Future Imperfect

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[00:02:34] I'm doing great man it's good to see you it's good to hear you God I wish you do more

[00:02:42] NPR but anyway it's happy to be here 310 we're already our second episode into the year

[00:02:47] so we're really doing pretty good as episodes go when you look at last year so congratulations.

[00:02:52] Yeah, we are 25% of the way to our episode total from last year.

[00:02:57] Yep, we're killing it.

[00:02:59] We are killing it but I've been looking forward to this discussion since we decided what

[00:03:05] we were going to talk about this episode.

[00:03:08] So yeah, we're going to deep dive on next generation episode that is making fan sets a

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[00:03:20] and that is the fourth episode excuse me the eighth episode in season 4 of next generation

[00:03:25] future imperfect.

[00:03:26] It's going to be fun I love this episode before we record it I was going to say to you

[00:03:32] we should just call it future imperfect the entire show and not say word.

[00:03:36] No, but now the jokes out you know okay well it worked funny we work on even acknowledging

[00:03:42] Oh I see you know we just start over if you want to do it no it's funny because I did

[00:03:48] I did like I'm like did I do that before did I did I did a future imperfect

[00:03:52] because then before so I knew you had yeah so I got a great one though just you know

[00:03:56] to wet the appetites of those listening do you know it's for you.

[00:04:02] No, you three hundred and ten episodes in I find it hard to believe that there's a great

[00:04:08] farchism in my future farquh way out was good you admitted it you liked it so let's

[00:04:12] because it's as bad as the episode that's really the key to that joke okay all right

[00:04:18] I got you you know I remember seeing the tease for this episode you know the week before

[00:04:24] it aired you know next time on star track yeah you know I'm thinking whoa what happened

[00:04:31] to Riker and this episode doesn't disappoint if you base it on that tease you know what

[00:04:38] I mean yeah I this has always been one of my favorite TNG at least season four episodes

[00:04:44] I love this there's so many great things about this episode so I'm very excited to talk

[00:04:49] about it to be honest with you I love it at the end of the teaser when you know Frakes wakes

[00:04:54] up in sick base got that look on his face and he just sells it he does look at anyway we'll

[00:05:00] get to that in a bit we are very excited Dan trek long island coming up in just over three

[00:05:07] months I think we're under one days out yeah I am so looking forward to this convention it's

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[00:05:27] I'm so excited to be part of it I I really can't wait I feel like it's the perfect appetizer

[00:05:34] before we get to STLV later in the summer yeah I agree this is something that I've been looking

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[00:09:54] Well buddy here we are we're gonna talk today about the fourth season episode of Star Trek

[00:09:59] the Next Generation one that you just we just sort of picked off the cuff last week and that is

[00:10:06] the fantastic future imperfect. It is fantastic I love the episode I'm glad that we're doing it

[00:10:14] and I love the reason why we're doing it it was the eighth episode of season four it was written by

[00:10:20] Jay Larry Carroll and David Bennett Karen and directed by Les Landrue a fantastic job great

[00:10:26] direction great acting all around good storyline good special effects all around a really

[00:10:32] positive one of my favorite episodes of season four actually I love what they called him Les Landrue

[00:10:37] like he was from TOS oh I did land out yeah exactly yep that's good you know you all you know me

[00:10:45] I mean she can't go an episode without it so there you go let's land out my apologies yeah

[00:10:49] Landrue I'm sure he's listening and regarding the writers I'm like as soon as you're reading

[00:10:54] those names I'm like who yeah I have to say the same thing yep absolutely and I guess it's just

[00:11:03] it's a great example of how people outside the writing process can come up with really fantastic

[00:11:12] stories or at least outside you know the main group of writers that we know at this point

[00:11:16] and then in TNG can come up with great stories that really just sort of you know seem like the

[00:11:24] Star Trek we know and love throughout the decades yeah absolutely this one is one of those

[00:11:30] ones that really hits it just right it's not to bonk on the head with stuff but it really it makes

[00:11:36] you think a lot I think it's really great it's a little bonk on the head in a couple of ways

[00:11:41] and I think we're gonna get to that in just a bit I think there are some questions that

[00:11:46] that we have as this thing goes on but there's so much good stuff here so yeah so it'll be interesting

[00:11:52] for me to see what your bonk bonk moments are I think it'll be kind of neat I just I just think

[00:11:57] it's a great episode all around and gotta give props right up right up front first thing is Jonathan

[00:12:03] Frakes he does a great job in this episode it's some classic riker classic riker lines classic

[00:12:09] riker maneuvers and all of the all of the little subtle things that you see for differences

[00:12:17] and what's going on they really they really pull out all the stops from making it feel like

[00:12:22] it's really the future so yeah I'm looking forward to getting in of course with even with great

[00:12:28] episodes you know that I'm gonna dig on some stuff and I can't wait to because I got a few things

[00:12:31] to dig on in this but I still think we're gonna have a great conversation well and it also doesn't

[00:12:35] mean that we hate the episode I mean I think it's not at all I think that it's being honest to say

[00:12:41] that you know the things that are weird about the episode are just weird or at least don't work

[00:12:47] and it's okay to admit that stuff and still love you know what we're seeing and what it means for

[00:12:52] the characters I have to agree with you about Jonathan Frakes I mean if you think about it this is

[00:12:58] one of the first episodes in season four where we get to see you know the full riker experience

[00:13:05] if you think about it he's had some episodes before where he's been featured prominently quite a

[00:13:10] number of them but you know I really think that we get a sense for who will riker is as an explorer

[00:13:18] and a captain to some level but more importantly we kind of get to see what he would be like as a

[00:13:24] father and I think it draws a very clear distinction between him and his dad Kyle.

[00:13:31] And isn't it interesting that we already talked about this a little bit of how that whole experience

[00:13:38] as a father and what we know with what we saw in reality in Star Trek in Prokard season three

[00:13:45] as he is a father and has a daughter and has suffered the loss of a son we look back at I look

[00:13:52] back at this one with a little bit of nostalgia seeing how he was acting with who he thought was

[00:13:57] his son who was probably and close to his teens and missed a lot of a lot of his life because

[00:14:04] of this memory issue but of course we all know that's just a ruse but we that's a we're jumping

[00:14:11] ahead of ourselves I think a little bit. Yeah the first thing I have to say is that I have a really

[00:14:16] hard time believing that will riker can't play that note in that song. I was going to say that

[00:14:24] was something I was gonna bring up but yes absolutely it's right it's it's it's it's it's it's

[00:14:29] it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's

[00:14:32] yeah and every time I hear that song I like and hear is Thomas Magnum singing it on Magnum Pia like

[00:14:36] look at me I miss how it plays you know and it's just every time I hear that note and he

[00:14:45] and he he messes it up I'm like he is a better trombone player than this come on he was gonna play

[00:14:51] night. It's not a hard yeah it's not a hard it's not a hard note I don't think and I don't even play

[00:14:55] the trombone so but that is that is a funny part and it's kind of neat how that comes back in

[00:15:02] the middle of the episode when he's learning how to be a dad with with Jean-Luc the boy not the

[00:15:08] Admiral Jean-Luc the boy is it Jean-Luc the boy is it a little weird that he's named his kids

[00:15:16] Jean-Luc theoretically in the future or that barrage no figures that he'd name his kids

[00:15:23] Jean-Luc because I think it's weird no I didn't I didn't really think it's weird I mean they've

[00:15:28] they I mean they've had a great relationship um he looks up to him uh no I don't I don't I didn't

[00:15:35] think it was strange at all now I do because you brought it up but I didn't think of it before so

[00:15:39] thanks dummy this is what I do these are the questions I ask on Trek Geeks Dan and honestly these

[00:15:46] are the kinds of insipid questions you're not going to hear on any other podcast I just want to

[00:15:50] make that clear um the other thing I want to call out right off the bat is you know as soon as we

[00:15:56] jump sort of 16 years into the future you know after the fog envelops us and riker wakes up in sick bay

[00:16:04] um in the future did we forget how to make hair look good I think I love his hair in that see

[00:16:13] well hey I mean the gray streaking is a little weird but Beverly's wig is terrible uh oh yeah

[00:16:18] his wig is terrible Picards grown out hair in the back is completely unlike Picard it's like he's

[00:16:26] that's true I'm waiting for him to turn it into a ponytail as soon as he can um I feel like

[00:16:32] we we kind of regressed on hair and maybe you know dipped into the the TOS vault from the 60s for

[00:16:38] some of those wigs I don't disagree that is especially Picard Picard one that always stood out to

[00:16:44] me I love the beard but the hair was kind of like dude you're gonna like if you kind of part that

[00:16:49] thing over like you do when you miss and half your hair on one side of your head or whatnot um before

[00:16:54] we actually get too much in detail man we should probably give a quick synopsis of this episode

[00:16:58] like there's anybody who's not seen this yet well I you sound like just a person to provide that

[00:17:04] it's gonna be very quick so basically there's an away mission on alpha anias 3

[00:17:09] riker warf and jordie are down on the surface and they're in a cave and it gets really foggy

[00:17:13] and they're trying to beam everybody out everybody gets out but riker he passes out as he's coughing

[00:17:18] not very good cof acting by the way I will point that out right now uh he wakes up in sick bay things

[00:17:24] are a little weird uh Beverly tells him that he has been in a coma and he's got a disease where he

[00:17:32] has now lost all of his memory from the point of that passing out which was 16 years ago so he

[00:17:39] has woken up 16 years in the future has no recollection of any of those 16 years and during this

[00:17:45] episode he finds out that he had a wife who died in a shuttle crash a son who was alive Picard is

[00:17:52] an admiral working with the romulans diana is working with Picard uh he is captain uh data is

[00:17:58] first officer and they are on the verge of a treaty with the romulans and ambassador tummolac who

[00:18:04] we have seen of course in other episodes at tng the computer doesn't work very well he starts

[00:18:11] getting suspicious all of a sudden he finally figures out that something's not right when oh my gosh

[00:18:16] the video of his wife is minuet who was a hologram so something's not right here he calls everybody out

[00:18:24] it turns out that tummolac and his romulan clad of baddies captured him and have him in a giant

[00:18:31] holodeck but no that's not it either because his son john luke uh makes a mistake and calls tummolac

[00:18:38] ambassador tummolac and riker says okay I'm not playing this anymore and it turns out that john

[00:18:44] luke is actually the cause of this entire ruse on the planet he is an orphan by himself with

[00:18:50] incredible technology around him and he made this ruse so that he would have someone stay with him

[00:18:56] riker figures it out they get back on board and uh they they get everything straight now

[00:19:01] and they beam back to the enterprise together what a happy ending for the alien known as barash

[00:19:07] and it's no future there is no imperfect future there is no imperfect future it was just a big

[00:19:15] fantasy the end it was a lie it was a lie it was a lie it was a lie and uh but a well done

[00:19:23] a well done lie yeah no I admittedly so I mean I here's one thing I want to know yeah we've seen

[00:19:30] too many episodes of star trek to this point you know this is 1990 when this airs you know we've

[00:19:35] seen three years of the original series we've seen three full years of next john we've seen

[00:19:41] two seasons of the animated series and why is it that so many alien races that are incredibly

[00:19:49] powerful lack the presence of mind to pick up on fine details I mean now I gotta admit you know

[00:20:01] barash extrapolated some great things I mean it changed the combat he made little changes on

[00:20:06] the enterprise to show us that it was different and in the future the hair okay um but

[00:20:14] you know little things like minuet for example who we first see in the first season episode

[00:20:22] 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 um nice thank you thank you you think that they would know that she wasn't

[00:20:33] really right even though she exists in rikers memory and he had genuine feelings for her

[00:20:37] you think that if they're able to probe that out of his brain that they would know

[00:20:43] yeah maybe not that yeah the end of it is imzadi exactly that's that's one of the things I was

[00:20:51] gonna bring up so thank you very much yeah his love for deanna has always been there he was more it

[00:20:57] was more of a fantasy fantasy with minuet the way that he acted with her in that season one episode

[00:21:03] it was kind of nice to bring back the same actress to play her for like four seconds that she was

[00:21:07] on screen in this episode but yeah you would have thought that if that mind probe uh I don't

[00:21:13] want to call it mind probe that's not the right the mind scares the the scanners would have picked

[00:21:18] that his real true love and was as imzadi deanna and and work with that that would have that would

[00:21:24] have helped with some of the mistakes um I did like how they wrote that whenever he went what they

[00:21:31] thought would be off script or what barrage thought would be off script the computer had lag I kind

[00:21:36] of liked that aspect of it um it was very interesting to see riker get frustrated by a two second lag

[00:21:42] obviously he's never had a 2600 bottom in his life uh but uh one thing I wanted to bring up

[00:21:49] and with regards to barrage and we're gonna kind of jump around the different things and not in

[00:21:53] really sequential order but we were talking about barrage uh whatever happened to him

[00:22:01] riker like took him off of this planet that was set up specifically to protect him for the rest

[00:22:07] of his life and we'll get into that in a second but he'd they beam up all happy my name is barrage

[00:22:13] and then they go we ain't never heard from again you never see him on the enterprise you never

[00:22:18] care him talked about riker never says anything never sends him a uh uh subspace message saying happy

[00:22:23] birthday barrage my old little buddy uh nothing you never hear from him again it's just a perfect

[00:22:28] example of week to week on tng it's like that that could have been you know he could have been

[00:22:34] up to the ship and war still had a broken spine but we never heard about both of that was again either

[00:22:39] so you know well at mission log mission log once talked about you know he's with uh Jeremy

[00:22:46] Astor and the puppies and you know every other sort of hitchhiker that the enterprise Diaz ever picked

[00:22:53] up um right you know they probably get dropped off of the nearest starbase you know they wind up

[00:22:58] going through this uh this sort of debrief and slash condo sales pitch on why life in the federation

[00:23:04] is so fantastic and then they get to go along their merry way but the whole idea is that barrage

[00:23:10] didn't want to be alone and now all of a sudden once he leaves the enterprise he's wait for it

[00:23:17] alone and that's that's really weird to me it's sad i mean i love the ending of this episode don't

[00:23:25] get me wrong but if you break it down and dissect it you know we have to assume that you know barrage

[00:23:33] you know met a friend you know maybe riker had somebody at starfleet no but i mean maybe there

[00:23:41] was somebody at starfleet who who you know decided they would act as you know barrage's you know

[00:23:46] person yeah i don't know but you know there's no context given to that what would have been great

[00:23:52] was a closing log entry yeah because you remember right after that seeing the enterprise just sort

[00:23:57] of impulses off into the the stars and i think that would have provided some of that context that we

[00:24:03] lack you know the enterprise is on its way to starbase blah blah blah and um you know where

[00:24:10] you know barrage will um meet so dr. cell and so and and learn about life in the federation

[00:24:18] and and then have his choice of where to go you know something that's or something along those lines

[00:24:23] it it really struck me as weird it was weird and it was a little sad um the other thing with

[00:24:29] regards to the planet on alpha onias three i'm surprised i can say that correctly each time

[00:24:35] and don't think that i didn't try to get a far cut out of that it just wouldn't have worked

[00:24:38] i'm surprised you haven't called it jackie o nasa's three quite frankly

[00:24:42] well that the day is young um this is a very powerful um amount of technology being used to

[00:24:50] protect this one being yeah his mother obviously was high up and something and needed to protect

[00:24:57] her son and built this unbelievably incredible powerful technology that could read someone's minds

[00:25:05] in thoughts and build an entire environment out of it making the person believe they were really

[00:25:11] in it what race is this where are they what have they done where have they gone is there a benefit

[00:25:19] to being friends with the federation how much of an enemy could they be there are so many questions

[00:25:24] that are open up with this one alien race that we never know you know the last time we had a

[00:25:32] youthful person come on board an enterprise you know because he seemed okay it was Charlie X

[00:25:37] i just want to throw that out there and look how that turned out but i mean admittedly reiker has no

[00:25:42] idea this kids capabilities i mean the standards can create this entire environment through him

[00:25:48] you know to to make reiker feel like he's he's on the enterprise it had the sights it had the smells

[00:25:53] you know we know this now because reiker reiker says so but right oh we have no idea if they're not

[00:26:01] you know if they don't feed on the souls of sentient beings what do they eat exactly i mean just

[00:26:09] looking at that alien face who knows what they could do that's another thing bug face this is

[00:26:14] going to be the last thing that bugs me about this episode before we get into things i really really

[00:26:19] love yeah that was actually unintentional that is not my favorite make up slash costume piece in star

[00:26:30] trek it looks um it looks really stereotypical you know aliens came in and and and hauled me away

[00:26:40] for you know for exploratory tests and probe me kind of thing exactly yeah i i expected different

[00:26:49] because even sarjanka in season two looked interesting

[00:26:52] exactly exactly it was like this kind of a shortcut yeah and they wanted they wanted to introduce an

[00:27:01] alien that was extremely powerful or had the technology extremely powerful technology so they

[00:27:08] really wanted to make them look different and in doing so they made them look like roswell

[00:27:14] yeah um right that really is the best descriptor of it i it's um yeah i would

[00:27:21] as i mean for all the great aliens that have been created you know by michael westmore i mean

[00:27:27] that the dude has an academy award if i'm not mistaken um i would have thought that there would be

[00:27:32] something that looks a little less roswell quite honestly yeah um yeah me too that for me was

[00:27:39] really the biggest letdown i mean if i'm if i'm looking at it in the scope of the episode it's a

[00:27:44] super minor thing i mean don't get me wrong but when i watch it again you know just you know

[00:27:51] just last night before bed i'm like uh really because this episode is so good

[00:27:58] it is it's fantastic i love this episode it's so great but there are always things that you can pull out

[00:28:03] and and talk about one of them which is the biggest one for me and it's such a small one but

[00:28:09] i've been itching to talk about it with you i told you that i had a couple things that i wanted

[00:28:12] to talk about at this episode let's go back to season two and shades of gray for just a moment

[00:28:19] oh yeah what a wonderful episode actually i really like shades of gray it's it's not it's not bad

[00:28:26] it's you know it's flashback episodes and and the stories compelling enough but what's interesting

[00:28:31] is in shades of gray he gets stabbed by that tree thing or bitten or whatever it is that happens to him

[00:28:36] and he's up in sick bay and they got the probes going into his mind and he's laying there on the

[00:28:41] on the hospital bed and he's he's got this nice shiny blanket on him and he looks like he's in

[00:28:47] the hospital and everything's great just like you would expect when you're in sick bay totally

[00:28:52] this episode great opening episode by the way when he looks at his reflection

[00:28:58] and he sees the different combat and he sees his hair is changed and he's got whiteness beard

[00:29:03] fantastic scene absolutely fantastic according to Beverly however he has been in a coma for days

[00:29:10] after he had the symptoms of this of this disease he's still in his uniform he's been in a coma

[00:29:17] for days and they didn't take him out of his uniform and put him in a sick bay bed with a blanket

[00:29:21] and maybe hospital blues like one of those things that you tie in the back and you're hanging a lot

[00:29:25] of it all the time he's got his captain's uniform on still I understand it's for the the shock of

[00:29:31] seeing that awesome badge that fancets is making a cajillion dollars off of sorry Lou and John I'm

[00:29:37] just gonna tease you about that forever but huh that's just something that's always been like what's

[00:29:44] going on here I have seen this episode conservatively 50 times never once have has it dawned on me

[00:29:53] that rikers should be wearing a johnny a space johnny yeah never once that every time I'm like

[00:30:01] I'm like every single time somebody's in sick bay and they're there for a long time even it's

[00:30:05] isn't even TOS Kirk's in there for a couple of days he's he's not in his uniform he's in the

[00:30:11] the out base scrubs yeah he's got a so captain rikers been in there first for I think it was eight days

[00:30:18] a 10 days I think in the 10 days in the same outfit yum just doing yes exactly I think that's

[00:30:28] one of the funniest parts of this episode and it's not meant to be I understand the shock value

[00:30:33] of what's going on there but it's just something that I've always found as hysterical as far as a

[00:30:37] scene goes the scene is as as locked and staged incredibly well you know when you get that look

[00:30:43] where he sees himself in the mirror and then the camera comes comes around and you see his face

[00:30:49] it's like oh wow what the hell is going on you're right it is a the scene as it exists is fantastic

[00:30:57] but they want you to see those four pips and they want you to see that different combat but

[00:31:02] you're right he's been stewing in the same starfleet issue for 10 days now and it's got to be

[00:31:07] smelling lovely and as far as I know we don't see him change because he's always walking around with

[00:31:12] people you know getting familiar with everything he's never really by himself well then he's torn

[00:31:17] around the ship in the same he's probably changed right there was a commercial yeah so yeah that's

[00:31:25] always something that I've found quite funny and and have been waiting to talk about I love how they

[00:31:32] the subtle things that we've talked about I love the Admiral uniform that Picard has I really like

[00:31:37] that futuristic look I love that I love that there's a Ferengi on the bridge I love that good

[00:31:44] I would have loved yeah I don't think we've really gotten too much cardacians by then maybe

[00:31:48] a little bit but he's seen a cardacian on the bridge would have been really cool but just the

[00:31:53] Ferengi was awesome and he even makes comment about that which is good of course one of the tropes

[00:31:58] I guess we could talk about with the bonkbock on the head is oh okay wharf has a scar in his face

[00:32:02] okay so loup okay whatever but and I don't get why he's practically hunched over the console

[00:32:09] it's like he's typing into his always the pin for his ATM card

[00:32:14] and why is he not in security what happened he's the operations manager now data promoted up which

[00:32:19] means wharf was the next to promote so he got data spot betcha and data's first happy about that

[00:32:26] I wouldn't like that I would have wanted to stay up on the horseshoe baby well it's not the first time

[00:32:30] you know wharf has had to potentially take that role you know yep because it gets talked about

[00:32:35] another time but I um it's I like the fact that the enterprise is familiar enough

[00:32:43] but different enough where you can obviously tell it's the future but I have to tell you the one

[00:32:48] thing I love about this episode is the fact that you see Lavar Burton's eyes

[00:32:56] finally finally very nice not fake cybernetic implant eyes eyes yeah not just the whites of his eyes

[00:33:05] because he's blind um but you actually get to see Lavar's eyes and it's it's fantastic because I

[00:33:14] mean that's one of the defining characteristics you know that people remembered about him from

[00:33:18] roots were just his eyes you know exactly they were just they cut right through and a lot of those

[00:33:24] scenes and fruits in addition to his amazing performance it's it's amazing to think how young he

[00:33:30] was at that particular time but when you know he turns around and you see his eyes you're like damn whoa

[00:33:36] that's cool and they had a great explanation for it and it makes me wonder why couldn't that happen

[00:33:45] like absolutely yep why can't we just clone a pair of eyes and um put him in yeah

[00:33:55] speaking of of scientific technology I know the answer's gonna be but I'm gonna put it out there

[00:34:00] anyway to you yeah so in one of the episodes uh baby Jean-Luc we'll call him baby Jean-Luc

[00:34:05] just for better you know just a better term is paying playing parisie squares according

[00:34:11] to you could break his neck great scene he's got a broken wrist one thing I love about the

[00:34:16] future in Star Trek is you can have just about anything happen and just a little with one of the

[00:34:21] devices and you're gonna be fine a little lot worse still have a scar a little what a little

[00:34:27] yep I know because he's playing on and blah blah blah blah but yeah that could have been gone

[00:34:34] in like five seconds I have to believe that it was the type of injury that a dermal regenerator

[00:34:39] would be unable to repair possibly or warf wanted the trophy warf wanted the trophy because

[00:34:47] they could have fixed martox eye and scarring in deep space nine and he chose not to so I don't

[00:34:51] I don't think just a little scar like that would be a dermal regenerator issue warf gets a new god damn

[00:34:56] spine I created later uh-huh later yep but uh you need to tell me but we keep going back to the

[00:35:07] little minor problems I want to really focus which is what's so fun I know but I want to focus

[00:35:12] really on the things that are really fantastic about this episode yeah I'll simply gonna think we're

[00:35:16] dogging on at the whole time and we're really not oh yeah we don't want it we don't want to have that

[00:35:19] at all nope not at all riker looks you know even in his his state where he's lost 16 years of his memory

[00:35:27] he acts and feels like the captain of this enterprise and he does and data looks really good in red

[00:35:36] um so great first time we see him in red I think isn't it yeah because we don't see him in red again

[00:35:41] the chain of command yeah I think that's right yep or uh what about parallel so I've

[00:35:47] can't think I think that's later so yeah absolutely yep I gotta say I looked for that red data

[00:35:53] action figure from playmates in the early 90s they had it everywhere oh it was one of the least

[00:35:58] produced ones there was a limited stock run of them and if you got one it was immediately worth

[00:36:04] like about 200 bucks but I wanted that red data it was so hard to find I went to every toy store in

[00:36:10] the metro Denver area at the time when I lived there couldn't find one to save my life it's like

[00:36:15] the white whale of of playmates action figures from the 90s that's that's cool it it looked good

[00:36:22] I mean yeah I think that I think data looks good in red quite frankly I he looks he looks very

[00:36:28] good in red and that's one of the that's one of the things also that I like because you don't catch

[00:36:32] the first time you watch in this episode and that two seconds you don't catch that he uses a

[00:36:37] contraction and that's when riker really starts catching on it something's not right um but before

[00:36:44] rikers like what did you say you said can't I thought that was great how they how how that that

[00:36:49] scene unfolded I really liked it but yes you're right data data looks damn good in red I'm still

[00:36:54] trying to figure out a good reason for diana and peccard to be on board the Romulan ship

[00:37:02] without the the treaty being signed um perhaps it's a goodwill gesture perhaps they were just

[00:37:10] along for the ride but I don't I don't know it's a great reveal I love the fact that you know

[00:37:18] rikers like red alert you know typical frixie and style but you know when they come on the

[00:37:26] view screen it's like what the you would think that we were already allies at that point

[00:37:33] um I would love to have had more detail around why right well here's one of the things that I find

[00:37:41] interesting about that because I thought about that also and it's not a dog again we're not

[00:37:45] dogging it but I thought the same thing they make it very clear throughout the rest of the episode

[00:37:51] how important riker was in all of these negotiations and even if he was in a coma for 10 days

[00:37:59] you would think that he would have been in much more heavily involved in these treaties except

[00:38:04] for however it was at the beginning all through this time when peccard supposedly was doing

[00:38:09] and then just for the final signing of the treaty doesn't make sense even though people say well

[00:38:14] he went into coma and he was sick and they didn't know if he was going to have his memory that

[00:38:17] happened only 10 days ago there was I'm sure that this tree had been going on the negotiations for

[00:38:22] a long time I think part of this is the flaw in barrage's story you know I think that as the scanners

[00:38:29] try to put this stuff together it's like well what would make sense here and perhaps some of

[00:38:34] this is not intentionally based upon shortcomings in the script but perhaps the writers interpretation

[00:38:41] of what barrage would have put together in the mind of a child yeah that's just my

[00:38:48] point my two cents no no I like it I like that a lot one of the things that's interesting is

[00:38:54] I think because of because of Star Trek I always say schedule now when instead of schedule

[00:39:00] but whenever we see riker when he said when he tells peccard to shut up which is a great

[00:39:06] great scene when he says shut up as it stop shut your mouth stop talking and and Sir Patrick's

[00:39:12] like I do with you the reaction is great exactly and then he walks up in front of the view screen

[00:39:17] and says you know shall we end the charade and I'm always like damn it sounds like he should

[00:39:26] be saying let's end this Sharad yes but he does one thing I did not know until doing research for

[00:39:34] this discussion was in the trailer for this episode they use him saying it that way but in the

[00:39:41] actual episode they use a different take where he says charade see that's incredible I thought so

[00:39:47] because I could have sworn I remembered him saying it that way yeah you know and then when it gets

[00:39:52] to charade I'm like well maybe I'm just you know assuming that's the way what I've been I wonder if

[00:39:59] in earlier you know when it was first aired maybe he said Sharad but what I've been reading is

[00:40:04] that it was in the in like the you know the trailer he says but but it's kind of interesting I

[00:40:12] saw it because I always picture that in my mind and hear it in my head that it's Sharad and not

[00:40:16] charade so thanks Captain Peccard well you know you know sometimes when they cut those promos together

[00:40:22] I'm sure that the episode isn't necessarily locked at the time true and they're running yep the best

[00:40:27] footage they have and maybe it's the kind of thing where somebody just took the wrong take and put

[00:40:31] it in the the promo reel quite possibly or took the wrong take and put it in the actual episode um

[00:40:37] sure I'll buy that yeah yeah because I think charade would have been kind of neat but to be in

[00:40:42] there for for real it's interesting that they're both delivered almost identically yeah true you know

[00:40:48] it is both are solid as far as takes go but you know one just I think charade sounds better quite

[00:40:54] frankly takes two takes breaks maybe it was two takes maybe you want absolutely yep absolutely um

[00:41:02] I also like how um one of the things I like is is we have continuity in this episode but we also

[00:41:07] have continuity later in this episode even though this didn't really actually happen because in parallels

[00:41:12] the combat just look really similar to these oh they do which I thought was kind of cool that

[00:41:17] they kind of brought that back you mean they got a whole bunch of them in the dressing room backstage

[00:41:20] amount as well use them right it's it's one budget item they they can cross off because they

[00:41:25] already have a bunch of these extras exactly yep um just there's just so many great things about

[00:41:31] this episode that's great but but it all comes back to freaks for me he is he commands every scene

[00:41:40] usually he commands every scene anyway yeah but he commands every scene in this episode and he

[00:41:44] does it he does it with forcefulness when it needs to be there he does it with compassion when he's

[00:41:50] on one-on-one with the with baby Jean-Luc um he does it with um you know concern and being kind of

[00:41:58] afraid when he's talking one-on-one with Diana on what he's supposed to do and how he's supposed

[00:42:02] to act and what if he never gets these memories back freaks does a fantastic job and and running

[00:42:07] the gambit of all the emotions in this episode all for not because it never really happened right

[00:42:13] will you figure you know when when he's aboard the future enterprise this is a riker who's having

[00:42:19] to assimilate a lot of brand new information but still pretend like everything is really cool

[00:42:24] yeah you know oh hey I got to play it cool for the Romulans all right oh my god I'm a father

[00:42:30] oh my god I'm the captain of this ship oh my god I don't remember the last 16 goddamn years

[00:42:37] you know it's um I the way that you know that freaks sort of portrays that because you can tell inside

[00:42:43] he's bewildered but on the outside he's riker right he is and and he does a good job of that in a

[00:42:50] way that is not diplomatic no because when he first meets Tomalock he's got concerns and when they're

[00:42:58] walking down the corridor and then especially when they're turbo lift the looks and snarkiness of his

[00:43:03] comments is really not becoming of a captain because he's just not sure what's going on yet and I

[00:43:10] think that's another great example of how he doubt well he did in this no but it is riker it is

[00:43:15] definitely riker absolute surprise it in punch Tomalock I love the twist in this episode where

[00:43:20] riker figures out the charade and you know um it essentially that the scanners and barrage turn

[00:43:27] it into well it's a Romulan experiment to try to extract the location of starbase 28 or whatever

[00:43:33] it was that was so brilliant um charade number two oh charade number two what a great way to make

[00:43:42] to keep riker in it then to make him think that he was in a simulation to try to compromise

[00:43:46] starfleet security and one thing I really liked about that is when that when that came to be

[00:43:54] when when he thought that you know he he called the bluff of Tomalock in the first charade charade

[00:44:01] and it the image of the bridge dissolve the special effects kind of look a little dated when

[00:44:06] you can tell it's a green screen but then when they show the Romulan in quotes holodeck which is gigantic

[00:44:13] I love the fact that way up in the distance there's Romulan's walking around yeah yeah I love how

[00:44:18] they did that and that actually was the set of the board ship from best of both worlds and they

[00:44:24] redressed it to make it look like a Romulan holodeck but I loved how that little special effect you

[00:44:28] could actually see people back there walking it gave it depth even though it was kind of a

[00:44:33] dated special effect yeah and perhaps they needed something larger than a simple holodeck

[00:44:39] simply because of what they were extracting from rikers memories right in the memory need the

[00:44:42] memory like CPU and memory that was needed for something like yeah well and then the way that

[00:44:48] well I first got to say Andreas coutulus you know returning to Tomalock you know the great great actor

[00:44:54] from Babylon 5 from the fugitive with Harrison Ford replace the one armed man just so many great

[00:45:00] character portrayals by him throughout the years but you know the way his character just sort of says

[00:45:06] oh she wasn't real yeah we messed that one up jeez we'll have to get that ready and then you know

[00:45:12] better than that provision paraphrasing of course but yeah it was just like huh wow well good for you

[00:45:21] you figured it out man yeah we were gonna give him totally trying to scam you gotta give him credit too

[00:45:27] because I said it before in past episodes of Trekkies the wardrobe in TNG is awesome love the

[00:45:33] Starfleet uniforms those Romulan uniforms look like the most friggin uncomfortable things ever they

[00:45:40] are so pointed and the one scene where they're walking down the corridor for the first time we

[00:45:44] really get a close-up of Tomalock walking with Picard and Rikers behind them that sleeve looks like

[00:45:50] it could cut through metal as he's walking down the corridor because it's just so like whoa

[00:45:55] that given credit for wearing that thing that thing looks awful it looks like they took some of

[00:45:59] the old solar panels from Skylab after it fell back to Earth and said what can we do with this I

[00:46:05] got it let's make the Romulan uniforms and it's funny that that's for some reason that became a

[00:46:11] thing on TNG to make the Romulans pointed in ways that we never really saw uniform points

[00:46:18] bridge points on the forehead of course their ears appointed but that's just something that

[00:46:23] seemed to take off with the Romulans in TNG which carried all across all the way through Picard so

[00:46:29] I'm glad that the you know the part of the the charade that took place at the Romulan installation

[00:46:36] wherever the heck that was didn't last very long because I think it was the less believable of the

[00:46:43] like all of a sudden here's a weapon all of a sudden here's a crawl space I know this place to hide

[00:46:48] that they don't know but yet there's this great where you can see right out into the hallway

[00:46:52] and you can hold it with paper clips and you can hold it with paper clips

[00:46:56] but all very you know if you think about the times when you're a kid right and you pretend

[00:47:01] that you're in this world of whatever show like let's say you're playing Star Trek outdoors with

[00:47:05] your friends you come up with these sort of half-to-big things exactly make perfect sense to you when

[00:47:12] you're eight years old but when you're 35 or 40 it's like what the hell yep it also makes me

[00:47:20] think of the times where you know you've done something wrong and you try to come up with a lie

[00:47:24] to keep the story sounding like it's real yeah and as a kid it's just far fetched and you're

[00:47:31] listening to a kid as an adult and it's just far fetched but the kid feels like it's real and

[00:47:35] I feel that that was kind of happening when he saw things starting to unravel yeah more so

[00:47:41] than when Riker discovered that the Enterprise thing was a farce when he started discovering that

[00:47:47] the the Romulan prison was a farce then you kind of started to see some really weird excuses

[00:47:53] and things take place I do love the I do love the way that Romulan Disruptor weapons work yeah

[00:47:58] and the special effects on on that for this episode were pretty cool stormtroopers need those

[00:48:03] things because you can't miss with those it seems at least when Riker's firing well because that

[00:48:07] scene is in the the episode promo too and I remember seeing that and going whoa that's cool

[00:48:12] yeah very much so yeah I um it's the so the scanners do a really good job of trying to stay

[00:48:19] a couple of seconds ahead until you give it a challenge and then every now and then it just

[00:48:24] gets something wrong almost perfect but not perfect enough and we're kind of back to that

[00:48:30] discussion point that I brought up at the beginning that was like you know for this amazing race

[00:48:36] where there's apparently just this one kid left I don't know how the hell that happens but that's

[00:48:40] a story for another time um the fact that they would get so many of these details almost

[00:48:47] is it's pretty good it's pretty good and it's kind of scary yeah I it's funny you talk about how

[00:48:54] he might he might be the last one I really can't imagine that he's the last one I have to go with

[00:49:01] with the what I go with the mindset that he was the last of the family that he was in and was hidden

[00:49:08] where he could never be found by the mother who has since been killed or whatever there's gotta be this

[00:49:13] race has got to be out there somewhere I can't believe that with this technology and this futuristic

[00:49:19] way of doing things and the power that they have that they could have been wiped out somehow

[00:49:24] no but we have to at least consider the possibility right you know for all we know

[00:49:30] you know kind of like um well it seems like kids wind up in the weirdest positions in Star Trek

[00:49:35] because you know Sargento was alone on a planet that was falling apart don't know where her

[00:49:40] family was whether they left her behind so well you just stay in your room you know but this kid

[00:49:46] left with these scanner things in the middle of the rocks no semblance of of help coming we don't

[00:49:55] know how long he's been there we don't know how long he's been there has he ever gone outside the

[00:50:00] cave don't know to see where he's at I mean there's that's what I talked about earlier there is

[00:50:05] there is so much there to build on and I don't want to call it a missed opportunity but it never

[00:50:13] came up again ever in the slightest way yeah that's that's a little sad because I mean you could have

[00:50:20] a hole not that I'm talking out of my ass right now but you could have a whole spin off on something

[00:50:25] like that um if you wanted to if you really wanted to put the time and detail into it but I it was

[00:50:30] it was interesting that we never heard anything about them never got a name for the race never

[00:50:34] got another word from barrage or what happened to him yeah yeah that's gonna be one of those mysteries

[00:50:40] that you know comes to our brain whenever we see this episode it would have been great if this

[00:50:45] were covered in a novel or even a comic book series you know just sort of get some more meat

[00:50:51] around you know what happens to barrage or where he came from in the first place right and whether

[00:50:58] or not he goes back home because we have to assume this isn't his home no it didn't it didn't sound

[00:51:03] like it was it it sounded like he was hidden there by his mom so I don't think it was his home if

[00:51:08] it was his home pretty drive home just a big cave and why hidden yeah that they they kind of play

[00:51:16] on that a little bit about about how his mother's enemies were looking for them but that's it that's

[00:51:23] all you hear I mean what was she a space pirate was she is back as a government yeah who knows

[00:51:30] well sadly we'll never know it's like how many licks does it take to get to the center of a

[00:51:33] touchy ball three the world will never know three uh oh yeah what do who

[00:51:40] I don't where that came from that's what they tell us in the commercial anyway it is that's a cute

[00:51:43] owl to it like that anyway so I mean all in all if we if we're stuck ranking the top 10

[00:51:48] riker episodes this one's in there oh absolutely I say it's in the top top three top four maybe

[00:51:54] really oh I love this this is riker at his best I mean he got frame of mind that's that's probably

[00:52:01] number one yeah I mean I can't really think of anything else but but this is this is a strong

[00:52:06] riker episode and I think the reason I'm so passionate about it is because not only is it a strong

[00:52:12] riker acted episode it's a strong written at riker episode yeah when you get when you get

[00:52:18] strong writing strong acting strong directing how can you go wrong and all of those things are in

[00:52:25] this episode which is what's why it's one of my top ones for season four if not the entire run of

[00:52:30] the series I love this episode it's also the second time in this particular season season four where

[00:52:35] he gets to be the captain that's right absolutely because he starts the sealer now yeah he starts

[00:52:40] the season that way and then by episode eight that's like I just put another pit bond it'll be fine

[00:52:45] yep absolutely where to go where to go Frank's for me I have to think that best of both worlds one

[00:52:52] and two are up there for him just because of what it means for him I would say for what it means

[00:52:57] from yes in terms of a riker episode I've never really put it up in the top top ones I mean

[00:53:05] I understand there's a lot that he has to deal with he's got to become the captain like on the

[00:53:10] fly he's losing his friend and there's a couple scenes when he's dressing down shall we that are

[00:53:16] really strong but it's not it's not the whole episode this is the whole episode this is this

[00:53:21] is all riker all the time in this one and I really just love the way it's done I'd argue that part

[00:53:26] two is almost an all riker episode it is it is yeah that I'll give you that yep but unfortunately

[00:53:33] and I hate to say this because it's probably going to piss people off the the second part of

[00:53:38] the best of both worlds doesn't hold a candle to the first part in my opinion it's still great

[00:53:44] the ending is a little it's never anything that I've really loved have how it ended and putting them

[00:53:49] you know sleep and all that stuff um but so that maybe that takes it away from me looking at it as

[00:53:56] much of a riker episode as as I should I like to put you to sleep I'd that I do not doubt

[00:54:02] and you know damn hmm I love talking about these episodes yes you know because I think ever since

[00:54:12] Picard season three these episodes of next generation kind of hit a little differently um and

[00:54:18] there's so much more to admire and love and really just sort of enjoy about some of the

[00:54:28] I guess they're classics now I mean let's just be honest about yeah we're that age yeah but

[00:54:33] they're in a way I'm gonna say they're even a little better than the first time we saw them

[00:54:38] I don't disagree I think that's one of the things I love so much about what Picard season three did

[00:54:43] the the additional layers of all these characters that a lot of people grew up with we didn't

[00:54:48] necessarily grow up with them because we're older but a lot of fans grew up with TNG so to be able

[00:54:54] to have that additional layer of what's happened so many years later um seeing them all together again

[00:54:59] really makes these these special episodes that are some of our favorites from TNG stand up more

[00:55:05] and I don't disagree with you at all they're even better now yeah how that's possible I don't know

[00:55:10] but it is and they are and it does and we do I have to agree with all that's the first time

[00:55:16] you've made sense this entire episode thank you um thank now I say that in contrast to the episode

[00:55:21] I'm about to hear about um because we want to thank our friends the band five year mission and that

[00:55:26] usually means you go on some sprawling incoherent babble fest about some mirror universe episode that

[00:55:34] you've seen that has to do with the band so let me just say before you get to that horrifying piece

[00:55:42] of trek geeks out that we love five year mission we really do I mean it's not just lip service because

[00:55:48] we play their music we are not only are the are we huge fans of this band but we consider them friends

[00:55:56] you know um without them this show would not sound the way it does and I think that their music is

[00:56:03] perfect for what we do so it's an honor to showcase their music every week it's an honor to be

[00:56:09] their friend and believe me if you go out to fiveyearmission.net and get all those CDs you're going

[00:56:14] to love what you hear I guarantee it so that's fiveyearmission.net go get those CDs I'm going to go

[00:56:19] off on a little tangent before I do my very important announcement that I usually do at this time

[00:56:24] we have a new listener who we've talked about before her name is Carly I actually talked to her today

[00:56:29] and she was talking about how she's been listening to our episodes and she says because of you guys

[00:56:34] I am going out and I am getting the five year mission CDs because I love their music she loves

[00:56:40] what we do she loves the intro the best of Trekkies and and I said yeah all of their stuff is great

[00:56:46] they got a new one coming out so so there you go there you're gonna have some CDs in her hand just

[00:56:50] like you always say she's gonna get the physical media and I think that's fantastic um but now

[00:56:56] into more important things Bill and so you know onto your pedantic cycle babble I like that um it's

[00:57:02] no surprise you know you know that I love lower decks I have since the beginning it's a great

[00:57:07] addition to the Star Trek universe the animation the humor excuse me the humor is so great Mike

[00:57:13] McMahon and his team have done just a fantastic job like that third season episode you remember this

[00:57:19] when Boimler and Mariner are assigned to be at the Starfleet recruiting booth on Togana 4 Togana 4

[00:57:26] shows up all the time in lower decks anyway Boimler loses his mind when a smug drummer keeps mocking him

[00:57:33] and and then he goes crazy in front of everybody at the job fair yes the pills just just having

[00:57:37] your blast with this more importantly in this episode though we find out exactly what happened to

[00:57:41] Rutherford and why he had his implants put in but the mystery does remain as to who exactly was

[00:57:47] responsible it's a great season three episode buddy it's reflections and you gotta check it out

[00:57:53] you won't forget it even though I just did I I have a serious question for you hmm why are you the

[00:58:04] way that you are mommy made me the way she made me um first I want to I want to have a bono

[00:58:14] contention here oh boy um I think it should be reforctions and not reforctions because flark isn't his name

[00:58:23] did I I there's the there's the one mistake of the episode that I always saw yes reforctions

[00:58:30] reforctions 310 now episodes yeah personal conversations yeah park oh yeah and you got a season

[00:58:38] of sister's orders everything a trial yep and you got his name roll I don't know if I would get his

[00:58:46] name wrong I kind of you know the the real universe episode reflections I just for some reason it

[00:58:52] happens every once in a while this incredible Einstein-like mind has a little skip of the beat so to

[00:58:59] speak and I just typed the extra L in there it's all good though people know what I meant you did

[00:59:04] the dinosaurs had brains the size of wallnuts and I think that that's infinitely bigger than what

[00:59:09] you have going on upstairs there reforctions yeah there you go thanks for the correction I appreciate it

[00:59:16] so but yeah back to wire you the way that you are I don't know it's nine years of doing podcasts with

[00:59:23] you I guess I really I hate everything you choose me I'm your friend Bill I'm still in right from

[00:59:30] the office I just want you to know both of those lines those are all directed at Toby the HR guy

[00:59:36] oh god I love Toby no you're you're my Toby wow you're my dad hurts I haven't even gotten

[00:59:44] all the way through the the series and that hurts are you any further along than the last time

[00:59:48] couple episode yeah it was August now so it was more recent than that we were traveling oh since then

[00:59:57] I've watched since then yes I've watched you know you listen to and a four you were at the

[01:00:03] beginning of four in August that's the whole season baby why don't you just pause grim for a little

[01:00:07] bit well okay so now see now we got to go off on another tangent I'm sorry reforctions we

[01:00:13] got to go into the we finished grim the other day and I'm very disappointed sad why you've watched

[01:00:19] like a hundred times because we can't watch it anymore it has become my all time favorite show

[01:00:23] it has knocked lost off the top of the list why can't you watch it anymore week well we can but

[01:00:27] it's sad that it's over and we have to start over again because I wanted to watch office but you

[01:00:31] just gave me permission to start over again so we're gonna start over again tomorrow I think

[01:00:35] if you permission you said you can't watch it anymore that implies that you're not able no

[01:00:40] we're just it's sad such a good show let's start a grim podcast good maybe you'll get your ass

[01:00:48] off this one that's up I'm your mission dot-man go get all their CDs of course don't forget that

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[01:01:05] I did that the watch along was actually selected by one of our patrons it really was I'm looking

[01:01:11] forward to it was Helen wasn't it Helen it was yeah that we're gonna have that watch along you did

[01:01:15] send me the email if I remember correctly I did click on yes to maybe it was just to add

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[01:03:51] to patreon.com slash trekkieks for all the details Dan next week we're planning on starting more

[01:03:57] serious discussion but I'm calling it audible oh wow I'm giving you something that's not in

[01:04:03] the copies so the so the furthest thing away from serious discussion the furthest thing away from

[01:04:09] serious discussion so originally we were going to start our mental health and star trek you know

[01:04:14] series um I'm not ready for that okay so okay next time on trekkieks Dan we're going to do an

[01:04:23] all-outtake episode all trekkieks now this is not pre-recorded this is not you know outtakes from

[01:04:30] previous episodes that you've heard you and I are going to sit down and record a fresh episode of

[01:04:35] trekkieks that is nothing but an outtake wow that's a good that's challenge accepted see it should

[01:04:43] be fun are we gonna have to like bleep or no we don't bleep anymore we don't leave an

[01:04:47] out story about that okay wow this is going to be interesting come to think of it a lot of our

[01:04:51] discussions are pretty much outtake so it should be pretty good yeah uh we did for it we do we

[01:04:55] did 20 minutes this week without even bad and I am pretty sure we can get an hour out of this wow

[01:05:00] so okay so you heard it right here folks live in color or not because you don't really watch it

[01:05:06] you listen to it in your ear holes um it's gonna be the all-outtake episode next time on trekkieks

[01:05:15] you know the flight if I if I really wanted to throw a wrench I tell you we were doing it live

[01:05:19] on youtube but I'm not doing that to you that's not a wrench that I feel like catching

[01:05:24] I'd love to throw that wrench at your face I know you put maybe in the future we'll do one of those

[01:05:28] on youtube okay uh far future and because that means people can always throw comments and questions

[01:05:34] as we discuss things which is fun yeah it is but for this time is just you and me and our microphones

[01:05:40] and um fun and frivolity will ensue if that's what you want to call it looking forward to it

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[01:08:29] Welcome to the 2024 version of NPR for Star Trek.

[01:08:47] I'm your co-host, Bill Smith.

[01:08:50] Today we're going to have a browsing discussion on the episode of the television series

[01:08:59] Star Trek, the Next Generation which by the way ran from 1987 to 1994 syndicated across

[01:09:08] the world.

[01:09:11] An episode called Future Imperfect Dan as the co-host here of Trek Geeks.

[01:09:23] I'd like to know your thoughts.

[01:09:32] What do you say?

[01:09:34] What?

[01:09:35] I'm sorry.

[01:09:36] Oh, sorry.

[01:09:37] I was taking a nap.

[01:09:38] What's up?

[01:09:39] Hi.

[01:09:40] What's up?

[01:09:41] You talk in your sleep, Dan.

[01:09:42] What?

[01:09:43] Wow.

[01:09:44] I do.

[01:09:45] I do.

[01:09:46] Dan.

[01:09:47] What are you saying?

[01:09:48] I didn't catch any of that.

[01:09:49] Dan, it wouldn't be.

[01:09:50] A new year if we didn't have an NPR segment.

[01:09:56] Okay, and we have.

[01:10:00] Yay!

[01:10:01] Okay, so it's a new year.

[01:10:02] Congratulations, great segment, Bill.

[01:10:03] Good to see you.

[01:10:04] It's not over yet.

[01:10:05] Oh, damn.

[01:10:06] Damn it.

[01:10:07] See what I have to put up with people.

[01:10:10] What did I do?

[01:10:14] What do you put up with?

[01:10:16] How many times are you here last year?

[01:10:20] There he is.

[01:10:21] Hey, pal.

[01:10:22] I just want you to know I hate your guts.

[01:10:26] That's not nearly as much as I used to.

[01:10:28] But it's good to see you.

[01:10:29] It's great to be here.

[01:10:30] We are almost a third of the way to our entire episode count in 2008.

[01:10:33] I know, right?

[01:10:34] And we'll get there.

[01:10:35] Pretty soon.

[01:10:36] At least make nine.

[01:10:37] At least by the end of October, we should hit it.

[01:10:39] Go ahead.

[01:10:41] Go ahead for it.

[01:10:42] No, it's, yeah.

[01:10:43] And I got to tell you ever since it's funny how we decided to come up with what

[01:10:47] we're going to talk about.

[01:10:48] I'm very excited about it.

[01:10:50] It's going to be a fun discussion.

[01:10:53] Of course, you've already listened to the discussion.

[01:10:56] I'll you 12 people that listen to the podcast.

[01:11:00] So why am I even saying anything about it?

[01:11:03] Oh, the Patreon's haven't heard it yet.

[01:11:05] Well, that's true.

[01:11:06] They're important.

[01:11:07] They're important for those of you who don't subscribe to Patreon.

[01:11:11] They get the raw audio of this recording and the outtake, which you're hearing now, is

[01:11:16] actually what we record first.

[01:11:17] Yep.

[01:11:18] First thing.

[01:11:19] So it happens before we actually get through the actual episode discussion at all.

[01:11:24] So the patrons are hearing this in the order in which we record it.

[01:11:28] You will hear it as it is edited and assembled, and it's correct show order.

[01:11:34] Yes.

[01:11:35] So as you hear this non-patriotical, we've already talked about it, but the Patreons are

[01:11:40] getting this live and uncut.

[01:11:43] Yep.

[01:11:44] And through the magic of Bill's wonderful editing, this gets moved to the end and the

[01:11:49] one or maybe two mistakes I make are edited out.

[01:11:53] So you never hear it.

[01:11:54] So yeah.

[01:11:55] I think just really only one time I've edited out a mistake of yours.

[01:12:00] You love leaving them in.

[01:12:02] Well, but I mean, actually people ask me about this every now and then, right?

[01:12:08] Like I can ask about this in Vegas.

[01:12:09] It's like why do you leave all that stuff in?

[01:12:10] It's like, well, if you and I are at a bar or at STLV, for example, if we were having

[01:12:15] a discussion about Star Trek, that's the way the discussion would be.

[01:12:20] The idea is that our listeners are the proverbial fly on the wall, not that there are any

[01:12:26] proverbs about flies on walls.

[01:12:29] So please don't at me.

[01:12:30] But it's that kind of thing.

[01:12:35] The people listening are part of the conversation in that sense.

[01:12:40] When you make a mistake, when I make a mistake, it's in.

[01:12:42] You make mistakes.

[01:12:43] Oh, I've played many of the mistakes.

[01:12:46] I'm asking you to be the co-host of this fucking podcast.

[01:12:48] Big mistake right there.

[01:12:49] The first one.

[01:12:50] Boom.

[01:12:51] I mean, you couldn't get any worse than that one.

[01:12:53] So I couldn't.

[01:12:54] I couldn't.

[01:12:55] I couldn't because I keep coming back.

[01:12:57] 310 times.

[01:12:58] 10, 310.

[01:12:59] Boom, 310.

[01:13:00] Yikes.

[01:13:01] It's crazy, isn't it?

[01:13:05] Yeah.

[01:13:06] Faces crazy.

[01:13:07] Crazy.

[01:13:08] I want to say no because, you know, Spotify and all that stuff.

[01:13:11] But I could have.

[01:13:12] I might know.

[01:13:13] So I have an update for you.

[01:13:14] Oh, good.

[01:13:15] Update to good.

[01:13:16] Last time I talked about a new podcast I was launching.

[01:13:19] Yes, we did.

[01:13:20] We released this episode.

[01:13:22] The Monday following that Spotify announced that they were ending the ability to cut music

[01:13:27] into your Spotify podcast.

[01:13:28] Oh, no.

[01:13:29] So this takes my entire podcast idea, which was golden.

[01:13:33] Yes.

[01:13:34] And kind of takes me back to planning stage because I was ready to start going.

[01:13:38] Oh, man.

[01:13:39] So I'm so pissed.

[01:13:41] Spotify you're stupid.

[01:13:44] But thank you for letting us be on your platform.

[01:13:47] Thank you.

[01:13:48] We submitted our show.

[01:13:49] That's, that's, they didn't allow us.

[01:13:50] They got accepted.

[01:13:52] We were one of the first track podcasts on the Spotify.

[01:13:54] Yes, we were.

[01:13:55] We submitted through Lipson.

[01:13:56] Yep.

[01:13:57] Very exciting when that happened.

[01:13:58] When you told me that, I'm like, are you serious?

[01:14:00] Yeah.

[01:14:01] You're Trailblazers, baby.

[01:14:03] Trailblazers.

[01:14:05] Portland Trailblazers.

[01:14:06] No.

[01:14:07] Not at all.

[01:14:08] Not even are they still around?

[01:14:09] I don't even know if they're here.

[01:14:10] I have no idea.

[01:14:11] Did you know that there's a team in New Orleans called the Pelicans?

[01:14:14] I do.

[01:14:15] I do know that.

[01:14:16] I didn't know that somewhere else.

[01:14:17] Did you also know that started getting to sports people, but last night was the NBA All-Star

[01:14:22] game and state.

[01:14:23] Was it?

[01:14:24] Yeah.

[01:14:25] And same thing.

[01:14:26] I don't watch it at all.

[01:14:27] But there was a lot of complaints that the All-Star game now is just a farce and they

[01:14:29] don't play defense and it's just an offensive contest and see who does what.

[01:14:35] The East scored 211 points in the game.

[01:14:41] And they won by like 30.

[01:14:43] 211?

[01:14:44] 211.

[01:14:45] Highest scoring game in the history of the NBA.

[01:14:47] Was La John Braimes playing?

[01:14:49] I don't even know.

[01:14:50] See, I don't have any interest in...

[01:14:52] I don't like the All-Star game for any of the sports because it's just ripe to get some

[01:14:56] great person injured for no reason at all.

[01:14:59] That's a reference to the office that I was making.

[01:15:01] Oh, is it?

[01:15:02] Okay.

[01:15:03] All right.

[01:15:05] It's a deep cut reference.

[01:15:06] I really admit it.

[01:15:08] If you're not a...

[01:15:09] You're not a casual...

[01:15:10] And you're a casual?

[01:15:11] La John Braimes.

[01:15:12] Oh, okay.

[01:15:13] If you're a casual watcher of the office, you probably...

[01:15:15] It had to be Michael Scott who said that.

[01:15:17] No, so...

[01:15:18] Really?

[01:15:19] Here's what happens.

[01:15:21] Darrell, the warehouse supervisor, he likes to mess with Michael on occasion.

[01:15:26] He does.

[01:15:27] And Michael asked the question about...

[01:15:30] I believe it's Michael who asked the question about LeBron James.

[01:15:33] And Darrell messing with him goes, you mean La John Braimes?

[01:15:36] And Michael's like, yeah.

[01:15:41] I like the guy who plays Darrell.

[01:15:43] He's funny and hot tub time machine.

[01:15:45] Craig Robinson is hilarious.

[01:15:46] Hot tub time machine too.

[01:15:48] One of the worst movies ever made in the history of mankind.

[01:15:51] But Hot tub time machine is one of our go-to's when we're looking for something to watch.

[01:15:55] Craig Robinson is great on Brooklyn 99.

[01:15:58] He is a recurring part.

[01:15:59] He also has a series on peacock about...

[01:16:03] It's a comedy.

[01:16:05] And it's about a guy trying to start a business selling saw-up on metal berries by capturing

[01:16:16] and killing pythons in the Florida Everglades.

[01:16:19] What?

[01:16:20] Yeah.

[01:16:21] I have to look up the name of the series.

[01:16:25] I...

[01:16:26] Who...

[01:16:27] The genius of writers because who would have ever thought of something like that?

[01:16:33] It's a funny show.

[01:16:34] I like it a lot.

[01:16:35] That's nuts.

[01:16:36] You wouldn't think it would be great.

[01:16:37] Or berries, maybe.

[01:16:38] Oh, it's called killing it.

[01:16:40] Okay.

[01:16:41] Oh, I've heard of that.

[01:16:42] Yeah.

[01:16:43] It's a peacock.

[01:16:44] All right.

[01:16:45] There's another one that when we were...

[01:16:46] What was it?

[01:16:47] When we were behind the scenes for Trek Talks 3 back in January, everybody was talking

[01:16:52] about...

[01:16:53] And Fraixie was talking about the bear?

[01:16:55] The bear on F-Act.

[01:16:56] Everybody says that that's fantastic.

[01:16:58] I haven't seen it yet, though.

[01:17:01] Ellie and I tried an episode and we were like...

[01:17:04] Eh?

[01:17:05] Eh?

[01:17:06] Now maybe we need to give it more.

[01:17:08] But everyone that I have heard talk about it has just raved about it.

[01:17:13] Yeah.

[01:17:14] It's like...

[01:17:15] Maybe it's me.

[01:17:16] That could be.

[01:17:17] Yeah.

[01:17:18] But it could be just a slow pickup like WandaVision.

[01:17:19] Everybody was saying how great WandaVision.

[01:17:20] You got to watch this.

[01:17:21] My nephew was going crazy first episode soon.

[01:17:24] I watched it.

[01:17:25] We were like, this is awful.

[01:17:26] But the first episode was supposed to be like...

[01:17:28] It got way better.

[01:17:30] The series...

[01:17:31] It was actually...

[01:17:32] I really liked how it went but that first episode was...

[01:17:34] If you're not a fan of like...

[01:17:35] I love Lucy or that kind of television.

[01:17:37] It was not...

[01:17:38] It was not making it for me.

[01:17:40] I love that kind of television.

[01:17:42] Yeah.

[01:17:43] But I bailed because I just...

[01:17:45] I had no interest.

[01:17:47] That was the series that made me realize I don't need to watch everything marvel.

[01:17:51] And they really haven't done anything good since then.

[01:17:54] Now, honestly...

[01:17:56] If you think about it, a lot of their flagship characters

[01:18:00] already have movies and we're part of that first couple of phases of the MCU.

[01:18:05] I don't care about Ant-Man.

[01:18:07] I don't care about some of these other characters.

[01:18:11] I think the characters that have had standalone films that have done well, Iron Man,

[01:18:17] Thor, Black Panther.

[01:18:20] I think that those movies should do well and have.

[01:18:24] There's plenty of movies that I really don't care about.

[01:18:27] Doctor Strange.

[01:18:28] I'm sorry, I don't care.

[01:18:30] I was never a big Doctor Strange comic book collector fan because I collected all kinds

[01:18:35] of marvels when I was younger.

[01:18:37] I do like what Benedict brought to the role but he's not one of my favorites.

[01:18:42] I did like what he did in the Avengers movies and the second one with him with Wanda

[01:18:48] was I did enjoy.

[01:18:50] I'm just not as much into the Marvel stuff as I used to be with now that the end game

[01:18:55] came and went.

[01:18:57] But I am very excited for the Secret Wars movie that's supposed to come out in a few years.

[01:19:01] If it's anything like the original comic book series called Secret Wars because to this

[01:19:06] day, it's the best comic book series I ever read.

[01:19:08] It's fantastic and I hope it's something like the comic book.

[01:19:14] Okay, that's fair.

[01:19:16] We'll see what happens.

[01:19:17] Many people were hoping that the whole Thanos storyline would be as good as the comics.

[01:19:23] As somebody who never read Marvel growing up, I can only believe that it was based on the

[01:19:27] reaction to it.

[01:19:28] They actually had at least one Easter egg that I know of in Avengers in end game when Thanos

[01:19:36] blows up the Avengers compound and Hulk is basically holding up everything on his back

[01:19:42] to keep the whoever's with him.

[01:19:43] I forget who's that rocket and man or somebody with him.

[01:19:47] That's a direct takeoff of an issue of Secret Wars where he's literally holding a mountain

[01:19:54] range on his shoulders to keep everybody from being crushed.

[01:19:58] Oh, wow.

[01:19:59] So it was a, and it's like one of my, and like I can still picture the cover of that episode

[01:20:03] of Secret Wars in my mind right now of him holding up the mountain range that I think

[01:20:09] Magneto dropped on them.

[01:20:10] I can't remember who it was, but yeah.

[01:20:12] That's like this new announcement for the New Fantastic Four movie as much as I like Pedro

[01:20:17] Casca Pascal and could not care any less.

[01:20:20] This will be the third iteration of Fantastic Four.

[01:20:23] Is it three or four?

[01:20:25] As far as I know, it's the third one.

[01:20:26] Okay.

[01:20:27] Oh, two movies with the first cast.

[01:20:28] Yeah, that's right.

[01:20:29] Yep.

[01:20:30] There was the second grouping.

[01:20:31] Yep.

[01:20:32] And now this, this new group, I just, I still don't care.

[01:20:35] I think the reason that they're doing it is because those other ones weren't done by the

[01:20:39] Marvel studio that's now under the Disney umbrella.

[01:20:42] So I think that's why they're doing it because I'll tell you what, the first one was eh,

[01:20:47] I didn't even see the second.

[01:20:48] Oh no, the second one was with silver surfer with Doug, Doug.

[01:20:52] So I did see that one but the remake, I think I only saw the last like 15 minutes and

[01:20:56] I'm like, what?

[01:20:57] I didn't even know what it was at first.

[01:20:58] I'm like, what is this?

[01:20:59] Yeah.

[01:21:00] Yeah.

[01:21:01] Yeah.

[01:21:02] Marvel talk brought to you by the Trek Geeks podcast.

[01:21:04] Yeah.

[01:21:05] You're right.

[01:21:06] We're going all over the place.

[01:21:07] Let's talk about them up.

[01:21:08] And your face is all over the place.

[01:21:10] Wow.

[01:21:11] Okay.

[01:21:12] They really don't care about the Muppets because I'm not seven anymore.

[01:21:16] Wow.

[01:21:17] I mean, I love them up, it shall grown up.

[01:21:20] Beyond that, I really don't care.

[01:21:21] The Muppets are in the Disney game then I play right now.

[01:21:23] They play every single day on my iPad.

[01:21:25] They've been introduced into the game.

[01:21:28] It's weird to me that Disney owns the Muppets still.

[01:21:30] Yeah.

[01:21:31] Yep.

[01:21:32] I'll never forget the day that Jim Henson died or the next day because the day after

[01:21:35] the political cartoon, I'll never forget it.

[01:21:38] It was Mickey Mouse.

[01:21:39] It was a picture of Mickey Mouse and Kermit sitting on a rock looking at the ocean and

[01:21:43] no words or anything.

[01:21:45] And Mickey Mouse just had his arm around Kermit.

[01:21:47] That was all it was.

[01:21:48] It was very powerful.

[01:21:50] Yeah.

[01:21:51] Yeah.

[01:21:52] Wow.

[01:21:53] We kind of brought this right down.

[01:21:55] Yeah.

[01:21:56] Thanks, Dan.

[01:21:57] I don't want to record anymore.

[01:21:58] Bye.

[01:21:59] Great job, Dan.

[01:22:00] I do like your USS Enterprise.

[01:22:04] Was that a blanket behind it?

[01:22:06] It's a blanket.

[01:22:07] Yes, very nice blanket.

[01:22:08] I have a towel that looks just like that beach top.

[01:22:10] Okay.

[01:22:11] Yeah.

[01:22:12] There you go.

[01:22:13] There you go.

[01:22:14] We were looking for throw blankets for the love seat.

[01:22:17] You know, because I mean, that's largely for the dog.

[01:22:20] Right.

[01:22:21] We bought it at the beginning of lockdown because we realized if we're going to be working

[01:22:27] up here, you know, Abby at the time needed a place to sort of chill out so we bought

[01:22:32] that love seat.

[01:22:33] Makes sense.

[01:22:34] Through one of the online sites and I bought a cheapo Star Trek blankets but on there

[01:22:39] well done.

[01:22:40] The blanket lining, the seat is a Patriots blanket so we've kind of got the best of both

[01:22:44] worlds.

[01:22:45] There are no pun intended.

[01:22:46] Oh, look at that throwing a little Star Trek into your conversation.

[01:22:49] That would be it.

[01:22:50] It was intended.

[01:22:51] All right.

[01:22:52] I said no pun intended.

[01:22:54] No pun intended.

[01:22:55] Yeah.

[01:22:56] Which typically, oh God.

[01:23:00] That was not my intent.

[01:23:04] Hmm.

[01:23:05] Thank you.

[01:23:07] Thank you, Dan.

[01:23:10] I would love to do a poll to see if people think that that's stupid as I think is.

[01:23:14] I think it is.

[01:23:15] They don't just kid.

[01:23:16] I just love you in the art time.

[01:23:19] They don't know it's gold.

[01:23:22] It's gold.

[01:23:24] People love the NPR voice.

[01:23:26] Yes.

[01:23:27] Yeah.

[01:23:28] Yeah, it's funny because I started thinking about Vegas this week which I think is 101

[01:23:34] days away.

[01:23:35] Ah.

[01:23:36] I don't know.

[01:23:37] I think.

[01:23:38] No, that's a little that's truck long Island my bad.

[01:23:41] It's your handy dandy little downstairs.

[01:23:42] It's downstairs.

[01:23:43] Oh, okay.

[01:23:44] It's downstairs.

[01:23:45] That's just over.

[01:23:46] The truck long island is 101 days away so Vegas is a little further out and I'm thinking

[01:23:49] why I got to start putting together a presentation for stump the geek.

[01:23:54] I'm like no.

[01:23:55] I do not.

[01:23:56] You don't because it's not this year.

[01:23:58] The stump this right.

[01:23:59] Yep.

[01:24:00] So I'm going to start putting together a template for you for geek the stump.

[01:24:04] Yeah.

[01:24:05] Yeah.

[01:24:06] Yeah.

[01:24:07] Because I remember committing to that on stage.

[01:24:09] You did.

[01:24:10] It's one of the few moments I was not inebriated in Vegas and you would think that that would

[01:24:14] be something that you would have committed to when you were in ebri and you can't even

[01:24:18] say it.

[01:24:19] And an ebriated drunk loaded.

[01:24:25] Yeah.

[01:24:26] Plasted.

[01:24:27] Plasted.

[01:24:28] Blank faced.

[01:24:29] I'm going to tell you last thing before we get to go and I know this where it's 16 minutes

[01:24:33] now and it's makes as much as much sense as our star track discussion.

[01:24:38] I am so sick to death that stupid Dunk King's commercial.

[01:24:43] Yeah.

[01:24:44] So I walked into a Dunkin' Donuts today.

[01:24:47] Yeah.

[01:24:48] Okay.

[01:24:49] And the menu boards are now all LCD screens for LED screens, whatever.

[01:24:55] And one of them is dedicated to playing that 30 second commercial on a loop.

[01:24:59] Oh, oh my God.

[01:25:00] And I know this because they stood there for 10 minutes.

[01:25:02] Oh my gosh.

[01:25:03] And literally saw it 20 times.

[01:25:05] Wow.

[01:25:06] It's on mute, thankfully.

[01:25:08] Yep.

[01:25:09] But yeah, I don't have any interest in trying that coffee at all.

[01:25:17] No.

[01:25:18] How stick with my regular flavors?

[01:25:19] I just, no.

[01:25:21] No.

[01:25:22] And you can get one with a skewer of lunchkins, like a martini.

[01:25:26] Yep.

[01:25:27] That's good and healthy.

[01:25:28] Talk about the shittiest martini.

[01:25:30] Yep.

[01:25:31] Where's the mine?

[01:25:33] Yeah.

[01:25:34] Well no, it's not that crazy.

[01:25:36] Come on now.

[01:25:37] That's where I, that's my bread and butter.

[01:25:39] Oh, bread and butter martini.

[01:25:40] That sounds heinous.

[01:25:42] Liver and onions martini.

[01:25:43] I talk about making like a turkey gravy martini joking around at Thanksgiving.

[01:25:49] You still want me a Charleston Choo martini before I move?

[01:25:52] I do.

[01:25:53] I do.

[01:25:54] And I actually think I saved a recipe, so yes.

[01:25:56] Or?

[01:25:57] Huh?

[01:25:58] You can make it in Long Island.

[01:26:00] Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

[01:26:01] We can record the results.

[01:26:03] All right.

[01:26:04] That's challenge accepted.

[01:26:06] Oh yeah.

[01:26:07] Don't have to pack anything for a flight that could break or in luggage or anything like

[01:26:10] that, so yeah.

[01:26:11] Yeah.

[01:26:12] You can do that.

[01:26:13] Okay.

[01:26:14] And of course I'm flying up to Manchester to drive down to Long Island with you.

[01:26:17] Oh gee, thanks.

[01:26:18] That'll be a great trip.

[01:26:20] It's my present to you.

[01:26:21] Yeah.

[01:26:22] Wow, great.

[01:26:23] You never have to get me anything ever again because this is just the best.

[01:26:27] The nice thing is you don't have to travel to Vegas with me.

[01:26:30] Oh, believe me.

[01:26:31] That is a nice thing.

[01:26:32] I'll have the much quicker flight.

[01:26:35] You will.

[01:26:36] That is true.

[01:26:37] That is true.

[01:26:38] But I think I get in before you.

[01:26:40] I leave several hours earlier.

[01:26:42] You leave several hours earlier?

[01:26:44] I have to think I have a direct flight.

[01:26:47] Oh, that's pretty nice.

[01:26:48] Oh yeah.

[01:26:49] Sure.

[01:26:50] Yeah.

[01:26:51] So I leave later and I arrive a little later.

[01:26:53] Yeah.

[01:26:54] But it's all because it's going to take you eight and a half hours to get there.

[01:26:57] I think I've got like a three hour layover in Chicago or something like that.

[01:27:00] Some stupid thing.

[01:27:01] I can't wait for it to turn into an all night trip.

[01:27:03] I know.

[01:27:04] Thanks.

[01:27:05] Thank you for jingling it.

[01:27:07] You should add me to the room in case you get stuck in Chicago.

[01:27:10] Nope.

[01:27:11] You're on your own.

[01:27:13] Bye.

[01:27:14] See?

[01:27:15] See?

[01:27:16] What goes around comes around and it's coming around going to hit you in the face, yo.

[01:27:21] Yeah, it's like I'm not going to be able to find a hotel room in a city filled with goddamn

[01:27:26] hotel rooms.

[01:27:27] What?

[01:27:28] Well, nothing.

[01:27:29] So what do you got?

[01:27:30] Buck Tooth.

[01:27:31] Wow, we're at 19 minutes.

[01:27:32] This is great.

[01:27:33] I know.

[01:27:34] One of these days we have to do an all-out take episode.

[01:27:36] That would be awesome.

[01:27:37] I'm up for that.

[01:27:38] I'm sure the Patreon's would love it.

[01:27:39] I think we can do that.

[01:27:40] I think we can do that.

[01:27:41] Yeah.

[01:27:42] I think we can do that.

[01:27:43] I think we can do that.

[01:27:44] I'm up for that.

[01:27:45] I'm sure the Patreon's would love it.

[01:27:47] Sometimes our listeners would listen to this and wonder what the hell was going on.

[01:27:50] Sometimes our regular episodes are all outtakes the entire thing.

[01:27:54] Just saying.

[01:27:55] Yeah, that's a fair factor.

[01:27:57] I don't know until it's gone.

[01:27:58] I'll call it out right now.

[01:27:59] I call it out right now next time.

[01:28:01] All outtake.

[01:28:02] Oh!

[01:28:03] I had something already prepped for the next time though.

[01:28:05] Oh.

[01:28:06] Come on in there.

[01:28:07] Let me look at that.

[01:28:08] Let me see how it's about to go out.

[01:28:09] I'm glad you prepared yourself and read the copy I had a time.

[01:28:13] I'm not going to read that part.

[01:28:14] I know, but still it would be nice that you'd be reading along the same page.

[01:28:18] I'm not the one who reads that part.

[01:28:23] He's looking at it and he's making a face, ladies and gentlemen.

[01:28:26] He's always grittin' his teeth now.

[01:28:29] He just passed out.

[01:28:30] No!

[01:28:31] I know.

[01:28:32] I'm going to call an audible and we get to that.

[01:28:35] Oh, okay.

[01:28:36] It's calling an audible.

[01:28:38] Okay then.

[01:28:39] So for Patreons be prepared, we're going to go all outtake next episode.

[01:28:47] The house, the album cover going to look like.

[01:28:49] That's not my problem.

[01:28:52] You ready there?

[01:28:53] Ready there, Port Fried?

[01:28:54] All right.

[01:28:55] Port Fried.

[01:28:56] No doubt.

[01:28:57] Read the copy.

[01:28:59] Speaking of Muppets.

[01:29:04] Trekkie is proud of that.

[01:29:07] I'm just kidding.

[01:29:08] We'll do it.

[01:29:09] Wait, I want to do this like Mike Hadad.

[01:29:12] Trekkie is proud to have fansets as our presenting spulet 2.

[01:29:16] Sorry Mike Hadad is a meteorologist here in Manchester, Hampshire.

[01:29:19] Yes.

[01:29:20] Yes.

[01:29:21] It sounds like Bullwinkle.

[01:29:22] I told you I said I'm going to try to do the beginning of the podcast with Cirmeth

[01:29:25] Afrog but I'm probably not going to be able to because I'll be under pressure and I'll

[01:29:29] screw it up so I'm not going to do it.

[01:29:30] So you're welcome.

[01:29:31] That's it.

[01:29:32] Yeah.

[01:29:33] 21 minutes.