Star Trek Section 31: Red Carpet + Reviews

[00:00:30] Hey everybody, welcome to the SyFy Sistas Podcast where we give you our point of view. I'm your host Tamia Harper and today I'm joined by my sisters Yvette Blackman Tom, Sabrina Wood, and Fran T. As always, what's happening? What's happening Fran is welcome to season five of the SyFy Sistas. Yay!

[00:01:00] It's so good to be back with everybody. How's everybody doing? Good. All right, all right. Doing good. Me too. I'm ready to go. We've got a great show for you today. I always say that and I always mean it. Today, this should be a fun discussion. We have, we're going to talk about Section 31.

[00:01:27] We're going to talk about Section 31 as we know Section 31 and we're going to talk about Section 31 as it was introduced to us in the new movie Section 31 by Paramount Plus. So, we have thoughts. We have a lot of thoughts. Everybody's containing themselves. I'm going to kick it though to our resident film director. Company William Cinefile delta inverse.

[00:01:54] Finaman retrospectively. Car alma maven, our resident film Cinefile knowledge archive. That's what it is. That's the word. I was like a chstoned like archivist. The cinnamon cinephile. Film Francisco I know our memory alpha as well. Apparently Tamiya's memory alpha is not working at all because I don't, I don't know from words. Our, our, our resident cinnamon cinephile Sabrina Wood. to lead us in this discussion.

[00:02:24] Come on, movie maven. Okay, all right. So it's kicked over to me because we are talking about a film and not a series, which is the first thing we need to talk about a little bit because as many of you know, maybe some of you don't, Section 31, this newest film from Paramount about the Star Trek franchise, is a film which was originally envisioned as a series. And when we go through this review right now,

[00:02:54] I personally am going to pull out every episode that got scrunched into this movie. So just bear with me. I'm going to name it for you. I'm going to name them. And we can all get together and actually give them a title because I got them. But whenever you want to review a film, the first thing you want to do is look at it from a couple of different areas. That's what I do when I do Sin Sin Goes Sci-Fi. One of the things you want to look at is whether the concept is strong. Is this a high concept, low concept,

[00:03:23] or is it the concept that you thought it was going to be? Now, the concept we have here is that it is Section 31. For those of us that are true blue and know our Trek, we know what those words mean. And we're going to talk about that in a little bit. Whether this actually hit the concept. Second thing you look at is whether it's a good story. Do you have a plot? And with most Star Treks, even a 60-minute episode,

[00:03:52] you may have an A plot and a B plot. Sometimes you even get a C plot. So we're going to look in and see whether the plot lines of this film went anywhere and how many of them were there. Then the thing that's really going to hold us together are your characters, right? That is what we live for in Star Trek. We all know, you know, TOS was living with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Every single one of the franchises had their triple people or their doubles or whoever,

[00:04:22] but it was always the characters that breathed life into a Trek franchise. So we're going to go through and see if these characters hold up. And then, of course, it's the dialogue. For most of us, everyone can quote a famous line from any Star Trek episode. You can know if your friend is really a Trekkie because you can say a couple of words and you know what you're talking about. So do we have that richness of dialogue in this film? And so that's going to be our criteria. We're going to take it apart that way.

[00:04:50] And so let's start, first of all, with the concept. So did the film nail the concept of Section 31? I'm going to go to Tamiya first. This is the very thing. You could see me. I was bursting at the seams every time you mentioned this. That's why I went there. I, like, this is the very thing that is my, the heart of the issue with me with this film. If it had been named, and it should have been named,

[00:05:20] something like Star Trek Black Ops or something like that, and not Section 31, then I would have had much fewer problems with this movie than what I had. Because, you know, if you are a Star Trek fan, you know that Section 31 is akin to your secret organization, right? That all shadow, all governments have a shadow organization that they use to operate to do things

[00:05:50] that are outside of the rules of their established government, right? All of them do. And, like, and when we, as Star Trek fans, like, we've watched Section 31 in Enterprise and Deep Space Nine, and we've gotten Cloak and Dagger, right? Which is what it is. It's a spy game. Section 31 is spies. They are the Tal Shiar. They are the Obsidian Order.

[00:06:16] They are, like, our CIA, you know, for Starfleet. Starfleet. And so you want, you get Cloak and Dagger stories, and you want Cloak and Dagger stories. This is not a Cloak and Dagger story by any stretch of the imagination. This is a shoot-em-up, blow-em-up action-adventure film. This is the A-team. It is. It's the A-team in space. No joke. I swear to God. You could have had, you even had one who could have been in DC Cab. I'm sorry. One of them could have been. He could have been in DC Cab.

[00:06:46] You know, so, like, this is not. So, name it something different. Don't call it. Shots have been fired. Don't call it. Shots have been fired. I'm firing. I'm shooting straight from the hip. I cannot. I mean, I. My. Because it is named Section 31, you think you're going to get one thing.

[00:07:11] I don't think there's so much inherently wrong with the product that was delivered. But it is not. It is not. I will say this on the record. It is not Section 31. And there was very little Starfleet in there. So, you know, words were used. Like sugar on cereal, maybe? I don't know.

[00:07:41] You know, like. It was not substantive in that way. So, anyway. I would have called it something different. I never would have titled it Section 31. If it was titled something else and I did not have the expectations of getting a Section 31 story, then this would be a whole different conversation that we're about to have. All right. So, having said that, let's go. Let's back up a little. And Yvette, why don't you give us a little bit about what is Section 31?

[00:08:11] So, I mean, here's the. To me, it's saying, like, it isn't this film. It isn't in this film. And I'm saying 18 friends got a face going like, mm-hmm. And so, what was Section 31 as far as we know it? And what does it say, you know, in memory else? What I want to tell you is what I have is what Ira Stephen Bear, the reason why he created it.

[00:08:34] He says Section 31 was created from his desire to look into the darker aspects of the supposed utopia created by Gene Roddenberry. Bear was inspired by a line of dialogue he had written in The Maquis Part 2, where Commander Siskel remarks that it's easy to be a saint in paradise. Bear remarked, why is Earth a paradise in the 24th century?

[00:09:01] Well, maybe it's because there's someone watching over it and doing the nasty stuff that no one wants to think about. Of course, it's a very complicated issue. Excuse me. Extremely complicated. And those kind of covert operations usually go wrong. Bear further commented, we need to dig deeper and find out what, indeed, life is like in the 24th century.

[00:09:28] It is this paradise or are there, as Harold Pinter said, weasels under the coffee table. So just like what Tamia said, it's cloak and dagger. It's spy games. You know, it's Bond. You know, it's just like Julian was playing in the holodeck. It's Sloan. You know, it's who's the guy from Harris from Enterprise.

[00:09:58] You know, that's what it is. It is not what we were. It's not that. And that other thing. No, I just want to make sure. And one thing about it is that after it was done, you wouldn't have known they were there. Right. Right. Right. You wouldn't have known. They had come and gone. Yeah. But these people busting through bars. I'm like, oh, my God. With an entire audience of people applauding. Yeah. What do you think, Fran?

[00:10:28] Oh, you know. That said it all. Yeah. Well, you know, I just look at it like Yvette said. It was supposed to be covert and not overt. Like Starfleet is. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It was so overt. It was so over the top.

[00:10:51] And, you know, and too much over the top for Section 31, as we know Section 31. So I don't, you know, maybe it was the time that they put her in. I don't know. You know. I like the movie. And I agree with Tamia. I like the movie for what it was. But I didn't get a Section 31 feel out of it. Mm-hmm.

[00:11:30] Mm-hmm. But that's all it was mentioned. It was mentioned. Like, Starfleet. Mm-hmm. Mentioned. Yeah. I didn't get a... It's not even Starfleet. I didn't get a Star Trek feel. Well, I don't think that there was a moral dilemma. There was no philosophical conundrum that we were trying to solve. You know. So we're moving into story now. Wait. Okay. Wait a minute. Hold up. But back up.

[00:11:56] Sabrina, your take on the... Yeah. Oh, I am going to be like the fourth vote for yes. It was missing that familiarity that those of us that know Section 31 were looking for.

[00:12:15] And like you just touched on, Tamir, one of the key things with Section 31 is that they're doing the job that you may think has some moral grayness to it. There was nothing gray about this. You had to go find this thing and that was it. So we're going to get into the story in a minute. But this was like, I totally agree with you. You know, yeah, we got to get this done. Even though we were a little skimpy on the facts.

[00:12:42] But there wasn't anybody saying, but wait, why are we doing it this way? There wasn't any sort of a thing where, okay, so the only reason why you need Section 31 is because you can't go over that line? Like, what is this? Right. And which line? Like the Texas Rangers? Like, what are you talking? So, you know, come on. You got to give me a bigger reason than that to call in Section 31. Why are you bringing in the big guns? It's because you got a border dispute. Nah.

[00:13:10] So I wasn't buying that. Mm-hmm. You get that. So anyway, so we all agree that the concept was kind of off the mark. Yes. Yes? Yes. Let's go into the plot, the story. So now, anytime we look at Section 31 coming out of the franchises that we mentioned already, the first thing I always think of is peeling an onion. Mm-hmm. Yes. Because you never know what the real story is.

[00:13:40] Yes. Section 31 will tell you they're coming after this and this, but, you know, they already made a bag deal. They're talking to the other guy. They got somebody else involved. Right. You know, they're bringing in the other boys. It's like, you don't know who you're talking to. You don't even know if you're really the agent. They got you thinking you're supposed to be doing something. So, you don't really know your parents. Right? Right?

[00:14:08] So, in this story, I thought the plot was elementary. That was the word I had next to it. It was like, there's a bomb. There's a thing. There's a MacGuffin. Right. We got to go get it, and we don't know what it is, nor did we know why there was only 24 hours left. Now, that might have been a little Section 31-ers because you didn't know why there was 24 hours, but you were just – I said, what is this?

[00:14:37] Supermarket sweep? It's like 24 on the clock. Boom. Why? Why? Why? Why? So, you never got a sense of that until later there was that onion got peeled a little bit. But I thought the story was really basic, and I was a little disappointed with how straightforward the story was when usually Section 31 is a maze kind of a story. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a nice way of putting it. It is. Yeah. You know, a little disappointed. I didn't use it.

[00:15:06] I barely used a brain cell on this one, you know, and that is disappointing. I had really nothing to chew on, you know. One of the things that makes these great areas stories so compelling is that they give you something for your brain to gnaw on, you know. I mean, not just Section 31. What's the one in the Pale Moonlight? You know, with Sisko? Yeah.

[00:15:36] And Garrick, you know, that, you're asking yourself, like, you know, it's giving you something like, I have a dilemma. I have a situation that I need to solve, and there's no right answer. Right. That's a Section 31 story. That's a Section 31 story. Right. Exactly. And you're going to have to cross a line to get this done. Mm-hmm. And let's not forget, too, Vix.

[00:16:04] I'm going to smack you and really forget two Vix right now. I mean, what is two Vix? You mean he gave you something to chew on? To think about. Yes. But, I mean, yes. To think about. Yes. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. To think about. But, you know, you're sitting there looking at him like, oh, my God. It gave you something to think about, but it's not like a Section 31 story. It's not a cloak and dagger story. But I was just, no, it's not.

[00:16:30] But I was just saying something that gray, because we always, you know, Section 31 is always gray. For some people, two Vix is black and white, and for a lot of people, it's gray. So, that's what I was connecting it to with that way to sit there and really think about something. And I didn't like, and I agree with you.

[00:16:52] I didn't have, I wasn't really, I didn't really have to think this while looking at this. I didn't have to think. Because you knew what was going to happen next. Right, right. You knew the whole story. Like, I mean, it was pretty predictable. But that's okay for some, I mean, like, if that, some films are that, and they're just diversion. And they're just fun, you know?

[00:17:20] And, like, so I would be, again, I go back to my central thesis is that I would be okay with that if I was given that and not given a title of Section 31. And I expect something different. This is my, the heart of my critique, you know, in this movie is not the performances and studies, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, it is the fact that, like, you cannot call something one thing and then it's not the thing.

[00:17:48] That is an established thing. It is not like you are creating something new in this franchise. Section 31 is an established concept upon which many stories have been built. Many. Right? And you cannot just call something like that and it's not it. I mean, I'm so, I'm verklempt over it. You know?

[00:18:16] I mean, you know, because there were other options that could, all you had to do was change the title. You know? It's a simple thing. Section 31, like the one with the whales. Right? You know, it's a simple thing. Like, Sabrina, can you give, like, a little bit of background, though, as, like, what you know, like, how, when we started, we hit on it before. Like, that it was originally supposed to be a series and then it got truncated into a movie.

[00:18:43] Let's talk about that a little bit because maybe that has some bearing on my point. It does because, as we all know, when we were in the height of making all these Star Trek franchise and films and spinoffs, Section 31 was one that was talked about very early in the game. And it was going to be, you know, that's where we saw Ash go. We saw Michelle Lillio going that way. And we were all excited because they were going to make this spinoff series about Section 31.

[00:19:11] And we couldn't wait because the second season of Discovery with Control and all the stuff that happened, you know, and Control being blamed for everything that went wrong there, you know, you knew Section 31 was going to have this whole new kind of cachet or a problem. And then there's, in the history of Star Trek where we talk about Section 31 actually not being part of Starfleet anymore,

[00:19:36] or sort of like having a break, we know it's something had happened there to make it this really kind of like on its own rogue kind of thing. And that was the story that I thought we were going to get more of. How did it go from being, you know, Article whatever, Article 14, Section 31. Article 14, Section 31, which is part of, you know, the Federation book. Charter. Yeah. Starfleet charter. Right. To something that they ain't even talking about it anymore.

[00:20:06] You know, and how did it go so rogue? And that's what I was hoping we were going to see more of because with Giorgio in there, that's a person that I could say, yeah, well, she took him rogue. Okay. That's the one. But we didn't get any of that. And I was very disappointed that we didn't get more of how did Section 31 come to be so standoff and outlier?

[00:20:38] Also, some little background on that was that from all the interviews and the things that I read, it was Michelle Yeoh suggesting. She was the first one that suggested that they do a spinoff of Section 31. She went from the interviews. I saw her say out of her mouth. She went to Kurtzman and said, we should do a spinoff. And he liked that idea. So that's a little real life background. Yeah.

[00:21:08] And as I said. A series, though, not a movie. Not a movie. Yeah. She's against a series. I think it shows that it suffered, you know, whatever the original concept suffered. Yeah. Yeah. Severely.

[00:21:26] And I think a lot of it, and we're going to talk about dialogue in a minute, but a lot of, I think, the ideas that had been storyboarded for the series got changed into explanatory dialogue. Oh, my God. Yes, girl. And the two ladies that they say the stories were bad in the credits. Bo and Erica. They were the one. Thank you. And they were the one supposed to be writing the series. The series. Correct.

[00:21:56] Well, they actually, from what I've read, they actually wrote the series because they were, because they, like 2019, they actually were set up to be the writers and the showrunners for the series. And Bo and Erica, like, they're bomb. They are some awesome writers. They are so good.

[00:22:18] And I'm sure when Michelle Yeo said, I want to do a Section 31 and found out, you know, if they were coming on, yeah, let's go. Right. Because they did Terra Firma, which is one of my favorites. Yes. You know. And then in 2020, everything changed. And they brought in Craig Sweeney. And he's coming in to take whatever they had already and make it into a movie. Yeah.

[00:22:47] And he's a great writer, too, because he's done some great episodes as well. He's done some great episodes as well. He really has. I'm not saying that we didn't have the talent to do this, but I think it was really, I don't know what happened. I think my suspicion is that the suits got in the way. I was, you know. I was on the tip of my tongue. Yeah. I mean, I can say it. I mean, I'm not getting paid by anybody.

[00:23:14] You know, I think that, I mean, we're here to give an honest critique. Yeah. You know, I don't know that for sure. I don't know that. That's what I believe also. Right. I mean, it's just a belief from looking at the final product that came out. You know, it looks like they suffered from budgetary restrictions. Yeah. And, like, because that's pretty obvious on the sets. I mean, they only had, like, a couple of, I think so. I thought that the visuals were great. I think so. Yeah, the visuals.

[00:23:43] Well, let's hear it from the people that did the cinematography. I'm not saying the effects and stuff were not good. I'm saying that it looked like there were restrictions on the budget. Because, like, if you look, they're only filming, like, a couple of locations. There's only, you know, and, I mean. And there weren't a lot of. It just sort of, things just sort of added up. And the jumble, the jumble, the truncated nature of the script. It just seemed like there were a lot of cuts.

[00:24:14] And maybe not a lot of time to add back in what should have been there. It was like, we got to get this on this deadline. That's what I think happened. And that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it, like, in a bad way. But I'm saying that suits were definitely part of that equation that gave us this. And I also always wondered, was this a time, because you got an Academy Award winner movie star.

[00:24:42] And it was, because I remember them saying, oh, we start two of them, right? So, here we go. I remember they started filming it. Next thing you know, they finished filming it. I was like, wait, that was quick, wasn't it? You know, because it was months. You know, but I guess because it was a movie. I wasn't sure, because we're not used to, you know, these movies tying up so quick. It's a short movie. It is short. It's short. I thought it was going to be two hours. Yeah, yeah.

[00:25:10] Yeah, I mean, you're going to give me, like, this is all I'm going to get from Section 31. Go two hours and five minutes for me. Thank you. I mean, come on, give it to me. This is all I'm getting, you know. This is all. Right. Why are you giving me 99 minutes? So, when you hit on, like, the expository nature of the dialogue, that really showed to me that, like, you know, there were maybe some time constraints.

[00:25:34] Because what they were doing was they were, you know, telling and not showing. Like, there was that whole thing when, what's his name? Amari Hardwick's character, the main character. He is. How do you pronounce it? Is it Alok Shahar? Alok, yeah. Alok Shahar. Alok. Yeah, Alok. Okay. I couldn't remember where the emphasis, which syllable had the right emphasis.

[00:26:04] I'm sad. I was listening to a way she, you know, everything was mumbled. Yes. There was a lot of mumbling. I was like, wait a minute. What in the world? I had it up so loud because it was all the mumbling. I had to keep doing that, too. You know, I'm telling you. So, oh, wait, wait. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me finish this one point. Like, so anyway, real quick, Fran.

[00:26:32] So, he was talking to Georgiou and he said, I did terrible things all for a tyrant like you. You know, like that whole speech, like that was supposed to be their moment where they're connecting. Okay. Okay. Um, anyway, you know, but like that whole, you know what it sounded like to me? Like that sounded like somebody's character description in the show Bible. Mm-hmm. And it sounded like it came straight out of there. Yeah. And I was like, well, what terrible thing? Terrible? Who writes terrible things? Like, who writes that?

[00:27:02] What's a terrible thing? Like, you know, did you step on an ant or did you kill your whole family? Like, you know, like were you eating live Kelpians? Like Kelpians that served you yesterday? Were you just eating them up today? I mean, that's terrible to me. Right, right. You know, I was like, I can't believe this shiggity right here. Yeah. It was, yeah. So that's, that's, that was one of those instances, Sabrina. Man, what did you, what were you going to say? No, I was talking about the mumbling.

[00:27:30] I, I have my closed captions on my TVs all the time, but I can't get them on the screeners. Right. So I, I, I miss some stuff. I'm sure. I don't doubt it. I miss some stuff because there, there is no, I've tried it and it says closed, and you can't put the closed captions on the screeners. So listen, it's, as soon as girlfriend came over the hill and started talking to her family, I was cussing. Cause I was like, okay, here she is.

[00:27:59] And she's coming back and she's telling her family something. What she's saying, but it sounds like I would be clearing out of that tent if I was y'all, but okay. A little slow on the uptake. Okay. Right. Cause I mean, this was the second time she did that. So, I mean, they should have known better. Right. Right. I caught the hunger games. Right. Without giving away too much. You know, I'm like, Oh, we're into hunger games. And she's telling you what happened.

[00:28:29] And they're like, did you win? She's sitting there. See what she wants. She's not a deserter. Cause you're not bombed and your village isn't on fire. I didn't know what she was saying. I didn't know what she was saying, but it was such a beautiful scene. It was, I mean, the way we came into that movie. Yes. Cinematography, A plus. Gorgeous. We came in. I love that scenery. It looked so alien. It gave you that whole dystopian desert look.

[00:28:58] I was ready for it. I'm like, oh baby. And then we went to the same bar that Picard and them went to. The same damn bar. I was like, are they on the same? There's a lot of same. All right. Are we all ready to sing the song? Oh, the Star Wars song? Yeah. The Star Wars music came up in my head as soon as she, I was like, you know. But yeah, that was definitely the Picard bar. Picard bar.

[00:29:27] That was the Picard bar. or you know i was like reicher listening to the klingon opera you know whatever it was the same you know woman in the middle singing something i was just like oh no yeah i did think about that i did think about that the woman singing the with a bunch of arms singing yeah yeah i was like oh my god we're doing the bar scene again yeah and then we were on the planet with the from enterprise

[00:29:51] with the um the fire coming out the out the ground yeah i forgot the name of that and that one remember that one that's what i'm trying to be a lot of reminders but i saw i saw all the tune days um camera work in there i saw that yeah he was spinning us around

[00:30:20] you know what he wanted to let y'all know here i am that's right i thought that home i was like don't she don't me one more time with all the that's that's one thing like one thing that i love is like you know like all the tune day gonna do his thing yeah he's gonna do his thing no matter what right oh yeah you know they gave him the script he had to shoot what they gave him you know i mean like you did a job you know yeah it looked great

[00:30:50] in lots of parts of it like and the the filming was you know all the tune day was on point yeah you know for a spin i said there you go there we go exactly oh my god so i'm gonna i want to just say i don't know i'm i think this is the great place to put this um

[00:31:15] also um i think we talked about this for uh craig sweeney is the one who took over for beau and erica and he uh said that he wrote this uh because he wanted it to be a low barrier of entry for the fans what okay some quotes a low barrier of entry so okay so like he's wants easy access into the star

[00:31:44] trek universe so he wants uh it likes to sort of operate like uh i'm thinking like the kelvin like the kelvin verse did for a lot of people to bring it in anybody could understand it and right but there was star trek in that i think he's a seed look i ain't saying nothing now i think i said what yeah it's a little barrier star trek section 31 this is a fine film you'll enjoy it yes you yeah

[00:32:11] yeah but also he might be right you know it might appeal to a bunch of people who don't know anything about star trek exactly and they might love it because as we i think we all said it's a good it looks great it's a good movie it's just not what we expected it to be and it just might bring more people in and i'm i'm here for that i'm here for that but i just wished there was a little more star trek to it

[00:32:39] yeah yeah all right here's my thing i i pulled out every episode that i all right let's do it episode one episode one would have been the combat to the end of stan and uh jojio the two of them in eight we are two we are one whatever i said that whole story of them getting to that point please i would have loved to have seen their hunger games

[00:33:06] yeah you know even in a flashback give me five minutes of it because that character i was intrigued by that character i was whatever they went through that whole world that like i was like oh yeah and i didn't even think i wanted to see that those stories ever how did georgio become empress what is it like on terra firma you know like what's it like there yeah i they made me want to

[00:33:35] see that they gave you a lot a lot to ponder yes and i was like honestly it's the only part of the movie i was like i want more yeah can you give me more of this i want to know that backstory how did yeah because there was a lot of stuff i was like wait wait who is who and who is this person right yeah yeah and i wanted to know how did you how how how how how how right and who was the lady that

[00:34:00] village who was the lady that was presiding over georgio's ceremony you know like come on all of that was intriguing that was good stuff that was good yeah that was good you know then so then that was it that was a bit more i'm saying that could be its own spinoff show right oh it's definitely or like you're saying for the series because i think i've always said if this movie or for the

[00:34:25] series episode one the two the two hour um premiere the pilot i'd be okay with it yeah because you know they all go kind of that way anyway so that would have been perfect because then we get more you know but for it to be standalone all right here's my episode two okay giorgio the lost years we have her thank you ending with making this thing being the empress and then she's running a bar

[00:34:55] she turned into guy like what what are you telling me i wrote the notes i wrote this happened i said she's an underworld bar maven what what the hell how first of all how cliche is that second of all like right like it's georgio like this is come on was she waiting for something was she doing what was going on right like there yes there had to be a larger purpose for her to be

[00:35:21] definitely the underworld how did she get that damn bar how did she get the space station it was a space station right that's true it's a big it's a space station yeah it's her space like and like so she's like i want to know what's the underworld empire that she's running i wanted to see more of that yeah all right that's my episode two okay okay got it

[00:35:47] all right episode three the team coming together i mean we just got like you know it was like your first day at work everybody just raise your hand say your name but no wait wait you had a delton you had all these people i mean i would have wanted a whole episode of them becoming section 31 how did they get into section 30 what made them all so special why did who picked them how did they get there all

[00:36:15] of a sudden they're just like they're the team they were just sitting in the bar they're the team i'm like wait no wait that's episode three i know it was yep no kayaks of development right no they were just there as they were although they were they were interesting characters i thought yeah they were yeah but yeah i i was uh uh all right i got more

[00:36:41] episodes so i can't hear you so far away come on i got some more thank you uh you gave the uh episode five now you skipped episode four i did yeah we were at episode three episode four was a creation of that weapon yes she made that statement that there was always cool and always fighting like

[00:37:03] what would have driven anybody to make the godsend to make something that vicious that your own boy who took a sword to his face and that was on his knees to you he was crying that you made this i was like oh go back go back because my boy was ripping my heart out he was like the girl that i knew you are

[00:37:28] a monster how could you make this and took some poison and died at her feet wait somebody give me some more because i was so done oh man was anybody scared of the godsend the thing in the pocketbook right the thing no the thing in the pocketbook no exactly no we were not okay thank you just go moving moving on episode five huh what what kind of just reminded me um on um picard

[00:37:58] when the um what's what is it bromulan had that little toy it reminded me of that it did i'm telling you oh we did the little yeah i'm like oh another little come apart go back together toy thing that's what i thought it meant bromulan rubik's cube very picard yeah that's what yeah very picard-esque you know around that's all dilly-dallying through

[00:38:24] space but you got this thing in a box and just just walking around like you've got the doomsday machine and you just got it in your hand walking along i'm like okay i just don't understand what's it was a pocketbook it looks like he was carrying a pocketbook not even a birkin not a birkin bro a pocketbook

[00:38:48] which episode are we at which episode are we at let's keep it moving i think five you said it already the augments like i wanted that whole episode on what happened to him the woman that killed his family yeah made him into an augment took him apart made him do terrible things but she didn't make him into an augment she took oh she did make him into an

[00:39:14] yeah she took me okay i can't yeah they were spared a lot i kept missing it i know it was it was uh it was very tyler-esque okay because i was like did he actually get made into or did he just have to serve her so she did change him okay all right yeah she said yeah but that was a hell of a story we should have heard that we should have he's the leading man i knew very little about him

[00:39:40] i should i should care about him and his connection to georgio to the other to the other leading character you know i really should but and here's my question about him all i'm gonna do is uh everybody vote was there chemistry between his character and georgio's no no absolutely not no none

[00:40:04] ice they were okay they were okay but you know it's kind of hard to but her and what's the name had chemistry her and um um oh gosh i don't know i'm old here ash no colbert no well they kind of had chemistry but her and her daughter had chemistry michael michael michael had chemistry yeah but i'm talking about sexual we're talking about romantic chemistry because he was supposed to go in there

[00:40:33] and like she said make the connection remember they were laughing he was supposed to go in there and make the connection with her and i'm like dude power what amari because you know he could do better than that i didn't get it no no no no no yeah you didn't even see it but you can have chemistry with somebody it doesn't have to be i know but we were talking about in a that she met in a sexual way in this story he was supposed to have sexual chemistry with her and it was no

[00:41:01] yeah yeah it was okay his eyes were dead his eyes were dead and then i got tired of pulling out episodes i stopped there i just oh okay i was waiting for you because your your your episodes were great like i'm like actually sabrina i would have watched your series for sure your series will be done oh you have one more episode rachel garrett yes a whole rachel a whole episode dedicated to

[00:41:31] to rachel yes why did they do that to my character kind of gave us a timeline right and yes exactly so tell me where this fit in please so it's in the uh lost like the lost uh era they call it it's the it's between the time between uh uh what's the last tos movie undiscovered country

[00:41:55] and tng so it's between there okay between there so that's a long time that's happening yeah that's when this is happening that's when all of this is happening she was young yes she was yeah because she's just you know she's just a young lieutenant yeah she's just a lieutenant i was confused as to whether what the delton said about her is that she did something to get her butt thrown over to section 31

[00:42:22] or was she just so super goody goody that they were the one that they thought could keep section 31 in line i felt the latter okay because i i i felt like she i don't first of all i don't remember that what the delton said the delton said oh you're just here because you did something wrong and they threw you over here she said it with i said oh wait a minute i think she's um young lieutenant who um

[00:42:50] hasn't found her way yet i think that's basically what it was what they were trying to tell you you know she's still you know she's it seemed like she was living two different lives from what happened like she's that stuck up you know trying to play that stuck up uh that's true you'll say then right and but still behind the scenes you know she's all about having all kinds of fun and stuff so

[00:43:14] yeah which i don't know yeah that's what it felt like to me that we they wanted somebody um in this era that would work and that we knew you know and and i you know we've talked about this before with all of these shows they're all in this writer's room together and you know like i said it's very picard-esque because we just have rachel garrett mentioned in picard with the statue and all and he or she is

[00:43:44] showing up in this uh episode you know so you know there's a lot of if we go back you'll find that a lot of these shows um if they aren't at the same time they will mention the same type of storyline somewhere and um they'll have a through line with the character or something yeah and i just feel like i know me and sabrina was talking about how rachel garrett was is a very favorite character of mine

[00:44:10] and i think of hers also and yes for her to be just thrown in this um was very disappointing you know because when i heard that she was going to be a character i was really excited i was like oh georgio and rachel garrett is going to be great and to my disappointment that is not the case well to be fair like tng you know she was a kick-ass captain

[00:44:37] she was a she was a real she was the captain of the enterprise enterprise okay so let me just take it let me let me just take a not an opposing point like the devil's advocate point of view like to be first of all to be fair i felt like most of the characters were just thrown in there yeah well i so she's just it's not singling out rachel garrett no i agree with you

[00:45:01] but just but also yeah like on the other side this is just i think of it as just like one moment in rachel garrett's growth you know one moment in her history that made her the kick-ass captain that we experienced that we that we saw you know like so i'm not so upset about i don't think they did a

[00:45:24] disservice to her necessarily you know i mean a little bit goody two-shoes but in a lot of ways complaining whining a little bit of a little bit of a karen um i thought they threw rachel garrett in there because of the starfleet supposedly connection but i just i feel like it could have they could have chosen like they could have made up a starfleet character and would work just fine yeah yeah and she

[00:45:53] was somebody we knew you know that's why that's why i think she was right it doesn't have a lot of backstory that they could expand on so then they weren't gonna you know i don't have to go to memory off but it really isn't anything yet about her so they could just make it up but yeah i'm not really mad mad at them for that like i don't i don't mind this being part of rachel garrett's backstory i i would like it a lot better if we got an actual section 31 story to be part of her backstory

[00:46:24] yeah because that that would have been the character like bashear and like malcolm reed right who would have been the character that would have been forced to do right what they were going to do like they would have been kicking and screaming they wouldn't have been there to keep section 31 in line it's like you're exactly section 31 in line

[00:46:47] nobody nobody's keeping section 31 in line period right nobody's keeping mr mark on that one i was like that's not the story though that's not how it works i i right she would have been the one having the moral dilemma about whatever they were going to do or how they were that is that now from that point of view i totally get what you're saying event like she was not used properly right um at

[00:47:13] that particular character or any starfleet character in that role but i think she was perfect for that type of show you know if they were going to do that that would be the perfect yeah because she we know that she ends up being the captain of the enterprise right you know not anybody becomes the captain of the enterprise you know and for her and the only woman to be captain of the enterprise you know so i just

[00:47:37] thought when when she showed up and was i was like all right well yeah it works because it worked with everybody else yeah she was supposed to be the standout she was supposed to be the moral dilemma she was supposed to be the star she was supposed to be the star trek in this you know she that's who she was supposed well that's what i thought she was supposed to be yeah yeah well i mean that that

[00:48:01] should have been her function but somebody needed to be the star trek in this so why not rachel right we didn't have really any moral dilemma i mean everybody was all everybody was in agreement that they needed to get the pocketbook back and they needed to stop it and i think they kind of glossed over the fact that the the that something was happening that we already had uh you know we had a the time

[00:48:30] thing got me the 24 hours wasn't really used well you know like we forgot about it through most of the movie then we pulled it up and there was like two hours left i said wait a minute we've just been sitting there talking the whole time and now you go now you remember the clock is running but um i don't know i don't get it why introduce that and don't use it and don't use it right exactly that's what i'm saying why did you introduce that and don't use it really well because that's something

[00:48:59] that star trek does you know they're going to get you down to the last two seconds before something happens but you know it was just kind of like i didn't see a clock running i didn't see anybody keeping the time or you know that would have been that would have made my heart go a little bit more yeah um all right last thing i'm going to talk about when we're analyzing a story dialogue what did you think of the dialogue here some good lines bad lines anything you remember

[00:49:29] nope wow i i think i think um michelle yo had all the great lines well she did i mean she had all the the the pithy little one-liners that you know you would expect out of this type of movie and of course she delivered them perfectly but do i like is there anything that stands out to me i know the comedian was funny well let me tell you i think who's the comedian the sam richardson i'm sorry

[00:49:56] sam richardson his character i thought he was oh the cameloid yeah i thought yeah i thought really funny he was very funny over him he's one of my favorite he's also another favorite aspect of this movie because he's just he's a delight in everything that he's in you know um for me like i'd love i love seeing him also i like the guy who um played san james i can't say his name hero

[00:50:26] hero yuki leo stand out he's amazing i love him and everything i see him in also you know um you know uh i mean i think this the casting was was great you know the cat the casting was great like i i really enjoyed these actors and i enjoyed their performances um the the guy who played zeff

[00:50:51] robert kaczynski he had me laughing like he just played that role this stupid little blunderhead guy like you know more brawn than brains he played that is it god send or god's end that made me laugh so i mean like i think they you know and oh wow and sven sven god i'm gonna butcher his name i don't know how to say your name's fan who played fuzz

[00:51:18] you know uh roy grott i i don't know yeah i don't know nordic names i don't know nordic pronunciations of anything so i'll i'll be looking for somebody to help me with that please um uh yeah i mean he was great as well so you know they had a great they had a great class you know mel miss gonzalez you know played mel um she was fantastic so seductive and like her

[00:51:47] voice was pitched perfectly you know perfect you know i mean she she was great but um the dialogue though again more exposition and and again like going back to our central point that's because of whatever happened behind the scene when they had to put make a a series into a movie you know um yeah

[00:52:12] the the emotional kick in a line which is so needed when you have you know any story you you've got to have that line that just hits you and i think there was so few of those for me that like i already said the most emotional scenes that i can remember was the one where um uh stan is was his name when he

[00:52:38] when he dies i mean both of his scenes were so emotional he had short scenes you know where he loses to giorgio and then when he kills him well you know he's just an amazing actor and that is yeah i didn't get that feeling of connection or a line that you know made me say like yeah i'm really feeling what you're feeling i mean michelle yo did give me that feeling of you know it was funny at one

[00:53:05] point i had that feeling i was thinking of uh balana with drone you know when somebody does something that they can't take back they're so sorry that they created something that's like the worst thing you know you didn't have any idea that it would get this nuts but um you thought you said the lana and the drone in in the drone yeah when she said when they told her not to do it dreadnought

[00:53:33] i'm sorry yeah i'm sorry yeah yeah when they told her not and she just was so and giorgio even has that same thing another emotional moment when they said like why are you so after this and she said because it's mine and i felt that when she said that because it's mine i don't have any other reason for wanting this things that my i need it it's mine i'm getting it back and she's

[00:53:55] gonna fight that man tooth and nail which let me say second villain best villain what say that again i couldn't hear you second villain best villain oh that's the villain that man came out of there i was scared i was like oh now we're talking now we're talking now we got some stuff going on here but well i mean i just yeah i think like you know dialogue wise was just there wasn't a lot for

[00:54:24] anybody to chew on it was all snark snarky it was come back pitta patter and and and inappropriate moments too sometimes like it was i know it was like okay now is the time for the comedic beat you know dropping it it felt forced and wedged in a lot of times that's the word that's the word that's the whole thing i was like it feels this feels very forced yeah right yeah i didn't really know any

[00:54:51] time that they were having dialogue that was like how are we going to get this mission done like when somebody was saying something that made some kind of sense as to what they were going to do about the next problem like you know they would be like it doesn't work okay do the it's like it was just no this i don't know i can't even explain like what i was missing but uh words i mean come on

[00:55:19] it's not difficult you know when you know those moments when they're sciencing and they're like going back and forth about how they're going to get it done and they could do this and do that and do this and do that and you're like they come up with the solution it was none of that star trek yes yeah i mean yeah and my the emotional impact of the most emotional moments were in the in the

[00:55:42] opening scenes with young georgio and young son um um yeah and um and then later with the two of them together you know um yeah those were those were the emotional moments that i were pretty riveting you know from those two actors they were the four actors excuse me you know um where i felt like

[00:56:07] okay now this is something i watch but like again the storytelling i said it before never mind i'm gonna shut up i'm a broken record about that i'm a broken no you made a really good point there about the four actors in the fact that those two pairs matched that emotion yeah so well that i until you just said that i i wasn't even thinking that those were two different sets of actors playing

[00:56:35] those parts and bravo for those those four actors to match that you know tier for tier yeah yeah everything that we've said notwithstanding i would very i would be interested in seeing these characters in the star trek universe in a true star trek story well there we got them now right i mean

[00:57:02] like they i mean but they need a better story next time they also with that we belong they belong to us now so yeah i mean like they're great care my point being is that they're great characters and i think that they're a great addition to our world right yeah and um i think but they deserve a really good story yeah i agree i got a question for fran sure fran and so the guy that was black on one side and

[00:57:27] one on the other was he from i know it i already know i know dominant race or was he from the he's from the dominant race he was black on the right side the the subjugated race which was he was he was he he was black on the right side commissioner beale right he was commissioner beale's people he he was got a commissioner beale yeah he was he was he was he was a dominant side he was the

[00:57:56] black on the right side okay so you know what he really wasn't he supposed to be there somebody pointed it out but they could have gone to other planets okay because i'm getting ready to ask what how i thought they were i thought they killed themselves i mean yeah they they destroyed themselves they destroyed themselves however some people could have left the planet before before all of that yeah like uh like like like whoopies people the illyrians right

[00:58:25] allureans allureans right right yeah because illyrians are probably somebody else yes yes they are yes yeah that's a good point fran but i i knew fran would know the answer right away yeah that was that black on the right side i hope somebody from the star trek trivia uh star trek cruise who writes the trivia uh does the trivia is listening because that's a really good trivia

[00:58:49] question that would only bother another tos trek it bothered me because i was like i thought they all were dead why is he there how did he get there you know yeah so yeah they probably have another colony somewhere else here's something for sabrina sabrina did you know your boy was in here oh did we lose sabrina he's frozen in my yes okay here

[00:59:17] her connection is pretty bad again your boy is in the movie sabrina do you know which boy i'm talking about no david benjamin tomlinson is in this film no way yes i saw it on imdb you'll never guess who he plays oh who's tall it's such a it's such a little moment it's a but it's a it's one of the best moments

[00:59:45] it's one of the best oh god who is he he's the andorian oh no way don't spoil that one oh my god when you say oh there's only one and oh wow that's really cool as soon as we get off like this that's really cool

[01:00:13] i gotta go back and look at it and i was looking at imdb about it i was like shut up shut the front door oh my god i tell you i'll tell you that's hilarious i'm so glad you pointed that out for me i did not know that yeah so well sabrina i think we beat this horse i think we have

[01:00:40] i do you think so any any other finer points sabrina that we need to make before we wrap this up i just want to say i also want to give kudos to the people who did the costume because i thought they were absolutely gershaw gershaw's back i'm laughing my nose looking good yeah man that that's that blue that blue leather that she had on oh stop

[01:01:05] with the shoulders oh yeah yeah at the end yeah that was cool oh that was cool yeah it had gershaw all over even before i saw her name i knew it was her i didn't i'm like oh gershaw and that's all good all the costumes all the costumes all of them yep because they were on point gorgeous it was

[01:01:29] beautiful to watch the film was absolutely yeah except for the dark that dark passage in the middle but you know when they were in the ship or whatever yeah that was other than that it was it was gorgeous i mean even the fight sequences were really good the fight scene the choreograph the core choreograph oh my gosh choreograph thank you you're welcome um fight scenes were awesome yeah i love those

[01:01:54] those were the fight scenes were worthy of michelle yo yes that was another high point of the movie i gotta i want to ask her if she it was did she choreograph those because wow wow wow wow and i love the fact that it wasn't all her being a superhero you know she got beat the hell down you know and then came back there was it was fighting which i love and it was so michelle yo

[01:02:18] type of fighting and i i thought that that's now you talk about what i really remembered not dialogue but the fight scenes yeah yeah those fight scenes were on point they were on point yes they wow because i was like ow i know right and she had a bruise at the end i was like oh

[01:02:43] ow my girl oh no she's got a foot caught in the wall i'm like oh that part was good i now that i remembered yeah yeah you know i think i should say like you know thank you to paramount for being willing to give us star trek in a different format yeah you know

[01:03:07] um you know i'm happy for any star trek that comes out um you know i would like to see more films that's cool you know if we can use the streaming service to do more tell more stories i'm all down for it if as long as we can get them you know they're actually we can focus on them being what the format that they're supposed to be

[01:03:30] and tell that story that's fine i always want to see another series i'm i'm always down for another series yeah you know and i think this would have been a great series oh it would have been so good yeah but you know you know thanks for more content right you know and hopefully it will work and bring some new people into the fandom and you know to our world yeah i'm sure you know hopefully it will intrigue

[01:03:58] people enough to want to dive in and see you know where the the basis of all of this you know i mean alex kirsten always said that he just wanted all the shows to have their different uh flavor you know so i mean this definitely goes with that you know it's just they're all different you can't say that this was this is like anything else so right so and then likewise i i kept saying to some

[01:04:26] people who are talking to about this that um you know it might not be our trek we we might somebody might see trek in this and that we don't but it just like anything else just not this not might be this might not be ours you know so because far be it for me to say like what is right and what is wrong it's just things that i know right this is definitely our opinion right you know just like and

[01:04:53] everybody is welcome to have their own opinion like you know there's nothing i can't i wouldn't want to be in a fandom where everybody thought the same right and we're definitely not trying to gatekeep here you know we're just telling you our opinion and like i i think this might be somebody's trek i hope it is because i like you said i want to see more movies like this more content you know i mean if they want to make this into a series i'm here for it i'm here yeah you know i'll still watch

[01:05:21] i'll still watch more and i and i will most definitely welcome more people into the fandom and especially younger people you know because the goal is to keep the franchise going for as long as possible like you know as long as we staying true to our roots right of what our franchise is about you know anyway i've had a really good time discussing this with you guys i hope you guys have

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[01:08:51] jeff russo hi hi hi we're great how are you i'm good i'm good like excited to be here it's fucking freezing outside sorry sorry the language but it's cold it's cold as hell oh my god i know it's freezing but we're inside it's warm the music for this movie phenomenal so you've seen it yes okay yes it's different yeah yeah how do you feel well you know i think that it was interesting alex and i

[01:09:21] and tunde discussed wanting to make this i mean the sort of our outside the typical star trek fair right outside the typical star trek storytelling devices yeah um even though obviously at least one familiar character um we really wanted to tell the story in a in a different way and one way to help that is music so it has a little more swagger it has a little more like and you know there's still

[01:09:48] a little bit of the star trek thing you still use a lot utilizing star trek themes including emperor georgeo's themes yeah um but we wanted to bring something new we loved it i mean like i mean i thought it was perfect for the film right right cinnamon was this a little more like a power kind of sound like you did for the power well no i wouldn't say it was that but i definitely say i've you know i've i've tried to give it a little more swagger and a little more give her a little more attitude and

[01:10:16] you can kind of see from what we know of georgeo from the other show from discovery she's kind of her own thing and it i really wanted to bring that out like i only had a little bit of room to do that in discovery with this i had a lot more room to to do something that really gave her something that was we hadn't seen or heard before i love that you nailed it yeah you nailed it and there was some

[01:10:42] like i love that there was a lot of humorous moments and music was totally reflective of that really speaking you know she's a great character obviously she's an incredible actress um and what she brought to the role and what she brings to star trek is above and you know beyond what i thought was possible um so it made it easier for me to sort of let those funny moments be funny i mean they're truly like inspiring in that way i love it thank you you're welcome thank you we appreciate you we

[01:11:11] appreciate your work thank you very much that's why we that's why we're all everybody over here people but you you guys are why we do this right like people who really love the thing and like i don't know those are they're talking to the people that i don't know i think the people who

[01:11:39] really care the people that's right that's important to us as filmmakers and people who want to tell these stories it's important that we we feel what everybody's feeling you know anyway so thank you okay sci-fi sisters meltdown full on we're standing here talking to miss gersha gersha phillips me hi hi hi we have loved i love the sci-fi oh i think i've had you guys did we do a show or

[01:12:06] something no you did women at war oh okay oh that's right yeah um yeah yes we came after them okay oh fantastic and we're dying to have you i need to i want to take a picture of you in this outfit oh oh what can i get that all this yes can i get that yes can we get hooked up can i get a t-shirt yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yeah yeah sci-fi sisters t-shirt got it got it we will get you one

[01:12:33] can i just see the woman who created you knows no bounds we are so proud of you thank you i mean and we claim much thank you that's so lovely we couldn't wait to see you on this carpet

[01:12:56] this is a whole different experience a whole time language how was it at all it was it was it was um it was challenging because we knew we had like certain markers to meet and um especially like

[01:13:22] michelle's costumes had to be they wanted so many things from it like that she could fight that she was they wanted tunday wanted a cape and it just went on and on and on a laundry list of things that we needed to do to have this for this outfit so that was challenging in itself and then um you know i think also usually for star trek we do uniforms this one it's very individualistic it's all about their personalities trying to bring that out in their costumes and trying to create like these individual

[01:13:49] looks and personalities for these guys who are just like amazing so you know that was another challenge in itself trying to just keep it interesting futuristic and um you know cool and badass at the same time well you totally succeeded let me tell you thank you were you not just saying that sabrina oh my god i'll tell you this i never cosplay until your costumes okay you got me in

[01:14:13] cosplay because i was like i want to look like gersh's oh thank you that's so sweet i love it oh my gosh you guys made me so happy that season one blue uniform yeah that is still that is still one of my starfleet uniform ever

[01:14:38] somebody asked me about you and when i went to the star trek convention they asked me why my um mirror universe costumes were so covered and they didn't see they weren't like you know like the originals and i was like i think ours are better and more sexy and more powerful right so yeah this power and these like great costumes that empower everybody and i like the equality because it puts

[01:15:05] everybody on the same footing which is great the male and female yeah you know and also like who else is michelle nichols like yeah like we had the paragon yeah already we saw her in that yeah exactly and it worked for the time i mean it was the 60s right that's what the whole you know when you think of sci-fi most of sci-fi comes from the 60s that's the look that that most shows carried forward was that look from the 60s and it was nice to take it into something different and do something a little

[01:15:32] different okay yes okay thank you gersha thank you i'm doing great i'm uh cloud nine we're the sci-fi sisters okay okay so what's going on what's happening okay so first of all we saw you on the screen and we're like we know that brother yeah you're like the man of a thousand like we knew you instantly and we heard you know what you were saying to check movie about feeling seen

[01:16:00] in star trek and so much of what you expressed is our experience as well yeah yeah yeah absolutely you know um you know when you're a kid you just live in life you don't know what's you know i mean literally uh life is about reactions and stuff right because your brain's not formed enough to to understand uh why you might feel certain things that you do um um you know what the dynamics of

[01:16:28] the neighborhood that you're living in and how that contributes to your experience right like all those things that's for when you get older and and everything so you know i did feel very much uh alienated different uh um that i didn't really like have a community that i was kind of misunderstood at times i mean a lot of people feel this right this is nothing uh this is not a not

[01:16:55] a not a new uh concept for people right and then when i saw star trek i i i just i saw myself yeah i saw myself in in different moments i saw myself in data i saw myself in war i saw myself you know in in you know in a ferengue quite honestly you know which you know it's easy to look at these guys as uh

[01:17:20] as like oh these are the bad guys right but then star trek never leaves it one-dimensional yeah and then when you find out about some of these guys it's no surprise why someone do what they do and then in ds9 right right i mean i mean tell me you don't love right tell me you don't love it's a plea for group shot right now okay all right all right

[01:17:44] but thank you like no yeah yeah yeah absolutely i got another question for you okay james yeah okay now now i forgot what my other question was gonna be okay the question is yeah two most emotional scenes in that movie were played by two sets of actors the young ones and yes and you and yes did you rehearse that with the other pair because the emotion no we didn't oh my god no we didn't but uh what we

[01:18:10] had was the benefit of a couple of readings this uh you know without spoiling anything this younger version uh of of of um you know i didn't get to meet the younger version of me so but this uh the younger version of uh philippa georgio this kid this actor is is brilliant she blew us away

[01:18:32] from a zoom table read was like yo catch it catch that you know someone record that because you could you i mean she was amazing and brilliant so so already there was like this there was like ah you know and i already have so in an actor's preparation and you know i know i'm gonna sound like a nerdy actor over here but like you know already i don't have to use my imagination to think of

[01:18:58] or to see who the face of this person was so i knew we were going to be on the same page you know i knew we were going to be on the same page i can't wait to see them because i i just heard incredible incredible things you know and so i purposely purposely said i want to watch it tonight for the first time so i i'm waiting for everything oh thank you i hope you enjoy yeah no no this is

[01:19:25] cloud nine cloud nine uh unbelievable dream come true i can't i can't express enough awesome it was so much fun talking to you earlier today like your energy just comes through like everywhere like you chose the perfect person for this i gotta thank my country man it's south africa

[01:19:52] there's just there's hope and there's joy there no matter where you go there's joy my mother has been to the continent many times and the first place she wants to take me in south africa she actually represented you better go when he was like like here in the states and stuff so i i feel like it's kind of like oh no you gotta come yeah you gotta come yeah let me know when you're in town okay all right don't worry y'all heard that right yeah okay all right all right so um okay so what did we ask you

[01:20:20] about earlier um oh two characters at once that's what i love about what you did there it was so fascinating how fun was that because i mean you're playing a little guy and then you're playing out here you got to play the most un-volcan-volcan ever ever i think it was a joy it was a thrill like it was basically like i've got kids i got five kids so like just watching my kids play in the sandpit that is what this experience was for me i got five kids yeah you look like okay all right you're too

[01:20:49] young for all this okay so like that's the experience that like and i'm sure for those of you who have kids you know what it's like to watch your kids experience the wonder and the joy of little things yeah and that was fuzz it was the little things because everything is big for him yeah and he's also like sinister and mean about it because he's like everything's so big and and that was the joy it was being able to play in this big sandbox which we call star trek yeah i love it i love the

[01:21:15] fact that you're in our family now oh thank you know once you're in the star trek family you're in for life oh good please don't let me go i can't wait till you start working these conventions oh yeah yeah yeah i'm excited yeah do you guys go to conventions a lot all the time all the time please come say hi i'm gonna start this year but i don't know how it works so crossing fingers that things happen we got you people are gonna love you they're gonna get you

[01:21:41] out thank you i'm gonna say something that isn't even in the uh cards here yeah but now everybody knows the sidebar says no i got a thing about vulcans oh yeah yeah yeah tell me the thing tell me the thing can't trust them can't kill them but you gotta go okay they gotta go i told these people you were the first vulcan and i think i like this vulcan you heard it here first folks she

[01:22:07] is coming around thank you so much for stopping to talk to us thank you it's such a pleasure to see you thank you for your joy thank you thank you thank you congratulations i thought you were on a screen miles away today what were you yeah we were in dc well done good for you i'm so impressed rob thank you so much for stopping to talk to us again okay so really quick because i know they're

[01:22:34] going to call you in from east enders to star trek first of all huge east enders fans really yeah the two of us yes like like so much brit television is on my tv it's ridiculous i love that yeah okay so whose fan base is more rabid would you say the east enders fan base or the star trek fans funnily enough in the simple way that shows that every peoples are the same peoples um there is an

[01:23:02] equal amount of how much how adult is your view okay okay there is an equal amount of dickheads in every fandom and then there are an equal amount of people that love it there are 95 of the people are wonderful and there's always five percent of people who gatekeep and ruin everything for everybody else who just want to be mean for the sake of being mean now i would say it's pretty much the same across every single fandom and i really i love those 95 that are lovely kind wonderful people

[01:23:27] and i love the five percent that are dickheads and i just hope you guys know that you are so they have already eastenders fans have already prepared you for um i mean you gotta forget i was in true blood as well i've done like so like what i've had to talk about that because i screamed when i and i was like yeah i remember you from true blood yeah it was more though man yeah i know that was my

[01:23:52] jam yeah i know it was good times a long time ago do you believe that was 12 years ago now stop oh my god i know i'm not getting old don't ask how i've got more hair now than i did then definitely wasn't the two hair transplant well we're so excited i mean thank you for stopping to talk to us thank you and welcome to the family like you said before because once you're in you're in baby i ain't leaving yeah that's it i'm staying you're dragging me out we gotta get them shirts yeah

[01:24:21] saves their shirts everyone that's got to see that as that we'll get that for you for uh star trek for las vegas love that i'm all in i'm going to that as well so that'll be great we'll have one for you fantastic all right thank you have a great night all right kacy how are you i'm so good it's so nice to see you especially after like being okay especially after being rushed with this interview this morning i know we were really we were really

[01:24:50] motoring i know you were but girl you've had a long day we know you have but thank you so much again welcome to the family we're so excited don't make me proud okay i'll try that too because your makeup looks fabulous thank you so cool thank you so how much fun much of like a bisected character right she was all laced up and then georgio was like you know embrace the chaos yeah you know are

[01:25:18] you an embrace the chaos person naturally or is this i'm i'm on that journey with rachel earnest streak but um we're a serious streak but i'm also you know a little bit goofy so i think the the parallel to the world and how rachel is sort of crackling and awakening and embracing chaos in this film i really relate to and also having michelle sort of encourage that yes right uh i really too as well

[01:25:46] i loved um i love that moment when she was like it was like a mentor mentee moment yeah you know it's really special between this moment between a woman who has experience and knowledge and helping a younger woman come into her own yeah yeah did it feel powerful when you guys were filming it because it felt powerful when we saw it i'm so glad thank you for saying that yeah it absolutely felt powerful you know my take in both filming all of those scenes that i did got to do with michelle which is

[01:26:15] an unbelievable privilege and honor um but also just being in space with her that's who she is like being near michelle calls you into your power calls you into your worth calls you into your light um so any second i get to be around that woman watch her work work with her is just i'm forever grateful oh that is so cool thank you so much thank you we appreciate enjoy yourself tonight thank you you too have so much fun it's so nice to meet you and i hope we get to see you

[01:26:43] again and talk to you again thank you i hope so too you guys were amazing thank you so nice to see you in person this time thank you for coming out here thank you sexy sisters sci-fi sisters thank uh one quick question for you because this one who are you wearing well at siaga right we worked

[01:27:10] with them you could see the costumes that so gersha phillips our amazing costume designer she we we said that we go like we both love this brand you know why don't we work with a high-end fashion because uh phillips our jojo she loves the flair yes for for so damn it was so good thank you that that was exactly you're wondering you know how is it like how wonderful is it to wear

[01:27:34] gersha designs too you know i mean she's so she is so talented and you wore them so spectacularly they just fit you yeah well she made it for me right so and she is such a collaborator so she she comes and she designs and she says okay so what do you want so i said i want to move i want to you know flow so she will create something and then suddenly it's with feathers and i'm flying around the room

[01:28:00] so we have fun with our work and i think it shows yeah right because with this one we said we have to incorporate into fight sequences with the cave because she's an inventor she's an engineer so in you know she has time on her hand as now that she's a proprietor of a nightclub right so you know she invents things like she's a walking weapon basically my theme song for uh georgio is i'm

[01:28:24] every woman and that's for you she is she is she is that's for you thank you so much we really have good to see you all thank you so much thank you thank you bye-bye hey hey we're gonna be great we're gonna be super fast because we know you guys have to go first of all good to see you congratulations on your grammy thank you like talking to you for just a second we got it we see why you won that grammy i appreciate amazingly talented he's winning that grammy ma'am we call it next week oh it's next

[01:28:54] week okay yes you don't get that you don't get that thank you okay and then really quickly we just want to say thank you for being the first leading black man in a star trek series since avery brooks boom okay and thank you for holding that torch and carrying it forth you know we love that you are this person you're turning me up the best for last thank you that's right you know it let's see that shirt too

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