Samora Smallwood: A Woman to Watch

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I am here with the SyFy Sistas.

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_00]: My name is Samora Smallwood.

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm an actress, writer, producer, creator and advocate.

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so excited to get into the nitty gritty today of, to be honest with you,

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: not sure what, but I am here for the vibes and the adventure.

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's do it with the SyFy Sistas.

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey everybody.

[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the SyFy Sistas podcast where we give you our point of view.

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm the host Tamia Harper and I'm joined today by my sisters, Yvette Blackman-Tam.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Sabrina Wood.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And Fran T.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: What's happening y'all?

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_04]: What's happening, Fran?

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We got a great guest with us today.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: We're really excited.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_04]: You know how we like to, our mission is to shine a light on black thought, black creativity

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_04]: in this world.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And we have a sister with us who we just adore.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean adore because let me tell you, when I saw her on Star Trek Discovery,

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I said, I know that sister.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I said, where do I know that sister from?

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this sister.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I know this sister from like a bunch of the shows that I watch all the time.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, oh, that's her.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Murdoch Mysteries.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: You were on The Expanse.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I recognized you on The Expanse.

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I know that sister.

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Designated Survivor and the Sabrina's Jam from the Hallmark channel, way home.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because Sabrina is a Hallmark girl.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So we know her.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Her name y'all is none other than Samora Smallwood.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And we are so proud to have this sister on the show with us.

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yay.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What is up?

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What an intro.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Here with Sci-Fi Sisters.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: She said it right.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: She's one of us.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_04]: We are really excited to have you on the show.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_04]: You work a lot.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And that makes us really happy because I see you putting like not just because of your

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: talent, but because you're representing like on every show that you're in and with

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_04]: grace and with dignity and you stand out on that screen.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just amazing to watch you.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And I love the fact that, you know, we could track you in all these different roles, but

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_04]: we can still see you.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, the essence of you in them.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you know, you bring something really beautiful and strong to the stage.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like, so, you know, when I started digging down a little bit more and I'm

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: like this sister has grit.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that word.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It's true.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like you, like I heard you say on another show, like you got the hustle vibe.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think it's like a lot more than that.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's the grit.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Like in order to have the people, lots of people have hustle, but they don't have

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: any stick-to-itiveness or anything, you know, and you got a lot more behind you.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: And what I found fascinating that you were talking about your coming home journey.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm all sorts of in love with that.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Can you, can you please tell our audience about the coming home journey?

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And Mia, I'm obsessed with you right now.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the first thing that you want to talk about because it is really important

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to me to represent and one of the things closest to my heart and why I always

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: include advocacy in my introduction is because whenever you enter a space and

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: you come from a traditionally marginalized or historically excluded community, you

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: have more responsibility than the average person.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think to pretend that you don't is naive and especially in this

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: historical moment that we're in now, we see how important that is.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So the coming home journey for me is basically you were talking before we

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: hopped on about your mom and it's a lot about honoring the women and the

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: men and our ancestors that came before us, but especially the women who

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_00]: came before us and paved the way for who we are.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So coming home means we are so lucky and privileged to be in this moment

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: where we get to pursue our passions.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Like right now we are on this call talking about our passion that in

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and of itself is a huge privilege.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: So I am one of those people who, no matter how geeky it sounds, I'm always

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: aware of that in the moment.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So I try and pay homage to my ancestors in a moment like that,

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_00]: because the women who came before us didn't get to do that kind of stuff.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So coming home is about saying like, what does it mean for me

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: to live in my authentic power?

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean for me to let go of people pleasing and seeking external

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: validation and trying to meet the right people choose?

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: See, this is why I wanted to talk about this.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: This is right off the bat here all on that journey.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's so hard, especially when you're at an intersection of being

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_00]: a woman and a woman of color.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of those things where you really have to think about it

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and say, I get to be free.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And what does it mean if I am my authentic self?

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And for me personally, I realized that in order to be big and be bold

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and be a dangerous motherfucker, it means

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: letting go and, you know, holding in with respect

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: some of those things that our ancestors couldn't be loud

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and dangerous and bold in order to simply be safe.

[00:06:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So whenever I go into a space, I go onto a set,

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: even going into you mentioned Star Trek Discovery and walking in

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_00]: on the enterprise, the bridge and just like feeling the emotion

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: of that moment of saying like, wow, look at this life I get to do.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very committed to owning my authentic voice and stepping into my power.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we especially as women and women of color, we have a lot more power

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: than we've been given given credit for.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry. Can you say that again?

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: One more time.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Just for those people in the back.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Especially black women have a lot more power than we have been given credit for.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of those moments where I always quote my girl,

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: not in the real world, but one day we will be friends in my imagination.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_00]: We are besties, Michelle Obama, who says, you know, you go to those tables

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes, those places, those spaces you've been excluded from

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and you realize that the people in those spaces aren't as smart

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: as you've been told they are.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And you actually probably are a lot more capable and a lot more smart

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: than you've been given credit for.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what coming home is.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just have a hundred men so far.

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so excited.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a hundred, a hundred people in it now.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Hundred members so far.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And we meet once monthly right now.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to follow my passion and my purpose to what God's

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: spirit, the universe has tasked me to do.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a brass task.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, brass tax figured out just yet.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: But right now we meet once a month and we have members from all over the world.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Our last call, we had women calling in from places like Ireland, Jamaica,

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: California, all over the world, jumping on the call.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And then we do an in-person one.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And it is just about coming home to your power and giving a voice

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to sometimes that little teeny tiny whisper in your heart of what you really

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: believe you're capable of.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And the more I do that, the more I see my life transform,

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: the more I believe and have faith in what I'm capable of.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was just on my heart for a long, long time to bring that to the community.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So now that's what we do.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And we have a hundred members so far.

[00:08:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty cool.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_06]: You may have a couple more members by the time this is over.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Join us.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_00]: We want you to because we give testimony and we speak to what we know our lived

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: experience is.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's so beautiful when a community comes together and says,

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to change the game.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We are cycle breakers.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And you do that with love and respect for the people that came before you,

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: especially the women that came before you.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But you say whatever you sacrificed and however you laid the groundwork for us,

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: we're going to make the most of it.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that cycle breakers.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Write that down, Sabrina.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: I got that down.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_06]: She already wrote it.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_06]: I saw.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_06]: I have a quote of something else when you said you talked about this once

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: before because this I want everybody to get.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_06]: It is not someone talking about what I want to think about that's manifest.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_06]: She is working on this.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_06]: She has this platform already that you can come along and join.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And one of the things you talked about was being able to manifest your dream

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_06]: and achieve your goals.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_06]: And to do that, sometimes you have to lose sight of the shore.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: It was like, whoa, sometimes it gets a little scary out there.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_06]: But this is what this group is about.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_06]: It's about getting scared and doing the deal, doing the work.

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_06]: Do your work.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's it.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So deep.

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You just gave me goosebumps again.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I love that because what I love too is that it's a group.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_04]: There's a we involved because I feel like we as individuals,

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_04]: we're always at our most powerful when we're together,

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_04]: when we work together.

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is the concept behind Sci-Fi Sisters.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: We knew there's four of us.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Not one of us is going to be responsible for everything,

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_04]: nor should we be expected to be.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Because we all have these different talents,

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: we bring them together and we create this one thing that is beautiful.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: And we rely on each other now in a way.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And I love that collective spirit of being because when you're having

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: a hard day, when you don't know which way to go,

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_04]: when you need professional advice or when you need home advice

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_04]: or your head is just spinning because it's just been so much,

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_04]: who do you go to?

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_04]: The world can be an extremely lonely place.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's one of the greatest fallacies of Western philosophy

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: is that you pull yourself up by your bootstraps and do it yourself.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody in the history of anything has ever done a damn thing all

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: by themselves.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: There's always a group of people who are doing things.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: That is so true.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_04]: It is.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And there are no bootstraps when you're barefoot.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: You got that.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_04]: See, there she goes again.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Now that's my turn for the goosebumps.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So many of those turns of phrases

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_00]: are not applicable to every single group.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: But that is literally what made me double down

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: on my manifest your shit journey.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you have the ability to do that.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: No, we don't do that.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a sign of intelligence.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You know how to use words correctly.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the whole ethos behind it as a mantra

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: is because we have to stay aware of your message

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and how it can be so overwhelming with the way

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: the world is to feel like, how can I possibly make good change

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: from where I am?

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's how when you stick to that message

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and you understand that we are responsible

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: for our own private personal community.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have a ripple effect where I'm at.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: You have one, you have one, you have one.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So when you understand that, for me,

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: if you have anxiety or when the fear and the worry

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_00]: kicks in, especially when you're chasing big dreams,

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_00]: like some of that stuff is generational

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're carrying, right?

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It's bags are generational.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: And to rewire your brain to say,

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: for me, my own personal journey

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: will only speak for myself.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_00]: For me to say, when I am bold, when I am dangerous,

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm chasing my biggest ideas,

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be honest.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it comes along with some fear and some worry

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and some anxiety.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to be safe, but that's vestigial.

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing that says,

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you walk across that street, girl,

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you about to get hit by that truck

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: unless you move at a certain clip.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't touch the stove, it's hot.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's that same thing, especially for our communities

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that says keep yourself safe.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So when that is the biggest reason why

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to create a place

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and my mantra became manifest your ship,

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_00]: because when I started to really get

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: into my manifestation bag and my breath work

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and my healing and my meditation,

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I felt so othered just to keep it real

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: when I would go on and look for a space.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: It was never someone I understood.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: It was never someone who came from where I came from.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_00]: It felt so privileged, felt so othered

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that I was like, you know,

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I need something that I could belong to.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I need something that makes me feel like I belong.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And then just, it's who I am to invite others to come along.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: When you talk about losing sight of the shore,

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: especially in the climate today,

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: realizing that immigrants and the people

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that we come from who said,

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to lose sight of every single thing I know

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and every single person I'm familiar with

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: in order to create X, Y and Z for the future.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_00]: That is a bravery and a courage

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that we have the ability to call on.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That is just, that's my whole thing.

[00:13:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So when I get the anxiety and the fear and the worry,

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I just try to remember that.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: That's just the feeling of being in a new part of the woods.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking a risk, I'm doing something new,

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: but I've done it scared before.

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll do it scared now and I'll be okay.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_06]: We just got back from Star Trek Las Vegas.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_06]: We basically experienced this entire conversation.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_06]: We just went through it where we were doing things

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_06]: that each one of us, I think,

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_06]: was just totally terrified at one point

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_06]: during Star Trek Las Vegas

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_06]: because we were doing something

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_06]: that we had not done before,

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_06]: but we were all together and we talked to each other

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_06]: through the just paralysis of you're on next.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But it was the journey that we were supposed to be on

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think that's what got us through it

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_03]: because we knew this was supposed to happen.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_03]: All these things we knew.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_03]: That's Fran told us.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's Fran told us.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Fran manifested this years before.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, just this whole journey.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_06]: Fran actually was the manifestor.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, and there's an old saying,

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: let that sin will turn its mother out.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm writing that down.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_06]: So when we were researching your background

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_06]: and things for this podcast,

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I just felt so simpatico with what you were saying

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_06]: and what you were trying to do

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_06]: and not trying to do but doing.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_06]: And I felt really just,

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_06]: oh my God, I can't wait to talk to you.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_06]: I know we're gonna talk about Star Trek

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_06]: but you always get it back to Star Trek

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_06]: but there's so much else about you

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_06]: and what you're doing that I am so glad

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_06]: to have you here tonight.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you so much.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking like a couple of thoughts

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like as we've been talking,

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_04]: one, I was thinking about how magic it would be for,

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: it must have been for you

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and Sonequa Martin Green to be on that set together

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_04]: because y'all seem very simpatico is the word.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_04]: In outlook and intent,

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: and did you guys mesh like that?

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, was it just like,

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: oh super powers,

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: wonder twin powers activate.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's unbelievable because,

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, I promised God's spirit universe

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna stop saying it was unbelievable.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_00]: It was magical.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It was magical because I had been such a fan of hers

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_00]: especially from the walking dead

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_00]: because to imbue a story with that much heart

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and that much depth as an actor is so important.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I always call it the heart hitters

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_00]: whenever you're doing work,

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: especially when you're in a sci-fi world or a thriller

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: or a world that doesn't always have that much heart.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so important.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So Niko is like the queen of doing that.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm so excited to join

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and then the episode that you saw me in

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_00]: in Star Trek Discovery are some of the most important

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: episodes for that character's journey.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_00]: To go from point A of saying,

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and like I grew up in a Star Trek household.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom when I was little,

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: my mom is a Newfoundlander.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: She's the white person in my biological makeup.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: My father is a West African

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but my mom is the one who would give me Baldwin

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and Toni Morrison and would show me

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and show Nichols to be like,

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the world.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This is what you could be a part of

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and where you come from

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was really, really important.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So knowing that I wanted to be on Star Trek

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and then getting this audition

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and that was actually,

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: so Niko Martin Green was a big part of that

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: because I knew in the audition piece,

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope this isn't breaking the rules

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like the NDA has expired.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Knowing that that's the journey

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_00]: that character is going on.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That was a huge part of my audition piece

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: was the respect and the admiration.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And then for me as a woman of color,

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: a biracial black woman

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to add the extra respect and love

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to see this black woman in space

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's a hero

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's gonna do the right thing.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And she is the one that everybody is looking to

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to make it right.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like it still touches my heart to this day.

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_00]: So being on set and doing the role,

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_00]: it's really unusual to see someone

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: like in the film and TV world

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_00]: to lift the veil a little bit.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been the number one on a production

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: a couple of times now

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and the number one means you are the lead.

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_00]: You have the most lines.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_00]: You have a lot of responsibility.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: First on a call sheet.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, first in a call sheet.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a reason it usually means

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you're making the most money,

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but a lot of responsibility.

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And the times that I've been number one,

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: you see that it's your job

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_00]: to kind of create the culture on a set

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: because you are kind of dictating.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's looking to you

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to see how you're gonna treat everybody

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: from the top of the top of the top

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: down to anybody who's in crew,

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: in background, the day player actors.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So that was one of the greatest things

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: about Sonequa Martin-Green

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: because she carves out that time

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and has this capacity within her soul

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_00]: to give that attention to every single person.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously I was playing the navigator

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: of the enterprise.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was-

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, girl.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you were.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even gonna chop it up,

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but to see how she would do that

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_00]: for every single person

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and on top of that,

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_00]: when I joined the show,

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_00]: she had a very young son.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And she would have her son at work

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and her mom would be at work

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: and would help her.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And she really advocated for creating a space

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: where women could have a balance

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: between their family and their job.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember sitting there

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and we would all be talking,

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: she, me, Rebecca Anson.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I would just like this woman

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: is the kind of woman and mother

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_00]: that I want to be.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanna throw a respect of love.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I think her mom has since passed

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_00]: since we did the show,

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but to see how she would then go to set

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and be boom.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And the director of our episodes

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: was Olatunde Osunsanme,

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_00]: who is absolutely phenomenal person.

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_00]: A friend of mine,

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I consider this man and his mom.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_00]: They're so amazing.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And to see the way,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: like with a precision

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and a tactician that they would go in

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and adjust the performance

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_00]: was one of those moments in my life

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: where I realized,

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: A, you can really just trust yourself

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_00]: to have the scope to do it all.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: And to see that when you're in charge

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: or the number one on a set,

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you can really set the culture

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to be kind, welcoming and curious and excited.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And to know that,

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_00]: she was gonna do all of her leading stuff

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and everybody still wants a piece.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_00]: And she would go around to every single person

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and be like, how are you?

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Who are you?

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get our pictures.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you care about Star Trek?

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just one of those opportunities for me

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_00]: where I could see how you can be a number one.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause on the flip side of it,

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I have been on some sets

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_00]: where the number one is not a Sonequa Martin Green

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and they do not make it a very warm

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and loving environment.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: It gets twit and it gets twit very fast.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Through that.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But also I think it is the legacy

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_00]: of black women in general

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_00]: to have to have that capacity to do it all,

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: make it look easy and do it well.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't we know?

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like, I was sitting here

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_04]: like I'm not like instantly on with the next thing

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: cause I'm digesting all of that.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that was, you know,

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I am like totally eating it up.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And because this conversation already has,

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the best thing that you can,

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: for me that can happen in a conversation

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_04]: when my brain starts popcorning a little bit.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, because there's connections going on

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and that means that there's thought happening

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: in the background.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm thinking like,

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_04]: when you're talking about black women doing it all,

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, thinking about my mother,

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking about all these women

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that I know in my life who, you know,

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_04]: in whatever role they played in the world, right?

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Whether from a teacher to a diva, you know,

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like everybody, like these women had to suit up

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and show up how every day and act like

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the hurts of the world weren't hurting them.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it didn't matter.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and be there for us kids or their partners

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_04]: or whomever, or just themselves.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And usually we're there for somebody else, you know?

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, but it's okay.

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I look, it's just a,

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I think right now I'm pretty emotional.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Same.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think that's what's going on.

[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I mean, I just saw last night

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_04]: a black woman accept the nomination

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: for president of the United States.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Last night was lit.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, let me just tell you.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been in my feelings

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and we're dealing with a lot on a global scale,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: especially if you are in these streets

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and trying to keep abreast of what's going on

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: in the world.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're so used to having that armor on

[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that letting yourself be tenderhearted

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: is a really valiant thing.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what happened last night.

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We've been attacked probably all our lives.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_03]: And then last night we were able to let it down.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I know I have, like I was telling the sisters,

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_03]: we finally made a statement about,

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: a political statement that we never did before.

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And for me, I know last night was,

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a lot.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the emotions were amazing

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: because from 30 years of government service

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't able to tell anybody what my politicals was,

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_03]: how I felt politically,

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_03]: how I felt about my country, that I served.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And last night I could shout it.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I could feel it, I could cry,

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I could clap, I could get up, all of that.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_03]: And like Tamiya said,

[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're all in our feelings

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's new for a lot of us.

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It's really new.

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_03]: We've gotten our feelings because we were angry

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_03]: or we were protecting.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: This is feelings for us as black women

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think we all feel it.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I think when the minute you said that to me,

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I felt it even more.

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_03]: So I get that.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_06]: So Fran and I are of an age where,

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_06]: last night was really something

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_06]: because I remember when Shirley Chisholm was running.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_06]: And in fact, I have a picture of Shirley Chisholm

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_06]: on this laptop that I'm using right now.

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here's holding chair.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_06]: That's it.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_06]: And then the other one was serious.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and the mess that she had to go through

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_06]: and the indignities that they did to her campaign

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_06]: and to see this last night in my lifetime.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_06]: I feel sometimes that it's amazing to me

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_06]: what we've seen.

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, coming from being excited

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_06]: because a black woman was on a TV show.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That was the big thing of our lives.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_06]: We were little that, oh my God, mom,

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_06]: she's not a maid to accepting the nomination

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_06]: for president of the United States.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, I have lived a life.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Jesus.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope you can see my goosebumps.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's like, you're not alone.

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Me too.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It really is.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_00]: So I have a funny story.

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So my sister and I,

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: my father's West African, but he absconded.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then my mom married a wonderful man

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: who I consider my dad and he was from St. Louis.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So my sister and I wanted to do this road trip,

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: a long story short.

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And we started in Detroit, we went through Chicago

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_00]: and one of the places we spent a few days in,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_00]: we spent four or five days in New Orleans.

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I go to this cafe,

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: my sister's upstairs in the hotel room

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and ordering us food.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's this woman,

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: she must've been 60 or 70 years old,

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_00]: this black woman.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And she's looking at me and New Orleans is hot.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you are sticky.

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: So I cannot look at you right now.

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I had this mug tied back.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You're looking at me and she says, what is you?

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And I say, excuse me.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm a young lady,

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: but I knew what she was asking obviously.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a black woman.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I tell her my whole deal.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's about to be her break.

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: She wants to know if I want to sit with her

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_00]: in a kind of God spirit universe,

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever you believe in,

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: worked out perfectly because my sister's upstairs

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_00]: in the room and can go and sit on this bench

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and have this break with this woman, Missy.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, I get so emotional thinking about it.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_00]: She's telling me about the history of New Orleans

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and people like me who were high yellow or mixed race

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and just schooling me on the whole history of New Orleans.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And we're sitting there talking, she's smoking a cigarette

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and she was talking about when Barack Obama

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_00]: had been running for president,

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_00]: her grandmother who raised her

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and the meaning that it had for them at that time.

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And that the night that they did the whole tally

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and Barack Obama was named president

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_00]: of the United States,

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_00]: her grandmother passed away that night.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It was in her living room, her grandmother passed away

[00:27:34] [SPEAKER_00]: and she had her grandmother look at her

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_00]: with a smile on her face.

[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just such a,

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just one of those things you can't explain

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to somebody who doesn't get it.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just been so special.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So the group, Win With Black Women

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_00]: is doing this call every Sunday night.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: You can hop on and you can just hop on.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been so amazing to just feel that feeling

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: and the cool thing about it

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: is no one can take it from us.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_03]: No one, right?

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_00]: No one can take it from us.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_00]: No matter what happens,

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I have all the positivity and the optimism in the world

[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and Kamala Harris deserves to be president

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of the United States.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_00]: But no one can take that from us.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But in this moment,

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always thinking about that woman, Missy,

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_00]: who we sat with and she was like an older black woman

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and just talking about the horrific things

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that had gone on.

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Her entire family was from New Orleans, Louisiana

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and just talking about that power of that moment.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And just this past week,

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I've just been thinking so much about her

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and how much has been resonating

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that her grandmother passed away with a smile on her face

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and just the meaning for her

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_00]: because this woman was 60 or 70

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_00]: at the time that Barack Obama was nominated.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember doing the math and being like,

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, so her grandmother must've been born.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And then when I realized, oh my God,

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: her grandmother was born at a time

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_00]: where within her lifetime,

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_00]: she got to see things go from a plantation era

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: to this man and his wife and his family.

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_00]: And not just, it's not just to me,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: like I know whatever people can say what they want,

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but it's not just checking a box

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: like Barack Obama, Michelle Obama.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We saw it at the DNC.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Those are, they're good people.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They are people of character.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And they, we all, me and my friends were saying,

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I just want to die and have somebody look at me

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the way people in that audience were looking at

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Barack Obama.

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Can you just manifest that?

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Can someone before we die, look at me that way?

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So it makes sense that we're all feeling totally emo.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good.

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_03]: We need it as black women.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We need that.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_03]: We don't get to do this, you know?

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And this is not normal for,

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: unfortunately for black women

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to feel so empowered about themselves.

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_03]: We have like, we're always empowered other people.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been saying, I was like,

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: we're finally getting a piece of the pie.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_03]: We're not just making the pie, you know?

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: We're always doing stuff for other people.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I think when I go to her inauguration, I'm sorry.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, go ahead, Fran.

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, cause you know, I went,

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I went with Barack Obama to his first inauguration

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and it was really, really cold out there.

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And because the Reflecting Boo had ice in it.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But I was telling this lady today, I said,

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but when he came out and they did the thing,

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_01]: we didn't feel cold.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody was cold.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody was cold.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I was standing there and tears were coming down my face.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it, and I wasn't cold.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Later on, I got cold again.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're trying to get out of there.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I'm at the age that I remember

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and I've said this before on the show.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was like four or five years old

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and my guardian had me by the hand

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and we were getting ready to get on the bus.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And she said to me, and she was serious.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: She said, when you get on the bus,

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: always go through the back.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: She actually said that to me

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and she had me by the hand then.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, okay.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But even that young, I'm like,

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering, you know,

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: why are we walking all the way?

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you don't question.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't question our elders then.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't say, well, why?

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but that, you know, in that way.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember that.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And for me to stand there and see a black man

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: take the presidential oath, it was amazing.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And all the cold,

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: and then when Sister Riri sung with the hat,

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, good.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can take that away from us.

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She had that warm coat on too.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember that.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, she had that warm,

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_04]: she did have that warm coat on.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember being out there.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we got out there, like,

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I left,

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_04]: because I only live like,

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean really like 10 minutes away from,

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, I mean, DC is so small.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04]: DC is a really, so I think a lot of people,

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I mean, I just like midtown DC

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_04]: so I can get a lot of places really fast

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_04]: from where I am.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But the subway like took forever.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_04]: And we left my house,

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and I live like a block away from,

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_04]: at that time I lived a block away from the subway.

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And we left my apartment at like seven o'clock

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: in the morning or something.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And it took us like over an hour to get down there

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_04]: because we had to,

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_04]: the subway was so crowded with people.

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: We had to wait for so many trains, you know,

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_04]: to go.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a party.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a party.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Everybody was happy.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't even care, right?

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: It was.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Let me tell you, living in,

[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_04]: people don't know, like living in DC,

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you are used to inaugurations, right?

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Like we've gone through,

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_04]: we've been there, done that.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can always tell the city will be,

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: the city will get depressed or it'll get happy.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: George Bush came into office and it was all of a sudden,

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_04]: all these Texans and cowboy hats

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and cowboy boots started coming in town.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_04]: This city was so damn sad.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_04]: We were depressed as all hell.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, like,

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and then you got Bill Clinton

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_04]: and the city was like, whoo, whoo, yay.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like, so, you know,

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but we've been there, done that.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_04]: But this was unlike anything we'd ever seen before

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_04]: for Barack.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It was amazing.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It was amazing.

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's about to come again, you know,

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_04]: because we go and get this woman in the White House

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and I don't care what you,

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and what you said, you know,

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: about like they can't take that away.

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody can take this away from us, you know,

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: because the detractors are there.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They're fighting so hard.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They are fighting so hard.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know,

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna tell you black people

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_04]: who are listening out there

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and other people who are not black

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: who might be listening out there,

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_04]: just because you're black don't mean you're down.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's some of us that there's some,

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_04]: there's some of us that they have history

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that their history goes back to,

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, the Uncle Toms and stuff

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and the ones who worked in the field

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: who were the overseers and stuff

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and the ones who helped go track down other slaves

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_04]: who were running away.

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And they have a different story.

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And you know what?

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Let them, let them have their story.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine because you know why?

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Cause we got this.

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We got this.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And when you were talking about being lost

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and not being able to see the shore,

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I immediately started thinking about our visits

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: to the National Museum of African-American Art

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: and Culture in Houston.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh wow.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Which I'm sure I got those words mixed up

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_04]: cause I always get that name wrong.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I call it the Black and Black.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, which one is that?

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The Black, yeah, I know.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you mean the Black-Sonian?

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the Black-Sonian.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: The Black-Sonian.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Black-Sonian.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The Blackity Black Museum, the Black-Sonian.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Why did you get that name?

[00:34:54] Okay.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I just went there again recently.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So with my, I took my employees,

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_04]: my staff down, we just took a trip down there.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I always think about when you go to that museum

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_04]: they start you out from the elevator in the basement.

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And there's sounds of waves as you come out onto the floor.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_04]: It's dark and there's these waves crashing sounds.

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you're surrounded by names carved

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: into the walls of slave ships.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And it just goes on for rooms and rooms and rooms.

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And if anybody is familiar with like

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: the Vietnam War Memorial,

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_04]: with the names carved into the wall,

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_04]: it's really similar to that.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you go to other rooms and there's the names,

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the descriptions of the ads of the people

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: who were being sold.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And that goes on for rooms and rooms and rooms.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And you're in the hold of the ship, basically.

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That metaphorically, that's what they have designed

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_04]: this building for you to be like.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And when you were talking about not being able

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: to see the shore, my brain immediately went back

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_04]: to that those people could not see the shore.

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Many of them went ahead and gave their lives

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and jumped overboard rather than being taken captive

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_04]: to this new place and took their children with them.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So those, when I'm not at shore now,

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm always gonna remember that from this conversation

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm gonna remember the spirits of those ancestors

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: in those waves with me and know that it's,

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I got this, cause they got me.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I got some friends that we have already made

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: our reservations, but I did tell one of my best friends,

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, y'all can do what you wanna do,

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but I got somebody that I can stay with.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Her name is Sister Tamir and Sister Sabrina.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I got somebody, y'all can mess around if you want to.

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, that's what I find out.

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I got you, I'll stay.

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We're right here.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_00]: So I get responsible gun shy,

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_00]: cause we saw what happened when we thought

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_00]: the first woman would be made president.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm a very spiritual person

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and I do believe in God and I think everything's working

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and unfolding the way that it's supposed to.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_00]: But it is very, I think, I try to,

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_00]: when I get the anxiety every day

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because I got my heart broken so much at that time,

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_00]: because so many of us believe there's no way

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_00]: this person is going to be president of a country.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way, there's just no way.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think we went through that

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think now people are a lot wiser

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think we really understand,

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: especially like black folks who've been through so much

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: from 2016 to now culturally, globally

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and understanding we have a lot of power.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_00]: We were inside, we were all the way inside

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_00]: when the protests went on and we watched

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: what happened with George Floyd and Sandra Bland

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and it was just one thing after the other.

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Jacob Blake and it was just like,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: whoa, we're not gonna deal with this bullshit

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and we gotta figure out a way to handle our shit

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and we have got to say enough is enough.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think in little silos all over the place

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: people started to really wake up to that.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I honestly do not mean to make it sound trite or small.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been a huge thing but what I see now

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: is I see a lot more, I have a lot more like security

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_00]: on the inside so you're smart.

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my long winded way of saying you're smart.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You have your plans.

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We made plans for Barack Obama when he won Iowa.

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He won Iowa primary and it was months

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and at the end of our team meeting,

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: my team leader said, y'all got anything?

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I said yeah, I need whatever that date was.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I need it.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna have to have that off

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm gonna be at the inauguration

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: this month before the election.

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They had that made.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I was serious and I've got that same feeling now.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I have that same outlook now.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let me tell you,

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_04]: the day that Joe Biden said,

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm withdrawing, I'm endorsing Kamala,

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_04]: boom, the hotels were sold out.

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Sold out?

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That day.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Within hours, within hours.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_04]: That day, my girlfriend, one of my girlfriends,

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_04]: she said, let me get this, she got four hotel rooms.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Does she have no friends that live in DC?

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sure she does.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_04]: She don't want to stay, she's a grown ass woman.

[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She wants her space.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't do that.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_04]: No, thank you.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_04]: She does not.

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_04]: So she was like, no, I got,

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_04]: she said four, she can take her pick

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_04]: of which one's gonna be the best.

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she can get the rest,

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04]: can go to her friends who were looking for a place

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in every hotel in this city

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: and in its surrounding areas is sold out.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: So y'all listening,

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_04]: if you didn't get your room, you are ass out.

[00:39:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have to come and not have a room.

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what's so interesting too

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is I found myself getting so riled up

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_00]: about the whole conversation

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's not been that long

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_00]: since Joe Biden did make this decision

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and this was ready.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And this is what's so beautiful about black women

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_00]: is you don't have to stay ready.

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like already she had people, they were all ready.

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Do not launch a campaign like this

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and have white women for Kamala Harris,

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: bakers for Kamala Harris, chihuahuas for Kamala Harris.

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You have all that if you weren't planning

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and understand the moment that you're in historically.

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_00]: But I would get so riled up

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_00]: when the whole moment was happening

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: with saying, well, she's not even black.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: She's this and she panicked to the community.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And for me as a biracial woman who often has felt,

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I don't belong over here.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm never white enough in my industry

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_00]: in the acting world,

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: not white enough to check a box to play a white person.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_00]: But then sometimes and justifiably so

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: sometimes an actor should be blacker

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: than I am to be representative in certain roles.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But then there are other times

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: that when you talked about Shirley Chisholm,

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_00]: one of my mentors is Janine Sherman-Berwa

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_00]: who was one of the most prolific writer,

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_00]: showrunners in Hollywood, a black woman.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_00]: She's amazing.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: She was just in the Hollywood Reporter

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_00]: for her support behind Kamala Harris.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: When I did the Kings of Napa with them,

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_00]: which Oprah Winfrey produced,

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I was so nervous to do the audition.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And this woman is described as this powerful doctor,

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: this black woman and all those feelings

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_00]: of not being black enough came up.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, you see Oprah Winfrey's name,

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Janine Sherman-Berwa, Oscar winner, Matthew Cherry.

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do this audition.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna see what happens.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: And then joining the cast and hearing

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in the first table, we read you know,

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_00]: an Oprah Winfrey and a Janine Sherman-Berwa wanna know

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: like how you brought that character to life

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and choosing where she comes from

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and how does she sound.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And knowing that it is their mandate

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: to amplify the spectrum of blackness

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that includes somebody like me.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, biracial black.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And you look at me and I'm very ambiguous.

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So I felt so riled up in the conversations

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: but come up around Kamala Harris

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and so triggered and it was so lovely

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: to see people say you can't have it both those ways.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You can't say that she's not black enough

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_00]: when she is vying for the most powerful position

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: ostensibly in the world,

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: but then you want to exclude her from certain access

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and certain privilege than she is a black woman.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it was so beautiful to see how culturally

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_00]: because we have a long way to go in the world

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and to eradicate racism,

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: especially for women of color, women in general.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_00]: But to see that moment of people come together

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and saying, you're not pulling that crap.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not pulling that crap

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and trying to disavow this powerful block of people,

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_00]: black people, black women especially

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: who are saying this moment means something to us

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and you aren't gonna pull your little bull crap

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_00]: on us in this moment.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Was for me too like a huge moment of saying

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe we're reaching that place

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_00]: of understanding what a nuanced diversity is.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause I wrote a piece for the Toronto Star

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_00]: from Black History Month about nuanced diversity.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And so to come into that place

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and see that understanding and the excitement

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_00]: makes me like, y'all are gonna F around

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and find out I'm so excited.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, go ahead Sabrina.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_06]: No, I was, I'm just, my head is spinning

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_06]: but I really do want to bring it back

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_06]: to you just said something that you just wrote a piece

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_06]: like so just drop that.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Did you just drop that?

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Right, I know right.

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I just wrote a piece for the Toronto Star

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, no big deal.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_06]: Because this is a multi-hyphenate here.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_06]: And I wanted to talk more about you as a writer

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_06]: and a producer and soon to be a director, I understand.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, can you tell us more about that?

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_06]: I can't wait.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: So much, I love you all so, so much.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We're putting a witness on me

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_00]: as only women in our community can.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I have decided and for a long time, you know

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: the power comes from writing your own projects

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and you see like Issa Rae and Quinta Brunson say,

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you know I'm an actor and also in my time

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_00]: in this industry, I want to create my own story.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_00]: So for a while I've been thinking

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to do that and I started writing

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and always my stories center women

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and black women's voices

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm very excited and keen to usurp stereotypes

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_00]: about what you think you know about us.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: So I got a green light recently

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: my first green light for a series.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You are getting me exclusive.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I've not come out in the trades yet.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Hearing it here first.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Hearing it here first with the Sci-Fi sisters,

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I am, I've created written,

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna star in and direct this four part mini series

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: for the Canadian company Bell.

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's really nice because I have a slate

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_00]: of character driven projects for film and TV

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm developing through my production company

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Hold One Entertainment

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and they're all uplifting empowering stories

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that really do center breaking the cycle in our communities

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: but not necessarily from a really morose or tragic

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_00]: or a trauma lens.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: The lens really is that I think women

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: especially women of color now in this moment

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in our history have realized that we have

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the opportunity to heal our communities,

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to heal our families, to move forward.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Like for me in my life,

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_00]: my mother is one of my best friends and she's young

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: my mom is in her 50s,

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: but I know I'm a cycle breaker.

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_00]: So we talk all the time about those things.

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And just tonight actually, we were talking about

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_00]: the bags that were given to her

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_00]: and how she's on doing that.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm the cycle breaker in my family's

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: all of the stories for the Hold One Entertainment

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: slate center on that.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We have a mystery crime thriller series

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: about missing and murdered women of color

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_00]: black women along the lines of disorder.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Happy ending because all three need to be needlessly bleak

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and that incorporates some of my

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: West African culture as well.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_00]: But the series that I got a green light for

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: is a rom-com that centers a woman of color

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_00]: a biracial woman and her interracial parents

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and the black family.

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I basically wrote that the black father

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: as a homage to my dad who showed up on the scene

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_00]: with this white woman and he's too wild haired

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_00]: next to me like lady, I'm gonna have to help you

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with these children and just came in.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_00]: My dad, Cleopas Jerome Peebles who came in.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just four years old.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm gonna love these kids

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and their whole family embraced us

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's a rom-com and it's nice to see

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_00]: a character of color just get to explore romance

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's an adult coming of age.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've been told so often in the world

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_00]: that by a certain age you have to have

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: certain boxes checked.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to have your life figured out.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think what we're realizing now

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_00]: especially for women of color and black women is

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_00]: those rules don't apply.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_03]: No.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Those rules don't apply.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on my own timeline.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We are on our own timeline because we have a whole scope

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_00]: of stuff that we are dealing with.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And they tried to come,

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_00]: now we'll circle it back to Kamala Harris.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_00]: They tried to come for this woman,

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_00]: buddy whatever his name is saying that,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: oh if you don't have children,

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't know X, Y, Z.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't put your little bull crap on.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That's really the main message of the story is

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_00]: for me in my 30s, like giving women the permission

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_00]: to not have to have everything figured out.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Let go of the pressure of having to have checked

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_00]: certain boxes because those rules don't apply to us

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_00]: because they never did.

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And then she gets to of course kiss

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_00]: this beautiful Idris Elba style man

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and then she's got her little,

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Brad Pitt kind of character in the cut

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and we're gonna see who she's gonna cut.

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh I love a triangle.

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I love it.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Sabrina loves a triangle.

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Come on now.

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Brad and Idris, oh my gosh.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Tuning in, waiting, got my popcorn ready.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't wait.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the multi-python bag that I am in at the moment

[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm just excited because we talked about

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the coming home community

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and the coming home journey at the beginning

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_00]: which is just, and obviously not to get super heavy

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but the show, the Kings of Napa that I was on,

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_00]: there's this line that this character has,

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_00]: the black patriarch of the family

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and he says to his kids,

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_00]: what I want you to be able to have is some rest

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and to just chill.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's how I read.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I love that scene.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Like honestly, even in the table read,

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_00]: hearing it, we were all like in tears

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's really meaningful

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's one of those things

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_00]: that if you're gonna be an ally

[00:48:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't understand where we come from

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and you don't understand what happened to us,

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that's okay but be an ally and show up

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and do your work, do your research

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's not my job to teach you

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but a moment like that is so powerful

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's what the coming home journey will teach you

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: is that you don't have to have it all figured out.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You can just have trust and I can have faith

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and say, and not just my black ancestors,

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Newfoundland as a part of Canada that joined,

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: my uncle was the premier that brought Newfoundland

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_00]: into the confederation to join Canada.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Newfoundland was just like its own island.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Being so poor, like Martin Luther King Jr.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_00]: really understood that he would talk about the class issue

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and the poverty as being the really main, main issue

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and to know that no matter where you come from,

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_00]: no matter what happened to you,

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you have the right to manifest your dreams

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and to just say that we owe ourselves a cycle breaker

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_00]: is just to say I'm gonna have a little bit of trust,

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna have a little bit of surrender

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and for me personally, some more small,

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: my legacy is not to worry and fret all the time.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard, it's so hard.

[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It is, girl.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Girl.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_03]: We've gotta get there.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, trust right and trust it.

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sitting here thinking like the generations of women

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: that are on this Zoom right now, right?

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm thinking about my mother's generation,

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_04]: then I'm thinking like Sabrina and Fran

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_04]: cause my mother's a little bit older

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and Sabrina and Fran and then me and Yvette

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and now you and I'm like listening to this woman

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_04]: who is the youngest of us all

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm thinking about all that you've learned

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: from the women who came before you

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_04]: but what you're teaching us right now.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: We say that a lot, yeah.

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we do.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like here I am 53 years old

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and I need to hear the words that you just spoke.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_04]: They're very healing.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_04]: We did not come up with these ideas

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_04]: as being acceptable in any way, form or fashion.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: We have a lot of unlearning to do.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's a beautiful thing to see the women

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: who are coming after us though,

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_04]: know this and know these truths and embrace them

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and look at us like you crazy girl,

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: like come on, what you holding onto that for?

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, right.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Because of what they have seen us go through.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's just a beautiful, beautiful moment.

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I personally never think you are crazy girl.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm always thinking what made us this way

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and I actually just wanna like myself a little bit.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I just wanna like myself a little bit while I'm here

[00:51:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and actually realize that I'm worthy of that love

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and as I am in this exact moment

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and I can't remember who mentioned it earlier.

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it, I can't remember who it was

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but someone on this call was saying

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_00]: how we take care of everybody else.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just talking to one of my dear friends

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_00]: who is one of my co-stars on the Kings of Napa,

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yanni King-Monshine,

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_00]: who is the most self-possessed fabulous black woman

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_00]: on the planet.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: This is amazing.

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_00]: And we were just talking yesterday

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_00]: about when you grow up as young girls,

[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_00]: young black girls, young women of color

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and young girls, I'm sure in general,

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_00]: the affirmations you get for being able to handle it

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and being a good girl and being able to take the lead

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of that messaging that we received

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like just yesterday, less than 24 hours ago

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we were talking about this.

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It just makes you so incapable of asking for help

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're constantly being the savior for others

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and never the saved.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think like that shift that we're going through

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_00]: because I have a lot of intergenerational friendships.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I have a lot of intergenerational friendships

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_00]: so I'm glad that you put a witness on that, Tamiya,

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_00]: that learning and hearing from the women

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_00]: that come before you and saying,

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_00]: oh wow, okay.

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's how that worked.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it worked.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And like my grandmother didn't have her own credit card.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Neither did mine.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_03]: A long ago.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it makes us convinced.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Really, neither did my mother.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, my mother couldn't either.

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that wasn't until the 70s.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember when I got one.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_06]: I remember.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we were just coming out of school

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_06]: and it was like, I can get a credit card?

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_06]: My father, I remember when I bought my first home

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_06]: and my father couldn't believe that I got the mortgage

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_06]: and signed the papers and did the whole thing by myself.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_06]: He goes, you don't need me to co-sign something for you?

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, no daddy, I don't.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_06]: I just want you to come down and see the house.

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, wait what?

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Wait what?

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_06]: I will never forget the look on his face

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_06]: when I told him I did it all and I had the house,

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I had the keys, let's go, let's look at it.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_06]: He was so proud of me.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sprinkling you but I'm sprinkling me too.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was like 80, that was like 89.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_06]: And it was a big deal because I was single.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I had no husband.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_06]: And that's the kind of thing, like you say now,

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_06]: my generation, my dad was a homeowner.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_06]: So I was like, well, I could be a homeowner

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_06]: because he owns the house.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I said, why are you so surprised

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_06]: that I'm owning the house, dad?

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_06]: He's like, because you're the girl.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, oh, oh, that's how it goes.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_06]: But he never, my parents never treated me like that.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_06]: Like I couldn't do something.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: That's why.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I had that mother that left her country

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_06]: and came here.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_06]: Never saw her home again.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, never, I always think of how crazy

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_06]: that what I always tell her,

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_06]: every time she said I had a crazy boyfriend,

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_06]: I was doing something crazy.

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_06]: I say, you left your country for this man.

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_06]: You got on a ship and came all the way over here

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_06]: for some brother that had sent you a couple of letters.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Letters.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Look, say nothing, mother.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Those are some good letters.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Very, very good.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_06]: With her to the grave.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: So I.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Men today need to learn from your father

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and those letters because men today

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_00]: have a serious problem.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Not my lover, my lover is fabulous.

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I just say it.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_00]: From women.

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_00]: My partner is our production company.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_00]: He's playing the Idris Elba type in this series.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love that.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Like.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Nah.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Brethren-nated brother like.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Call a glass of water.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and that's a part of the representation too

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_00]: because a lot of the times when you watch rom-coms

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_00]: or some of the networks that are known

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_00]: for having romance stories,

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_00]: you so rarely see people of color or black men

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_00]: or a solid black family unit on a show.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, black love.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You need more black love.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw that.

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_01]: She's the best friend.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Best friend of the protagonist.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Of the person.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's me.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_06]: You saw Ronnie Rowe from Discovery.

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_06]: We saw him at the con last weekend

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_06]: and I just remember screaming when I saw him

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_06]: because he had played a black prince

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_06]: in a Hallmark movie.

[00:55:56] Why?

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_05]: If I could not get over it,

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I could not get over it.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_05]: So I kept saying like,

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: you put the Christmas prince

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_05]: but they finally had a prince

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_05]: that was black in a Hallmark movie.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what I'm saying?

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He just smiled.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_06]: He said he did smile.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, after I stopped screaming, yeah.

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_06]: I guess, yeah, he did.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Ronnie Rowe is one of my boys.

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I've been friends with him for like a decade.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: We started together.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_00]: We are both Sagittarius

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: as Ronnie Rowe was born a couple of days after me.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_00]: We always joke about that.

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_00]: He's a phenomenal person.

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: So it makes total sense

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that you would fangirl when you meet him

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's what I'm saying is

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_00]: you just want to trust that trust thing

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that keeps coming back up for us goes both ways.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_00]: It's on us to trust that God's Spirit has our backs

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but also to trust the audience

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_00]: that the audience will find these stories

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that you can have those stories where you have,

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: we can believe.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the movie,

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_00]: the Cinderella movie with Brandy?

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we did a show on it.

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_00]: We actually did a shadow on it.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of my favorite movies.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: That was one of my favorite movies.

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Bridgerton, what Shonda Rhimes is doing,

[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_00]: like just trust the audience

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and our imagination can go to that place.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We can turn it up.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I love Queen Charlotte.

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I've looked at it twice.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I love that series.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I actually like it too.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Queen Charlotte is dope.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love that.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't really care for Bridgerton

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_03]: but Queen Charlotte was good.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I was about to say,

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I like Queen Charlotte more than I like Bridgerton.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_04]: By far.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Bridgerton, I love the representation and everything.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I could do without all the sex.

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Whatever, I could take it or leave it.

[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_03]: She's not speaking for everyone.

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I could just take it

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_04]: or leave it for the story.

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying it's not nice to look at and everything.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Yay, yay, whoop-de-doo.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_04]: She's a writer.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: She's like.

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as we were gay, he's very, very nice.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yes, he is.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_04]: But let me tell you,

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_04]: go back to Ronnie right quick.

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Who was also very nice.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: He surprised us in Star Trek Las Vegas.

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: He came over to the table and he's like,

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_04]: was it, were you guys calling me?

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I called calling you.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That was the time when we were calling you, right?

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So first he comes over to the table.

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like taps me on the shoulder and I turn around

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm like, how can I help?

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, hey, how you doing?

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: He's like, it's me.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like standing there like, it's me.

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And we're like, I'm like, oh shit.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And then I'm like, everybody's talking

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_04]: to other people at the table.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, Fran, Fran.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't there yet.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_04]: No, you weren't there yet.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_04]: No, it was like, Fran's like what?

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, turn around.

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, ah.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and then we're like, we gotta get Sabrina.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm like trying to gather the sisters

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_04]: from all the corners of the hall.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And everybody's like what?

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, look.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, oh.

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But he was so sweet and so kind and just a doll.

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what a great spirit he's got.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Like he just.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Hugged us and hugged us and hugged us.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And I loved it.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hugged us from behind and was like.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_04]: All the aunties were swooning.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes we were.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_00]: We know and love Barney Robe in this household

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's pretty much all I can say about that.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And we gonna let it be right there.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Right there.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Crazy.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I was mad enough, thank you.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And anytime you see a project where for me personally,

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_00]: we all have those moments where there's must see TV

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and you are tuning in to watch a specific thing.

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But then sometimes you're just like,

[00:59:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I've made a little dinner.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanna sit down.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I wanna watch something.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what yet.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: What is it gonna be?

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_00]: For me whenever you're flicking through

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and you see actors of color, especially black actors,

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: whether I recognize them, their household names or not,

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that's gonna be the click for me.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the click.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And you wanna trust audiences

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: because then when you have a good story

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and you watch and you're like,

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: oh this brother's very smoldery.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_06]: We have been high on a series called Supercell.

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_00]: You too?

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: The whole is great.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all the things we love.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's got the sci-fi, it's got the story.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: The love, the everything.

[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I just announced they're getting season two.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_06]: It's obvious.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Got the green light.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: They got it.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_04]: We were gonna be apoplectic if they didn't.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_04]: They would have heard from some sisters.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I just hate the way it ended.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: It's not over.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I keep thinking it's not over.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm good, I'm good.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're gonna bend time

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and go in and figure that out because

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you know it's so funny me as a very headstrong woman

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and I would call myself a feminist,

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever connotations that word has.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_00]: My partner would say,

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: why didn't she just get in the car and listen to this

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_00]: man?

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't she just listen to this man

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: as a woman that's your man?

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna leave.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_00]: No, she was.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Not Dion.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Nope, nope, nope, nope.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you, Sabrina.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that there's gonna be some time.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: There's something.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah but.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_06]: We gotta turn time back.

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, there's time travel involved now.

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Something's gonna happen.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_06]: Listen, I still believe that Hemmer is alive.

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_06]: I know in my heart the lie on that frozen planet.

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Hemmer is gonna come back.

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Hemmer is gonna come back.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: It always comes back to Star Trek.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: It always comes, first of all,

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: know your audience, it always comes back to Star Trek.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that.

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It really does though.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly there are so many life lessons.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it might sound cheesy

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but there are so few shows

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that will have a life lesson for you

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and you were mentioning earlier to turn on TV,

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to go from the position of turning on TV

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: in a huge moment would be to see somebody

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: who looked like you or could be like you

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_00]: who's on TV in a leadership role

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: and to be where we are now.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That meant something.

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was born in the late 80s

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and there weren't so many examples of that

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm so grateful that my mom would try

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and always find those examples

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: to say here are the books,

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: here are the shows, here are the movies.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was quite young when I watched a film

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: called Much Ado About Nothing.

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: With Denzel?

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Denzel?

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Denzel?

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: My my girl.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Denzel makes his entrance in that film.

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There's absolutely nothing like it.

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no one ever like it.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Isn't.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom showed me that movie

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's how I know that when your shorts get hot

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: when you're little,

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but you just know what scene you're gonna play for

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: because Sir Denzel Washington

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: walked into most of those cool-lot things

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and had that swag and that attitude

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm just like who is that?

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_06]: We were like what is going on here?

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: He even rode a horse sexy.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like oh my God.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yes he did, yes.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_06]: If you have not seen Much Ado About Nothing.

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I was a mere child.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I tell every friend of mine

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: if you have not seen Much Ado About Nothing

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and you claim to like Denzel Washington

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't know what you're saying

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: but that's when I was in my childhood

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: where I knew okay I don't know what he's doing

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: but I'm into it

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and my mom would then show me Denzel Washington films,

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Cry Freedom and you just watch and be like oh.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Cry Freedom wow.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Cry Freedom.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So it really does matter when you're watching stuff

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: whether it's a Star Trek

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_00]: or a Much Ado About Nothing.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you're watching

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_00]: you see someone who looks like your family

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: who looks like the people in your lives,

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: looks like you and you're like holy

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: it just does something

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: even if you're too young to know what it's doing

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: it does something.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: It does.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if you're too young

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: because what it does when you're young

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_04]: is it normalizes it for you.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And then you realize like oh it's not a question

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_04]: of whether or not I can do it

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and we did a show, one of our earlier shows

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: and we were talking about the effect of

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_04]: no it was for Ho-Foko for Trek Talks

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and we were talking about Nichelle Nichols

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and was it for Ho-Foko?

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_04]: We were talking about the generations

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like how she affected each of us

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: in our generations.

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes it was.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah.

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I was talking about like by the time I was born

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I was born in 71

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so I was watching Star Trek and Syndication

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: in the mid 70s, late 70s

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and what she did for me was just normalize the fact

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_04]: like of course there would be a black woman on the bridge

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_04]: it just made it seem like it wasn't an exception.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what it does when you're getting that knowledge

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: when you're young, you don't have a problem with it.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: As Sabrina and I were going

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a black woman, a black woman, what?

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: And so beautiful the style, the hair, the makeup

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the whole thing was just a vibe.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: She was articulate, she was smart

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and the guys listened to her.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know she was communication officer at the time

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: but they was listening to her.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, they're listening to her.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a really big deal.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that men in this space listening to her

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: because there's as much progress as we've made

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: we're still in that place where

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you see the pendulum swing the other way

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and there are people who fight against changing progress

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and you're just like, are y'all fools still trying to do this?

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, get a grip.

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: We know what's going on.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, even like in our daily lives,

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: like bosses and have some say

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: in what happens during the day at work

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_04]: and you get who questions me questioning all the time.

[01:05:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Like this is the directive.

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what I need you to accomplish today.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Why?

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Wouldn't it be better if I did it this way?

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: What?

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_04]: No, this is not a debate.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what needs to be done.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Talk about those mentors that you have.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned before one of my mentors

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: is Janine Sherman-Baroque who created Claws

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and Madam CJ Walker and the kids.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Love Claws.

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Love Claws is good.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: So good.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And the big cigar that's currently on Apple TV

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and her company is called Folding Chair Productions

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: because of Shirley Chiseltin.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: That's her inspiration.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Bring your folding chair to the table

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: if they don't pull a seat up for you.

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But I remember walking across the Warner Brothers lot

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: with Janine and just the project

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that I've recently got greenlit

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_00]: was just in its gestation stage.

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I was pitching it, I was writing it

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and she was very graciously looking at my script

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and gonna give me notes as a good one.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh nice.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_00]: She's written, if you look at this woman's IMDB,

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_00]: she is a prolific writer.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_06]: And- It's crazy.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, oh my God, you know her?

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And to be generous like that and say,

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, you're a woman of color,

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you're on the come up making your own projects,

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna peel off this time for you.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, look, we're talking about

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: when Huey P. Newton's widow

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: is coming to the Warner Brothers lot

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to pre-screen the episodes of The Big Cigar.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a big moment in her life.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was just kind of lamenting

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_00]: about imposter syndrome.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you need somebody to just check you

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like a reality check kind of a way.

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: And she just looked at me,

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like, we don't do that here.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha.

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Not I understand, you know, we all go through it

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: because certainly in her journey,

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: she has gone through that.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_00]: We're all human, we all do.

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_00]: But she was just telling me we don't do that here.

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_06]: She's erasing it for you.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: In a loving way.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And so now that gift passed on for me,

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: she paid it forward.

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Because when I'm sitting here in my work,

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm not on set,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm not doing fancy things

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: that I'm here just creating,

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that reverberates in my brain

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_00]: is that is a black woman

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: who has not only made it to the station,

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: she has made it to in her busy life

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is literally in The Hollywood Reporter the other day,

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_00]: showing up for Kamala Harris,

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_00]: like creating stories about and for black people

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and said to me like that reverberates my brain.

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't even give that airtime.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Boy, that's right.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: She is huge.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's funny because her show Claws

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_06]: is what got me to create my alter ego,

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_06]: the cinnamon cinephile.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Why?

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Claws is really?

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know that.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Claws, yeah.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_06]: Well, why would you know that?

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Cause we know you for like how many years now.

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Like you would think we knew the origin story.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_06]: We were watching the interview of the cast of Claws

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_06]: and you know, we were all about it.

[01:08:41] [SPEAKER_06]: My friend Angela and we were just like,

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_06]: this show is the best show.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God, where is this show coming from?

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_06]: And the interviewer was so bad

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_06]: that we wanted to choke them, you know?

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_06]: And we were just really losing interest in the interview

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_06]: of these black women.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_06]: And he was, and it was a black man as a matter of fact,

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: but he was just so hard on this one question

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_06]: that he wanted to ask one of the stars.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_06]: She had dated Chris Brown.

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_06]: He couldn't get past us.

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Of all the things that they were doing.

[01:09:14] [SPEAKER_06]: God, what?

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_06]: She kept asking about Chris Brown

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_06]: and I'm like, oh my God.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_06]: And my friend said to me,

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_06]: well, if you hate it that much,

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_06]: why don't you do it yourself?

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_06]: And we sat there and I said,

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_06]: well maybe I just will become somebody

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_06]: that interviews people.

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Cause I come up with some better questions

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_06]: than this fool right here.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_06]: That there and we brainstormed

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_06]: and we came up with the name,

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_06]: the cinnamon cinephile

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_06]: and that I was gonna do all this stuff with movies

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_06]: and low and behold, here we are manifesting.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_06]: But it was Claws.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_06]: It was that show.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_06]: And I never put it together until we just,

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_06]: we were just having this conversation.

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_06]: I was like, you know what?

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I want to know what that is,

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: where that came from.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And then look at that.

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The universe just landed a plan for me.

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But that was like, honestly,

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: people don't talk about that enough, I think.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_00]: And especially in our community,

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I try and make it a point to talk about money

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_00]: when I'm working on a project

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and find out what are you making?

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I'm making.

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Cause we were taught so much

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to keep that as like hush hush.

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that was just to keep us, you know.

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_06]: So we didn't know how little we were making.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I found out some things.

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I have found out some things

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: since having transparency in that area.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But the other reason why I like to talk about mentors

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_00]: is not just a flex

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: cause I have one of the coolest ones in the world,

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but also because I think we need to know

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: how important that is to find people

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: who have been where you're trying to go

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_00]: and doing the thing that you're doing.

[01:10:45] [SPEAKER_00]: So to create those kinds of worlds.

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not a surprise to me

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: that at the time I wasn't even gonna tape

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_00]: because I thought there's no way I belong in this world.

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not black enough for this woman.

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: And to say, I'm gonna just step up to the plate

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and regardless of the fear I'm feeling,

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna do my very best and see what happens.

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And then to be having a conversation

[01:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: with someone like that

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and to hear that Oprah Winfrey's mandate

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: and all of these amazing prolific black creators

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and leaders are saying

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: that we wanna show the spectrum of blackness.

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And then the moment we're in history right now

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: is saying that we are claiming our stuff.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is our motive.

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_06]: With our own production companies,

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_06]: with our own showrunners,

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_06]: with GoL, showrunner.

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: With everything, with everything.

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Everything, everything.

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_00]: The global landscape of the world

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_00]: that from my house I'm watching the speeches at home

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm feeling the emotions

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_00]: that so many different people are feeling

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: because that feeling that I have

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have, that you have, that you have,

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: that you have no one takes.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: No one takes.

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_00]: The private conversations I've had

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: to hear from someone to say,

[01:11:44] [SPEAKER_00]: no, my God, you're Mariah Carey, you belong.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: It's huge.

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a big deal to say to somebody else

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: who feels like an outsider

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: or who feels like they don't belong.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_00]: And that is why a Star Trek is so important.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It says in this world,

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in this place black people belong.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: That's perfect.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_04]: See, that's the bow on top, right?

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the cherry.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_04]: This is what, that's the perfect place

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_04]: because you're, it's everything.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why we exist.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She brought it around.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_04]: My girl, right back to Star Trek.

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_04]: At the Star Trek.

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But we wanna thank you so much for that.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like honestly, like we really could talk.

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I feel like we know you now,

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_04]: like and we love you.

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and I'm really looking forward

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to a time when we can actually meet each other

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_04]: in person and do it.

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_06]: At the inauguration.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Right?

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We gotta meet up.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about that,

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: how my sister and I,

[01:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: how we're gonna put wheels to a pavement

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and get there.

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know people in DC now,

[01:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: if you can't find a hotel room.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not the kind of girl who hates to impose on anybody,

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: but I am a lovely house guest

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and I bring three people.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Plan B, that's okay.

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: And when this woman became vice president,

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I shed tears on that day.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's right.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: We sure did.

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I sure did.

[01:13:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Same.

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: She was definitely qualified.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_03]: That is the thing.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She's whole qualified.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: 120%

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even gonna go off on like the craziness

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_04]: that I was watching after the inauguration

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: and people talking about,

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, like what did she present presidential

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: and does she have enough qualifications?

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like anyway.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_04]: You shouldn't either.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Don't watch that stuff.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't.

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I turned it off.

[01:13:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was just on like

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_04]: before I could get to the remote and turn it off.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They got it in too quick for you.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They got it in too quick.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Whether they're your own family or not.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I,

[01:13:45] [SPEAKER_00]: to protect your peace is such a valuable part of

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_00]: my personal legacy.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm in that place now where,

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's not my job to teach you

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: if you're so unwilling to learn

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: because we get 40 minutes talking about it.

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And the cool thing about this win with black women

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: call they do every Sunday night

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: is they give you PES

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of this woman's accomplishments and all.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not trying to hear that.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not gonna get into the mud with you

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_00]: because you wanna have another conversation

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm not with that.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_06]: That is such a powerful call every Sunday.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_06]: It is.

[01:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the PD.

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you have allies like my Baldwin giving mother,

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_00]: like my mom is turning 60 this year actually

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and I'm taking her to France and she doesn't-

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I hope she's not listening to this before it comes out.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She knows we're going to France.

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't know that we're going to Baldwin's home

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_00]: in St. Paul, Devon.

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, wow.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and I am obsessed with Baldwin.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, his writing is like a friend.

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_00]: If I feel down or sad,

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you go back to reading a little bit of Baldwin.

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's just what it's gonna be.

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna go and I'm gonna take her there.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: And I got so excited about that story

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_00]: about how we're gonna go there

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: because I've never been

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that I forgot the plane that I was landing.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But the main point is-

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's probably gonna be some cool stuff.

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_06]: It's gonna have birthdays this year

[01:15:11] [SPEAKER_06]: so there's probably gonna be more stuff there

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_06]: and it's gonna be great.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God, you're amazing.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm so grateful that you said yes,

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_04]: you wanted to be on the show

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and that you came and spent this time with us.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And then, so other people can know you

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_04]: in a more fuller context.

[01:15:29] [SPEAKER_04]: We start, we Trekkies,

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_04]: it's all about the Trek a lot of times

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: but one of our jobs is to bring people out

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in a fuller light.

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's been wonderful talking to you.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we're all friends now.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I could stay for hours.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You got it already but your aunties are telling you

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: don't you ever let anybody tell you that you're not.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Anytime those anxieties come out

[01:16:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you know you got four new gals which got your back.

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: We have it on record here that you've said.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not joking, my sister and I were just talking

[01:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: about it like especially after the official accepting

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: of the nomination I was like this is super real.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have a foe, I think we know now.

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So we need to be making more plans.

[01:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually gonna have to get a real sleeper couch.

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes you are.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I can't sleep on that couch no more.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I know, I know, I hadn't expected.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay Sabrina, let me pay for Vegas first

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_04]: and then like but nope.

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_06]: Get the guests to Coach Amance fixed here

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_06]: in these apartments.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't tell your other friends.

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a fabulous cook and just like I made lemon pepper

[01:16:54] [SPEAKER_00]: sesame tofu chicken.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a plant-based eater

[01:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: but I know how to make delicious food.

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I will do whatever it takes.

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[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You see how that works?

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