3.23 - Happy Golden Jubilee Doctor Who

[00:00:00] Hi, this is writer, producer, director, Paul J. Selmoth and I'm here with SyFy Systems.

[00:00:30] Hi, everybody. Welcome to the SyFy Systems Podcast where we give you our point of view.

[00:00:41] I'm Tamia Harper and today I'm joined by my sister Sabrina Wood.

[00:00:46] I almost called you with that black man Tom.

[00:00:49] I saw your lips going there.

[00:00:51] I was like, you get a nut.

[00:00:55] Oh my God.

[00:00:56] Okay, I'm just, we'll be miss you event and we also miss you friend.

[00:01:01] We miss you guys so much but we're excited to be here because we have a great guest and he's only catch this folks only the second person to ever make a comeback appearance on our show.

[00:01:14] And we're so excited to have him back today to talk believe it or not of all things coming from the SyFy sisters.

[00:01:21] Some doctor who?

[00:01:23] So Sabrina, I'm going to let you introduce our guest.

[00:01:27] All right everybody. You already heard a little bit about what he does. He is a writer, director, producer.

[00:01:33] He is the site, even the special effect. He is an author.

[00:01:37] He is like my new best friend.

[00:01:39] It is my former instructor at the New York Film Academy.

[00:01:43] This is a man that is taught me how to write screenplays.

[00:01:46] This is Paul Jay Salamoff.

[00:01:48] Yeah.

[00:01:50] Thank you for having me back.

[00:01:52] I don't know why you want me for a doctor.

[00:01:56] I have a big work.

[00:01:58] For those of you who are listening to us, you should see this man's background and he is in the tardis at the moment and he's surrounded by some Daleks and all sorts of doctor who accoutre moan.

[00:02:08] I think things that I'm even recognizing for the last 48 hours that I have been double dosing Doctor who getting ready for the show.

[00:02:15] As you should be.

[00:02:17] So here's the thing, I mean like full confession as everybody knows who listens to us.

[00:02:23] We are hardcore trekkies.

[00:02:25] We dabble maybe a pinky toe or so some of us more than others.

[00:02:31] Some of us have a whole foot and a leg in the Doctor Who pool.

[00:02:36] And you know and some of us are not even a pinky toe.

[00:02:41] So why are we doing this special?

[00:02:45] Why are we doing the show?

[00:02:47] We want to do this show because it's coming up on the 60th anniversary of Doctor who it is one of the most arguably one of the most important franchises, sci-fi franchises of all time.

[00:02:59] And one of the most enduring and one of the ones that seems to be able to continue to reinvent itself even though it's still like you're still getting a lot of the same old same old but I mean.

[00:03:11] It's an incredible show so we brought you on so we can talk about it.

[00:03:16] So let's start at the beginning.

[00:03:18] When did your fascination with Doctor who begin? Were you a kid or were you like a preteen or a teen and go, oh that's cool.

[00:03:25] Oh no. I mean not to imply that you're old.

[00:03:28] I'm just saying that I didn't get into thinking Doctor who was cool until like high school for me and I was watching it on PBS.

[00:03:39] Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[00:03:41] Yeah, one already on my fourth regeneration right now.

[00:03:44] Nice to be very young.

[00:03:46] Yeah, so I grew up on the East Coast. I grew up in a town called NADIC which is sort of a suburb of Boston and yeah we had PBS.

[00:03:54] We had public broadcasting system and that was the only place you could really see Doctor who and what was really great.

[00:04:02] So here's the thing.

[00:04:03] I grew up in one of the biggest sports communities in New England, which you know a high-spin trophy winner Doug Flute came you know went to my high school and you know here I am a big geek.

[00:04:15] You know because I saw Star Wars when I was five years old and it's original run.

[00:04:21] That's right.

[00:04:22] And you know just really that's where I really fell in love with science fiction.

[00:04:28] And I stumbled across this program with this guy with a long scarf and you know this big brown jacket and curly hair.

[00:04:37] And this was a show called Doctor who and it was like monsters in the sky traveled in time and space.

[00:04:42] And it was you know on PBS and I like instantly like wow what is this you know monsters and and what was really interesting about how they showed Doctor who when I was growing up is that they started with the first season of Tom Baker right which is the start with robot.

[00:04:59] And they would go all the way to the end of that season and then they would just start over again.

[00:05:06] And then by the time you got to the end of the season they get a new season so you watch you would watch the first that first Tom Baker season watch the new one then they would start all over again.

[00:05:18] And then they would just keep on and that's how they would do it.

[00:05:21] And so I got to see like some of these have this over and over and over again and I absolutely loved it and you know then eventually they got let's see they went from Tom Baker they did Peter Davidson.

[00:05:34] And then we so we got Peter Davidson and then they got John Perley.

[00:05:39] So it went back to John Perley and I don't ever remember them showing Colin Baker and I think by the time I at that point I you know from out to California to go to college but I like look I was I was obsessed with Doctor who from the minute I saw it and I mean I would go to Doctor who conventions on the East Coast.

[00:06:03] I built I built a canine for a Doctor who can imagine it is a new hand.

[00:06:09] I convinced my parents and I was part of the Doctor who fan club I still have stuff from that I still have like all my Doctor who like magazines but I also had these like newspapers that this Doctor who fan club would do I still have.

[00:06:22] Oh my God.

[00:06:24] My eyes you can see obviously behind me I mean this is that's not fake behind you folks that is the actual real Tartus console from the 96.

[00:06:32] Paul McGam TV movie and a dollic that I built and that's just you know it's seen what's over there.

[00:06:41] That's crazy that's just insane that is so cool.

[00:06:45] So I'm sure we'll cover like how I got the Tartus console but yeah I've been a lifelong fan of the series.

[00:06:54] I find it just absolutely magical in the sense that yeah I can constantly reinvent itself and you know if you don't like this Doctor would just wait a couple of years.

[00:07:05] Lots of stuff to catch up on I have a cabinet over there with all the DVDs and glue rays on my just really captured my imagination and you know now I've you know as a grown up I actually wrote a Doctor who audio adventure for big finish.

[00:07:24] Nice.

[00:07:25] I'm a Doctor who comic book that was sort of a bio comic on on a couple of doctors and I've appeared in lots of different Doctor who books like behind the sofa and red white and who.

[00:07:41] Actually in one of the newer issues of Tartus magazine here I'll show you this really quickly they did.

[00:07:47] He's asking why did we have him come back at his show.

[00:07:50] This is why.

[00:07:52] So they did a whole retrospective on us.

[00:07:56] You might find Brian wea and Bob Mitch.

[00:08:00] They were the ones who helped me restore the Tartus console when I when I got it and you know they always have.

[00:08:05] That is incredible yeah that console like you know I've taken that to you know New York into the LI who convention it's gone to Oklahoma it's gone to Texas it's gone to Los Angeles I mean it's.

[00:08:20] Gone to a bunch of different places because I'd love to share it. I know what it means to have something like that right.

[00:08:27] Oh yeah yeah I know I would want my picture taken with that so next time I come to your house like.

[00:08:31] First time right.

[00:08:33] It was really awesome too is I literally haven't had a lot of luminaries Doctor who over to my house.

[00:08:38] So best of all, he's been over here twice.

[00:08:42] Fraser Heinz who's Jamie is really one of my close friends he's been over here a number of times.

[00:08:48] Sergeant Benton John Levine you still have three.

[00:08:53] And also Daphne Ashbrook used to live down the street.

[00:08:57] So Daphne Ashbrook who is you know the companion in the Doctor who movie and I told that Paul McGann's going to come here sometime soon when he's back in town so I mean that's.

[00:09:07] Look for somebody who's been a Doctor who fans since like I said I was like five years old I mean is that freaking amazing.

[00:09:16] So cool I mean there's so there's so many similarities to that I'm finding like in your story tonight to our truck fandom but one of the things that you said that really still got to me is that.

[00:09:27] Like if you don't like this doctor just wait a little bit it's going to be another and it's just like there's a trick there's a star trek for everybody.

[00:09:34] You know like there's a there's a doctor who for everybody too I know that some people are way more into classic Doctor who and some people are way more into the more modern Doctor who and some people are into all of it.

[00:09:45] You know like yourself like I mean I think the story writing is that this the storytelling is so wonderful in Doctor who so I mean you're always getting something pretty meaty to chew on.

[00:10:00] Now do you know are you aware that when it originally started you know in the 60's it was designed to be a kids program to educate them on history that that's what when it first started.

[00:10:11] I didn't know so in but then it seems the Dalek showed up you know it was how bets were off that right that's why a lot of the in the earlier seasons you know it's a lot of historic historic story.

[00:10:25] That was the reason for because it was originally like sort of kind of obviously to enter game but but to really could have like talk about history.

[00:10:33] Okay okay that's really that one out the window.

[00:10:38] Well since you're like since you're since we're on the early Doctor who let's talk about that let's do like a little brief because you know I know a lot of our listeners are actually Doctor who fans but I know a lot of our listeners are not as well so I know that we have covered a little bit of Doctor who before but can you give us like a brief run down like a brief little history.

[00:11:01] Okay yeah so it started the first episode in honor of the child literally aired I think it was like three days after Kennedy was assassinated.

[00:11:13] I mean something like that probably know that you know in grain but that's November you know and so William Hartnell was the first Doctor and you know those were the ones in black and white and he was sort of this old crutchy-degrant father.

[00:11:30] You know type character and you know what was happening that was was Hartnell was getting old you know was getting already advanced in his age.

[00:11:40] And someone came up with the brilliant idea of like well this guy is you know you know this alien for lack of a better word and you know he got the idea of like he can regenerate they didn't want to show to air the show to end because it was so popular.

[00:11:56] That they came up with the idea that he could regenerate himself and become a different you know different have a different look so he regenerated into Patrick Trouten who was sort of like this whimsical kind of you know how they always describe him like a space hobo kind of you know kind of.

[00:12:19] You know and each doctor had their own idiosyncrasies so you know Trouten was you know was the doctor for a little bit and then as they transition to color and so forth then I can jump hurt we.

[00:12:34] Who is more like a dashing James bond yeah when the bond movies were really you know popular and you know he was this sort of James Bond dashing kind of you know what is white curly hair and his you know.

[00:12:48] And they really introduced the master at this point who is sort of like his arch nemesis almost like his blow felt you know in that respect and you know he had you know his little gadgets even though the sonic screwdriver which so you know it's a break it to you.

[00:13:03] You know it's a break it to you folks doctor who doesn't use phasers or guns right now once in a blue moon but it's not about the thing about Dr. Who was it's not about solving problems with you know I mean he'll throw a punch everyone John per week you know we're getting to punching matches everyone's in a while but it wasn't about using weapons to destroy people it was really about trying to solve problems universal problems and you know using a brain and using you know science and so forth.

[00:13:33] But you know so you had this sort of dashing with John per week and then he regenerated into Tom Baker which is really the doctor that most people sort of know I can you know yeah exactly so you know long scarf hat curly hair.

[00:13:50] You know big white smile teeth and you know Tom Baker was sort of like my doctor everybody sort of has their doctor Tom Baker was doctor he was the one who I was introduced to first even though I didn't see you know it's really interesting for the longest time do something that scared the crap out of me when I was a little kid.

[00:14:07] It was actually from a John per week episode from the Solary I never knew it until I saw the Solarians when they showed the John Per week I'm like that's something that is my problem in my ears I never know.

[00:14:21] But for my point of view was it was Tom Baker was my you know first doctor and so Tom Baker was the longest one in Dr. Who he really that's really weird crossed over you know especially with American audience.

[00:14:37] Yeah definitely and then you know Tom Baker so after his 10 years the doctor he regenerated into Peter Davidson who is the one who was the cricket uniform.

[00:14:49] Yeah yeah I really like Peter Davidson a lot he's really like he was like the youngest doctor at the time and he had a bunch of kids like he had three companions with him and then so Peter was it for a while

[00:15:05] and then he trend he transform he regenerated into Colin Baker no no relation to Tom Baker and Colin Baker's one who has the whimsical like you know multi colored jacket.

[00:15:20] Oh yeah but the different Collins doctor his Collins was very like a radical it was something that's sort of gone wrong a little bit with the regeneration

[00:15:28] and he was like kind of he can fit and he would be a little more ordinary sort of like William Hartnell was you know the sort of like crotchet even though he was younger he you know it was sort of like had his you know stuff like that.

[00:15:42] So and then he ultimately regenerated into Sylvester McCoy and that's when you know that lasted for a couple seasons and that's when Dr. Who got as we call it the wilderness years.

[00:15:57] And that like officially canceled but sort of sort of put on hold for a while.

[00:16:02] Yeah yeah so and you know that was so there was what they called it like it's at the wilderness years and this is where Dr. Who was really kept alive by the fans sort of like Star Trek.

[00:16:11] Right.

[00:16:12] Star Trek conventions it was sort of a similar thing and there was a lot of like fan fiction but then there was all a lot of Doctor Who books in adventures and that's what sort of kept Doctor Who alive.

[00:16:22] So how many how many seasons were there in the classics? I thought they were like 20s really.

[00:16:29] I heard like 27 28 I should know that like I'm just but this and that's myself to like I don't deserve it.

[00:16:38] No no no no I'm just saying like it was a lot of it was a lot of the who before it was you know in the wilderness years.

[00:16:46] Yeah yeah so it went from it went from now I've been at three years of Star Trek and it was nothing you go.

[00:16:51] Oh yeah yeah so it went from you know 1963 to like 1989.

[00:16:55] Okay okay that makes sense to me now yeah.

[00:16:58] And there was times where like seasons were the truncated or it waited longer for season so but so then it was gone for a while and then Fox had talked to the BBC about reviving it.

[00:17:14] You know Fox had talked about there was a time when Steven Spielberg was trying to do a Doctor Who movie.

[00:17:20] He was going to do like a movie.

[00:17:22] Now that has been interesting.

[00:17:24] Yeah it was great I got to see like production design from it which was really cool.

[00:17:27] Yeah so that was like during some remember I was what was what was that because it was.

[00:17:34] It was in the 90s it was like 91 or something like that they just couldn't get it off the ground.

[00:17:40] Yeah but it was Spielberg who was going to you know he was either producing it or I don't think it was going to direct away.

[00:17:45] I think he was producing it.

[00:17:47] It was weird that Daleks were kind of odd they actually could open up and stuff like that and there was cyber men sort of but they were more like they look almost

[00:17:56] like almost have original they can some respect.

[00:17:59] Interesting.

[00:18:00] I saw the designs I met the design I actually worked with the designer and he showed me a lot of the designs for it.

[00:18:06] But then in like 90 levels like 95 96 they brought back Fox they made a deal with Fox to do a Doctor Who TV movie that was supposed to serve as a

[00:18:21] Doctor pilot you know with Fox and they filmed it up in Vancouver and it was an American slash you know BBC you know production.

[00:18:33] And that was you know that was with Paul again and and Phil Seagal was a producer you know producer of it and they did this I remember like oh boy I actually got to go to the

[00:18:48] premier of it at the directors guild when I was with the site and they brought me and I went with Eric Wallace Eric Wallace you know the

[00:18:58] crazy you know like Eric Eric's Eric's a huge doctor and so we got to go to the the premiere of that which was crazy you know which is

[00:19:08] I was wound up you know with the stars console from it but you know it aired on Fox it did well but not good enough that the numbers

[00:19:18] the numbers did sort of justified bringing it back which was real shame.

[00:19:22] You know they changed some things but and you know the doctor was now half human and that was he kissed the girl oh god

[00:19:30] Jerry. He kissed him. So you know so then so that was in 96 and then you know we went away again for a while still kept alive by conventions

[00:19:44] finish and audio and stuff like that and then in 2005 2005 it was officially brought back by the BBC with Christopher

[00:19:56] Eccleson as the doctor and he had we don't see the regeneration from Paul McGann to you know Eccleson but it's understood that you

[00:20:06] know that's what happened and this was the Russell T Davis brought it back and you know that's now we're in the modern who.

[00:20:14] Yeah and it's really you know like always when people ask me like hey I'm interested in getting into Dr.

[00:20:20] Wresher I start I really think that is probably the best starting off point being we'll see now you know what I mean but what's

[00:20:28] going to happen with the new stuff but it's a good but because it's it's much more modern sensibilities it's not like look I'd be lying and I said

[00:20:37] that doctor who can be challenging for some people you know we always talk about cardboard sets and stuff like that I mean like Dr.

[00:20:45] Wresher was a low was not you know it didn't have a high budget like start for no special effects were really just kind of like you know hey it's hope

[00:20:55] yeah it was more of the storytelling that right is gotten me you know what I mean right in it I mean they really talked about a lot of like

[00:21:07] people would die on the show and you know I mean it would be very emotional right I remember like when I first started watching it as a teenager

[00:21:18] and just being like oh my god like this stuff is like this is so bad it's so bad it was it was so okay but then getting stuck like I mean because the thing wasn't it wasn't

[00:21:28] the acting that was bad it wasn't the writing that was bad I mean like it was just like it was like you said it was really low budget

[00:21:34] and it just weren't used to we weren't used to looking at stuff like that but then you got stuck in the story yeah you know and next thing you know you're watching it all the time you know

[00:21:46] yeah and I'll tell you like Tom Baker's definitely the end to classic Doctor who you know what I mean like if you're interested like if you're a fan of the you know the current inter iterations and you know the new who

[00:22:02] I think dipping your toe in with Tom Baker's probably a good idea because especially the producer at the time Philip in in Cliff he was very influenced by Hammer so a lot of the Doctor who along those like first couple of seasons of Tom Baker

[00:22:20] because then like Douglas Adams took over you know what I mean which was you know Douglas Adams was you know from H like a guy who got down to you it's a producer so it sort of got a little silly a little bit at some point but the first couple of seasons of Tom Baker are really terrific

[00:22:38] like they just they got it right you know what I mean they got it right there's great stories a lot of it sort of horror and that's what really like you know suck me in

[00:22:50] and even really see that influence on the new you know a new who and so forth so I like that I like some of that silliness though too I think that's something that's kind of unique to the Doctor who franchise is that there's a healthy balance of silly and seriousness you know

[00:23:06] that makes it really endearing it's like it's a lot of times they just hit the right balance you know yes there's a lot of winzy and and you know and dealing with some heavy things a lot of times but you know like sci-fi can get so heavy sometimes you know just like can be laugh at all a little bit at ourselves just a little bit

[00:23:28] yeah it did a good it did a really good job of that of balancing it and then really hitting home and Star Trek was good at this too

[00:23:36] like for those serious you know serious things and you know you really do start caring about these characters and you know so in that you know I'm this book I wrote this essay for this

[00:23:48] and it's a Doctor who book that's coming out in April and I you got I got to choose the companion I wanted to talk about it and I chose Sarah Jane Smith

[00:23:58] and Sarah Jane Smith was Tom Baker's first companion she was a holdover from she joined the Tartus crew with John Pertween his last couple episodes

[00:24:07] she came on in a story called the time the time warrior that introduced this so Tartus and she was yeah she was this sort of this was in the 70s

[00:24:17] so it was right when women's lib was really you know like and you know and she was this companion who was a you know reporter

[00:24:29] and you know she finds out about the doctor and she worked for unit and stuff like that and she was really like you know

[00:24:37] you know really women aren't to be saved all the time she can you know she got a lot of gumption and I just really do a lot with her as a companion I mean she really just I mean she really is my favorite I mean she's my favorite

[00:24:50] companions it always has been my favorite companion I do like Rose Tyler a lot you know and you know some other ones but there was just something about her so I chose her as my companion to write an essay about

[00:25:01] and but I remember when she left it was really emotional because you know it was you know this this story where at the end she sort of upset you know

[00:25:16] the hand of fear was the was this episode and she was sort of upset with the doctor felt that he wasn't really taking her seriously and she you know grabs all her stuff

[00:25:25] like I want to go home like she's like she's like she's like I want to go home and but little did she know is right before she decided to do this he got a special

[00:25:36] message from Gallifrey that he needed to go back to Gallifrey and he couldn't take her with him oh no and you know and so she comes in and you know she's just trying

[00:25:45] to be you know just trying to put him in his place and he's like I have to take you home and you guys I mean getting like upset when I make me feel like it

[00:25:55] because it broke my heart when I saw it doesn't it because yeah I love there's so much don't I mean and she's like and I knew she wasn't serious right

[00:26:05] because and you know he says I have to take you home and she's like you can tell that she doesn't really want that but there's no choice

[00:26:14] yeah right so you know going home yeah you know there's this really beautiful moment between them it's so real you know what I mean

[00:26:25] that's the thing is like I grew up people didn't understand doctor why would you want to go to school like people teased me for being into doctor who I was literally like

[00:26:32] oh yeah I believe that oh yeah no I got teased for being into doctor who was real geek and you know there was only like a couple of people

[00:26:40] actually even watched it in my high school and you know I remember just being so emotional and it was so truthful and so like beautiful

[00:26:51] this beautiful moment and it really stuck with me I mean it really did for the longest time and I was so wonderful when they brought her back

[00:27:01] you know like they brought her back for like the five doctors but Tom Baker wouldn't do that so they they paired her with John Hurtley

[00:27:09] and you know so we got to see Sarah Jane for a little bit and then there was like the canine you know there was a canine company it was like this special they did

[00:27:17] but when they brought her back into the modern era of doctor who that was amazing like it was just a show the respect for the past

[00:27:27] you know how much she was such a great companion you know I mean like and she was you know she just you know and just bring her back in

[00:27:37] and then giving her her own show it was just you know wonderful and then she passed away you know and I was lucky I got to meet her which was really

[00:27:49] really wonderful they there was um at one of the doctor who stores they had a signing with her and I got to meet her

[00:27:59] and it was so I was a really beautiful picture of me with her so to be able to write that essay I wrote it so much and so much

[00:28:07] it was I could feel the emotion yeah right and then reliving those those feelings and talking about when they brought her back

[00:28:15] and you know and you know you guys know as Star Trek fans there are things that really dig in yeah we're still not over Jetsia

[00:28:25] yeah exactly and that's the thing is like those emotions to me are still real to this date with Sarah leaving

[00:28:35] you know what I mean and it was because for me though that was the team you didn't bring up this thing

[00:28:41] yeah I think that's it and I like her and she's cool I think she was like my first crush I think you know I think

[00:28:47] yeah it's just so cool and she was like you know I sort of say this sort of in the essays

[00:28:53] because my mother you know my mother is great she was like the mayor of our town you know I mean so I grew up with a very like you know

[00:29:01] a great role model you know for a mother and stuff like that and I think you know even say I even talk about that in my essay that it's like

[00:29:09] Sarah was like in my mom in some ways you know I mean like it's wrong my mom was involved with the League of Women Voters

[00:29:16] and that's what like Sarah Jane was really involved with like women's rights and stuff like that

[00:29:21] and you know it was so I think you know that was you know because that was probably really young at the time

[00:29:27] when I was right you know with 12 or 13 years or much doctor who you know so maybe even younger

[00:29:33] so oh yeah of course I was like fine I was like really young actually no I was like yeah really I'm not sure about you know

[00:29:39] so I think that had a you know imprinted on me too you know in that

[00:29:45] yeah the companions always get me because you know I dallying around looking at him and watched all of the classic stuff

[00:29:53] but I kind of always want to see the episode where they regenerate and it's always so horrible you know

[00:29:57] what companion and like this show is tearing me up and I don't even know

[00:30:01] I didn't even watch the whole season just watching this last part

[00:30:05] but you know I was Tyler was the one oh my god that one just go break it you're the heartbreak I mean like she really comes close

[00:30:14] to like you know to set because she was such an interesting character and it was really you know they brought Dr. Who back then

[00:30:20] was kind of brought it back from her perspective yeah right yeah I think that's why I really got into it again

[00:30:28] because it was really interesting it was her perspective which is our perspective

[00:30:32] you know this audience perspective wow so yeah yeah and this excitement about you know that that far seen where you know

[00:30:38] I'm gonna get out here you know where you're enjoying me on my adventures I mean wouldn't that be the most amazing thing

[00:30:44] I mean if the you know if the enterprise pulled up to earth and said hey you know ladies jump in the tray

[00:30:50] right yeah yeah you know I mean like that would be you know because we know this is you know this is science fiction

[00:30:58] and we know it's just fantasy and it's not real but could you imagine if this was real you know what I mean

[00:31:04] you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah you imagine traveling in time and space should you go anywhere

[00:31:08] you know what I mean in me you know it's infinite and you know I think that's what really captured my imagination

[00:31:16] you know I was obviously a Star Trek fan but nowhere near as you know Dr. Who like for me

[00:31:22] like world like that was that was my jam you know who really was you know I know

[00:31:30] I want to bring us up to what's happening what's going to happen so right now the reason why we're really really really

[00:31:36] getting excited is because we have this big 60th anniversary in BBC has just been unloading promos

[00:31:44] so that I mean I'm just really like can't wait to see this so they have brought back all right here we go

[00:31:52] back the 10th Doctor Who like what what is going on with Jody yeah the female Doctor Who she was number 13

[00:32:00] and now we're going back to David who I love yeah what's what's going on Paul I'll tell you this the reason why they're

[00:32:08] I don't know

[00:32:12] I'm hanging out with people coming to the house would you be you don't know somebody called you

[00:32:18] you know I saw the things that you know Judy got what is going to be you know the new you know Dr.

[00:32:26] Who and then all of a sudden we get David to the back that's one of the best Doctor Who is you want to mean like

[00:32:32] the other one I know yeah yeah in David like David definitely responds you know responsible for

[00:32:38] absolutely for bringing in new fans I mean like no disrespect to Chris Eccleson at all like he was great

[00:32:46] yeah he was great I loved him so you know he kind of just hey I'm gonna come back I'm gonna come back for

[00:32:51] him in the one season and you know Chris was doing really well with you know with films and stuff like that

[00:32:56] and so they were able to use some of his star power you know to really you know bring some attention back to the show

[00:33:04] but soon as David tenant came on board you know it's just the ground running and he was you know I guess

[00:33:10] he was sort of like the nice romantic lead that you know that attracted a lot of because he's good looking

[00:33:16] guy and it's like wow it's kind of this dashing you know this dashing Dr. Who that was very relatable

[00:33:22] and then with Rose Tyler was this you know great you know like for the guys you know

[00:33:28] like yeah yeah yeah yeah women like Terry lat too because she didn't take any mess like she

[00:33:35] took no shit yeah yeah and you know like and I was like oh I like her yeah yeah she really stood

[00:33:42] toe-to-toe she was like no we talked about how they sort of like tested the waters with you know

[00:33:50] that kiss between you know the eighth doctor and and you know and and death me there but you

[00:33:58] know you really felt you felt like there was like this sort of blossoming love affair you know what I mean

[00:34:05] yeah yeah yes you were waiting I mean that was how anticipation was like yeah come on very palpable

[00:34:11] and and I you know it's so funny you know like look everybody's gonna have their opinions the same thing with

[00:34:17] Star Trek you know what I mean people are gonna like certain things are not going to like certain

[00:34:20] like people they bring in and not or this gap and or that whatever you know what I mean it's

[00:34:24] every time they're opinion I always give it the benefit of the doubt you know what I mean it's like

[00:34:30] um you know it's like all right every time in New York like I remember you know when when David

[00:34:36] Tenet was gonna you know gonna leave and I saw this new guy coming in and I'm like that's not doctor

[00:34:40] who and then the minute he's like oh and it's like oh yeah that's the doctor you know

[00:34:45] you know even um you know even with Jody look I will look here's a thing did I want a female doctor

[00:34:58] no I really kind of didn't because I really felt there needed to be at least that I don't know

[00:35:04] like to me the doctor was always male you know what I mean it was just it wasn't it's not like

[00:35:08] a sexist thing it's not trust me it's like I have no problem with that at all so I was really like

[00:35:14] you know concern am I going to be able to accept Jody as the doctor because I like her as an

[00:35:19] actress very much like a person at this and you know and I get a notice like once she started

[00:35:24] me I'm like oh yeah I heard the doctor yeah you know it's like do I like the fact that they change

[00:35:32] the gender I don't know you know what I mean it's like you know and it's for no reason at all

[00:35:38] I mean like honestly it's just you know just I don't know it was just something that but I totally

[00:35:44] accepted her as a doctor totally accepted the doctor you know I mean and I really liked her

[00:35:49] as the doctor that she was very interesting you know I mean so you know I mean that's the thing is

[00:35:54] that it does you know it does some doctors are a little bit more challenging than other ones

[00:36:01] but they all are the doctor you know and you know just give them a chance you know Peter Capaldi

[00:36:07] I didn't know if I was you know gonna you know like him as a doctor and yeah I really you know

[00:36:12] got it so it's like so that's the thing is is I think they've done a really good job with the

[00:36:18] consistency of like the storytelling some seasons are better than others some stories are better than

[00:36:24] others not all of them are gonna you know hit but you know I'll tell you I mean is there a certain

[00:36:29] episodes or stories that I love that's like classic stuff I mean Genesis of the Daleks from

[00:36:34] Tom Baker is still to me like the greatest I'll tell you blink the you know the David

[00:36:42] it's kind of on the Stephen Moffat Road that's if anybody's like okay I'm just gonna watch one doctor

[00:36:46] do which one why watch watch blink blink yeah with um um yeah Carrie Mulligan you know

[00:36:54] um is in that episode oh I know what you're talking about them yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and

[00:36:58] that's the one with the you know the weeping angels and stuff like that right right right that is

[00:37:02] just I've seen clips I've seen clips it's it's it's normal like it really is like

[00:37:10] potentially the best doctor who story you know what I mean it's just everything about it

[00:37:16] it's just brilliant I mean Stephen Moffat Road it's really just great you know what I mean and

[00:37:22] you know but it's formatted a little differently because we're following you know Carrie Mulligan

[00:37:27] you know what I mean but just that's a great introductory episode for a modern who just because it

[00:37:35] is so just perfect so now we have the 60th anniversary shows coming up so we get three

[00:37:44] movies right three episodes yeah epicenter movies there are movies yeah they're they're like

[00:37:51] I think they're about hour and a half hour and a half minutes but is it just three I mean it's like

[00:37:58] I heard three it's three okay David tenant is good no at least that's what has been released everywhere

[00:38:04] like it looked like it was yeah I know I should know this better but it's like

[00:38:13] I've been I've been I'm telling you I have been like just watching like the BBC promos and I'll

[00:38:18] go yeah okay yeah I got three and the trailers are really great because they showed you know

[00:38:24] David tenant coming back and I was like wait a minute I don't know who that much but I know that's

[00:38:28] not number he wasn't he's like back in like 10 so so he is comes back and at the end of the trailer

[00:38:37] I love his new costume too like his new yeah yeah it's really great really look school but at the end

[00:38:43] of the trailer they have shoot the shoot the other way all what do you try to tell me what do you

[00:38:48] try to tell me so they're calling this the bridge that who yeah that basically I heard this is

[00:38:56] what I read they were waiting for shooting to finish he was doing Barbie oh yeah he's

[00:39:03] doing Barbie and yeah he couldn't get him to come back and shoot the scenes that they needed for

[00:39:10] the 60th so they either had to go without doing the 60th or do the 60th with somebody else and then

[00:39:19] they today were like at a at an impasse there so David tenant came in so they could shoot the

[00:39:25] 60th they said they'll use it as a bridge and then shoot these they've already have they're filming

[00:39:30] with shoot these all we've done they're doing season two now so oh my god and I saw

[00:39:35] pictures of shooting with a with a big afro looking like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:39:39] carnaby style like oh no wait you see his British companions not too hard on the eyes either

[00:39:46] right I can't wait to see this so there's a look on his face at the end of the trailer that's just

[00:39:53] sort of like okay what is going on here so I cannot wait to see how they're waiting this up yeah

[00:39:59] look I'm going for the right to where it's like look yes could I probably find out a lot of

[00:40:04] inside information probably it's like I don't want to yeah right exactly it ruins the experience

[00:40:15] sometimes that you know and you just want to experience it for the first time with nobody else's

[00:40:24] notions or ideas or thoughts about it or opinions like coloring your experience yeah

[00:40:31] like one of my do it's really funny is I actually got to go to a press screening of the marvels

[00:40:36] the other night right one of my students like she has her captain marvel bag and she's

[00:40:41] like a huge fan like completely jealous that you know I was going to see it like days before

[00:40:47] was opening but like in class today you know she's like I don't want to hear anything like nothing

[00:40:52] I don't want to hear it's great I don't want anything nothing like that I'm like all right I respect

[00:40:56] that 100 percent I will not say anything I will you know not you know not saying you think about it

[00:41:01] but which is funny reminds me of like when endgame was coming out one of my students was going to see

[00:41:06] it the day before I was and I was seeing it like the opening day or like yeah it night show like

[00:41:12] and I told them I'm like no joke you say anything you're getting an f in my class

[00:41:18] I think I'm joking I didn't wait fucking 10 years to leave them on movies for you to spoil it the day

[00:41:26] I'm seeing it and I was exactly thank you down I understand you will be getting enough and I will

[00:41:33] fight that with if I have to with really needed a deal so I respect I respect that

[00:41:41] and that's the thing is like you know it's for me it's like you're talking about my favorite show

[00:41:46] it's like why would I want to spoil it you know like why would I want to see you know like

[00:41:53] Frasier is like one of my major high-ends who you know played Jamie with you know with Patrick

[00:41:58] Trouton you know he's a the Scottish one with a kill right this is what I really close friends

[00:42:03] like I don't like you know he was just did like they did some things where they brought back old

[00:42:09] companions with the doctor and the Tartus and it's like I didn't know he was I think you know

[00:42:14] I could have found out maybe you know I mean you know but she shouldn't have told me even if

[00:42:19] he would have told me and I didn't know about it and it was so exciting you know to see that oh

[00:42:26] my god Frasier's bad Jamie's bad you know what I mean and I got that excitement you know

[00:42:31] I mean it's like even if he could have told me I'm glad he you know I didn't know about it

[00:42:35] yeah right that that's exciting for me it's like I clearly I love this stuff

[00:42:42] oh I always had I always had like the thing like you know we do shows about different Star Trek

[00:42:51] series and stuff and like I've been on a couple of other people's shows and they're like okay

[00:42:55] give us your predictions of what you think is gonna happen in the next episode I hate that so

[00:43:02] much I'm like I cannot tell you how much I hate do I hate being a part of it I hate hearing it

[00:43:09] I mean and no disrespect to my friends shows and do that I mean like a lot of people love it

[00:43:13] I mean that's how they engage with the show is like they're excited and they want to know what's going

[00:43:19] coming next and their gears are turning right the gears in your brain are turning and you're like

[00:43:23] okay what if it's this what if it's that for me I like to go on the ride you know I trust my

[00:43:31] storytellers and I'm there for the ride and you just take me to someplace new and I don't

[00:43:39] I don't need to forecast where we're going I just go with you and it'll be experience it

[00:43:44] and that's it like that's I'm letting to me I want to let the storyteller do their job

[00:43:50] that's I could not agree with that or like you know what I mean it's like I mean it's like

[00:43:56] I mean it's a thing it's like I love the fact that I'm not like some jaded asshole you know what

[00:44:00] I mean like you know what I mean it's like I'm still excited about it like you know like

[00:44:05] I was excited to see the marvels even though I know it's not getting great reviews and stuff

[00:44:09] but it was like I was still excited to see it because I was seeing a new Marvel movie right yeah

[00:44:13] right and they haven't really let me down only a couple of times and that wasn't so awful you know

[00:44:19] I mean and it's like I love that I'm still a kid at heart you know I can enjoy this stuff

[00:44:27] and experience it you know and I'll be there I can't wait for them to show you know to show this

[00:44:34] you know I mean like I can't wait to watch these I will be watching at the minute I can watch

[00:44:38] this thing you know because it's it's exciting you know I mean it's like I see new stuff and

[00:44:44] and and and speaking of like new stuff like we're really excited for the 60th anniversary but I'm

[00:44:50] super excited to see shooty up there yeah yeah and because the thing is like why wouldn't the doctor

[00:44:57] be a non white man you know like you know like I mean it's like they've got like

[00:45:04] otherwise how are these how's the species like reproducing it all it's like a cue it's like a

[00:45:08] cue in Star Trek like why does a cue need to be a white man it is a doubt the you know anyway

[00:45:15] so I'm really excited for it you know because it's I think it's so important for people to be

[00:45:21] able to see themselves yeah you know and I've seen some of his different you know the costumes he's

[00:45:27] wearing yeah interesting it's like you know it's always weird because it's like I watched like

[00:45:34] I didn't know who he was as an you know as an actor so I watch some like things on him and I'm like

[00:45:39] oh this guy is interesting yeah yeah this is gonna be an interesting take on it you know

[00:45:45] like so yeah I'm looking to see what he he brings to it because look I mean it is I mean

[00:45:51] those things like I still went with Joe you know what I mean it's like all right you know it wasn't

[00:45:56] me being like yeah it's got you and it's like all right yeah really letting me down before so it's

[00:46:01] like you know let's just let's just go within see because you know like he said just wait a

[00:46:06] couple of years no I am I am interested to see Disney's hand in this because now you were talking

[00:46:17] about the budgets and so they're coming in here with I'm sure a truckload of money for you know

[00:46:22] the new season why even mine it's still BBC you know what I mean so yes it is so they will

[00:46:29] just be doing the distribution Disney that's what's going on it's like well here's something funny

[00:46:33] I actually had a meeting at Disney Plus right after they announced right after they announced it

[00:46:40] right and I mean with this executive and I'm like hey before we get into what we're talking about

[00:46:45] it's gonna be a front with you but you know when I showed him the Tartus console I showed him my

[00:46:51] dollar you know what I mean it's like don't suppose you're involved with Dr. Who are you actually

[00:46:57] because actually I was because I left but I was I was like one of the executives when it was

[00:47:03] first brought in I'm like okay so this is what you need to do you need to get back on Dr. Who

[00:47:08] and then you need to write some episodes right yeah because you know he was to do that

[00:47:14] because the odds of them letting him right episode are pretty slim to none so just your own sub

[00:47:20] and I'm like I had to ask yeah come on there's always a first time yeah yeah exactly you know

[00:47:29] you know you know I have a standing thing with my with my manager you know in my agent something

[00:47:34] that when I was going like you know I just want you to know most of the things I'm doing is this

[00:47:39] so one day I can write a doctor you know I was like you know big enough to you know so

[00:47:45] you know I like the fact that I want to sat on the word I think that's gonna help you know exactly

[00:47:50] you know I mean we should have come over and have played American parts here I don't know why they

[00:47:55] can't reciprocate because listen thank you so it's like who's the king is played by a Brit

[00:48:01] I mean come on now why all you need something for me yeah exactly so I mean like the thing is

[00:48:08] it's like my whole plan is just like yeah it's good because like I said I get an audio adventure

[00:48:14] I did a you know a dr.u comic book I've been in books and stuff like that you know I mean so it's

[00:48:20] like this is living out my childhood fantasy you know I mean like literally but I

[00:48:25] you know I mean it's like I'm sure you could I'm sure you could adjust the dialogues so that it would

[00:48:30] sound British yeah yeah well like I was like when I wrote that that audio adventure like

[00:48:37] it's like be careful what you wish for and then I did a you know I did a I asked him can I do

[00:48:44] a Tom Baker Sarah James story because that would be the thing the thing I would feel most comfortable

[00:48:49] with it's like the terror of like a crop I now need to write their dialogue yeah

[00:48:57] you know a lot of responsibility here that you know it didn't you know like I got what I got

[00:49:03] that brass ring but I'm like you know I'm gonna do it right

[00:49:09] I think it's like my story my story like is part of it almost like the the subplot of it is the

[00:49:20] you know how he got the coat rack in the turret because you should have a coat rack

[00:49:24] it is actually blue it's like the origin story of a coat rack

[00:49:28] I love it I love it the story we does not the story but it's like it sort of done tails with

[00:49:36] like that's how you got the color so it's like you know they need you call they need you to know what

[00:49:42] they miss it yeah just like every I'm it's like every time we do a show every time like we've

[00:49:47] done so many we did one other on Doctor Who I feel like um so energized is just like okay I'm

[00:49:55] gonna go back and watch all this Doctor Who now and I'm still so late like I did actually start

[00:50:00] watching from modern air um but I still have more you know like I mean I didn't even make it through

[00:50:08] that season and not because I didn't like it or anything it's because I loved it but I mean

[00:50:12] just had so much other stuff that I had to keep up on for this job here yeah I was like I can't

[00:50:20] keep up but it's like now it's turned into because it fits really perfectly just like when I

[00:50:28] when I feel like I want to watch some trek but I'm tired of watching the same thing I've already seen

[00:50:34] a million gazillion times then I turn to Doctor Who and it scratches that that itch for me and

[00:50:43] it's and it's like and now it's becoming more of something that I that I'm doing more frequently

[00:50:49] like you know because I just really appreciating the show a lot a lot more you know and I'm sat

[00:50:56] you know and it's so and I get it like I mean it's just like if people come to Star Trek and they're

[00:51:00] like there's so much where do I start I don't even know you know and you just start somewhere

[00:51:07] it doesn't matter you know it's all you know and that's the way I'm taking it and now you know

[00:51:13] it's just it's lovely and I'm really glad that you could come on and and share your enthusiasm

[00:51:20] about it I mean I think that's the thing that really gets me jazzed up is like you talk to people

[00:51:24] who love when you talk to somebody who loves something so much it gets you excited about it too

[00:51:29] and you see it from their point of view and now you just can't wait to go and try it on again

[00:51:34] it was such comfort to me growing up because like I said like it grew up in the sports community

[00:51:39] I was like really misunderstood because I was sort of this horror sci-fi fan and it was so

[00:51:44] there was such comfort that doctor who provided in you know in my life and I you know like it's

[00:51:48] that I watch Star Trek also but it was just something about Doctor Who just made me feel like anything

[00:51:54] was possible do you know what I mean and you know I had sort of this handle you know handle on it and

[00:52:00] how exciting would that be to travel in time and space you know what I mean you can go infinite you

[00:52:04] know on these infinite adventures and you know I think that's what I really you know loved about it

[00:52:10] and and I you know it is never weighed I mean it is never weighed I so appreciate it and

[00:52:19] and and I mean obviously clearly I keep on pointing to behind me but it really you know

[00:52:25] I sit in my desk over there so I see the Tartus console you know I mean like it was like really

[00:52:30] awesome is I just rented out my dollic and my the console to I don't know if you guys saw but they

[00:52:37] just released a magic the gathering Doctor Who set you know it's four different like sets of Doctor

[00:52:43] Who you know classic and modern Doctor Who and they rented out the Tartus console they actually

[00:52:49] had a permission from the BBC which was really interesting and they rented the Tartus console

[00:52:54] and the the dollic you know from me and you know I got to go and set with it and this is just like a

[00:52:59] model it's like you know it was not about the money because this is a you it's like if I can

[00:53:08] give me joy we'll figure it out like I told the the R-director in the push I'm like we'll

[00:53:13] figure it out you know just make sure my time's taken care because I do you know I'm professional

[00:53:17] and you know my time is valuable to me but I go if you think I'm not going to be involved with

[00:53:25] this I mean you know what I mean it's like I probably pay them you know what I mean because

[00:53:31] I mean that's what magic the gathering is now doing Doctor Who I mean how cool is that

[00:53:36] let me tell you something with Doctor Who is on the cover of was entertainment weekly

[00:53:40] you know what I mean I remember that and I was like you everyone

[00:53:44] so yeah right right I told you I told you

[00:53:49] it's like when when when Doctor Who became a phenomenon they brought it back and it really

[00:53:54] became like special when tenant was and it was like everywhere and people outed

[00:53:59] and like my kids friends were dressing up like Doctor Who and like you know I mean it's like

[00:54:03] I told you all you're a hit and it's like I'm laughing at this denated kid watching PBS

[00:54:15] you may fuck me for one show now everybody the greatest thing ever

[00:54:24] I think like so many of us feel so vindicated so many we are truly

[00:54:29] vindicated in so many ways now like y'all made my life a miserable freaking hell growing up

[00:54:35] because I was a nerd and had like and now look at your asses blowing old person

[00:54:41] see all kinds of superheroes and you know I'm sick y'all so behind

[00:54:47] well Paul I know you got a you got to run so you know we just want to say thank you so much

[00:54:52] for spending some time with us we really appreciate it and you know we love talking to you

[00:54:58] you know we love you like you really had to twist my heart you want to come back on and

[00:55:05] your favorite students it's like

[00:55:10] literally like this I was so excited about setting up my office to

[00:55:14] from to maximize you know like the the impact moving stuff around making sure the light

[00:55:20] that was good I tested the light I tested so much lighting

[00:55:25] lighting stars and brought it they were waiting for the last hour and a half because I wanted

[00:55:29] this to look great because you're professional this is a lie

[00:55:33] why do my mentor always be grasshopper yeah

[00:55:39] I'm really glad that you guys are like branching out and doing some doctor who and

[00:55:45] you know I hope you're your viewers who haven't really you know watch it will we'll check it out and

[00:55:51] um yeah and like hey I want like Facebook if you ever want to reach out to me and like

[00:55:56] I'm always happy to talk to Dr. Hoot fans and you know I show Dr. Hoot fans the Tartus all the time

[00:56:01] where I bring it to conventions like Gala Frey one is like the main you know when I go to

[00:56:06] that's usually like in you know January February um and uh yeah I'm like I last year the

[00:56:13] Dr. Hoot convention I interviewed Chris Chimnell on stage in the main hall you know really amazing

[00:56:19] so it's like yeah the little boy me like I'm interviewing the producer of Dr. Hoot in front

[00:56:25] of entire audience available I mean that's incredible that's so cool that's incredible

[00:56:32] like boy makes good it's not yeah it's not lost it's not lost on me ever do you know what I mean

[00:56:39] that I can't believe that the thing that really meant so much to me as a child and really did help

[00:56:47] you know what I mean like help me get through being at a school that was all into sports you know what

[00:56:53] you know in my movie encounter you know there's Dr. Hoot references in there you know what I mean

[00:56:58] there's all these Dr. Hoot references that I had to slip in there because you know it's sort of my

[00:57:03] thank you you know what I mean it's me you know to you know thank you for inspiring me and

[00:57:12] and you know I just yeah I mean you guys know because your deep sleep you got that right

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[00:58:42] and so we want to shout out to the baddest engineer do me a you want to take that oh yeah yeah thanks

[00:58:48] I was like oh she's doing my part that's cool I'm just gonna sit back and chill yeah we go of course

[00:58:53] we got to shout out the baddest engineer in any and all universes that's dose the anonymous one

[00:58:58] these responsible for all the music you hear on this show as well as our production services so if

[00:59:04] you need them hit them up on instagram dose underscore the anonymous underscore one and we love you oh

[00:59:10] here's your theme song dose dose dose dose dose dose okay I forgot I missed you things on we love you guys

[00:59:18] thanks for listening we love you to call peace loving here Greece bye

[00:59:30] hey everybody it's sister to me here with the shorty shoutouts for this month the sci-fi

[00:59:35] sisters would like to thank lj terror Jefferson holly smith burner debt Garcia galvez ronda jeep

[00:59:44] Kendra stranad Rita percent nethesaw Marcus bigum mark richman bill erickson zakiya gram

[00:59:53] linda and a rag Travis Taylor Jeffrey Cochran all decline peter heistler Olga craft chuk

[01:00:02] TJ Jackson Bay lies a alt break Kaylee is a wacky Sam Druck Dickinson Stephanie Baker

[01:00:11] sailor marge Stephanie dole starbees centaur 42 10 productions jimall Taylor Scott jensen

[01:00:21] and Bradley J.R. pool Howard Hogan L.M the chief Ernesto Castania Timothy bomb Dave A. Gregory Eve

[01:00:33] england dafe boston Karen germara su kay and Marie Muhammad nor Susan V grunner and Anna post

[01:00:46] thank you all so much for your contributions we love y'all peace loving air grease