Elias Toufexis: Trekkie to the Face of the Breen

[00:00:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody, welcome to the SyFy Sistas podcast where we give you our

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: recent history you've heard his voice. Okay, I'm not even going to go through the whole list

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_02]: because it's like ridiculously long. The man has been leads everywhere. He's a, what is

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_02]: a performance capture artist? He's an incredible actor. He's an incredible voice actor.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a director. He's a writer. The man does everything. He's super talented. But we

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: trekkies, we know him and we love him. We're main role that we love is lock for season

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: of time. Yes, Star Trek Discovery. We're talking about if you haven't guessed it none other than

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Elias Toufexis. Welcome to the show. Yeah. Hi. Hi. Only time I cried when the villain died.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right. Yeah. What's good? But he's not a, he's not a villain. He wasn't a villain at

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_00]: that point. He turned it that point. He did try to kill an entire village of innocent

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_03]: people. There was a man as evil. Yeah. But you know, before we get to, uh, uh, that

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I like Cole. Oh, man. How cold. Like, cold. So I was interesting story about it. I'm

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting story about that if you want me to tell you yes we do please, please,

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's so. So I'm a giant cold is the character I played on the third episode

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_00]: of Discovery altogether. Uh, the first character I played on the show and I'm a giant

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Star Trek fan as you all know and I was living in Toronto at the time. And first I hear

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that they're making a new Star Trek show. So I'm already freaking out and I'm really excited.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Then I hear their shooting in in Toronto. So now I'm getting emails from family and like

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: their shootings. You know, much of a Star Trek, the shooting in Toronto and you live

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: there. Like immediately on the phone to my agent, I call in and I said, you gotta get

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: me on the show. Now that point in my career, I didn't even still like I had a kind of

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: a rule. I have to have a rule where I'm at the point in my career where I do guest

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: on above. I guess if you guest or recurring or something big so I'm not, uh, you know,

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have time to just do the tiny rows anymore. I just can't afford it. Um,

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_00]: so I said to the my agent, you gotta get me on. You gotta get me on the show and to his credit.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: He, uh, he got me in audition and it said guest star. Right? That's what it said on the

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: audition. So I auditioned for it. Got the role. Of course, the audition sides,

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: they've, the script that they give you are not what the actual show is. Right.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It does have security reasons, especially when it first was starting. It's a very, very specific.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_00]: So I went in an audition and I didn't know what it was, but but I did well enough that I got

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_00]: a role. I was so excited. I was so happy. I remember being, I should have,

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was grocery shopping with my agent called me. There's some reason it's seared in my head.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that I had like a box of mac and cheese for my kids. And I was like, oh, I'm going to be on

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: start trying to freaking out. And he's like, when you get home, they'll send you the script.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: And I get home and they send me the script and I was only in the first 10 pages.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I looked at it and I said, are they sending me like, half the script?

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Is there more to this? And he's like, no, no, that's it. And I said, that's not really a guest star.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_00]: It was barely a guest star. For me at this point I'd done supernatural episodes and small

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: of the episodes where I'm like, the guest star is the bad guy of the week or the week or whatever.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where my mind went. And it was not that at all. And so I actually tried to get out of it.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I said to myself, well, I don't want to burn myself on the show. At that time it was the only show

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: trick show. I said, oh, I burned myself on the show for the small role. Uh-huh. A role I would normally not

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: take. Yeah. And you know, through a bunch of different conversations with casting and with my

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: agent, they said, look, we this show just came to town. I can't offer an actor a role. And then

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: the actor backs out. It's going to make us look bad and it's like, okay, all right, I'll do it. And then

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_00]: I agreed to do it. I wasn't happy about it. There were goods and better places and minuses,

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: goods and beds. The the good was an equal. Because my stuff was with her. From jump from day,

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: whatever was two weeks in, she was the best. Yeah. Like already the best, right? I was like,

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I love this girl. So I was very glad to be working with her and it's super sweet. And we actually

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: stayed in touch after that a little bit. And she's very, very, and like I love seeing you. We're talking

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: about it for hours. But that was a good thing. So an equal was good. I got to work with a key of a

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: goldsman who was a very big yes. That you're a director. That was good. But by the time I got to

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: set that 10 pages had been cut down to like five pages. I was all right. Now I was really, it just

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_00]: became like a fight a fight a fight scene. Like a couple of lines and then a fight scene. They

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: saw it was really, really upset. And then when I was doing ADR, they actually cut out more.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: When I went to do the sound recording for it, they made change some lines because more had been

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: cut out and they had to make that make sense. So it went from basically what I thought was going to be

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_00]: the guest of the episode two three lines in a fight in the whole show. And I was man, I didn't

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_00]: watch search or discovery for two years because I was so mad. I knew I would just be in Vs. You know,

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: right, oh I could have played this character. I could have played that character. So but when I moved

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_00]: down here just about a couple of years after that, I moved down here to LA and I called the

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_00]: casting director down here who does Star Trek or Lee and I called the casting director in Canada

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_00]: who does Star Trek. And I said look at this point now there's more Star Trek ships, right?

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Probably just started. And strange, your worlds were starting. I was like, look, you got it. If I

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_00]: could get on the show again, I'll do prosthetic so do whatever. But like I love Star Trek and

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I burn myself on the whole show and I've been really upset about this. And they said what casting

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: directors always say which is yeah, yeah, we'll think about you. Promise and you kind of

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: dismiss it and let it go away. And to their credit five years later, they called me and they didn't

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: even really want me to audition. They just said, we got this role. We thought of you for the

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: role. The both the casting directors. We thought of you for this and we think you could do it.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have to go through an audition process. I did have to read some lines for what

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming was Michelle paradise in Tunday. We had to read some lines for them just on tape.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Just so the casting could convince them but for all intents and purposes, it wasn't an audition.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It was an off pretty much an offer. And yeah that never really happens in this business.

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they did that was was pretty great. I would have accepted one episode.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought that's what it was and they said, no, no, it's kind of like it's kind of like a lot

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_00]: of the season. And it turned out to be more than they had thought to which was great.

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's my cold story. I was mad at the sound. So I'm trying to discover it for a long time.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's the way it works. But I was really upset.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think your particular voice had to do with you? Yeah, that voice.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm locking in that part because your voice is just...

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, maybe it had something to do with it. I'm sure that when I did the reading they're like,

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: oh yes, okay. So he didn't really matter how I look so they're going to cover my face anyway.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But as long as I can look like my lock had to look big and straight off,

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: as long as I can look that and sound that, I guess they didn't care. Well my face looked like

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: but as long as I can perform it, I'm sure my voice had something to do with it when they were making

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_00]: the final decision. They did bring it up throughout the season. Like, oh yeah,

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: sounds great and it looks great and it's going to be really cool enough. Yeah.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what? It was the voice for me because you know,

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: we even all let stuff out. Like, what is this girl seeing this man? Oh, you know what's

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: this voice for a night that's all over. Oh, no, but we fell in love with that character.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We could see what was going on. But I have a question for you though. I was reading,

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I was reading all the stuff people were going to do this show and everything.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I missed you and if you don't, that we have it to be before. So I'm really excited about this.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just read this one thing where they said, you were a clue on jeopardy.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was an answer. Yeah, the question is the question. Yeah, I was an answer.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_00]: What do you remember? Do you know what it is? It was for a character I played called Adam Jensen

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that I did performance capture in Voice Voice 4. And it was something like this character

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: at last, it was a place Adam Jensen in this series and then nobody got it right.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a five hundred dollar question. There's a lot of people.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: But nobody got it right. But it's totally okay.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll touch your name right though. Yeah, and that was before obviously before he had passed

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's Canadian and so it's like there's a lot of connection there. I'm like, hey Alex,

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca, let's see my name or I got to hear Alex, Rebecca's name. I'm a name.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was very very moved. I got more family male from that.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else I've done? I could be on the moon and I would have been like,

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah, I know you went to the moon but you were a human jeopardy. I don't like that. That's like

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a standard. I'm sorry. I do make it on jeopardy especially in the out. It's just

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: like, I mean, it's all now and it's cool and it's still jeopardy, but it's not still jeopardy.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. It's just like a little bit of a little. You know?

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was your name on hard. Yeah, that was the thing.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that? Is that? Alex Trebek is saying, like Alex Trebek knows who you are, you know?

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's not pretty quick, but yeah.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_00]: When you did have to learn how to pronounce it, they did. This is a great call me and ask.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. Also you knew you were going to be a clue. A question.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny. How does this seem to more tell us?

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I must have known that it was coming. Right. But I recall still being surprised,

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but I remember like them calling me and I guess I didn't register. Like all you wanted for a clue.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, because I remember being surprised when it came on. I was getting all these text lists.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: So I guess maybe I just had forgotten about it. Yeah. And then they got that's what the surprise was.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember them calling and ask how to spell it pronounce it.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you a silly question? Like, um,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's going to be a little bit of a trouble. I just want to write a silly question.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right. I'll talk this way. Um, did can you explain a little bit about performance

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: capture? To work for those for those of us who might not be familiar with that?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So what it is essentially is like the plan of the experience movie that just came out. There was just

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_00]: so all those apps were done through performance capture. So it's it's a computer generated thing.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: It's basically all of the data is taken from actual actors. So you wear a tight suit and

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_00]: it has little markers, or balls, and dots all over you. You wear them all over your face.

[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_00]: And you wear a camera in some cases, you're a mother of your face. And you wear a helmet that has a

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_00]: mic and a camera that's literally like writing front of you in a little time. So it's kept,

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_00]: they call it performance capture because it captures your entire performance.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Volkl facial body, everything. Video game bigger video games do it. Like the big triple A video

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_00]: games do it and big movies like part of the Apes. Andy circus is one of the big, you know, kind of

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the guys who will break them all of that because if you did go on the Lord of the Rings. And

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: it's funny because I would get varieties once said a lot of super fixes is the Andy circus from Canada.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was really cool. Great. I'm like he was he's way more accomplished than I am in

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_00]: the performance capture, but it's a nice compliment because I have done a lot of it. I did mostly

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: in games and I did some on television and stuff like that. But I still do it. I was just in

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Serbia two weeks or three weeks ago doing super-formers capture work. Like before Vegas,

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: right before we saw each other. Wow. That was pretty funny in Vegas. Like I was like,

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: all right, I was and I'm like, it's to me from the sidefices that you're like, yeah, I know.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it. Okay. Well, I see you at most of these guys. It's a good show.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But we got to be happy to see each other like multiple times now. But you know, I just never

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: expect anybody. I just I don't know why. They don't know why. Somebody, this was I don't know if

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_00]: this is an insult or a compliment but I was I was walking through Vegas and somebody grabbed me and

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm four inches tall as in cherry. But somebody thought I was tearing me down and

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: it's the Greek in me somewhere that that guy saw through. That's okay. We'll let it go.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_00]: That is weird. That is weird. But you know, good memories. Yeah, no, he's a good looking dude.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_00]: So I like what that. It's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I think if you look at people.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, I mean, you know, slouch. You know? So I'm telling you, I mean, honestly like you win that one for

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_02]: me. So you know, I'm sorry. It's all right. Okay. So I need to, I'm super you know, you were about

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: to say something. No, no, no, okay. Good. Because I need to I brought it up really briefly once when we

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: talked before. But I mean, I knew you were I know words. I'm sorry. It's been a day. All right. Let's

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: start about this again. The expense. You know, my boy, I hated you so much when you played Kenzo. You

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: were so good at that. Oh, my God, I wanted to throw your ass out the airlock like it first two seconds.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, it took them too long to deal with Kenzo. You know, and you played the protomolecule

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, bro. That was spectacular. Oh, that was so good. See, like now I'm learning to watch. Yes,

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_02]: movement, right? Like you guys are teaching me you, Doug Jones. You know, you guys are like,

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't attention now, you know, because I'm like, oh, I know what these people do. Now I know

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: what it means. And now I'm like looking at all and you brought that. I told you in that first interview,

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw that in lock too, because you were performing through all those all that prosthetics. And the

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: thing that I loved about lock is like it was the eyes, like your eyes were telling everything.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: There was important to me. Yeah, for sure. That was that was the thing that I was the most

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: worried about was when they started when I first got the role, I thought I was going to be like a

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_00]: guy for one episode. I didn't even tell me what was going on. And then when they finally told me,

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: no, he's going to be more and he's going to be in love. They're going to be kind of like a body and

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: client thing. I started thinking, how am I going to get, like I'm sure that means it's got to be

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: going to be some emotional scenes. Like how am I going to get through this, uh, this like

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: thick makeup and contact lenses? Yeah, that was the right. Yeah. And that was what I was really

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: worried about. In fact, the one note I got the most on that set from the directors was always bigger.

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm not really much of a bigger actor, I'm more like a behind the eyes type of actor.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, quite a type of actor and I'm not good at being big. I always feel like I'm being too big.

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And uh, she, uh, two days, especially like you got it, you got it, you got it, you got it,

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_00]: you got to be bigger, you got to be broader, you got to get through the makeup. And um,

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I made him and Jen McGowan directed up a sort of five, which was most of the emotional stuff,

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_00]: except for the dying stuff. But the love stuff, the love stuff in five. I made Jen McGowan

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and, to me, promised me that they weren't going to either use any takes where I got melanchromatic,

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_00]: whether just we're going to let me get melanchromatic. Uh-huh. And I was like, please don't just,

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm on a soap opera. Now you're pushing me to a place where I feel like I'm overacting.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: They kept saying like, you're not, you're not trust me. You have to get through it.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_00]: And I had, I mean, even five episodes in, I was still learning and it wasn't for them.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I probably wouldn't have been as good of a performance because they were,

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_00]: they were really like taking me by the hat and going, I know it's working, I know what's not working.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, like I said, constantly I would get bigger, you got to be bigger, it's got to come up more.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I did really use my voice and I used my eyes a lot. And then when I was in the helmet

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: and stuff, I was using the either in the brain helmet or the other one. I was using a lot of,

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like what Doug would do. You know, like a lot of head movement, a lot of body movement

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_00]: to try to get that through. Yeah. It wasn't easy. It was fun. It was all fun, you know?

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll find a game, but it wasn't super easy. But I'm glad it worked out. I was really worried.

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Every person who saw the episode before I did episode five in particular,

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I would say is it coming through? Is the love coming through? Is the love coming through? Is

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the passion coming through? Is our do you empathize with this character? Yeah. Well,

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_00]: hopefully it'll sympathize with them like you're not a friend who wants to escape from.

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: But can you get his empathy being drawn out of this eye, out of my eyes? And the answer was

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: mostly yes. So I'm very happy to turn it down. Yeah. Well, you know, it's going to be hard if

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like when what you said earlier, if you're doing acting where you've got a camera right

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: in your face and every one of you, every one of your movements is being almost really like

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: captured and magnified. And now you have to do this exact opposite. You've got to

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: act now. It's a really good point. I had not even thought. The mask on, right? You're doing

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's like a 180. I was doing both at times. I was going back and doing a game

[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and then having the performance capture and then going back to do like episode seven or whatever,

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_00]: we're had to go the other way. And I hadn't even really until now really thought about how much

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_01]: of a change I had to do. I was thinking about it, which both you just said, I was like, I don't know

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: how you okay? I could see with them thing, you know, bigger and you're like, if I did this

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: when you were in the performance, do people would be like, quiet down. What are you doing?

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I think to be fair, I think it was always my comfort zone is more of a performance capture stuff

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like that. That's more subtle stuff. That's more of a comfort zone. So maybe it was a little easier

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_00]: to get back into that. Just a thought. Yeah, no, it's a great thought. I hadn't thought of it,

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: but for sure, I must have had making these, making these switches, must have been yeah, it was

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: probably my word tougher than I thought. Maybe those first couple of takes, you know, I had to get

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: that's why I kept getting that note, be bigger, be bigger because I fell back into my sonlton.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have slipped it in a note like, in not in the suit.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a different, I'm in a different holy uncomfortable.

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good. From what I know, from you sort of suit, you were in a suit again. So yeah,

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was just like, okay. Yeah, those, those green outfits were not, they did not,

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: they were not comfortable. They looked horrible. I mean, no, I don't mean how you look,

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: like they look horrible. I know what you mean. They looked like they would be a lot of work to

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_02]: look at that. I was like, look to great on screen, like, don't get me wrong. And the funny thing is

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I was ground zero because I was the first person you saw on the brain. So all of the tests and

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_00]: all the things that I've said every other day, we need you to come back in. We're testing this,

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: we're doing this, we're putting that on you. And then once they built the suit,

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_00]: then they started doing it to the rest of the cast. But I had to suffer through the original.

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You were the, oh my God. That was the genie.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. Okay. I wanted, I just wanted to come back to life. So oh, I just wanted to come back

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to life. So you know, to the end of the show, I still didn't think that like, oh, this is it for this character.

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I just knew they were going to get in there and somehow they were going to bring

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: this boy back to life. You know, because he's such a sucker. I mean, I loved him. But you know,

[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_02]: damn, could you fall in love with anybody else? Like just anybody else.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: This girl is trouble. But yeah, I don't know what she got up to say bad. So you know,

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: so there's only so many women that he comes in contact with. There's just a lot of options.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh, you're like me. Okay. I'm yours forever. Yeah.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: The most, that Ma was great and Eve was a, Eve was fantastic. Yeah. So much fun to work with.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's funny. I've talked about this before, but I'm about 10 years older than her in real life.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And so let me confess this by saying she does not need my protection in any way. But I felt very protective of her.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Right. Um, it's so I was always, you know, it was weird. We'd be out and I'd be like,

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_00]: like, like, a little sister. Like, why are you looking at her? Like, like, like, like,

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but then, which is idiotic. But then when we were getting on set,

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and we would both go our separate ways. And both, you know, she's had two hours make up. And I had four

[00:23:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and a half or whatever. Um, but when we would meet up, it would shoot me mall. And I would

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_00]: instantly be in love. Like legit feelings of like, oh, this woman is beautiful. And she's not

[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_00]: well, I like all and then the second week cut and she took a wig off and I tell her's like,

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: oh, hey, buddy, yeah. Like, it's an interesting thing being an active sometimes because like,

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_00]: okay, this woman has to be in love with what's not hard. Look at her. And she's so interesting.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Add-ass and so cool. And like, so it's, and yeah. So it's where he was, um, it was a really fun

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_00]: fun time with her. And we had a great chemistry. Yeah, you did. I was going to say that. You did

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: have good chemistry. I mean, you were Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, I feel like good actors will always

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: have good chemistry and she's a good actor. Like, I can know, I feel like I can have chemistry

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with almost anybody who is a good actor. And what I mean by that is if you're a good actor,

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that means you're open to other actors. If you're a really good actor. And, you know,

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and we didn't even need to talk about it. You want to try this. You want to do that. We were just

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: doing it and bouncing off of each other. And the way it worked out, really I think we

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: think we got together in our first. I think we did any of that. I think we just did it on the day

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_00]: every time. Really? She was on a cruise. I know she was on the cruise. She could talk to anybody.

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And well, we didn't know she, you know, because everything was so secret and everything.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Yeah. She was a cab up. But we had no clue as to what kind of she was. Yeah. Well,

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_03]: her storyline was anything like that. But she was pretty cool. No, she's awesome. She

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't love Comic-Con. I think she's less of a Comic-Con person than I am. I have so much

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: fun. I think it tiring is, oh, sure. But like this first couple days of Comic-Con is really happy.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_00]: They're pretty to go anywhere else. I feel like he was not really a big Comic-Con person.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know how she felt about the boat, but I've been trying to get her to come to these

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_00]: because I feel like more as a package we're building a bigger. Yeah. So, how do you know?

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I have not been on the cruise yet. Oh my god. We've got to get you on the cruise.

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I know. The only issue with the cruise is it's like seven days and yeah.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Right or nine days or whatever it is? No, no, no, no. So, seven, baby. Don't be mad.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Seven days enough. My issue is that I moved down here with my family down here. I have two kids.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_00]: So we have no kind of sports system here. You know, for a family that I could jump into.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. For a week? Like I went into that to a friend. That's a lot.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So it's either, I spend a bunch of money and fly them to somewhere on the East Coast

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_00]: where my family is. Or they come on the cruise with you. Yeah.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or they come on the cruise with me. But then I had to go to school for seven days.

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a big like, okay. It's a big, yeah. It's a bunch of a lot. If somebody says to me like

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_00]: these are all these, this is going to solve all your problems. Come on the cruise. I definitely want to go.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: I just, there's a lot of boxes I got to check before. Well, we'll be looking forward to the day

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: when you're able to come on the cruise with family or without in any kind of way because like,

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, we would love to have you. I'm acting like I work for ECP. Yeah. We would love to have you.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, you know, and then there were those stars that came for just part of the cruise

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and they came on and then left at so long. That was just an interesting idea.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hear that's a hard negotiation. Oh, yeah. That's an interesting idea.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: For them. I do love the Comic-Conz and I'm doing a bunch this year. So it's fun.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Creation is doing them. I mean, I think it's Sepp Chicago because I already

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: had a booking before I knew the dates of Chicago or something like that. But I've done double

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: books for Chicago. So I can't just Chicago. But I'm doing Nashville Jersey Dallas San Francisco.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. All the trek events. Well, it's a great work. It comes up or something. But for the

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_00]: most part, I'm pretty much booked in all those. That's been one couple weeks.

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, awesome. I get trying to go. We don't know if we're going to be able to go or not

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to Jersey would be the one that we would be able to do. But you know, there's also next here

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: there's going to be Charlotte as well. It's right. Yeah. Charlotte's coming. Yeah.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to see. I love Charlotte. I mean, as far as like, I mean, it's it's just a neat city,

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's a lot of dichotomy. But I know. You know, but I also like Western North Carolina

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and I like the mountains out there. And Charlotte is just a little hopskip and a jump from Asheville.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_00]: That's real. Yeah. You know. And I went to Knoxville a couple of weeks ago or a few weeks ago.

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That was interesting. I'd never been to Tennessee. It's interesting. It's really, it's like there's a lot of

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_00]: great old school architecture within there's a lot of, you know, interesting kind of like there's

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot of history in Tennessee. Yes. Yeah. So it's so exciting. It's, it's, uh, do you want

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_00]: to think about this country as fascinating is the different parts of the country that have different

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_00]: histories for, I know it's a giant country. But it is one country. But there's something like Tennessee

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_00]: has completely different history than the state of Washington does or where you guys are. Like New

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_00]: York. I spent a lot of time not just the city but in the state. I love all the history of New York

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and it's all fascinating all the way from, you know, the revolutionary war on and I love that to

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of stuff. So I love seeing history. The really interesting thing is when I go like I was in Serbia,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was in Greece a few months ago and I'm like, oh, this is history though. Yes.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_00]: For a thousand years ago. Oh, it's a thousand years now right. Whereas here it's all, you know,

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: hundreds of years but it's still fascinating. That's one of the things I love about this. I took

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the job, I was going to take it anyway. I was going to take Star Trek anyway but I most definitely

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: had it in my head. This is going to mean comic-ons. And not so much for money, of course for money

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but also like I get to go to them and go to, never going to go to. I probably unless work

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_00]: makes me that I'm never going to go in Nashville. I don't know why I would ever go to

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_00]: two. I tend to see here tonight. I probably would never go to Florida. All these things are

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_00]: all the stuff takes me there. So that's, this is true. That's one of the reasons I took,

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like I said, I wouldn't take it anyway. But it was definitely one of the reasons that I wasn't

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's super cool. Because we think about like the trick has brought into our lives just

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_02]: from deciding that we just want to sit around and talk about trick, as for black women,

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, from our perspective. And the crazy places that it's taken are generally not

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: sure. Just so neat to look at it and see that from somebody else's perspective. Like it's the

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_02]: same thing happening. Like it's still trick and it's just taking me to crazy places that you don't

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, wouldn't necessarily think that oh I'm going to be there. It's more than just a TV show.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a community. Star Trek. Yeah, it's really is like every person I meet is friendly and great.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Almost every cast member I have met has been welcoming and friendly and super cool.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. You get the funny ones like for me, Vegas, the most fun I had all we can was every

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_00]: time Marina Surtis came to my table because she's a crazy Greek woman. And so we would talk about

[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Greece and my grandmother and growing up Greek and all that kind of stuff. She's the best.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_00]: And she says like just she has no filter anymore. No she doesn't hear. Yeah, so it's so much fun.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I know it but I mean that's for the most my bumped into Franks a couple of times.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Always cool, you know. I shot her and I grew up in the same literally the same block.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_00]: No way. Wow. Like he grew up with his way ahead of you. Yeah, like the 35 years or something.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe more. But she grew up, yeah, he grew up in this place called Hampstead in Montreal.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And I grew up in Hampstead in Montreal. Like literally I was on this tree called Hampstead and

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_00]: here's on the Samstead. It's like this corner, which is where we both grew up. So he was always

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: very much a hero of mine. He's a great actor but even aside from that there's like there's a

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_00]: three part of the wrong thing with shadows. He's a great actor so I want to fall and he is a great

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_00]: once a real good actor. Yeah, yeah, he is great actor. There's um there was that. I always wanted to

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_00]: emulate him as a one as a great actor. There's Star Trek because I love it and I don't know

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_00]: time in my life where Star Trek wasn't around like my whole life of known Star Trek and I've known

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly you know Captain Kirk, my whole life. And the third thing is he's from literally

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: the same neighbor. So I wouldn't. This guy became kind of a kind of a hero of mine. And I've met him

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_00]: all the time and every time I have to reintroduce myself. But he, I don't blame him. The guy

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: meets a hundred thousand people. But she has always been polite. The second he realizes that

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the guy for a Montreal. And we start now. He's the best story. Yeah, and I think the thing with

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Shanner is if you don't really talk about his work and you talk about other stuff, he's fascinating.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But the second you start saying I love working as your sister-grade actors. Like I've heard this

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_00]: for 96 years. I don't even hear this again. But yeah, if you start talking about stuff that

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_00]: he is interested in. Like we were talking about the history of Montreal and these coasts. Like

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you're saying. And yeah, we had long conversations about that kind of stuff. He's always been great.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant guy. I mean, he talks about all kinds of, and so now Shanner is my guy. So

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Shanner is your guy. Yeah, look, Shanner is my favorite because of what I just explained.

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think my favorite captain is Cisco. See, I'm just gonna ask you about it.

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta go to the, you know, Cisco of course. Cisco, of course. But my captain was a

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: man. For sure. I mean, it's always gonna be correct. So he's gonna. But my outside of the

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_00]: court, it's just Cisco is just also a very good book again. Maybe it's just like the act

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_00]: actor and me. But like every book is such a phenomenal actor. And I just love, I love, she's like,

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: he's such a badass. Like he's the most badass captain out of all of them. Yeah. So I always

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_00]: love, you know, like you remember the one of my favorite episodes is the one where he decides

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_00]: he's gonna gas the planet. What he's kind of having that sort of, that mean is a bad thing

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_00]: back and forth. Oh, yeah, for the uniform. Yeah, for the uniform. Where he says you betrayed

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: uniform? Yeah, to, yeah, just had a long discussion about this. Hey, that's what's so for me.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like quintessential Cisco, right? He's like, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. And I love that.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like Kirk in that way, you know? But he did, he never had like, he had a romance.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: But it was kind of like he was very monogamous. Yeah, yeah, he has a poster. Yeah,

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Erkin. So it was there was something about him and then also deep-faced

[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm interesting to me because again growing up with searching when I was a kid kid, my dad and

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_00]: my uncles would show me the old show, right? Obviously on before I was born. And I then remember

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_00]: the movies and being just completely obsessed with those, particularly Star Trek 2 through like six.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Like I could, if you wanted, I could start from two and go to six. Like this go. Let's go.

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Could we could go with you? And yeah, and, and that's why I love those movies. And then

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: when I was young, young, still TNG started, right? And then, but I saw I was addicted though,

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I was watching it as much as I could. And then when I was kind of a teenager, deep-spaced nine,

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_00]: which was kind of a more mature Star Trek. Yeah. Like I feel like I kind of grew up with it.

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. It's why it connected with me because every

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_00]: time I'm like, well now I'm a teenager and now I'm like, I'm going to be 18. So I'm a,

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this Star Trek stuff is, oh, deep-faced nine. This is fascinating. And he came that,

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: so I kind of always grew up with it. I always, Star Trek was always there.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's also why I have a particular fondness from Cisco because it was like,

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly what I wanted to be. Like a cool badass guy and like, oh, this guy is the most bad.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was put after he shaved his head. Everything after he did this. And after he did this.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's, we, like, he's not captain at the beginning anyway, but when he becomes captain,

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: then it's, he's the best. It's the pit takes to raise it. It will all. That's right.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go see the go say, of course. Oh my gosh.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I was, he would come around. He's really not a con guy.

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Never does any of these things. I will pass out if I saw him.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, how old is it? When are you? It'd be over.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I could, it'd be, he'd be that who was this blizzard in any of your.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I do love another thing I love one of the Star Trek actors is a lot of them are,

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: we have commented on this with a few people have been, I guess. And then you've talked about the theater and it is so true.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_00]: And I love, I mean, those Shakespeare was one of the reasons I became an actor. I wanted to become an actor.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And like I've been spending a lot of time with Armand, Shimmerman, who is,

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm cool. So, one, well, first one is a wonderful guy in his wife, Katie.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So, she's at all. But both the two of them are big into the LA theater scene.

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So they've kind of taken me under their wing and they said, well, I'm going to show you this theater and

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll go see plays and all this cast off. Oh, wow.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. So I've been hanging out with Armand and Kitty and they've been

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: taking me through the, the theater scene a bit here in LA. And I talked to Shanton about Shakespeare because he was a big Shakespeare guy.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing. If I had met, if ever I got to meet every Brooks, it would be we talked about theater and

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_00]: your wife and the theater and yeah. Because I do, I do really love, and you know, I mean, of course,

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Stewart who I'm not, I've only met very briefly. But he was nice.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We have what Shakespearean plays have you been in?

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got to play Hamlet when I was 30. Yeah. And Vancouver. Oh, I was okay. Just throw it down. I'm right.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I got some, got some good reviews. It was good. And the funny thing about Hamlet is

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I think we ran for a month and only like the last couple of nights. Like, oh, I think I'm getting it.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think I'm really starting to get a group. I got hand on this. I could use another three

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_00]: months of this run before I really, really get it because it's so complex and obviously

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I just played Hamlet a pretty yago. You know, this is what I thought was one of my favorite plays. Okay.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I've casted as I played in Jewish season. Do you see the, okay?

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. He's done it. He's done the whole thing here. So. Yeah. I want to theater school. That was my whole thing.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're theater school first. I was going to do the whole, when I was a kid, I was just going

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_00]: to do, I just wanted to be in the movies, right? I didn't know what that meant. I thought I'm going

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: to be in the movies. Because I don't know what that means. And then I think I was, do you guys know who Kenneth

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Bronis? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's straight as for her. But she, she, um, and yeah.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, dead again, dead again, dead again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. She did Henry the fifth and I remember

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_00]: specifically being in the basement of my uncle's house and he was watching Henry the fifth.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember watching it, not knowing what was going on really. But I remember thinking,

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_00]: well, this is what real acting is. Whatever it was that spoke to me about that. And then of course

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I went and learned about the history. So instead of going to like film acting school or TV

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_00]: acting school, I went to theater school because of that film. Because I saw that film, but I wanted

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_00]: this to be a theater. This is what theater is. And so I went to theater school. If I had known at the

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_00]: time that the disparity of pay between doing on camera work and theater work, I may have gone the

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: other way. Oh, this seems to have all worked out though. Yeah. But I do miss theater a lot. It's just

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't make it. You don't make nearly enough money to support a family for sure. Yeah. I can't

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_00]: do it unless I could get out of the play if I book something else or something like that. Right.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm open to it because I do miss it. But I think I'm only open to a few modern plays,

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_00]: but particularly Shakespeare. Shakespeare play comes along in a character I can play. I'd be open

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to at least doing a little bit of a run. Yeah, I do miss it. Oh. So okay. Correct.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say what would you think? We were just talking a couple of nights ago about

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: sci-fi being like an golden age of sci-fi. All these shows that are coming out.

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So is there any show that strike you as Shakespearean in its storytelling or in its

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: where it goes or the characters? I mean, recently I don't know. I mean, battle started

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: a lot to come to that. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. The suspense kind of did that. The expenses were

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_00]: a little more modernized in terms of character stuff, but the interests of the vastness of what they

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_00]: explore and the much like Star Trek exploring the human nature of it all. Like it's fantastic.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01]: That was that up very well. Wait. Just some of the tragedies of the expanse, which is yeah.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: God. Yeah. When you like like when Kenzo died it was a tragedy. They really

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_00]: there's that you want to know a quick you want to know the quick experience like after story. Yes.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. Yes. I auditioned for Amos in that. Oh, yeah. But it'd been good.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: And it came down according to the show runners or one or the show creators type,

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Diane Daniel, they told me that it was pretty much down to me and West.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_00]: To play that role. And it was, I mean, this is the God's honest truth. It was the first time

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: in my career because most of the time if I don't get a role and I see who got it, I usually go

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_00]: they were stupid. This guy's not really as good as me. The badge bad decision. I hope for show

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_00]: but with the expanse. So they didn't give me, they didn't give me Amos and then they wrote

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: me Kenzo. Wow. They needed it because in the books it's all in their head. Like you can

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_00]: read what's going on in their thoughts. Obviously obviously the can't do that in TV. So you

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: needed a character to kind of get them places. Yes. They wrote Kenzo and they thought, well let's

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: give it to Elias because he came so close with Amos. And then when I got the, I gave me

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Kenzo, I was very happy to get it and not like the first, the last season of Discovery where I was

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: like super mad all the time. I was very happy to work on the show, especially when my first

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: scene was with West as Amos. And I remember looking at him going, I would have cast him over me too.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not because it's a better worst anything like that. He's just, there's a thing that he

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_00]: has that I don't have as an act. You know, there are things that I do that he might not be able to

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: do or I don't maybe he can but there's this thing that he does that I can't do. So that kind of

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_00]: aura that he had was perfect for Amos. Yeah. There's like oh that's I would have done this too.

[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have cast them. First I'm like rare because mostly I'm a pretty petty and vindictive guy.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: That's time. I think the casting directors had to really sweat that one out though.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would hope so but that's why I guess that they wrote me that they wrote me that

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely. That's like they like good actors and they wanted to bring them

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_00]: to bring me on. So it's nice like, but it really was like I'm like oh yeah for sure.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: It was perfect. And I got to see him face to face because we were working together in the scene.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I wouldn't have done it that way and it wouldn't have worked as well.

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as well. So it was a good choice. It was a good choice by then.

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So is there a show that you would like to be put on a cast in now that's that's going on

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: that you like God I just get on that show. You're gonna call a cast on the right doing say

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_00]: getting on that show. I like dramas. You know what I would like to do actually in my whole career

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I've done one comedy. One episode of one comedy committed show and, you know, humble

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_00]: this I say I was really funny and it was really good and I was good at the show.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And I have not done anything and that was like, third job.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So that must have been 20 years ago now. Okay, casting directors. If you're listening.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. It was a good one. I love you. I love you. Remember,

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to have that show. I love that show. I was just like a one episode character and it was

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_00]: so funny and it was a ball about timing and I had the timing right now. It's so much fun

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_00]: and I ever since that I should've been bad guy, bad guy, bad guy, bad guy. Oh, well,

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: so you know that's the mind. I always want to paint those but I do miss doing comedy.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Love that you're so. There's the new going to be live actions start track comedy show coming

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: up. They office type thing, right? Yeah. I'll talk to Tony Newsom. Tony Newsom next to my

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: senior. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was a good one. I was like, hmm.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. No, I did you know what's really also another thing is that I Alex Kurtzman,

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_00]: he's kind of like the big guy who takes care of all right? Yeah. No, no, no.

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I get a few years after I emailed them after I had seen the fifth episode and I got

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: to email by flu because somebody had invited us to invite a bunch of start track actors to a thing

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and they didn't BCC. So like all of the names were there. Like who was it? Oh, wow.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. I won't say who's gonna get that person to draw. But no, I was like, oh,

[00:46:18] [SPEAKER_00]: I have Alex Kurtzman's email now and I emailed him after um, episode five to say I was really

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: happy with it and thanks for the opportunity and all that kind of stuff. And you know,

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_00]: we emailed me right back. It's like I think you're great and you know, keep in touch. And if there's

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_00]: anything that you're auditioning for that I'm producing, let me know and I'll keep looking out

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_00]: just again just like nice as people. Yeah. Even in this business business business,

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you think it's mostly doggy dog. You know, and it is, but it's Star Trek. There's just

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_00]: like the nicest people. So weird thing. Like I said, I've said this before. Sorry. I said this before.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's terrible. You guys might have been like, oh, I'm the one who's babbling on.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He said that I've said this before, but that said it was just like even I was exhausted from four

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_00]: hours of makeup every day. I was exhausted from wearing it all day. I was exhausted from fighting

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_00]: in and trying to do scenes and memorizing all that stuff. It's all first for problems, but it

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: was all, you know, all that stuff I was exhausted from. I still was like this is the best set.

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love being here. I'm just, I'm so happy to be here. I remember sitting on that bed where I sat

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_00]: there for two weeks in that in that seventh episode there. Uh-huh. Where I had to get even if I

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't going to be in the scene because I'm in the room. I have to get what through the makeup

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_00]: everything. Oh, it's all right. So I was really was like, guys, if you're not going to see my head,

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_00]: do we have to put go to I got to go for fun? But yep, sorry. You got to do it. Wow. Just in case,

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_00]: we might grab something. But I remember sitting on that set. I remember sitting there and watching

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like, I think it was like Wilson and I were joking around and some equals there and a

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_00]: little was there and I love a Jala. Oh, yeah. We were all just hanging out and I'm like,

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I would do this forever. Even with this exhaustion of what I'm doing. Like I would come to work

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_00]: during this forever. Yeah. Because these guys are just also great and it's so much fun.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, I remember thinking, outside of the makeup even, but I remember thinking,

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_00]: this is exactly what I want to do. Well, you know what I mean? Like in your career and your

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_00]: life, you get to points where you're like, like I'd have as long as time with my kids where I'm

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_00]: like they're playing a place, catch with my son and I'm like exactly what I want to be doing.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I think about yeah, appreciate the moment, right? Yeah. And like you say,

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: watch my daughters a cheerleader now for the high school football team. If you're wondering if

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be coming in American or not. And I was watching her yesterday and I'm like, this is what

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: you work for. This is what you want to do. You take, you take in those moments and I remember

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I do it a lot with my kids and I don't do that much with work because it becomes work and more

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_00]: of a pain bills than anything else. But that day I remember thinking that like this is it.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the panic. Like I'm not looking for awards and not looking for good people to work

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: with doing good work. I wish this would last forever. And then I died that episode. So I did not last.

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it. Oh, we will hope it was going to last forever too.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, and it's Star Trek. So you never say somebody's dead for a

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: forever. I put on makeup in something else and there's two point of view.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, Jeffrey comes played how many

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_00]: did characters? I got to catch up. I've played three if you include video games.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Four, four if you include video games. So uh, you were so unfair.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Just, yeah, I got to catch up. I think he's you still ahead of me. So hey, let me

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: well, while my internet before my internet gets wonky again, let me just ask you this

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: because um, you've wrote this question for you about um, deep space nine because as we record this

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: today is the day of the belt riot. It's a riot. What is this? August 30th, 2024, the belt

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: riot's began and it would last like through September 3rd or something like that of 2024.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And in the sanctuary disc at district in San Francisco, um, and you know, all these protests

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that were happening and she wanted to know, um, what is your take on the parallels between

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: fictional August 30th, 2024 and present day August 30th, 2024. It's a it's a more serious

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_02]: question and do we need the belt riot to get a united earth? I thought I think about that a lot because

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I but I don't I never recorded it to the belt riot. So I was recorded it to uh,

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_00]: con taking over the world in 1997, con and his people taking over the world. I always thought

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: did they need that or like in first contact when they say we're the by its post World War III.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like did they need the World War III because they say that in the movie I think

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_00]: or at least in a couple of episodes they say we needed that World War III to bring everybody together.

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Problem is and the belt riot's to

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_00]: is it's Star Trek is

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: very optimistic. Yeah. And maybe not realistic

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_00]: um and you you hope right like I don't I don't want anybody to get hurt and people

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_00]: to and right up and it's the right to have to happen to get us to a place of more camaraderie

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and especially in this country. Do we need it? Maybe that's like you you are all familiar with

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_00]: that but the watchman comic. Yeah, yep. Like was Ozzie Mandis right? Do you need to

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_00]: well in the comics that you put an alien on the kill the whole bunch of people and that brought

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_00]: the country together. Do you need that type of thing? I don't really know if there's an answer.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pretty optimistic to say that would work. Yeah. I think it would work for

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: real while like it worked kind of on September 11th for about three years maybe two years right.

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. And then it all came back. I got that we got way worse, you know that it was

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know where you think like the first African American president being elected. You think okay

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_00]: we've solved we've we've we've we've we've we've got way worse you know to degree they've not

[00:52:52] [SPEAKER_00]: gotten way worse in terms of racial relations but inside racial relations and people and you know I mean

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm right I don't have to do it so I don't know that it would work I don't know that's about

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_00]: what you do anything maybe that's a very pessimistic view for a structured fan. I know

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you know I don't know I don't think so because you know I'm a Star Trek fan but I'm also a fan of the

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_02]: expense right and when I start with the opposite. Exactly but both of them they're literally

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: the same coin though, right? You know I mean and um you know the expenses like the realistic side of me

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: not even the pessimistic side right not the cynical side just realistically human beings will take

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_02]: ourselves into space we are taking all of our shit all of our crap with us into space it is

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_02]: happening now there's literally the word colonization is happening right now that planting flags

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: on asteroids and all over different parts of space and saying these are our resources and we're

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in light to show us you know this is how we want to this is how we should be this is what we

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: should be aspiring to that we don't have to accept the status quo. You know you don't want to remember

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the can't you want to remember the right yeah they had their bill by remember the can't

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's true I don't know maybe it's just realistic instead of pessimistic but you know

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_00]: it's just yeah it's it's rough out there and like things like you know

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that should just stay off the internet really. Like I'll see I'll see like a wonderful video about

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_00]: some amazing accomplishment that NASA has done and I'm like look at this this is incredible

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and all of the comments are like this is fake this is fake this is real.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not I mean but then again I got to remember like the people who are spending time

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: commenting it first it's it's fermented anarchy half the time most of the time these are

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_02]: not even yeah they're not even real people like their gotts there these are engines of other

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_00]: people create you know to yes it's just yeah yeah yeah and it's like that with with I mean

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_00]: discoveries very divisive you know of itself I do a lot of projects that you know people hate on for

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: no reason yeah you know and you just I can I cannot think of something even if I hated a film

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you know some movies that there are some Star Trek things like I really don't like right

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm never gonna go online under a video of an actor talking about it thank you go like this

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_00]: is so sucks I can't get my head around it and I feel like also they would never do that in real life

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_00]: they would never know to you face yeah I'm not gonna do it and so it's like the the one thing

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_00]: that has really screwed up the world is the anonymity of the internet and the fact that you

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_00]: hide behind your racist sexist like not hiding behind it but living front of it by high yet

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_00]: homophobic by by not putting your real self on it's a new it's and you can be used as a new

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_00]: form of a white sheet 100% yeah yeah there's it's uh that's why I feel like I wish if

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_00]: must were do anything good with Twitter and I was a big Twitter guy I would I would hope that

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_00]: would say you can't have a fake account well yeah show us show us your idea and then you can make

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: an account and then you're responsible for the things that you it'd be at the show and I deep

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is something but it'd be for that yeah yeah yeah and the consequences you would get the consequences

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: of your hate speech what yeah people get people getting cancelled may have gone too far a little

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: in one way or the other but it's but consequences your consequences and if you're right you know

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_00]: as long as it's not you know it's you again then becomes dangerous yeah you're like well what are

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: the consequences I agree with this person you but I think you know I think racism homophobia

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_00]: sexism I think that's gonna be a line no matter what but I just I just wish to Vulcans would come

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and save us I don't know right yeah those pesky Vulcans you feel like you know I feel

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: above all because but even I'm looking for a Vulcans right now to come and stop this shigging even

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: here yeah I'm feeling honestly I feel a lot more optimistic these days I mean I I

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel the weight of the things that we're dealing with right and press day society but

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to God trick is like my salvation sometimes you know it's it's the place you know

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we talk about how lower decks got us through the pandemic and you know and you know and just having

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the light that is discovery whether I like I had my issues sometimes with with the sure but

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: it's just but yeah but I've never had an issue with the with the cast you know I never had

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: an issue with the production probably I never had an issue with what was going into making the show

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and why it was such an important show to us you know what I'm saying yeah so yeah so

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_00]: I put next generation on when I'm cleaning up like right put who knows the best

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_00]: put up is the best yes it's so funny because I have them all like right there on my

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_00]: shelves I can put any up instead of one on that paramount plus I can put any up instead

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I want on but I'd rather have put only cut to commercials when I'm cleaning up and

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_00]: just in the background what I'm cooking or whatever like who I love this episode

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you would love to cruise you would love to call that yeah it got non-stop

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: star trick on all the channels in your cabin yeah what if I'll just get sick of it right

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: but I don't know if it's boat it's so cool though because like first of all you're never in

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the cabin right so anytime you go in the cabin you just pop on the TV and you're like oh do I want

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: to watch in a prize or a picture you know like get the one yep they've got their own channels

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you just pop it on in the background you get dressed and then like 20 minutes later you're out

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: of there doing something else you know it's a plan yeah I want to try I want to go I definitely

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: want to go there's no there's so much line I'm good to stop now I'm thinking about it so

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_02]: hard because like you know it's the middle you know I got to February to get on this boat and

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I just I really wish that I could be on it right now I never wants to get off I don't I'm going

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to vacation up time well I'm the one that usually is tied over by day four I've had enough

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: a day four yeah every time I'm like oh my god we get like three more days of complete

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take a merge and go on here it's crazy but you know you rally you rally and it's

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_02]: give me more trick I think this fed tacit but okay so real quick before we go because it's about

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: time to go because I'm trying to be mindful of your time and everybody else is time but

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not very good at all the time but eventually it'll get dark so you can just

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: tell me what you can't see me in the morning I guess that mountain lion behind you

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: they're actually building at the end of my street this painting millions of dollars in the

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: building of mountain lion bridge because there's a big big mountain lion I really about those things

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_00]: literally right there it's in California yeah because there's mountain lions right behind me is a

[01:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: state park so there's mountain lions there all the time and rattle snakes and all these other things

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and yeah because they just they're trying to get across the highway it's dangerous

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: oh they're building this whole thing not for humans spending millions of dollars humans can't use

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know some you know some for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be like she got eight up my mountain lion we were gonna see the video she's going

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to preach like well that's her dumb asshole man like there goes another one for Darwin check

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so what is your favorite trek do you have a favorite trek

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be yeah I mean there would be no Cisco you said Cisco is your favorite yeah

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: it's hard to pick a favorite because there's so much I love about each one it's funny I would

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: think I would I would immediately defer to the original series right but then when you really it's funny

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_00]: it's funny when I see people make fun of star trek now I'm like oh this episode was terrible I

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: might do that was an episode when Tiana Troy turned into it frog there was an episode when

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_00]: a woman exchange bodies like the worst episode ever yeah it was an episode with like hippies

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_00]: how the space hippies yeah my love they had so much bad stuff that when you pick on a new thing

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_00]: so I look at trek and I go I love the old show so much it means so much to me but really it's only like

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: 10 episodes that are really great yeah but they're great but they're like but they're like a great great

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and I was watching doomsday machine on Pluto and I was like I just like it does not get better

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: than it's like so good every character perfectly defined every moment every cut is just everything

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: perfect so I do love that old show there's a lot of TNG that I absolutely love

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_00]: deep-faced nine is a lot that I love I was not into Voyager and I'd have brought as much

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch it because it's a Star Trek but and I followed along especially Voyager

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_00]: but I was not like invested like I wasn't deep-faced nine and TNG also it was my age I started

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: going to college and I was like not really yeah but the you know what is that that moves me the

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: most that is the most part of me it's the movies the movies from like I said from two to six

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and then even even into like first contact it's wonderful but really like to me Star Trek 2 and even

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: if I took Star Trek fan to the out of it Star Trek 2 is is a flawless movie perfect right it's

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: absolutely and Nicholas Meyer and I bought his book and I'm always trying to meet him

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_00]: he's just like he's such a good writer and to take Star Trek it's funny when you think about it

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I always think about it this way when I go I say like I watch an episode of Star Trek like the apple

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_00]: one where I'm like this is the silliest dumbest thing in the world you know or like there's a giant

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I love the episode obsession I love the episode but it's a giant cloud and kills people

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and it hurts really mad at it and like or like you know or the horda which I guess is great

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_00]: episode and like this is silly this is so silly this walking carbon and then you take that

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: concept and you make a film like Star Trek 2 which is dead serious it's very funny but it's like

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: a completely realistically played film which is ostensibly about a man who's dealing with getting older

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that's really what the movies are about yeah it's just I can't deal with this my son my best friend

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: dies and then I'm meeting my son and there's a planet that's been created like Genesis, newly born

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: like all of these layers about aging and that's really all it is yeah because glasses yeah

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_00]: you watch that movie and you're just like really it's about curbed dealing with age all

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: of the stuff around it is just about curbed dealing with getting old and how do you take a show

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that is you know that so many silly parts and you make such a brilliant film it's why I think

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I just hold it in such high esteem but I do think I wish that they would throw nowadays especially

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: in the meta world of entertainment I wish somebody would be like like I always wished to pick

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_00]: carbon, diana and and riker or argymander something you'd be like hey look I remember when you turned

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: into a frog okay you remember he was eight men oh yeah yeah you was eight men that's right yeah

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Crusher do you remember when you slept with a ghost do you remember that oh my god they don't know

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you oh he had to go there so you lambed the quadrant yeah it's such dumb things it's such dumb things

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_00]: and then such brilliant incredible moments and they just all fit together that's why it's not like

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_03]: so great it is the best of day on Pluto they did um spacing and then immediately after

[01:06:18] [SPEAKER_03]: spacing they play the raffle come right now I tried to somebody just had to was just sitting there

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: randomly yeah was just got caught up because you're taking on like this amazing you know what a great idea

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna look at I was gonna look at since I saw space you know like oh my god and then

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_03]: here come the raffle come like oh man think we could do it blue yeah so you know some geek is running

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that channel you know it's literally it has to be of the body

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: what it is oh my god I love thank you so much for coming in

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_00]: this has been a long time coming I'm glad I'll catch up with you ladies and um I don't

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: ask can you remember me to me I'm just coming for you guys no he does the same thing the shit

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and I said don't worry yeah you're exactly that do you remember me

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: look it's literally getting dark behind you we got it we got to shut this thing down

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