Star Trek DS9 "Duet"

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[00:01:02] Hey, you're doing good over there, good. Chris, how are you doing up there in Canada?

[00:01:07] I'm doing well. I'm about to start shooting my film in a couple of weeks.

[00:01:11] I have everybody cast, so I'm excited.

[00:01:13] What's the name of your film?

[00:01:15] Wicked Choice, which is based on a true story.

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[00:01:49] This week, folks, I'm really excited because I got to pick the topic and we're going DSpace9.

[00:01:56] And I'm really excited because as I was thinking, I've had DSpace9 on the mind, on my heart for a long time.

[00:02:03] But as this time draw nearer to record, I was trying to figure out what aspect of DSpace9 do I want to talk about or celebrate or dive into.

[00:02:16] And I decided to go episodic and pick an actual episode rather than talk about just a general theme or several episodes.

[00:02:24] So, tonight, we're going to focus on Season 1, Episode 19 called Duet.

[00:02:32] And here's just a quick, quick summary of that episode from our friends at Memory Alpha.

[00:02:39] After a Cardassian man arrives on the station suffering from an illness that he could only have contracted at a Bajoran labor camp during the occupation, Major Kira leads an investigation to determine whether he is actually a notorious war criminal.

[00:02:57] So, guys, I love DSpace9.

[00:03:01] You guys, Chris, you're my DSpace9 buddy on the show.

[00:03:06] And so, just let's, how about, do you guys remember watching this episode before this podcast?

[00:03:15] Or did you have any impressions prior to watching it for the podcast?

[00:03:20] I watched this.

[00:03:22] Oh, sorry.

[00:03:23] You can go ahead.

[00:03:24] No, no, you go.

[00:03:25] Go.

[00:03:26] I watched this, like, a lot of times, way before this podcast.

[00:03:32] It was one of those things where I would just watch a ton of DSpace9 in the summer, specifically summer 2006.

[00:03:37] I love Season 6, but then I feel like that summer, too, I just really also started watching and enjoying Season 1 and 2.

[00:03:45] And this is one of those ones where I watched and was like, wow, this is an episode.

[00:03:49] This is really well done.

[00:03:53] I remember seeing this.

[00:03:54] You know, I did watch DSpace9 in its original run, especially the first few seasons.

[00:04:00] And since then, you know, I've rewatched a bunch of it.

[00:04:02] So, I've definitely seen this more than once.

[00:04:04] I was a little surprised that this was the episode you chose to pick.

[00:04:11] And do you guys remember early on in our podcasting days, we did an episode that was like the trauma of Picard?

[00:04:18] Chris, I think it was your idea to do that.

[00:04:20] Oh, yeah.

[00:04:21] Yeah, maybe.

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:22] Yeah.

[00:04:22] So, all I could think is, I don't know if this might be the episode or we should do this some other time, but we need to do something similar.

[00:04:29] The trauma of Kira Narice.

[00:04:32] Right.

[00:04:33] Talk about somebody who probably has a lot to be processing.

[00:04:40] Yeah.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:42] Yeah.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] I remember early on in DSpace9's history, I was a young, immature man, just a kid.

[00:04:53] And Kira was not my favorite.

[00:04:57] Now, as I grew older and I started watching DSpace9 again, I went, oh my gosh, what an amazing character Kira is.

[00:05:08] And so, this episode for me is really a milestone episode.

[00:05:14] It's really a really great Kira episode because she goes through a type of evolution or transformation with how she views this Cardassian.

[00:05:26] And she thinks she knows one thing and she's pretty sure.

[00:05:31] And she goes after it, right?

[00:05:33] This is one thing we've grown to love about Kira.

[00:05:36] When she thinks she's right, she goes for it.

[00:05:39] And she does what she has to.

[00:05:41] And so, we see that in this episode, but there's a couple twists here and there.

[00:05:45] And it's just a really great Kira episode.

[00:05:49] Acted phenomenally well, by the way.

[00:05:53] I think especially the final scene is one of the Na'Visitor's best scenes in all of Star Trek.

[00:06:01] Yeah.

[00:06:02] I also think it's one of those ones where it's like, if you're watching DS9, when did it come out?

[00:06:09] Was it 93?

[00:06:11] I think it was 93.

[00:06:12] So, you're watching in 93, maybe, you know, spring 94.

[00:06:18] And you're not sure because it's like, it's different.

[00:06:20] I think this is the episode where it's like, okay, I see what they're going for.

[00:06:24] If they can keep this up, then we have ourselves a hit.

[00:06:26] I feel like this is like the standout episode of season one.

[00:06:31] Maybe Enhanced the Prophets is also up there.

[00:06:33] It's pretty good.

[00:06:34] But this is like the episode for season one.

[00:06:38] I find it interesting that you said that, you know, Kira was not one of your favorite characters originally.

[00:06:43] Because when the show came on, both Kira and Dax were absolutely, they were my favorite back then.

[00:06:49] They're still my favorite now.

[00:06:50] And I think it was because I was very well aware.

[00:06:53] So, I was in college at the time.

[00:06:54] And I was very, very, very well aware that these were very different roles for them.

[00:06:59] Like while we had women in like, you know, in forefront roles.

[00:07:07] You know, so we had Dr. Crusher, we had Troy.

[00:07:09] They were in caregiver roles.

[00:07:11] Now here you have strong, and they were strong women, but they were still in caregiver roles.

[00:07:16] Now here you have some strong women that are not in caregiver roles.

[00:07:21] And I remember just processing that at the time, being incredibly impressed with that and really happy to see that on screen at the time.

[00:07:32] See, and for me, it wasn't 93.

[00:07:34] I think I went into college around 98.

[00:07:37] I think I graduated high school at 98-ish era.

[00:07:41] And so for me, it wasn't until then when I got into college and started, you know, you just start seeing the world differently, obviously.

[00:07:48] You know, I mean, you mature, you grow up, you experience more things.

[00:07:51] And so your opinions change and your ideas change.

[00:07:55] And so I think watching the series again a second time through in all the reruns was just like, whoa, why was I so irritated by this originally?

[00:08:07] Now I'm like, this is amazing.

[00:08:09] These are breakthrough roles for women, frankly.

[00:08:14] And just incredible.

[00:08:16] In this episode, Chris, you nailed it on the head.

[00:08:18] That was something I was going to mention is I think this is perhaps the best episode of season one.

[00:08:24] And certainly any of the other series would have loved to have a season one episode like this in them that was just on a deeper level.

[00:08:34] And, you know, this is kind of.

[00:08:37] Also, you think about it.

[00:08:38] This is a very low budget episode.

[00:08:42] There's not a lot of action happening outside the space station.

[00:08:45] And they don't even show a lot of inside.

[00:08:48] It's mostly the infirmary, right?

[00:08:52] The infirmary?

[00:08:53] No, sorry, not the.

[00:08:55] The security office.

[00:08:56] Yes.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:58] Infirmary is the medical stuff, right?

[00:09:00] So.

[00:09:00] Yes.

[00:09:01] So you see a little bit of that with Dr.

[00:09:03] Bashir, I guess.

[00:09:04] But just it's a low budget episode, but such a character driven, story driven episode.

[00:09:11] It's really worth seeing.

[00:09:12] If you haven't watched this episode, it's season one, episode 19 called Duet.

[00:09:17] And it's worth watching.

[00:09:19] It's it's I would put this in if we were doing a top 20 ranking.

[00:09:24] I don't know if I could get it into a top 10, but a top 20, I could see me rank and do

[00:09:29] wet as a top 20 episode.

[00:09:32] I would agree.

[00:09:32] I think it's definitely at least a top 20.

[00:09:34] And on Netflix, where I'm looking at it, it shows as episode 18.

[00:09:39] Oh, is it?

[00:09:40] It may be.

[00:09:40] I don't know if.

[00:09:41] Or they might have just depending on how they counted the first one, the emissary.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:45] It's all you know.

[00:09:46] Yeah.

[00:09:47] Yeah.

[00:09:47] Yeah.

[00:09:47] Because on.

[00:09:48] Don't you see.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:50] That makes sense.

[00:09:53] Yeah.

[00:09:54] I'd really have to completely rewatch the whole season to say what I think, because,

[00:09:57] you know, I enjoyed a lot of season one where you especially the Ferengi stuff,

[00:10:03] the Ferengi episodes just throughout, you know, Deep Space Nine.

[00:10:06] I really love Ferengi focused things.

[00:10:09] There was an episode in season one where Lwaxana Troy visits for the first time.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] That's.

[00:10:14] So I, there were to me a lot of, a lot of fun and interesting things.

[00:10:19] I remember being when, when Deep Space Nine started, I do remember being skeptical of

[00:10:25] there being a Star Trek show that was just going to be on a space station.

[00:10:29] Like, how is that going to be any fun or interesting?

[00:10:31] Yeah.

[00:10:31] Yeah.

[00:10:31] The fact that they, I think they did a lot in that first season to show how it could be

[00:10:35] interesting.

[00:10:36] Hey, look, all these new species are going to come here.

[00:10:39] You know, we're going to fully develop, you know, some of the, you know, start developing

[00:10:44] these species that we hadn't developed so, you know, well yet.

[00:10:47] Like the Ferengi.

[00:10:48] We're going to bring in some characters that are familiar, you know.

[00:10:51] I think they did a lot of good, interesting things that first season.

[00:10:54] Oh, they did.

[00:10:54] Yeah.

[00:10:54] What I should say is like, I love season one.

[00:10:56] I go back to it a lot.

[00:10:57] I think it's like, there's a lot of good episodes that are fun, that are maybe not

[00:11:01] great, that are not going to be in the top 20, but they're enjoyable.

[00:11:05] And even the worst episodes in season one have really good banter.

[00:11:09] Like there's one, I go back to this one a lot.

[00:11:12] It's a guilty favorite.

[00:11:13] Wish it were horses.

[00:11:14] And it's like Rumpelstiltskin comes along and it's all this weird stuff.

[00:11:19] But Quark and Odo's conversation at the beginning makes everything worth it.

[00:11:23] Which conversation was that?

[00:11:25] That wasn't the Rupier one.

[00:11:26] The Rupier conversation came a lot later, right?

[00:11:28] No, that's the Rupier.

[00:11:28] That's the way of the warrior.

[00:11:29] But it's just, I don't even remember exactly, specifically what the conversation was, but

[00:11:33] I was watching it recently and it's just like, it's so good.

[00:11:36] I think they were talking about imagination or something, but it was a good, just any back and

[00:11:41] forth with them is fun.

[00:11:42] So you're right, Adina, I think DS9 season one does a good job of establishing it.

[00:11:46] It's just that you can't, I don't think you can say anything bad about duet.

[00:11:51] I think it's up there.

[00:11:53] No, I have nothing bad to say about this episode.

[00:11:55] Classic.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:57] Yeah.

[00:11:57] And ladies and gentlemen too, did you notice how quickly Christian Fox came up with the

[00:12:02] episode reference for the Rupier conversation?

[00:12:05] It was lightning fast, no hesitation, no looking up on memory alpha, nothing.

[00:12:10] Just, he just had it right there in his memory and retention.

[00:12:14] Really awesome and amazing.

[00:12:15] I definitely don't watch it a lot.

[00:12:17] Yeah.

[00:12:18] No, I never watch it.

[00:12:19] So speaking of Cork and Odo conversations, they have the briefest of conversations.

[00:12:26] And my heart went out for Armin Shimmerman for this episode because he was literally in one

[00:12:32] scene with Odo and it was a brief conversation.

[00:12:38] It was, it's kind of had a little bit of the banter back and forth real briefly, but poor

[00:12:43] Armin probably spent eight hours in makeup for a 30 second scene, you know, in this episode,

[00:12:49] of course, you know, they get paid, you know, that's why they get paid to do that stuff.

[00:12:53] But really, this is such a Kira focused episode.

[00:12:56] We hardly saw Dax.

[00:12:58] We saw her for like a minute too.

[00:12:59] We hardly saw Chief O'Brien.

[00:13:01] We saw him for a minute.

[00:13:02] Even Sisko was not, you know, there was a little bit, but it was mostly Kira and Odo

[00:13:07] and a bit of Bashir.

[00:13:09] Like, but even still, like it was really Kira and some Odo, which, okay, that happens.

[00:13:17] And I think they all get paid this, like, I think like their rates don't change based on

[00:13:21] how many scenes, right?

[00:13:22] That's what I'm assuming that they get, if they're in an episode, they get paid for the

[00:13:25] episode.

[00:13:26] I have no idea.

[00:13:27] I have no idea.

[00:13:28] We have to ask them.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:30] I don't know.

[00:13:31] Next actor we have on the show.

[00:13:33] We need to ask them about that.

[00:13:35] How did you get paid?

[00:13:36] For all we know, there were scenes that got cut that we never saw that they, you know,

[00:13:40] and I would assume that they would have gotten paid for that work too.

[00:13:42] So, so maybe there was, there was more reason for Armand Shimmerman to get in the makeup

[00:13:47] that we just didn't see.

[00:13:48] But I think generally speaking, they like, whenever you have a large cast like this, they

[00:13:54] always try to make sure that even if there's an episode focused only on one character, they're

[00:13:59] going to have every character come on, do a bit, like have a, have a very brief scene

[00:14:03] just so that it's like they're there, they're not being wasted.

[00:14:07] Yeah.

[00:14:09] Well, so what, so as, as you, did you guys watch this episode fresh or did, have you

[00:14:17] seen it enough times you were able to just pull from?

[00:14:21] I watched it a lot.

[00:14:22] There's no condemnation either way.

[00:14:24] But I tried to watch today, but then I was like, I can't, I can't watch it and, you

[00:14:29] know, do work.

[00:14:30] So I was like, let me not watch it.

[00:14:31] So I watched like the first 10 minutes and I was like, wow, just again, blown away.

[00:14:36] Yeah.

[00:14:37] I had to watch it two days ago.

[00:14:38] Yeah.

[00:14:39] Okay.

[00:14:40] So I've watched this episode twice in the last week.

[00:14:46] Usually while eating lunch.

[00:14:47] Uh, and I just got to say the second time through the first time through, I was really struck

[00:14:55] by how serious, how deep, how hard the content of this episode is.

[00:15:00] And again, it's all verbally expressed.

[00:15:02] We don't see Bajoran slave camps.

[00:15:05] We don't see anybody dying except for the end.

[00:15:08] Uh, you know, alert.

[00:15:12] What, what do we call that?

[00:15:13] Uh, spoiler.

[00:15:14] It's called a spoiler alert.

[00:15:15] I can't think of the word stinking spoiler.

[00:15:17] No stinking spoiler alert.

[00:15:19] Uh, but you know, it's mostly Nana's.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:25] Like her character and Kira Norris, you know, trying to explain everything.

[00:15:29] Cause when the fake gold, our heel, you know, is when he's going off on all the things he's,

[00:15:37] he's embellishing.

[00:15:38] So it's really still through, through major Kira that we are getting all of that.

[00:15:44] Like you weren't there.

[00:15:46] You know, did you see all these bad things happening?

[00:15:49] I don't want to say.

[00:15:50] And cause there are bad things happening that happened.

[00:15:53] I don't know what else to say after that.

[00:15:55] One of the things that, that really struck me about this episode.

[00:15:59] I rarely go back to the first season when I watched deep space nine.

[00:16:03] Okay.

[00:16:05] I rarely do that with next generation.

[00:16:08] Although there's a few that I really like in that first season.

[00:16:13] Um, Voyager.

[00:16:14] I need to start watching again afresh because we just had Lisa clink on and she made me want

[00:16:20] to watch Voyager all over again.

[00:16:21] So thank you, Lisa.

[00:16:22] We appreciate you.

[00:16:23] I'm in the middle of season five of my.

[00:16:26] Are you really?

[00:16:27] No, that's cool.

[00:16:28] Enterprise.

[00:16:29] I like the whole series.

[00:16:30] I'll, I'll watch all kinds of episodes.

[00:16:32] Doesn't matter what season.

[00:16:33] Um, and the same thing for the new stuff.

[00:16:36] I just, there's episodes.

[00:16:38] I like all over the place.

[00:16:39] So, but deep space nine is not one.

[00:16:41] I was really struck guys by how different the music felt for this series compared to next

[00:16:48] generation.

[00:16:49] There's definitely some lingering connecting things there, but this deep space nine has

[00:16:56] such a heroic tone to it when it comes to the music.

[00:16:59] Um, and there's, there's that, that trumpet or that fugal horn or, or bassoon or something

[00:17:09] that sticks out, uh, throughout the composition.

[00:17:13] And we see that at the end of this episode as, um, he's assassinated at the end and killed

[00:17:21] at the end, stabbed in the back.

[00:17:23] No, no, nonetheless.

[00:17:25] Um, that we see those tones and that thing come out and it's really effective.

[00:17:30] I think it really helped make deep space nine feel different.

[00:17:33] Um, even beyond just the fact they're in a space station and their uniforms were different

[00:17:38] too.

[00:17:39] Um, and what do you guys, what did you guys think of the uniforms originally?

[00:17:43] Cause originally I was kind of like, Oh, I miss next generation.

[00:17:48] You know, I, I don't like them.

[00:17:50] And I'm also just, I've never been a big fan of, of the Bajoran militia uniform.

[00:17:55] I think I like, I actually can't decide if I like the Brown more.

[00:18:00] I think maybe Kira season sevens uniform is actually pretty good, but yeah, I don't like,

[00:18:06] I don't like the Starfleet uniforms in this for some reason, even though Voyager has the

[00:18:10] same uniforms, there's something that just in DS9, I don't think works as well.

[00:18:15] But when they get the first contact uniforms, I'm like, I'm all about that.

[00:18:18] Those were, those were kicking uniforms.

[00:18:21] The first contact uniforms.

[00:18:22] I was never, um, bothered, I guess I never had strong feelings one way or another.

[00:18:28] Again, I remember when the show came out, you know, again, noticing all the differences.

[00:18:32] Um, but I didn't have strong feelings about that difference.

[00:18:37] It's like, okay, these are different uniforms.

[00:18:38] This is what they're doing with uniforms.

[00:18:40] Okay.

[00:18:40] Like, okay.

[00:18:42] Uh, but yeah, I, the Bajoran one, you know, the, the thing that major cure wears, again,

[00:18:50] it was obvious.

[00:18:52] And now that I'm also, you know, again, we're watching Voyager and seeing, you know, seven

[00:18:57] of nine, it was obvious at the time that these like, okay, we are going to put the, these

[00:19:04] stick figure of people in these thinnest uniforms that only the stick figure of people could

[00:19:10] possibly ever wear.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:12] Um, and so I remember being aware of that at the time and a little frustrated with that.

[00:19:17] But also like, it wasn't just these shows that was a sign of the times.

[00:19:23] It was probably any show on TV in the mid nineties had a similar, you know, thing like, yep.

[00:19:31] Only these people can wear it.

[00:19:33] Are you talking about Kira's like main uniform in season one?

[00:19:37] Because I'm looking at a picture and there's another dude who has like her uniform or her

[00:19:41] variant.

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:42] And so a lot of men, I do notice where, so that's the one good thing compared to sevens

[00:19:47] where it was made by the doctor and that's a little weird.

[00:19:50] Yeah.

[00:19:52] The doctor made her uniform?

[00:19:53] At least the version that Kira wore was pretty darn form fitting to Kira.

[00:19:59] Oh, for sure.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] Okay.

[00:20:01] As opposed to the Starfleet uniform, if I look at, you know, Dax and stuff, as opposed

[00:20:06] to, there was a big difference between how Dax's uniform fell on her versus Kira's, which

[00:20:12] is a little surprising that they didn't then do that to Dax.

[00:20:16] But yeah.

[00:20:18] So like I said, but the Starfleet uniforms didn't, I'm going to say, I'm going to say

[00:20:22] didn't bother, you know, didn't bother me.

[00:20:25] That's okay.

[00:20:26] We can disagree on that, I guess, if we have to, right?

[00:20:31] Sure.

[00:20:33] So what else stood out to you guys?

[00:20:36] I really loved the, you know, they could have gone different ways with this episode.

[00:20:42] They could have gone courtroom, more courtroom-ish, you know, where somehow they put him on trial

[00:20:47] right there on the station or bring him down to the planet to put him on trial.

[00:20:51] A lot of the interactions were in the jail cell between the force field, you know, keeping

[00:20:59] him inside the jail cell.

[00:21:01] And that, I really loved that actually.

[00:21:04] I thought that that was a really powerful interaction.

[00:21:08] And the actor who played Maritza was just phenomenal.

[00:21:14] Really well done.

[00:21:15] I think we, it just continues the legacy of great actors playing Cardassians in Next Generation,

[00:21:24] but also with Deep Space Nine, probably more prominently.

[00:21:28] And just phenomenal.

[00:21:30] Like, I'm watching this episode going, did this guy even come close to getting an Emmy

[00:21:36] nod as a guest role on a series?

[00:21:39] Because watching his performance, I'm like, wow, this dude is amazing.

[00:21:45] And I'm feeling everything.

[00:21:48] Yeah.

[00:21:49] I was going to say, the one thing that stood out to me that I forgot about was that first

[00:21:52] scene with Kira, where she's talking about the atrocities and just that monologue.

[00:21:58] It's just so well done.

[00:22:00] And you get such a, it's a perfect thing of, she's saying what happened and we're not having

[00:22:05] to see it.

[00:22:06] We're not having to see anything graphic.

[00:22:08] But like, her conviction and like the way she delivered that speech is just amazing.

[00:22:14] A lot of, and I love that about this episode.

[00:22:17] I think it's probably intentionally a low budget episode being it's one of the last episode

[00:22:24] of the season.

[00:22:26] But when you think about just from a directing point of view, people like Alfred Hitchcock,

[00:22:34] it was more about what you didn't see that terrified you in his films.

[00:22:39] It was more the actors portraying something.

[00:22:43] You didn't even see the horrible thing they were witnessing half the time.

[00:22:47] You know, it was what the actor was doing with their eyes and with their face.

[00:22:53] Steven Spielberg will say the same thing.

[00:22:55] Even in the original Jurassic Park movie, there are several times they could have gone in for

[00:23:01] the gore.

[00:23:01] He chose to show it happening behind a bunch of leaves or a tree or a big log or something.

[00:23:07] You know, it was more what you heard and what was suggested that made it so powerful or even

[00:23:14] terrifying.

[00:23:15] And so I think for this episode, like they just, the writing on this episode and the acting,

[00:23:21] this is a really great example of writing and acting coming together in a way that just

[00:23:27] makes it explode in good ways in front of you, you know?

[00:23:31] No, I think it's great.

[00:23:33] The one thing that kept bothering me and I feel bad that this bothers me because as a science

[00:23:40] fiction writer, I feel like I should be accepting of this, but I have a hard time with this concept

[00:23:45] of there's this disease that could only have been contracted during a mining accident.

[00:23:52] Yeah.

[00:23:52] Yeah.

[00:23:52] How does that work?

[00:23:56] Like I'm struggling with that.

[00:23:58] If that's like the only possible place, time, whatever.

[00:24:01] So this one disease was invented for these people after this mining accident, it's like,

[00:24:07] oh, you guys all have this disease that we have never, ever seen before.

[00:24:09] We're going to give it a name.

[00:24:10] And now it's never, ever shown itself anywhere else.

[00:24:13] Yeah.

[00:24:14] I, I, I, I mean, I, I get that.

[00:24:16] They use that as a plot device to make this all work, to prove that the dude was there.

[00:24:21] Yeah.

[00:24:21] I get it, but I'm still struggling with that.

[00:24:25] Wasn't there now this now Adina, you probably know better than me, but, uh, it wasn't there

[00:24:30] something with a military base with the United States there where the water was tainted or

[00:24:37] something.

[00:24:38] And everybody from that base now has something now may not be unique to them though.

[00:24:44] That's probably where the difference is.

[00:24:46] That's it.

[00:24:46] That's the thing is I think it's that while right.

[00:24:52] It's not a hundred percent unique to them where in this case they were implying the hundred

[00:24:56] percent uniqueness and poisoning is different than a disease.

[00:25:02] Absolutely.

[00:25:03] Yeah.

[00:25:04] And that's, that's so something about that.

[00:25:07] Your facial expression was really kind to me.

[00:25:10] Thank you very much.

[00:25:11] You, you're not being condescending to me at all.

[00:25:13] No, I mean, it's, it's, it's a valid, you know, a valid thing, but that's, that's the

[00:25:19] one thing that, that, that kind of struck me with this episode and just, I can't, that's

[00:25:24] the only thing.

[00:25:24] If I was going to have one actual critique of this episode, it's the fact that that doesn't

[00:25:29] sit well with me.

[00:25:30] But I also get it.

[00:25:32] That kind of bothered me too a little bit, but I wonder if it's just like, Hey, that's

[00:25:35] the fastest way we can convey that this guy was there at that time.

[00:25:40] And, but you're right.

[00:25:41] It is a little weird that there's, that's only like, I'm assuming that during the occupation,

[00:25:45] there were a lot of mining accidents.

[00:25:46] So you're telling me that there were no other mining accidents where they had the same

[00:25:51] disease.

[00:25:52] And then.

[00:25:52] A disease caused by a mining accident.

[00:25:55] Yeah.

[00:25:55] Yeah.

[00:25:56] You make to this one location.

[00:25:57] I wonder, I would have loved to, like we had Lisa, of course we're dropping Lisa

[00:26:01] clink's name off left and right here.

[00:26:03] But, but, you know, she told us some stories about the writer's room and going back and forth

[00:26:09] with ideas.

[00:26:09] I would love to know, was there back and forth very much with this idea or was it just kind

[00:26:16] of clunky?

[00:26:17] And they're like, we just, we're just going to live with the clunkiness of it in order

[00:26:21] to progress the story.

[00:26:22] It'd be fascinating to know what they went through in that regard.

[00:26:26] I'm trying to quickly scan memory, what it sells in memory alpha, like as we talk,

[00:26:30] because I, I, I should have done that before, but I did, I did not have time.

[00:26:35] But, um, but you know, honestly, I love that whole section on memory alpha where they do

[00:26:41] capture like some development details, especially in the story and the script, they might not

[00:26:45] always capture everything or every detail, but just the fact that there's some is kind

[00:26:49] of interesting.

[00:26:50] Like how did this, you know, come back?

[00:26:52] Like it right here, it says at the top, the, the working title of this episode was originally

[00:26:56] the higher law.

[00:26:59] And it's always interesting to be like, would that have worked?

[00:27:03] No.

[00:27:03] Duet is definitely like way, way, way better.

[00:27:07] You know, it's, it's always way better.

[00:27:09] As a musician, I like the word duet a lot too.

[00:27:12] Yeah.

[00:27:12] That's great.

[00:27:13] It's really, it's really true of this episode is these two characters are going back and

[00:27:18] forth and it's really what we're hearing.

[00:27:21] Oh, this is deep.

[00:27:22] Thanks for bringing this up, Adina.

[00:27:25] This is making me think about this from a musical point of view is that what they're, what's

[00:27:30] really happening between them is more like a cacophony of going back and forth.

[00:27:36] It's not until the end of the episode that they start to duet in true fashion where they

[00:27:41] come upon the same page.

[00:27:43] It's like they kind of understand each other all of a sudden and they start to actually

[00:27:48] sing the melody together or, you know, are on this singing the same song.

[00:27:53] And then the beautiful tragedy at the end, you know, which is really, if, if I was, if,

[00:28:02] if I was more, more said, is that how you said his name?

[00:28:07] Uh, more, uh, it's like, so I think he pretends to be Maritza.

[00:28:12] Maritza.

[00:28:13] And then he is Maritza, the file clerk, right?

[00:28:17] Maritza pretending to be the goal was really Maritza.

[00:28:21] Yes.

[00:28:22] So for Maritza, probably he was okay.

[00:28:28] If, if that helped any Bajorans on the promenade, I, I kind of feel like the way they wrote up

[00:28:36] his character, he would be okay with that, that that was actually ultimately what he was seeking

[00:28:40] with some kind of justice, some kind of understanding repentance.

[00:28:46] Um, and he was willing to be the fall guy for all of Cardassia.

[00:28:51] If that's what it took for them to repent of their sins, the tragedies, the, you know,

[00:28:59] all those things, the murders, the slavery, the abuse through the years, he was willing

[00:29:05] to be the fall guy.

[00:29:06] If it would help redeem Cardassia and help Bajorans, uh, heal.

[00:29:12] Yeah.

[00:29:13] And redeem himself because he has a great speech where he's talking about like where he's,

[00:29:17] when he's pretending to be gold, our heel.

[00:29:20] And he's sort of making fun of Maritza for crying at night and being haunted by the sounds

[00:29:27] when you can tell he's so really traumatized.

[00:29:29] Like by the fact that he heard all that screaming and he couldn't do anything about it.

[00:29:33] So this is a nice, like, this is, oh, this is how I can at least contribute.

[00:29:37] So I want to read this little bit from memory alpha about how it came about.

[00:29:42] Um, this is a quote and said that the basic premise was what would happen if you had to

[00:29:47] defend your worst enemy?

[00:29:49] What would you do if you had to be responsible for his life?

[00:29:52] Um, and so then they were going to use Kira and a Cardassian to, to play that out and,

[00:29:57] and everything.

[00:29:57] I thought, I think that, I thought that was very, that was very interesting.

[00:30:02] Yeah.

[00:30:02] That's, yeah, that's definitely a cool concept.

[00:30:04] Also, Brian, the picture of like, if you look, uh, like just above when they start talking

[00:30:10] about behind the scenes, I feel like that's when you need on your wall.

[00:30:13] It is a cool shot of the two of them.

[00:30:15] I'll check it out.

[00:30:17] I'll check it out.

[00:30:19] Yeah.

[00:30:19] I've got a, a captain Cisco from what's that episode?

[00:30:23] Uh, in, in the pale moonlight, uh, on my background here, uh, behind me hanging up

[00:30:29] on the wall.

[00:30:30] Um, D space nine is just my, I think it's my favorite.

[00:30:33] I don't, I don't think I, I can't get away from it.

[00:30:36] Um, I really love strange new worlds a lot.

[00:30:41] Um, and I'm a next gen baby, but I just do space nine for me and I love enterprise too.

[00:30:47] And, and Voyager had an on and off again relationship with, but, uh, I think I might be coming back

[00:30:53] around again to Voyager.

[00:30:55] So yeah, I'm curious to see how you feel about it.

[00:30:57] Cause I think there's a lot of good in Voyager, but it's just so hard when you compare it to

[00:31:00] S nine with how strong it is.

[00:31:02] But like, I grew up with Voyager and I love Voyager.

[00:31:05] It's a, it's definitely a happy place.

[00:31:07] Uh, Trek for me.

[00:31:08] Right.

[00:31:09] Right.

[00:31:09] So what other scenes in this episode guys stood out to you or impacted you?

[00:31:15] Um, cause there, there were a few in here that just were really powerful and well done

[00:31:20] by all the characters involved.

[00:31:23] So one thing I wanted to bring up, see if you had any take on this is I don't remember

[00:31:29] the name of the bureaucrat that Cisco is talking to, but he's talking into a Bajoran guy.

[00:31:34] But what's so interesting is that the Bajoran keeps calling him commander and doesn't make

[00:31:38] any reference to him being emissary at all.

[00:31:40] Oh, I didn't catch that.

[00:31:41] Is he not fully like accepted as the emissary at this point?

[00:31:45] I know he hasn't accepted it within himself, but I wonder if like just Bajoran in general

[00:31:52] hasn't fully come around to it because he was just like, yeah, good evening commander.

[00:31:56] Oh, hello.

[00:31:57] Commander.

[00:31:57] Very good commander.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:59] That's weird.

[00:32:00] I think you're right.

[00:32:01] I think there that he's not quite fully into that until a few more seasons where he starts

[00:32:07] to wrestle with it or embrace it more.

[00:32:11] Um, or really, he doesn't really embrace it fully until like the fifth or sixth season,

[00:32:16] right?

[00:32:17] Maybe seventh season where he really starts to embrace it, but, uh, he kind of puts up

[00:32:21] with it.

[00:32:23] And so I kind of feel like this was before they really like emissary, the, the first

[00:32:29] episode, which is still one of the best pilot episodes in all of track, in my opinion,

[00:32:34] um, you know, they went there all the way.

[00:32:37] They did the spiritual thing, which made the show different than all the other tracks,

[00:32:40] even still today to a large degree.

[00:32:42] Um, I, I think he just, they, they weren't, I don't know if they were quite sure exactly

[00:32:48] how far to take that yet.

[00:32:50] And it could also just be, it could also just be whoever wrote this episode.

[00:32:55] Didn't even think about that.

[00:32:57] Just, it wasn't a concern for this episode.

[00:32:59] I think you could also backfill in the sense that even though he was established as the

[00:33:03] emissary in episode one, that doesn't mean that every Bajoran is going to instantly accept

[00:33:08] that.

[00:33:08] Right.

[00:33:09] Yeah.

[00:33:10] Can you imagine something like that happening here?

[00:33:12] Right.

[00:33:13] You know, cause there, there are, uh, there's a segment of people who do believe that somebody

[00:33:17] is coming and let's say then somebody comes, a lot of people are going to believe that that's

[00:33:22] what happened.

[00:33:23] A lot of people are not, you know?

[00:33:25] Yeah.

[00:33:25] So it makes sense that not everyone would.

[00:33:28] And, and not everybody has to be religious.

[00:33:33] That too.

[00:33:33] Even in a Bajor world.

[00:33:35] I think there's, I think we tend, the way they wrote Bajorans into it, there, there was

[00:33:41] a lot of religious stuff there that they were dominantly religious.

[00:33:45] It appears like a lot of Bajorans were, but, uh, certainly the possibility is there's

[00:33:52] going to be people that aren't religious.

[00:33:55] One way that can happen for people is through war, through occupation.

[00:34:02] And I think, and am I mistaken, or are there a few characters that pop up here and there

[00:34:07] that actually talk about that?

[00:34:09] Like the occupation, the, the prophets turn their back on us, you know, um, stuff like that.

[00:34:16] Yeah.

[00:34:17] I feel like there's been a few people, I think, uh, like this is off on a tangent, but when

[00:34:21] Gul Dukat becomes a, uh, uh, power, no, he doesn't become a power race.

[00:34:26] Well, he does eventually, but when he starts a cult and then he kidnaps Kara and then there's

[00:34:32] a bunch of followers who I think also feel that way where it's like, well, where were

[00:34:36] they during the occupation?

[00:34:38] Right.

[00:34:39] All right.

[00:34:39] Where were the power race?

[00:34:40] Back to duet.

[00:34:41] We got to duet.

[00:34:42] So back to duet.

[00:34:44] There's one other like little, little thing that I just thought was just, I got a complete

[00:34:48] kick out of.

[00:34:50] Yeah.

[00:34:51] Maritza teaches filing.

[00:34:55] He teaches filing.

[00:34:57] Oh, he teaches filing.

[00:34:58] He teaches, he wasn't just a file clerk.

[00:35:01] That's what he's been doing for the last however many years.

[00:35:03] He's a genius.

[00:35:04] Filing.

[00:35:05] Oh, that's what he was doing at the academy, right?

[00:35:07] That they were saying when he was.

[00:35:09] He's teaching filing.

[00:35:10] Right.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:12] Hey, listen, as someone who's, who's not naturally organized, I'm, I would probably

[00:35:19] have had to take in that course at school.

[00:35:21] Sure.

[00:35:22] I think many of us would have had to take it.

[00:35:24] I thought that that was just hilarious that he's, it is funny.

[00:35:27] He's not just the file clerk.

[00:35:29] Okay, cool.

[00:35:30] Yeah.

[00:35:31] But now he's teaching it.

[00:35:32] He teaches it.

[00:35:33] And he was off getting an award.

[00:35:36] Yes.

[00:35:36] You know, they talk about, they're trying to hone into who he is in the picture and they're

[00:35:41] moving images around and stuff.

[00:35:43] And they actually discovered he was back at Cardassia getting some award for his work.

[00:35:48] No, that was the goal.

[00:35:48] That was goal.

[00:35:49] That was not him getting the award.

[00:35:50] That was goal.

[00:35:51] Oh, really?

[00:35:53] Yeah.

[00:35:53] Okay.

[00:35:54] Well, never mind.

[00:35:55] Because that was, so goal, Darheal was back at Cardassia getting an award when the

[00:35:59] mining accident happened and all these people contracted this disease that only existed

[00:36:04] during this one, like little mining accident.

[00:36:06] Yeah.

[00:36:07] That apparently you didn't get if you came back after the mining accident and you only

[00:36:10] got it during the mining accident.

[00:36:11] Yeah.

[00:36:12] You had to kiss somebody.

[00:36:15] I don't know what, what am I saying there?

[00:36:17] But yeah, it is, it is.

[00:36:20] You're right, Adina.

[00:36:21] That is the biggest part of this episode.

[00:36:22] We go, okay, I guess.

[00:36:26] I get, I get what they were trying to, you know, they, they needed something to make that

[00:36:30] all work.

[00:36:31] Okay.

[00:36:31] Yeah.

[00:36:31] So, but still, and the sad thing is actually, I don't have a better idea.

[00:36:38] Yeah.

[00:36:40] You know, I'm sure I really thought about it.

[00:36:44] I could come up with something better.

[00:36:45] The only thing I can think of is like, maybe there's some very specific mineral that only

[00:36:48] grows, but that's only in that one area, that one mining camp.

[00:36:53] And maybe there's like a residual thing.

[00:36:55] And then you get poisoned with that.

[00:36:58] And maybe that's what they were going for.

[00:37:01] I don't know.

[00:37:01] Maybe, but they said disease.

[00:37:03] They said disease.

[00:37:04] But in, in real life, there are certain, like if when you get lead in your system, that

[00:37:09] stays in your system for decades, potentially your whole life.

[00:37:13] So it's definitely reasonable to say, yep, this one mineral comes from that one place.

[00:37:18] There's nowhere else.

[00:37:19] So it's in your system.

[00:37:20] You were on that place.

[00:37:22] Maybe you can't do the timing, but you were definitely on that place.

[00:37:26] So that could have been slightly better.

[00:37:31] Yeah, that would have been.

[00:37:32] Good job, Chris.

[00:37:33] Oh, thank you.

[00:37:34] You solved the mystery.

[00:37:36] Solved the mystery.

[00:37:37] But what I will say though, is I love any time, and this episode's a great example of

[00:37:42] them using their computer and doing like investigative prime work.

[00:37:47] Because I love when Odo gets into his investigative mode, which I know we're bringing up one of

[00:37:52] our friends, our friend, Tim, Tim Russ, Tuvok, not a big fan of police procedurals, but I

[00:37:58] loved it anytime they did that on, uh, on track.

[00:38:00] And I wish we got more of more of Odo being a detective, even though he did get to quite a

[00:38:07] bit, but we could use more.

[00:38:09] So that was, that was a cool scene.

[00:38:11] I, I, my wife and I have been rewatching blue bloods.

[00:38:14] Oh, nice.

[00:38:15] I'm trying to hold off on watching the final season.

[00:38:18] Gotcha.

[00:38:19] We're, we're on, excuse me, we're on season 10.

[00:38:23] Nice.

[00:38:24] And, uh, I love in those shows and what, what would be the equivalent in Star Trek?

[00:38:30] Here's how we'll bring this back to these.

[00:38:32] So can I, I love that in the shows like that, the law and order shows, whatever, one of the

[00:38:44] main ways they progress the plot is a telephone call.

[00:38:49] Right.

[00:38:50] Okay.

[00:38:50] The detectives on the scene, he gets a phone call and, Oh, I got to go over here now.

[00:38:55] Or, Oh, that's another, you know, Hey, there's another victim over here, you know, or whatever.

[00:39:01] What would be the equivalent of that in a Star Trek episode?

[00:39:04] Would it be the communique through the beeper through their comments?

[00:39:09] You mean just to get like where they get their information from?

[00:39:12] Yeah.

[00:39:12] Information.

[00:39:13] Yeah.

[00:39:14] Yeah.

[00:39:14] That happens all the time.

[00:39:15] You know, Balana, Torres, come to the bridge.

[00:39:19] Someone.

[00:39:19] So meet me down in engineering.

[00:39:21] So come to sick bay.

[00:39:23] Yeah.

[00:39:24] I feel like it happens all the time.

[00:39:26] Yeah.

[00:39:26] Okay.

[00:39:26] I just want to say that deep of a question.

[00:39:28] I want to just say one thing about blue bloods and then we'll go back to track.

[00:39:31] Blue bloods.

[00:39:31] Something sounds wrong about like blue bloods.

[00:39:34] It sounds like a tongue of a tongue of a tongue of a tongue.

[00:39:36] And I've never seen it.

[00:39:37] I don't actually even really know.

[00:39:39] It's really good.

[00:39:40] I guess it's a police show.

[00:39:41] Is somehow.

[00:39:42] Oh, I should watch that.

[00:39:44] 45 minutes.

[00:39:45] Okay.

[00:39:45] Richard.

[00:39:46] Of that.

[00:39:47] And most shows only have one plot.

[00:39:49] But no, they are somehow able to manage three storylines.

[00:39:52] You've got your.

[00:39:53] Yes.

[00:39:53] Or maybe four.

[00:39:54] You've got your Tom Selleck as the police chief dealing with a crisis in the NYPD.

[00:39:59] You have Danny Reagan who is dealing, who has a crime of the week.

[00:40:03] Then you usually have Jamie who is like dealing with some patrol issue.

[00:40:09] And then you have Aaron who's dealing with a legal issue.

[00:40:12] And I'm like, somehow you nail that in like.

[00:40:15] They often come back to their dining room table to have Sunday lunch or dinner and to talk about everything.

[00:40:22] I'm intrigued.

[00:40:22] So we're done watching duet.

[00:40:24] I'm intrigued.

[00:40:24] Watch blue bloods.

[00:40:25] That's what I'll say.

[00:40:26] Wahlberg's in it.

[00:40:26] Which Wahlberg is it, Chris?

[00:40:28] It's Donnie Wahlberg.

[00:40:31] Donnie Wahlberg.

[00:40:32] Tom Selleck is in it.

[00:40:32] But yeah, that's all I need.

[00:40:33] Tom Selleck is looking into two.

[00:40:35] I love his old man look.

[00:40:36] I want that when I get older.

[00:40:38] One day.

[00:40:38] I'm still.

[00:40:39] I still rewatch.

[00:40:41] A lot of the friends rewatch I do are the episodes that he's in.

[00:40:45] Richard.

[00:40:45] Because he's a dentist.

[00:40:46] I think.

[00:40:47] No, he's an optometrist.

[00:40:49] Oh, right.

[00:40:49] Okay.

[00:40:50] Tom Selleck is?

[00:40:53] Ophthalmologist.

[00:40:54] Yeah.

[00:40:54] Oh.

[00:40:55] Yeah, no.

[00:40:56] He's Monica's boyfriend.

[00:40:57] Yeah.

[00:40:58] Monica's boyfriend.

[00:40:59] And yeah, he's an ophthalmologist.

[00:41:01] Right.

[00:41:01] That is his son in the show.

[00:41:04] Because a couple years after she's done dating Richard, she has to go to the eye doctor,

[00:41:10] meets the son who's all grown up and everything.

[00:41:12] And they have like one awkward date.

[00:41:15] Yeah.

[00:41:16] Yeah.

[00:41:16] That's the storyline.

[00:41:17] So back to the fact duet.

[00:41:20] What else can we say?

[00:41:22] That doesn't have Tom Selleck in it.

[00:41:24] No, it does not.

[00:41:25] Tom Selleck would be great in Star Trek.

[00:41:28] That's what made me think.

[00:41:29] I'm telling you one day.

[00:41:30] He could have a uniform.

[00:41:31] I want to pitch my blue blood Star Trek show.

[00:41:34] He's got to be in a uniform.

[00:41:35] He's got to be in a Starfleet uniform.

[00:41:37] Yeah.

[00:41:37] Okay.

[00:41:37] Okay.

[00:41:38] Well, write that episode.

[00:41:40] He's got the gravitas.

[00:41:41] Or the movie.

[00:41:42] Or the movie.

[00:41:43] Yeah.

[00:41:44] Okay.

[00:41:44] So I'm going to ask you guys, speaking of movies, okay?

[00:41:49] I think now most of the actors are probably older than they might like for movies.

[00:41:57] Although the next gen actors proved they still got it in Picard.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:02] Yep.

[00:42:03] They do.

[00:42:03] And that they could pull a lot of viewers and still generate excitement.

[00:42:09] The idea of a reboot or something with new actors in Deep Space Nine has always intrigued me.

[00:42:18] But also I've been a little scared of that because I feel like the actors who played all of these original characters were for me just as iconic as the next generation actors and characters.

[00:42:32] And it'd be really hard to see someone else as Odo, as Kira, as Dr. Bashir, you know.

[00:42:41] But what do you guys think of a Deep Space Nine movie, even if it's made for TV like the new Section 31 movie is going to be?

[00:42:51] Right.

[00:42:51] So you're thinking reboot like Trek 2009, not like a sequel series.

[00:42:56] Correct.

[00:42:57] Okay.

[00:42:59] I would rather a sequel series first, but hey, if they say they're rebooting DS9, I'm in.

[00:43:05] I don't know if I'm going to like it as much, but...

[00:43:07] I'm going to give it a shot, I think.

[00:43:08] I went through the trauma of having to deal with a new Kirk and got over that and loved those movies.

[00:43:13] So yeah.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:15] I think I could do it.

[00:43:16] I don't know who they would cast because I'm just trying to think of...

[00:43:19] I need some time.

[00:43:20] I can't off the top of my head to think of who.

[00:43:22] I need some real research time.

[00:43:25] Right.

[00:43:25] If I'm planning out this cast.

[00:43:27] Oh, I agree.

[00:43:27] I agree.

[00:43:28] Yeah.

[00:43:29] I just said, what do you guys think of it?

[00:43:30] Oh, what do I think of it?

[00:43:32] Yeah.

[00:43:33] But...

[00:43:33] No, I feel you.

[00:43:34] We dealt with it with Kirk and them.

[00:43:36] So I feel like we could deal.

[00:43:39] And then we did it with Kirk.

[00:43:40] We did it again.

[00:43:40] Very careful casting.

[00:43:42] Okay.

[00:43:42] My next episode that I get to do, guys, will be how would you cast a reboot of DS9?

[00:43:48] I don't know if I'm going to actually do that, but it might be interesting.

[00:43:52] That could be interesting.

[00:43:53] Or just pick which show you want to recast.

[00:43:56] We could do that.

[00:43:57] Yeah.

[00:43:58] Yeah.

[00:43:59] Yeah.

[00:43:59] That would be fun.

[00:44:01] That would be cool.

[00:44:02] So I would do Next Gen.

[00:44:03] You guys would do DS9.

[00:44:05] Steve would do Enterprise.

[00:44:06] Yeah.

[00:44:07] That would make sense.

[00:44:08] Or Chris could do Voyager, and I'll do DS9.

[00:44:11] There you go.

[00:44:11] Okay, cool.

[00:44:12] Hey, everyone.

[00:44:13] We planned another episode.

[00:44:14] Right here.

[00:44:15] Live on the boot.

[00:44:15] And this is how it happens.

[00:44:17] We have random conversations.

[00:44:19] It really does.

[00:44:20] Doesn't it?

[00:44:20] Yeah.

[00:44:21] It does.

[00:44:22] Well, all right, guys.

[00:44:23] I think we've covered all of our basics about this episode.

[00:44:27] Really, I would encourage you, if you are looking for really good DS9 episodes to sink your teeth into,

[00:44:35] maybe you don't have time to do a Power Watch all the way through the series,

[00:44:39] but you're looking for ideas.

[00:44:41] Season 1, you need to pick out episode 19 or 18, depending on which platform you're looking at

[00:44:48] and whether they divide up Emissary Part 1 or 2 or not.

[00:44:52] But check out Duet.

[00:44:54] It's really powerful.

[00:44:56] Everything about it is fantastic.

[00:44:58] It's intriguing.

[00:44:59] It's got the drama.

[00:45:00] It's got the great acting, the great music, and the story is solid.

[00:45:04] It's really a good look into a part of the occupation of Bajor from Cardassia.

[00:45:12] And it's got a redemptive story in there.

[00:45:15] It's got a forgiveness thing in there.

[00:45:18] It's looking past, you know, your enemy to see who your friend could be.

[00:45:23] And just really powerful all around.

[00:45:26] Well done all around for a first season episode of Do Space Nine.

[00:45:29] As we mentioned before, Chris and I really love Do Space Nine.

[00:45:33] And a lot of people are starting to discover Do Space Nine for the first time.

[00:45:37] And it has been really exciting to see a whole new generation of people jump on the Do Space Nine train ride

[00:45:44] because it's a ride worth going on.

[00:45:47] It's darker, yes.

[00:45:49] It deals with a lot more stuff than some of the other series deals with,

[00:45:53] especially with character development and personal stuff, inward stuff.

[00:45:57] And that's the beauty of Do Space Nine for me.

[00:46:00] We've talked about it in a couple other episodes.

[00:46:03] Yeah, Next Gen captured our hearts with the exploration of space and always going out.

[00:46:09] And who's the new alien species, the new planet?

[00:46:12] Do Space Nine's exploration was largely, for many seasons at least,

[00:46:17] what's going on inwardly in the characters.

[00:46:20] And it's turned inward.

[00:46:22] And I think it was really well done.

[00:46:26] It helps make it stand apart from all the other Star Treks that are out there.

[00:46:32] Guys, Chris, Sedina, thank you so much for journeying into this Zoom room with me

[00:46:38] from where you are in Maryland and Canada.

[00:46:41] And I'm here in Canton.

[00:46:43] Chris, we missed you.

[00:46:43] Or Steve, we missed you, buddy.

[00:46:45] Hope you're having a good old time, though.

[00:46:47] Hope you enjoy listening to this episode with your friends.

[00:46:50] It's not the same without you, Steve.

[00:46:52] We appreciate you and hope you're back with us for the next episode of The Big Sci-Fi Podcast.

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