.
[01:26:12] It'll be kind of interesting to see the differences between what I'm used to and Disneyland.
[01:26:18] What amazes me is how small Disneyland Magic Kingdom seems.
[01:26:22] It's like literally off the highway.
[01:26:24] It's like an exit and it's right there in the, yeah, and it's cramped.
[01:26:28] Everything just seems more condensed.
[01:26:29] Like even Main Street USA, you know.
[01:26:31] Yeah.
[01:26:32] And now granted, the last time I was in Orlando was literally 10 years ago.
[01:26:37] I'm looking at the funnel on my mantle over here.
[01:26:39] It was my anniversary 10 years ago, which is amazing.
[01:26:44] But when we went to Disneyland, I'm like, oh, so it's the mini version.
[01:26:49] Okay.
[01:26:50] Yeah.
[01:26:51] And there's some subtle differences in some of the rides.
[01:26:53] I know Pirates is a little different and Haunted Mansion is different.
[01:26:56] So and they have what they call a roller coaster with the Matterhorn, but I really don't think it is.
[01:27:01] No, I don't either.
[01:27:02] We'll find out.
[01:27:03] When I went there back in the day, they had the Indiana Jones stunt show spectacular.
[01:27:07] Mm hmm.
[01:27:08] Back in the 90s when I went.
[01:27:10] Yeah.
[01:27:11] I think it's still there.
[01:27:12] That was pretty cool.
[01:27:13] I want to say there was also a separate ride, like a Temple of Doom ride.
[01:27:18] Oh, okay.
[01:27:19] I could have that wrong, but there was an Indiana Jones ride.
[01:27:22] Okay.
[01:27:23] Or at least maybe I'm dreaming about it, but I'm sure somebody will tell me and correct me.
[01:27:28] But I went on Space Mountain that trip, which was very cool.
[01:27:32] Yeah.
[01:27:33] I liked Disneyland very much.
[01:27:35] It was my first ever foray to Disney.
[01:27:38] I'm just glad I got to go with better people.
[01:27:43] Yeah.
[01:27:44] Disney World.
[01:27:45] Yes.
[01:27:46] Yeah.
[01:27:47] No, of course not.
[01:27:48] I know that.
[01:27:49] It was really weird to be in Florida last weekend.
[01:27:52] We went down for a long weekend to visit my brother and his wife, but it was really weird
[01:27:56] to not go to Disney.
[01:27:58] We actually talked about, you know what?
[01:27:59] Let's just go to downtown Disney and get some food and stuff on Sunday.
[01:28:03] But we didn't.
[01:28:04] We ended up staying where we were the whole weekend.
[01:28:05] Had a great time.
[01:28:06] So.
[01:28:07] That's pretty cool.
[01:28:08] Yeah.
[01:28:09] We had fun.
[01:28:10] And you'll have a great time at Disney Land, too.
[01:28:12] I mean.
[01:28:13] Oh, I'm sure we will.
[01:28:14] Absolutely sure.
[01:28:15] We'll be in a couple of months.
[01:28:16] I would probably meet you out there and go.
[01:28:19] I'm probably going to talk champion and to bring us to that exclusive bar that they have
[01:28:23] there.
[01:28:24] I'm going to be like, dude, meet us and take us in there.
[01:28:26] Come on.
[01:28:27] Yeah.
[01:28:28] See your friend.
[01:28:29] Yeah.
[01:28:30] Right.
[01:28:31] He doesn't even like me.
[01:28:32] No one likes you.
[01:28:33] Come on.
[01:28:34] People largely tolerate you.
[01:28:35] I think that's a good description.
[01:28:36] I think that's a good description.
[01:28:37] I'll go with that.
[01:28:38] I don't know how your wife does it.
[01:28:40] She chose you.
[01:28:42] She did.
[01:28:43] Yeah.
[01:28:44] And I've met her.
[01:28:45] She's a lovely person.
[01:28:46] I don't know.
[01:28:47] Did you have dirt on her?
[01:28:49] I don't know.
[01:28:50] I don't know.
[01:28:51] Drugs might have been involved.
[01:28:52] I don't remember.
[01:28:53] I mean, did you?
[01:28:55] Are you holding her hostage?
[01:28:56] Sue, if you can hear this, blink twice if you need help.
[01:29:03] Speaking of hostage.
[01:29:04] No, I'm just kidding.
[01:29:06] So we have a very excited, I'll share it now.
[01:29:09] We have a very exciting thing coming up this weekend.
[01:29:12] I won't go into the story because it's very long, but we might be welcoming a new furry
[01:29:18] friend into our home very soon.
[01:29:22] Oh, wow.
[01:29:24] We're meeting her this weekend.
[01:29:25] The stars have aligned so far.
[01:29:28] She looks like a wonderful little thing.
[01:29:31] So we're going to be meeting her this weekend.
[01:29:32] And if all goes according to how I hope it does, good things are going to happen and we'll
[01:29:36] have a new pop.
[01:29:37] That's awesome.
[01:29:38] So I look forward to that.
[01:29:39] Fingers crossed.
[01:29:41] Or two weekends ago, but poor little thing at conjunctivitis, so we didn't do it.
[01:29:46] And then we were gone last weekend.
[01:29:48] But this weekend, it's all lined up and both Sue and I and hopefully Ari are very excited
[01:29:52] to meet her.
[01:29:53] So we'll see.
[01:29:54] Cool.
[01:29:55] I have a little bit of personal news.
[01:29:56] Would you know about?
[01:29:57] Yes.
[01:29:58] But I want to tell the audience about it because they may see it and wonder what the hell is going
[01:30:01] on with Trekkicks.
[01:30:02] I am starting a side podcast on Spotify exclusively dedicated to Generation X and I will soon be
[01:30:12] promoting it, not through Trekkicks.
[01:30:14] But in case people see it and wonder, well, Bill's doing the solo project, does this mean
[01:30:19] there's no more Trekkicks?
[01:30:20] No, that's not what it means at all.
[01:30:22] Damn better right, not mean it, even though I didn't know how I said that.
[01:30:26] And welcome to the last episode of Trekkicks.
[01:30:29] No.
[01:30:30] No, it's very, I'm very excited for you, man.
[01:30:35] You were talking to me about it and I know that you're excited about it.
[01:30:37] You can hear it in your voice when we talk about it.
[01:30:39] So yeah, I'm sure it's going to go really, really great for you.
[01:30:42] And I'm just glad I got to help with you picking up the graphics for it.
[01:30:46] That was fun.
[01:30:47] Yeah, it was a good time.
[01:30:49] It's something that I've kind of always wanted to do, but didn't know there was a way to do
[01:30:54] it.
[01:30:56] So it's a podcast called Totally Gen X. And each, it's going to talk about growing up
[01:31:04] in Generation X and then also growing older because the first Gen Xers turns 60 next year.
[01:31:10] Can you believe that?
[01:31:11] No.
[01:31:12] No.
[01:31:13] People born in 1965, the first year of Generation X turned 60.
[01:31:18] So you know, there's, there's still plenty to learn in life, you know, it's, you know,
[01:31:23] how do you deal with X and Y and Z as you sort of cross this next threshold into, I
[01:31:29] hate to use the word senior citizenship.
[01:31:32] So plus we're going to look at, you know, the top five songs of any given week because
[01:31:36] it's a Spotify podcast.
[01:31:38] You can actually use Spotify music in it.
[01:31:41] Oh, cool.
[01:31:42] I like that.
[01:31:43] That'll be great.
[01:31:44] And it'll be exclusively on Spotify, which is why I can do that.
[01:31:47] So, okay.
[01:31:48] But, you know, there'll be more info as that becomes apparent, but that's kind of what's
[01:31:54] going on.
[01:31:55] Rest assured, though, Trek Eakes not going anywhere, not going anywhere.
[01:31:58] And I can say very, very solidly that we will be putting out a lot more content this year.
[01:32:06] Things are starting to, you know, kind of level off at work.
[01:32:09] I'm in a much better place.
[01:32:12] And I'm looking forward to getting a lot more discussions out with you, my friend.
[01:32:15] So, I think we'll do more than what do we do, nine last year?
[01:32:18] Nine.
[01:32:19] Nine.
[01:32:20] I think we're going to do more than that.
[01:32:21] For a podcast that normally does between 35 and 40 episodes a year.
[01:32:27] Yeah.
[01:32:28] We did nine.
[01:32:29] We didn't kick off January the right way, but here we are.
[01:32:33] Your performance review is going to be terrible.
[01:32:36] Well, seeing as if I write it, I'm really not sure that's going to be the answer.
[01:32:40] You are HR, aren't you?
[01:32:42] Yeah.
[01:32:44] That might be myself a promotion and a raise.
[01:32:46] Oh, yeah.
[01:32:47] Do that.
[01:32:48] I'm sure that the, I'm sure the founder will sign off on the founders one.
[01:32:55] Oh, yes.
[01:32:56] Very nice.
[01:32:57] I like that.
[01:32:58] That actually made me think of Jeffrey Combs, a nice job.
[01:33:01] So I was working the other day and during lunch, I had Pluto TV on because they have two
[01:33:06] Star Trek channels.
[01:33:07] They have commercials, but I can deal with that.
[01:33:09] That's all right.
[01:33:11] And the, the fringy episode where quark goes back home to fringinar and Brunt is in his
[01:33:18] closet and the name is escaping me right now.
[01:33:21] That was on.
[01:33:22] FCA.
[01:33:23] Brunt.
[01:33:24] FCA.
[01:33:25] FCA.
[01:33:26] Great.
[01:33:27] Great episode.
[01:33:28] But they were on the more Star Trek channel.
[01:33:31] There was an entire block of Deep Space Nine.
[01:33:33] And so like it was hard to go back to work because it's just nine.
[01:33:40] Was it family business?
[01:33:41] Um, what was it?
[01:33:43] The other one.
[01:33:44] It's the one.
[01:33:45] It's after the die is cast.
[01:33:46] I know that.
[01:33:47] Yeah.
[01:33:48] Um, anyway.
[01:33:49] Yeah.
[01:33:50] All right.
[01:33:51] You ready to, um, you ready to rock out some podcast content here?
[01:33:55] I'm ready to.
[01:33:56] Talk about the spectrum of the gun.
[01:33:57] Oh my, I was going to say that and I figure if I did, you'd make fun of me for it.
[01:34:01] So thank you.
[01:34:02] Thank you, sir.
[01:34:03] Spectree.
[01:34:04] I love it.
[01:34:05] See, I know you.
[01:34:06] I knew you were going to do that.
[01:34:08] I may as well just get it out of the way.
[01:34:10] So you did it on purpose.
[01:34:11] I wouldn't have.
[01:34:12] I would have been like, why?
[01:34:13] What, what are you saying?
[01:34:14] What do you mean?
[01:34:15] I'm saying it wrong.
[01:34:16] Anyway, um, let's, uh, let's do what we do if we remember.
[01:34:21] I think I might remember right.
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[01:34:48] Let's try that again.
[01:34:49] You know, I'm going to keep it in and say, you know, I forgot we do that.
[01:34:53] Yeah.
[01:34:54] Okay.
[01:34:55] Cause I was surprised.
[01:34:56] I saw it there.
[01:34:57] And I'm like, you know what?
[01:34:58] I'll just read it.
[01:34:59] All right.
[01:35:00] Do it.
[01:35:01] Yeah.
[01:35:02] Yeah.
[01:35:03] I'll do it again.
[01:35:04] Okay.
[01:35:05] I got it.
[01:35:06] Go on.
[01:35:07] We're happy to be back.
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