022 - The Collector's Corner: Science Division, Part Deux

[00:00:02] Do you know what you get if you eat a treble too much? A fat treble. Hello and welcome to The Collectors Corner, a supplementary edition of The Divine Treasury. My name is Mike Bovia and on The Collectors Corner we get to know people behind the things

[00:00:48] we like to collect or those who assist us with our collecting. We've talked to licensees and manufacturers and authors and we're working on getting some authenticators and grading experts, all things that are necessary for collectors.

[00:01:05] Now I can't do this alone and if an authenticator were to go to my co-host Man Cave they would have quite the lengthy stay in front of them. With that I welcome my co-host, the man, the myth, the collecting legend, Jamie Rogers. Jamie how's it going?

[00:01:26] Oh it's going fantastic. Obviously the Woman of Trek collection has just been released so now I'm pasting through eBay to find some more things that I got to add to this Man Cave. So as is the norm while we're recording, Jamie will be making purchases I'm sure.

[00:01:49] So we are not by ourselves this evening as is typical on The Collectors Corner. We have a licensee with us. We have Kalea and Jay from Science Division so we're going to welcome them with open arms because they have new products to talk to us about.

[00:02:07] So Jay, Kalea how are you guys doing today? Hey thank you for having us on. It's a real honor to be here. Well I don't know about honor. It is for me. Okay. Yeah we are thrilled to be here.

[00:02:24] It's always great time talking with the two of you. Yeah we love having you and you know I always kind of will secretly joke about every time I talk about something involving a gorn I always try to give a shout out to my favorite gorn fan Kalea.

[00:02:41] So if you're listening to most of the episodes always catch my gorn references to Kalea. Speaking of which have you gotten the Funko Pop and the Migo Gorns? Yes well Jamie is the reason I found finally the Funko Pop Gorn because I had seen

[00:03:01] all of the information that these had all come out and I was looking for it and I didn't realize it was a target exclusive so I was all over the Funko Pop site going it's not here

[00:03:10] where's the gorn though it's the one I want and then I think I got tagged in a tweet by Jamie that had all the information for how to get it. I was like I'm going there right now. Oh that's awesome.

[00:03:22] You know what I was just thinking about Mike can you imagine if they come out with an X06 oh my god. Can you imagine? How would how would they do that then because wasn't the gorn supposed to be like nine feet tall?

[00:03:43] So if you're doing a one-sixth figure of that that's going to be a pretty big figure. Did you watch did you watch the show Mike? Well I know I know well okay in arena he wasn't when you go to Enterprise Enterprise doesn't count.

[00:04:01] Not the show I'm not knocking the entire show the gorn on Enterprise doesn't count. They were too excited about the new CGI that they just figured out now too much. I'm looking forward to seeing if they include a gorn in Discovery now that they're bringing all

[00:04:20] of these traditional aliens back to the future time that they're in. I'd like to see a gorn. And I think that they would probably do it not just CGI like they'd have some CGI to it but I have a feeling that

[00:04:44] they would probably do it right it seems especially since you know it's been what 20 years just about since Enterprise tried it so it's time. Well they have such a talented makeup team on that show that you would think they would be

[00:04:59] able to come up with something so much better with an actual practical makeup effect than you're ever going to get out of the computer on that. I just think of Saru right but as a gorn like imagine that level of makeup on someone it would be unbelievable.

[00:05:16] I'm thinking along the lines of the Zaheans the ones Poe and how that was 100% person but they added CGI in for her blinking because she would blink up and down and sideways.

[00:05:32] So you know I can see them doing a meld of the two if they had a gorn. Yeah I mean they've come so far with makeup I mean I I don't want to say I'm embarrassed to say this but like I'm even impressed with the

[00:05:47] makeup on a show like This Is Us. I don't know if you guys watch that show but like just what's her name's character? The mother like seeing her older like what they can do with like aging makeup and I mean it's

[00:06:00] just it's amazing and I'd love to just see even I'd love to see them flesh out more of like the gorn race and the ships and all that other stuff because you know that original series

[00:06:14] episode it's like you didn't you never even saw what the ship looked like you never you never learned anymore about the actual race I just think would be cool to kind of

[00:06:23] flesh that out a little bit more like in a discovery or a strange new world you know. But we get to see a gorn wedding on lower decks. I was going to say we know they have weddings.

[00:06:33] It's like double the amount of canon that there is on gorns that one episode. Strange New Worlds would be tricky though because it would be the same problem from a plot point Enterprise had which is that they hadn't met them yet.

[00:06:46] I think Enterprise does that a couple times because there's a Ferengi episode too and they kind of get away with it because they never heard what the race was or identified

[00:06:54] what the race was I think in that they did some stuff to try to get away with it. I think the Borg, the Ferengi like yeah but if you see it on Strange New Worlds like

[00:07:04] Pike is probably going to have documented that he saw the gorn and then it should be in the database by the time that Kirk would have interacted with them and you can't really claim

[00:07:14] you didn't know you were in their space if you've met them on Strange New Worlds. Good point. Yeah thanks for thanks for bursting my bubble Kalea. I'm sorry I want to see it too but I just thought this back and forth.

[00:07:26] But discovery would be an option because they're in the future they can meet whoever they want now. Or the mirror universe like they did Enterprise. Mirror Gorn. We could have it on Prodigy too. Gorn. Oh man. This is true.

[00:07:40] Jamie this is what happens when we get actual geeks on with us. Yeah I know. You know we can. You thought we were here to talk about triplets but I could do a gorn thing all night long. Well so you got the Funko did you get the Migo?

[00:07:58] I have a Migo but I got it a while ago so if there's a new one out then I don't have that yet. So there's a new we saw the larger one in Vegas right Jamie is it the 14 inch one? Yeah we did.

[00:08:13] Oh so now I know about it I'm gonna have to go put it on the Christmas list. I'm not sure if it's been released. There's a big one in yeah there's a big one and a small one. Well not small but there's a regular sized one.

[00:08:27] And then an oversized one. Yep. But we saw them in Vegas really good detail on them. You know it's not it's not the land of the lost gorn from from the 70s. Oh no I saw if I come across one of those I'm gonna get it.

[00:08:45] Oh we have our sources I bet we could find one. That's one of those things like if you have the opportunity to add it to your collection you just do it. Yes land of the lost gorn in Klingon drag.

[00:09:01] All right well unfortunately we're not here to just chatter about gorn unless that is the new product line coming from Science Division but we do know that they do have two products

[00:09:14] that they recently announced at Star Trek Day so we're gonna turn the floor over to Jay and Kay Lee to talk about their two new Science Division products. Well we have been hearing from folks for pretty much ever since the tan ones came out that they

[00:09:32] wanted more colors people have been wanting more color options and we've wanted to do more colors as well it just took a while to kind of get through you know we did our presale and then

[00:09:43] by the time our inventory arrived it was COVID and all of our conventions were canceled and so we immediately had to transition into it what do we do as an entirely online retail business and

[00:09:55] so we kind of took some time to work through all of that before we were in a place to do anything about additional colors and we are thrilled that we were able to extend the license a year kind of

[00:10:07] work through that development process and we now have two additional triples. So the first is the same size functional and everything is the original triple but it has a variegated silver kind of gray color to it and so neither of these are actually 100 what you saw on

[00:10:25] screen but each one is inspired so the tan one was inspired by one of the triples on the TOS episode and trouble with triples there's this brown kind of tanny triple and that's the color we went

[00:10:37] with but it looked it's the ratty like curly hair one that is on there and we chose not to go that direction because we wanted them to be really soft and really wonderful and so this silver triples

[00:10:48] are kind of inspired that there's a silver gray triple on deep space nine but it has a really kind of flat one tone kind of fur and we wanted to do something for our product that was really

[00:11:01] pretty to look at so this we have this kind of variegated silver gray that's going on but this is what we kind of privately think of as are inspired by deep space nine triple that's cool

[00:11:15] I was I was wondering about that as you started saying this one was inspired by trouble with triples I was like ooh then maybe the next one is inspired by trials and tribulations so

[00:11:27] my yeah I was I was gonna say when is my purple triple coming out that's what I want to know I told you I wanted a purple one well we talked about doing pink ones from the animated series

[00:11:44] and we didn't end up doing that but we did end up making one that is sized more like what you would find in the animated series so our special edition giant silver triple is 14 inches across

[00:11:59] it's incredibly large like what would happen if a triple that had been fed serenal jones serum got fed quadratrata kaley because doctor so there's we always talk about people like well

[00:12:12] can I feed my triple and really well it depends on whose triple you have because if you have an original triple don't feed it if you have a serenal jones modified triple don't feed it and then

[00:12:23] phasor it if you have a bones modified triple then you're good because his serum works well what do you get when you feed a triple too much a fat triple so that means that you have

[00:12:38] now covered three portions of the triple sphere you've got trouble with triples more triples more troubles and trials and tribulations so does that mean that the next model that you'll have coming out is going to come with a vacuum to be able to suck them up

[00:12:56] so funny I love that's my favorite part of that short track is the person just walking around vacuuming up triples so here's the thing like that would actually be a useful thing in our house like there's very few places that you actually need a dedicated triple vacuum

[00:13:15] I think we would actually get some daily use here they are kind of everywhere oh man just just don't just don't shave them and eat them like a scallop no we don't recommend attempting to consume our triples so they will not taste like scallops

[00:13:39] so you mentioned people were asking about different colors so what went into the thought process on the larger triple um well I mean part of it is at some point I would love to do a giant

[00:13:53] pink triple um but we were already doing something that is you know special edition it's a more expensive product so the pink triples I don't know if they're as popular with folks as some of the other

[00:14:06] more standard colors we wanted to kind of go through the standard colors first and then there's also like they use the same fur so from a manufacturing product development point of view as well for us as we're still kind of getting started going through development processes

[00:14:20] they're expensive they take time this allows it allowed us to do product testing for one kind of fabric to make sure that it's safe and kind of streamlined that process because things are

[00:14:30] taking a long time right now they're hard to get there are you know chain supply chain issues the fabric was one of those things so trying to get two colors made at the same time it's

[00:14:44] more expensive because you're having to order minimum quantities of fabric it takes longer the fabric is on short supply because like of the supply chain issues you have to go through more testing because you have to test all of that fabric so it would have delayed us getting

[00:14:57] more colors to people by trying to do more at the same time that's that's interesting COVID brings us larger triples instead of multicolors but you know I definitely I definitely see your point there you know you especially from a manufacturing point of view you know you've

[00:15:16] got a I'm sure to get the best prices for yourself for manufacturing it means you got to order more and you got to order something that's going to appeal to the masses to begin

[00:15:28] with so yeah that totally makes sense I mean plus they look good I mean well it's part of it is getting not just the prices for us but it's the prices for our customers and the quality of product

[00:15:40] for our customers if we pick one fur and really concentrate on that being a good faux fur then that's going to be better than us trying to rush through two different faux furs that we don't have the time to really perfect

[00:15:55] well the better price you get the better the easier it is to pass it on to the customers too so makes a whole lot of sense yeah I think I think that's real cool having the big

[00:16:07] triple so I apologize I have not had the chance to do my research so this question comes out of sheer ignorance so is the is the 14 inch triple also interactive like the

[00:16:23] regular size triples yeah so all all three of our triples at this point I'll interact the same way they'll essentially all have the same type of electronics box inside it's essentially the two

[00:16:36] different furs and colors is just an aesthetic kind of thing so did you have to put together a larger electronics for the 14 inch or does it do the same job like as far as the as far as the

[00:16:50] vibrating so we actually have an update coming out soon that will allow you to change how much vibration your triple can have so that will be able to allow the customer to kind of tailor their

[00:17:10] triple and the size of triple that they have with the vibration pattern they like yeah as part of the development process you know we reached out to our manufacturer and said hey we're

[00:17:20] thinking about doing this giant triple here are the rough dimensions can you put a sample together and send it to us because that was a question that we had you know if we make something that's big

[00:17:30] and we put the same box in it because that's what we've developed then will it work is it going to be worth it for the customer so it came and we took one of our boxes that we

[00:17:40] one of our boxes that we already had and we put it inside it it actually really does so when you're holding it it works pretty much the same because the box is still sitting towards

[00:17:49] the bottom of the triple so you're still feeling it vibrate you can still hear it as loud as it needs to be and we already have the setting in the app where you can adjust the volume so somebody

[00:17:59] wants it to be a little bit louder because it's larger they can do that but it also we realized that there had been a code built into the original electronics box for testing purposes which allowed you to change the vibration setting which is kind of how we set

[00:18:15] the motor speeds that got written into the code and all of that and we realized that we could create a slider in the app which accessed that code that was already in there so that people

[00:18:24] can now set or will be able to once the update comes out set how much they want their triple to vibrate when it rolls man code and sliders and apps I mean this is like way beyond my

[00:18:40] comprehension of how to do things I'm fortunate I know how to press record on zoom for us to be able to do this it was pretty far beyond us when we started overall like with the whole project

[00:18:54] everything was learning one step at a time but I've got to imagine though with the background that the two of you guys have in theater especially jay with lighting and everything you know it's just

[00:19:07] a different segment of technology that you now have to apply because I would imagine there the way things have gone over the years lighting must be all done computer wise now being able to

[00:19:23] set up some kind of um digital like a digital yeah yeah yeah um I mean it's all I mean I think the biggest thing is it's a problem solving mindset you know that's what I enjoy about theater in a

[00:19:39] lot of ways you know every every day is a different problem and a different you know you saw the same tools but how are you going to figure out how to light this show in this way um and I think

[00:19:50] some of those skills certainly did come over uh to our our tribal business as well um you know and especially in the initial prototyping you know most of that Kalea learned how to do all that

[00:20:01] coding and stuff and it's the same kind of thing it's we wanted to figure it out there were ways to do that with tutorials online and we would just kind of figure it out one step at a time

[00:20:12] so in that way I think it is a very similar mindset but in terms of skill set uh you know there's not a whole lot in the lighting world that I needed per se in the day-to-day tribal business

[00:20:24] but that being said now we're doing photographs for all of Halloween or all of October and we're lighting them and we're using our lighting equipment and a lighting console uh like we do at

[00:20:36] our quote unquote day jobs um to make tribal content so you know there is definitely overlap in that way too this is what happens when you have two lighting designers living in one house

[00:20:47] so half the house is full of tribbles and the other half of the house is full of lighting consoles and equipment and you have to keep the two separate yeah yeah like my my office in my basement

[00:21:01] where I'm at right now like half of it is Star Trek and half of it is work and every now and then one encroaches on the other and it's normally the Star Trek stuff that's encroaching on the

[00:21:14] work side but um so out of curiosity um and I think we've asked this question before of some of the licensees but do you do you have to take uh so the the color change with the

[00:21:30] tribal not a big not a big change that you might have to run by CBS but the size change is that something that needed to be passed through them before you could even take it to take it to manufacturing

[00:21:45] both both the size and the color yes so we're fortunate that the language in the contract is vague enough that it says you know tribbles are licensed to us or app-enabled tribbles are

[00:21:56] licensed to us so it wasn't a contract modification but you do submit it as a new product and a new skew in their tracking system and go through the entire uh approvals process from hey we have this

[00:22:09] idea to hey here's a sample of this idea to hey here's the final product production line sample from the manufacturer and you have you go through all of those processes for everything that you

[00:22:20] bring out and the update to the app got reviewed as well I should add we are not currently the programmers for the app we do have somebody now that is more skilled at that kind of thing

[00:22:30] than us and so there's a company called Petra Kord and they are our app developers so we now come up with the ideas they go through the process of creating the code we do testing and make sure

[00:22:43] that it works the way we want it to work for our users um and then it gets released to the app store I was gonna say at least you don't need actor approval for the tribbles oh right you know

[00:22:57] like like they do with the figurines and all that other stuff right that is a step that we don't have to go through uh and from what I hear we're fortunate because I think some performers get

[00:23:07] back right away and other performers like everyone else have busy lives and I think you can kind of get stuck waiting for that approval so luckily we don't have a pile of tribbles that we

[00:23:16] have to get to sign off on everything what's in the future like what are you guys looking to try to do to expand your business going forward any other things on the horizon maybe like a gorn skinned colored tribble or you know I don't know how a scaly

[00:23:37] triple would work but now I'm in sheet you know like like reptilian I don't know why it would be reptilian skinned I mean maybe horns on it would be eyeballs I don't know

[00:23:50] you don't like the gorn Mike come on oh no no no I know I know it having horns on it though kind of kind of eliminates you being able to cuddle with it yeah you could come up with some new

[00:24:04] coding for the app so it talks like a gorn you know what I mean so like when it actually attacks listen I got all these great ideas you're joking but we did at one point talk about like what

[00:24:16] have we just made a gorn that would hiss at you and do the captain and like this or something at one point that like it's not that yeah it has been discussed yeah

[00:24:27] I love that I love that I think at this point we're kind of we're just starting out on the second run of tribbles and so there's still kind of a lot of wait and see how things go

[00:24:40] down the line at some point I would still be interested in maybe making a pink animated series tribble because we have hit so far on things kind of inspired by real colors that appeared on the

[00:24:53] screen I don't know if we'll get into that or not or if we'll try to do something else or if at some point we'll go it's just the two of us and we had a great run everybody enjoy your

[00:25:04] tribbles so we just it's kind of a one step at a time thing I think like for a lot of people right now right it's kind of let's see what life has in store for us at the moment we went through a

[00:25:17] lot of changes in what we thought we were going to be able to do during COVID and for a while it looked like we weren't going to sell the ones that we had and then you know we just kind of

[00:25:28] really I know everybody hates that word pivoted but worked really hard at making our online presence something that was working for us a little bit better and that's what just now has

[00:25:39] gotten us to this point where we can do the silver triples so now it's kind of like let's see how these go and what we're able to do coming out of that we're excited to get

[00:25:49] have people get their hands on them you know we really really enjoy the silver triples a lot but we have a lot of them coming so you know we're in the near future we're going to be

[00:26:01] selling the silver ones for a bit but you know coming down the road who knows seems like a long way off but probably before we know it. The giant ones are kind of flying though

[00:26:15] I've been really surprised how many orders for the giant ones we've been getting and part of it maybe is the adoption certificate because they each come with a number sign adoption certificate and there are only 300 and once those are gone they're gone and we won't do them again

[00:26:30] out of respect for the folks you know bought them this time around so those are the ones that I think people are interested in right now. Are you seeing like a lot of repeat customers

[00:26:41] for the ones buying the giant or are you seeing more like new customers getting the giant ones? I think for the moment it's been a lot of repeat customers mostly because people are

[00:26:53] finding out you know from our mailing list it's people are from our social media accounts the people that already know about us whereas a lot now our triples have been listed or you know they're in

[00:27:03] different places we have a couple of wholesale customers and stuff like that so the brown ones sell in places other than just on our website but when we then reach out to people it's

[00:27:13] kind of just the people who already know we exist that are customers from our website that find out at first that this is a product and then as people get them in their hands folks

[00:27:22] see them because other people have them then we start to sell the people that are not repeat customers. So I saw on social media that not too long ago you were at a convention in New Hampshire is that

[00:27:39] correct? It is yeah we were at the Granite State Comic Con. Nice so does that mean that conventions are coming back to the science division future? To a certain extent that was the first

[00:27:55] convention we have ever been at with actual inventory it's the first time we were able to talk to people go we made this incredible thing and would you like to take one with you

[00:28:05] because prior to that it had just been pre-sales and it's kind of difficult to convince somebody like don't worry you know they're actually coming please give us your money even though we're this brand new small business that's just the two of us like don't worry about it it's

[00:28:18] going to be fine and it was it was fine we did get them here we did get them to everybody that was no problem but it's a lot more fun to see people get excited about it and then see somebody walk

[00:28:29] away with it and see them walk around the room and showing people. It was so exciting to see someone like come by two hours later just be walking around the convention hall holding

[00:28:40] one of our triples it was very surreal but it was so much fun. That's awesome that's awesome because it does seem like unless something crazy happens again with COVID that conventions are back

[00:28:56] on as long as you're protected the right way so hey we're looking forward to seeing you at a convention I know that. We're hoping that we'll be at the Chicago convention we're kind of working out

[00:29:08] all of the details I mean Jay and I both have jobs that aren't selling triples so middle of April Jay teaches lighting design I work freelance but I do lighting design for a lot

[00:29:20] of schools so that's a tough time to be trying to get away and get take inventory with us and all of that but we're working on making it hopefully work out. We do have one coming up right after

[00:29:35] Thanksgiving. Over the Black Friday weekend there is an event in Massachusetts the northeast Comic Con I think is what it is. Nice. Yeah so we'll be there with them it's over I think it's Black

[00:29:51] Friday and the Saturday and Sunday after that. Well you know I'm kind of breaking up here and there but I could have sworn I heard you say you're announcing the purple trible in Chicago

[00:30:04] I get that correct. You know I will make you a purple triple. I was gonna say I'll probably do that for you. Your wife has a hairdressing background you could buy a silver one

[00:30:17] and she could dye it purple for you. Oh boy. That's the big dollar ideas right there. Nice. Yeah I say make it like animal from the muppets like an animal treble with an animal face on it

[00:30:33] and I could put it right on my drum set. You know I'm just imagining a triple salon now all the little dryers that will pop down over the tribbles and you pull it back up and it's a different

[00:30:44] color. Oh well that right there sounds like an advertising piece for the website. Could do some perms. Triple berms. Yep. All right so we've been talking about the silver tribbles and the 14 inch tribbles and pre-orders so do we have a determined date of arrival we'll say for tribbles?

[00:31:08] They are actually on their way here right now. We've been told hopefully if things go according to plan which they almost never do when you're talking about importing that they'll be in our hands sometime in November we are not making any promises to folks giving how crazy holiday

[00:31:28] shipping is so we're not making it promises that they'll be available for Christmas but it doesn't mean we aren't trying. Yes I had an item that I ordered that sat in China for a month

[00:31:42] before it actually and once it got moving it was like three days but it literally sat in China for a month before there was any movement on it so yeah international shipping is a bear

[00:31:56] right now so hopefully that gets better but I don't see that happening anytime soon. So let's review so the silver the silver triple will be the same price as the brown triple. It'll be the standard price of the brown so the silver ones are 74. Correct that's

[00:32:19] as I was going to say so 74 the brown are at 69 right now on sale and what is going to be the cost on the 14 inch tribbles? So the 14 inch tribbles are 120. Awesome awesome so for our

[00:32:37] listeners is there any discount codes that can be put in effect on either of these? Yes so the special edition tribbles are not going to be on sale they're going to be at that $120 price partially because we have to ship them to you and they're very large

[00:32:57] but you can use code divine. JV is holding a brown triple in a gorn right now. Sorry you can use code divine on our website and that will get you $5 off on both the

[00:33:12] silver triple and the standard brown triple and if you want a brown triple I would get one sooner rather than later because we are running out. That is always a good thing when you are the when you are the manufacturer well you're not the manufacturer but the distributor

[00:33:30] and licensee it's always nice to hear sold out so thank you so much Gailie and Jay for coming on and dealing with Jamie and the videos that he's putting up right now.

[00:33:47] We appreciate it as always you know we Jamie and I talk about this all the time we're happy to be able to have you guys sponsoring the show and you know whatever we can do to further assist you

[00:34:04] we would love to do that so I'm sure any time you have new products or if you just want to come on and chat we'd love to have you on. Yeah you guys are two of my favorite people on the on the planet

[00:34:18] love talking to you guys and you know love your product obviously as you can see I'm petting it gently petting it gently but I don't want to get excited. Well thank you guys so much for having us on it's always wonderful and it was a pleasure.

[00:34:35] Yeah thank you for having us back I did forget to mention one thing which is that while the triples are still a pre-order the standard size silver ones also have adoption certificates so that's something we do with all of our pre-ordered triples we did it with the

[00:34:49] tan ones so the standard size ones have adoption certificates but only as long as they're a pre-order those will also be signed and numbered and then there's a special edition certificate that we'll ship with all of the special edition large triples. Nice well they are Jay and Kay

[00:35:07] Leah from Science Division and as they mentioned they will be at Northeast Comic Con in Boxborough Massachusetts the Boxborough Regency Hotel and Conference Center November 26th through the 28th

[00:35:21] so if you are in or around the New England area check them out and get yourself a triple I mean if you're a Star Trek fan and you don't have a triple you might end up losing your fan card.

[00:35:34] And this just in you can also catch them at the Duncan Donut Center and Rhode Island Convention Center at Rhode Island Comic Con November 5th through the 7th so check them out there as well.

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