Rogue One

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[00:00:45] It was a period of civil war.

[00:00:48] Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire.

[00:00:57] During the battle, rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the Death Star,

[00:01:05] an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

[00:01:12] These words that appeared in the famous opening crawl from Star Wars, A New Hope,

[00:01:18] is the basis for the film we are going to review, analyze, and discuss today on The BIG Sci-Fi Podcast.

[00:01:27] And that film is Rogue One, A Star Wars Story.

[00:01:32] Now, there have been 12 Star Wars films, 11 live-action and one Star Wars The Clone Wars,

[00:01:40] an animated film that debuted in 2008.

[00:01:43] I've seen all of the live-action films, yet I have never seen the animated one.

[00:01:49] And maybe it's because it's not available for streaming, even on Disney+.

[00:01:54] Rotten Tomatoes gave it a monstrous 19% rating, so maybe that's why I've never seen it.

[00:02:03] Even my son-in-law Brian, who loves all things Star Wars, said that it's pretty bad.

[00:02:09] With bad animation and literally no plot.

[00:02:13] However, back to the film we are discussing, which is, as I am concerned,

[00:02:18] the very best Star Wars film and Rotten Tomatoes gave it an 84%.

[00:02:23] So, hmm, I think I'm in good company.

[00:02:27] Now, yes, there have been some the good, the bad, and the ugly Star Wars films,

[00:02:33] as there have been the same for Star Trek films,

[00:02:36] as we have done so in our listing episode in the past.

[00:02:41] Yet, I believe that the four members of the big sci-fi podcast can attest to that this film

[00:02:48] might be the number one all-time favorite of Star Wars films.

[00:02:54] So, to get things rolling, let's introduce the members of the podcast.

[00:02:57] They are Adina.

[00:03:00] Hi, everybody.

[00:03:00] From Maryland.

[00:03:02] Brian.

[00:03:03] Hey, I'm from Canton, Ohio.

[00:03:04] Chris.

[00:03:05] I'm Chris, and I'm from Toronto.

[00:03:07] I have some thoughts about the Clone Wars movies for part of our discussion.

[00:03:11] Please do.

[00:03:11] No, I would love it to get some feedback on that.

[00:03:14] I don't want to hear what you have to say about the Clone Wars.

[00:03:16] Oh.

[00:03:16] I'm just kidding.

[00:03:17] Of course I do.

[00:03:17] I'm going to go home and cry.

[00:03:19] I'm already at home.

[00:03:20] No, you're at home.

[00:03:20] So, it's just, you can start blubbering if you'd like.

[00:03:23] It's quite all right.

[00:03:23] You can cry in front of us, Chris.

[00:03:25] It's okay.

[00:03:26] There's no crying in podcasts.

[00:03:28] Do you hear me?

[00:03:30] And I'm Steve, and I'm in North Hollywood, California, and we are so lucky to be together

[00:03:34] again once more to do another podcast for the big sci-fi podcast.

[00:03:39] As always, we have been tasked to watch this film.

[00:03:42] I'm sorry, folks, for making you do that.

[00:03:44] Well, once again, we do this in preparation for the podcast, and I know that wasn't a difficult

[00:03:50] task to accomplish.

[00:03:53] So, let's begin our discussion of Rogue One.

[00:03:56] And the first question I'm going to ask, which is the usual one, is when did you first see

[00:04:01] this movie?

[00:04:04] Do you know if you'd like to start?

[00:04:05] Yeah, sure.

[00:04:06] I saw it when it came out in the theater.

[00:04:09] Okay.

[00:04:11] My friend work group, the team I was working with at the time, we definitely got in a habit

[00:04:17] of, for those movies that were coming out in the 2015, 17, 19, and this one, we would

[00:04:25] do a team building event at a local theater that also served food, which is cool.

[00:04:30] So, yeah, no, I saw it in the theater when it came out.

[00:04:35] And while I won't say it's the best of all 12 films, it was definitely my favorite out

[00:04:42] of those four or five, you know, the ones that were, that came out since like the 2015-ish

[00:04:51] timeframe.

[00:04:52] Okay.

[00:04:52] Out of all the new-ish ones.

[00:04:55] Right, right, right.

[00:04:56] I mean, it's not, go ahead.

[00:04:58] And I was going to say, and I don't include the Clone Wars, the animated film, because

[00:05:03] honestly, until we were preparing for this, and I was re-watching, and I was like reading

[00:05:07] the Wikipedia articles, I didn't know there, I thought the Clone Wars was only the series,

[00:05:13] the animated series.

[00:05:14] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:05:15] I didn't realize that there was a film with that too.

[00:05:18] As did I.

[00:05:19] And I, as did I.

[00:05:20] That's why I had to contact my son-in-law to ask him about it, because I didn't even

[00:05:24] know it exists.

[00:05:25] I just thought it was the animated series.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:27] That's, which my son-in-law says is wonderful, the animated series on TV.

[00:05:32] Yeah, it is.

[00:05:33] That's what I would say.

[00:05:34] It's just.

[00:05:35] I didn't see it.

[00:05:36] I haven't seen it.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:40] Chris or Brian, next?

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:42] Same thing.

[00:05:43] It was saw it in theaters, saw it with my buddy Kale, who I mention a lot.

[00:05:46] He's my movie guy.

[00:05:47] And it's like, all right, new Star Wars.

[00:05:49] We go out on Friday night, usually.

[00:05:51] Boston Pizza, four after.

[00:05:54] And yeah, I'm with Adina.

[00:05:57] It's definitely one of the best of the new ones.

[00:05:59] It's still not my favorite.

[00:06:01] I think my favorite is still Empire.

[00:06:02] But it's.

[00:06:03] I figured as much.

[00:06:04] Yes.

[00:06:04] That's.

[00:06:04] But it's really good.

[00:06:05] Like.

[00:06:06] I have so much to say about it.

[00:06:08] Good.

[00:06:08] Good.

[00:06:09] That's why we're here to.

[00:06:10] Wait.

[00:06:11] Brian.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:12] So for me, I actually cannot remember if I saw this in the theater or on streaming or

[00:06:19] bought, you know, the DVD or whatever.

[00:06:21] I don't know.

[00:06:22] I cannot remember.

[00:06:23] I do not have a clear theater.

[00:06:25] Okay.

[00:06:26] Experience memory in my head.

[00:06:27] Uh, but I fell in love with this movie immediately.

[00:06:33] I remember, I remember one of my first thoughts after seeing it was I just watched the best

[00:06:41] Star Wars film ever made my emotional or what's the word I'm looking for.

[00:06:49] Uh, you know, my sentimental favorite is Empire Strikes Back.

[00:06:56] But.

[00:06:57] Uh, I believe I'm Steve, if you think this is your favorite and the best one, I'm in total

[00:07:04] agreement about that.

[00:07:05] Um, and I, I, I second your emotion there are a second emotion, Brian, because I do feel

[00:07:12] the same way you look at Empire and it is a fantastic film.

[00:07:17] It really, really is good.

[00:07:18] Amongst the three original films, it is the best of the three.

[00:07:23] And amongst all the rest, it really is the best.

[00:07:26] But again, there's just something about Rogue One that I watch it every time and I just go

[00:07:32] like, this is just every, it hits all the right buttons.

[00:07:37] It all does all those right things.

[00:07:38] Now for me, I had not seen it yet, but my daughter Jenny and her, her boyfriend at the

[00:07:43] time went and saw the movie and we got together and they were literally burning.

[00:07:48] Interesting.

[00:07:49] Wanting to tell me all about it.

[00:07:51] And all he could say was, and the ending.

[00:07:54] Oh my God.

[00:07:55] The ending.

[00:07:57] Yes.

[00:07:57] The ending.

[00:07:58] Spoiler alert, everybody.

[00:08:00] He's like, he's like, he's doing that.

[00:08:02] He's if Darth Vader was giving him the distance choke, he was choking like that because he wanted

[00:08:07] to tell me it was.

[00:08:08] So what we were doing at that time is every time there was a new Star Wars movie coming

[00:08:12] out, starting with the first one of the new sequence, not the last three films, that is.

[00:08:19] The Force Awakens.

[00:08:20] The Force Awakens.

[00:08:21] Thank you.

[00:08:22] Every, we would get together Christmas time with my son-in-law Brian, my daughter Stephanie,

[00:08:27] and we would go to the theater on Christmas Day evening and go watch the movie.

[00:08:32] So that's the night I saw it.

[00:08:35] And again, to this moment, it is, it is just fantastic.

[00:08:40] So I guess, yes, go ahead.

[00:08:42] Can I say the spoiler alert?

[00:08:44] I feel like we should have probably said something about a spoiler alert.

[00:08:47] And because I definitely, at some point we have to talk more specifically about the ending.

[00:08:51] So I think the spoiler alert should be, if you haven't seen it and you're a big fan of

[00:08:59] the original three movies, like Star Wars, Star Wars, even if Empire is your favorite,

[00:09:04] you know, which is okay.

[00:09:05] But if you're really a fan of the original Star Wars, because I mean, there are definitely

[00:09:09] people I know who the prequel series is their Star Wars, you know, and they don't necessarily

[00:09:15] care about the originals.

[00:09:16] But if you care about the originals and you have not seen Rogue One, hit pause on this

[00:09:22] right now.

[00:09:23] Yes.

[00:09:25] Because if you are a fan of the original Star Wars, A New Hope, you have to see this.

[00:09:32] And honestly, you can skip like 80% of the movie, turn it on about 20, 25 minutes before

[00:09:40] the end.

[00:09:41] What?

[00:09:42] Seriously.

[00:09:42] Well, so yeah.

[00:09:44] I'd say watch the whole thing if you can.

[00:09:47] Well, watch the whole thing.

[00:09:47] If you don't have time, just watch.

[00:09:50] But like the last 20 minutes will get you what you need.

[00:09:54] Okay.

[00:09:55] Of, of you're saying of watching Rogue One.

[00:09:58] Of Rogue One.

[00:09:59] Like because of the connection to A New Hope.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:03] So now that we've said it, you've hit pause.

[00:10:06] Okay.

[00:10:06] So now if you, if we spoil it, that's on you.

[00:10:09] But that's the great thing.

[00:10:10] That's the one thing I love about this film is that there are cookies in it from the original

[00:10:14] New Hope.

[00:10:16] Like, okay.

[00:10:17] They're walking down the streets of Jedha.

[00:10:19] And who do they run into?

[00:10:22] Two of the ruffians from A New Hope.

[00:10:26] Oh, yeah.

[00:10:27] Inside the bar.

[00:10:28] I just watched it.

[00:10:29] And, and it's like, I'm watching the theater going, I know those guys.

[00:10:34] That's so cool that they, but they younged them up because there's, there is a bit younger

[00:10:38] and this is supposed to happen before that.

[00:10:40] But you go like, okay, there's those characters as well.

[00:10:43] And then you've got all these other tie-ins, which the most important tie-in is the opening

[00:10:49] crawl.

[00:10:50] If you don't have that, if you don't have that statement at the beginning of it, then

[00:10:55] this movie doesn't exist because it's all about the adventures of those people.

[00:10:59] And that's what I love about this movie.

[00:11:02] Cause again, you know, I guess the question was amongst the Star Wars films, it seems to

[00:11:08] be that Adina and Chris, you're going to, you greatly feel that Empire Strikes Price is

[00:11:13] the best.

[00:11:14] No, no, no.

[00:11:14] That was, that was Brian and Chris.

[00:11:16] No, no.

[00:11:17] The Empire Strikes Price.

[00:11:19] Right.

[00:11:19] No, I, so out of the original three, maybe Empire was quote unquote the best, but my favorite

[00:11:25] is still the original Star Wars New Hope.

[00:11:28] Okay.

[00:11:29] Um, and so if you like say Adina, do we want to watch Star Wars A New Hope or Empire Strikes

[00:11:34] Back?

[00:11:35] My answer nine times out of 10 is going to be Star Wars.

[00:11:38] And then if I still have energy and I am still awake and want to watch another movie,

[00:11:42] then yes, let's roll into Empire.

[00:11:43] But I will always choose the original Star Wars every single time.

[00:11:48] What about you, Chris?

[00:11:49] Which would you say is your favorite?

[00:11:51] Is it Empire?

[00:11:52] Out of the original trilogy?

[00:11:54] Because I...

[00:11:54] Actually, out of them all.

[00:11:56] Out of them all.

[00:11:56] This is where it's really hard because I think Empire is my favorite.

[00:12:00] I have a lot of love for Reg of the Sith.

[00:12:02] And I also really enjoy Phantom Menace despite all of its problems.

[00:12:06] And I know it's not the polite, the popular opinion, but, but I do enjoy those.

[00:12:11] But I still think ultimately...

[00:12:13] It's a guilty pleasure.

[00:12:14] If I can only watch one Star Wars movie, it's going to be Empire because I used to always

[00:12:18] pretend that when I would get to my cottage in the winter and it was really cold, I would

[00:12:23] just pretend it was Echo Base until we got the heat working.

[00:12:27] So I love it.

[00:12:28] Very good.

[00:12:29] And Brian, we've already heard your thoughts.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:32] Rogue One.

[00:12:33] Hands down.

[00:12:33] Hands down.

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:34] I'm telling you, hands down.

[00:12:36] I feel like it's, for me, the most enjoyable and the one I would choose to watch.

[00:12:42] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:43] Yeah.

[00:12:44] But for Warm Fuzzy's Empire.

[00:12:46] Yeah.

[00:12:47] So then is there one that you...

[00:12:49] I think we discussed this one time, but I think the second of the J.J. Abrams might be

[00:12:55] our least favorite.

[00:12:57] It's my biggest gripe.

[00:12:58] I have to settle down.

[00:12:59] I'm calm.

[00:13:00] I'm cool.

[00:13:00] I'm relaxed.

[00:13:01] But I don't like The Last Jedi.

[00:13:02] But I'm calm.

[00:13:04] I've got my heating pad.

[00:13:06] Okay.

[00:13:06] I'm okay with the recent, you know, the sequel trilogy.

[00:13:10] I'm okay with those three movies.

[00:13:11] The Force Awakens, Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker.

[00:13:15] None of those.

[00:13:15] I have, you know, if I...

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:18] I have no problems with those.

[00:13:19] It's, for me, it's the prequel trilogy.

[00:13:22] Yes.

[00:13:23] Right, right, right.

[00:13:24] I can watch The Phantom Menace over and over.

[00:13:26] But the other two, and my biggest issue is just how they handled the relationship.

[00:13:31] I think I've said this on the podcast, but it's how they handled the relationship between

[00:13:36] Padme and Anakin.

[00:13:37] To me, nothing about that felt realistic.

[00:13:40] Secondly, the second one where, you know, I slaughtered the entire village.

[00:13:44] I love you.

[00:13:45] Like, what?

[00:13:47] Sweetie, you got a problem, you know?

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:50] I mean, like, don't go on.

[00:13:51] Your boyfriend's a jerk.

[00:13:52] Well, and he's a jerk and he's immature.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:56] So all those things combined make me like...

[00:13:59] Why me?

[00:13:59] I don't...

[00:14:00] Yeah.

[00:14:01] It doesn't feel...

[00:14:02] It did not feel, in the least bit, authentic.

[00:14:05] Also, it just didn't feel...

[00:14:08] Like, the original Star Wars films, those actors had a rapport with each other.

[00:14:15] And they just could work off of each other well.

[00:14:19] I just felt like the prequels had a dryness to them.

[00:14:22] They had great actors.

[00:14:25] Some of the best of our time.

[00:14:27] Liam Neeson.

[00:14:28] Yeah.

[00:14:29] And Ewan McGregor.

[00:14:29] I love Ewan McGregor.

[00:14:31] Ewan McGregor.

[00:14:32] Yeah.

[00:14:32] Samuel L. Jackson.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:35] I mean, fine.

[00:14:36] Absolutely fine actors.

[00:14:38] They just weren't...

[00:14:39] It was...

[00:14:40] Those three films, in my opinion, were nothing more than, here is the formula for success.

[00:14:47] Let's just put it all together with better special effects.

[00:14:51] And big name actors.

[00:14:53] And it'll be great.

[00:14:55] And they made a ton of money.

[00:14:58] But, you know...

[00:15:00] We should be thankful for that.

[00:15:01] Because we probably would not have had any more Star Wars.

[00:15:06] So, if I bring this back to Rogue One, what I think is so great about it is the prequels,

[00:15:11] you can do some head scratching.

[00:15:14] But like, okay, I see how this connects.

[00:15:16] But Rogue One is maybe one of the best prequels that fits.

[00:15:22] It's literally like it's a missing puzzle piece to Star Wars.

[00:15:25] Yes.

[00:15:25] Yes.

[00:15:26] Where once you put it in, it fits everything.

[00:15:28] And it doesn't feel like they're just tacking it on or this is an unnecessary prequel.

[00:15:33] But it just makes so much sense.

[00:15:36] And I love it for that.

[00:15:37] I would have loved to have been like in the writer's room as they were figuring it out.

[00:15:41] Like at what...

[00:15:42] Like when...

[00:15:44] Did they like start with the end and work backward?

[00:15:46] I'm like, I want to know how they actually did it.

[00:15:49] And maybe there's interviews and stuff I should actually...

[00:15:52] But that's a good point.

[00:15:53] Because you think of it...

[00:15:54] How did they figure that out?

[00:15:55] What was the process?

[00:15:57] They had the ending.

[00:15:58] They know that the message gets sent.

[00:16:01] How they retrieved the message.

[00:16:03] How they got it.

[00:16:04] How they were able to...

[00:16:06] That's the adventure.

[00:16:07] So again, that's...

[00:16:08] I think the next thing would be like...

[00:16:10] What do you think of the plot of the story?

[00:16:12] And what's...

[00:16:12] Do you think this is just a complete film?

[00:16:14] This is a real example.

[00:16:16] You know, they talk about bottle episodes on TV.

[00:16:19] Where it just...

[00:16:20] That's the story there.

[00:16:22] Do you consider this to be like a bottle episode?

[00:16:25] A beginning, a middle, an end period?

[00:16:27] Yeah, I think it's a complete story.

[00:16:28] It feels like...

[00:16:30] You know, it's...

[00:16:30] Yeah, it's like you get introduced to the main characters.

[00:16:33] You find out of their goals.

[00:16:34] And they go through an arc.

[00:16:36] And it tells a complete story.

[00:16:38] So yeah, I think it's a really good...

[00:16:40] Good, complete story.

[00:16:41] That's not like missing anything.

[00:16:43] And then, of course, Endor has come out.

[00:16:45] And that's going to fill in a lot of gaps.

[00:16:47] But I think without it...

[00:16:47] And Endor is a prequel to this.

[00:16:49] Yeah.

[00:16:49] And I mean, it's certainly a complete story for Jyn and Endor.

[00:16:53] Yeah.

[00:16:55] You know, there's not going to be any sequels.

[00:16:58] With Jyn or Endor in it.

[00:17:00] So it's complete then.

[00:17:01] But the way it ties into Star Wars just so well.

[00:17:06] So I...

[00:17:07] Ever since watching it in the theater the first time...

[00:17:09] I've seen it like once or twice or, you know, on just TV since.

[00:17:13] But when I was re-watching it for this...

[00:17:16] And I actually had to do it in two sessions.

[00:17:18] You know, so I watched the first half one evening.

[00:17:20] And then the second evening where I watched the second half...

[00:17:22] After watching that final sequence...

[00:17:24] I was like, you know, I have to watch A New Hope right now.

[00:17:28] At least the first half...

[00:17:29] You know, the first parts of it or something.

[00:17:30] I have to watch A New Hope.

[00:17:32] I have to just go right into it.

[00:17:34] And it was just awesome.

[00:17:35] Because the moment that the ship leaves with them on board and it escapes, you know what

[00:17:45] the next thing's going to happen.

[00:17:46] Yeah.

[00:17:47] You know.

[00:17:48] There's some period of time happens between when Darth Vader is going to now start chasing

[00:17:53] him or chasing them to catch up to them.

[00:17:57] That's all that happens.

[00:17:58] We don't know.

[00:17:58] It could have been a day or not.

[00:18:00] We have no idea.

[00:18:01] We know it's the next thing that happens.

[00:18:03] And that's the great book end of this thing.

[00:18:05] That's how it's...

[00:18:07] To me, that's why I love it.

[00:18:09] Because it truly is.

[00:18:10] Like you said, it's a...

[00:18:11] Or as I said, it's a complete film.

[00:18:13] A beginning, a middle, and the end.

[00:18:15] And what's interesting is I read on Wikipedia the...

[00:18:18] Of course, the only truth in the world is available from Wikipedia.

[00:18:22] And we're not being paid to say that.

[00:18:25] It would be nice if they did, though.

[00:18:27] Is that there was actually another ending they wrote where they do live.

[00:18:32] Oh, that's cool.

[00:18:33] And that...

[00:18:34] That's the front door.

[00:18:35] Yeah.

[00:18:36] It said it, but they never did film it or they never did create it.

[00:18:40] And I'm glad they didn't because, you know, there's always that scene at the end of a

[00:18:45] film.

[00:18:46] What was the...

[00:18:48] There was the Meteor Hitting the Earth film with...

[00:18:52] Not Armageddon.

[00:18:53] The other one that came...

[00:18:54] Don't look up.

[00:18:55] Deep Impact.

[00:18:56] Deep Impact.

[00:18:57] Deep Impact, yeah.

[00:18:58] Deep Impact, right.

[00:18:58] Yeah, Deep Impact.

[00:18:59] And at the end of the film, what happens?

[00:19:01] I think the main character, she's on the beach when the tidal wave hits.

[00:19:06] Oh, my goodness.

[00:19:07] And she's gone.

[00:19:08] And so when I see that at the end of Rogue One and you see essentially the mushroom cloud

[00:19:15] in the distance, you know what's going to happen.

[00:19:18] And they just hug each other and they're gone.

[00:19:22] And I think that's how it had to end.

[00:19:25] They just had to end it that way.

[00:19:27] Tragically, but beautifully.

[00:19:29] And I give them high credit for doing that.

[00:19:31] It was just a beautiful scene.

[00:19:32] I also just think that you had to for continuity.

[00:19:36] Just like, okay, so how come you don't ever see them?

[00:19:38] Many Bothams died.

[00:19:40] What's that?

[00:19:41] Many Bothams died.

[00:19:42] Right.

[00:19:43] Yeah, they died for the third Return of the Jedi.

[00:19:47] Yeah.

[00:19:48] Well, so this is a complete film.

[00:19:51] If this had been the very first Star Wars film ever, we'd be begging for the continuation

[00:19:57] of the story.

[00:19:58] I don't think so.

[00:19:59] No, I don't think so.

[00:20:00] I don't think so.

[00:20:02] I don't think.

[00:20:02] I think this works because of how well we know Star Wars.

[00:20:08] Yeah.

[00:20:08] I don't think you could.

[00:20:09] Oh, I disagree, Adina.

[00:20:10] I think the film is so good that the characters were so intriguing.

[00:20:17] We're going to want to know more about this Darth Vader.

[00:20:20] We're going to want to know more about Princess Leia.

[00:20:23] And what are the plans?

[00:20:25] I don't think we get enough.

[00:20:26] No, I don't think so.

[00:20:28] But also, just like out of the time in the 70s.

[00:20:30] I got enough.

[00:20:31] That's all I'm saying.

[00:20:32] I think.

[00:20:33] But you got enough, but you already, because you've spent your whole life knowing about

[00:20:38] Star Wars and knowing who Darth Vader is, you know, so seeing that little before,

[00:20:43] I mean, like, I don't think.

[00:20:44] Like, so what was interesting to me is, so Frank, my son, who's now, you know, 14 and

[00:20:49] a half, he comes in while I'm watching it.

[00:20:51] Now, he didn't watch the whole thing, but he was kind of like, eh.

[00:20:54] And he's never really been big into Star Wars, although he's seen the original film at least

[00:20:59] once or twice.

[00:21:01] But he was kind of like, meh, meh, meh, meh.

[00:21:03] And he was there when I like, okay, we have to watch.

[00:21:06] We're going to roll in and watch Star Wars, Star Wars now.

[00:21:08] And he was thoroughly like unimpressed.

[00:21:12] And I think, and that got me thinking, like, so for generations that didn't, that Star Wars

[00:21:17] is not so deep ingrained, because for us, it's deep ingrained, you know, I don't think

[00:21:25] this has the same impact.

[00:21:26] Yeah.

[00:21:27] Even though it's still a good film on its own, I don't think it's as impactful if you're

[00:21:31] not already.

[00:21:32] Well, no, because it's not as groundbreaking as the original was, for one thing.

[00:21:36] And we introduced all of those characters that came to be iconic because of Empire Strikes

[00:21:44] Back and Return of the Jedi.

[00:21:46] You know what I mean?

[00:21:47] Yeah.

[00:21:48] So I also wonder, like, if there hadn't been Empire, if there hadn't been Return of the

[00:21:53] Jedi, would Star Wars, the original film, A New Hope, be talked about as much without

[00:22:02] that trilogy?

[00:22:03] I think so.

[00:22:04] Yes.

[00:22:04] Because it was already, because before Empire came back, it spent several years as like,

[00:22:11] oh my God, this is an amazing film.

[00:22:13] And it was like revolutionary for the time.

[00:22:15] And like, the way they shot it and the fact, like, even one of the smallest things is that

[00:22:18] it was the first time ever on screen that people saw, like, a ship coming.

[00:22:24] I can't remember how they described it, but like, saw how large a planet was.

[00:22:28] Or something like that, where it's like the perspective of the ship coming and then seeing

[00:22:32] the planet below for the first time we'd ever seen something like that.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:36] Yeah.

[00:22:37] And that was missing from this film, because this film did not have a crawl at the beginning,

[00:22:41] and it didn't have the massive spaceship flyby, which was always a tradition in a Star Wars

[00:22:47] film.

[00:22:47] But that makes us unique in its own way.

[00:22:50] But see, here's my question, though.

[00:22:52] It's like, I don't know, because I don't know enough of, like, I've seen a lot of movies

[00:22:57] from the 70s, but I don't know culturally.

[00:23:00] Would movie goers have, like, would they be used?

[00:23:02] Because now if you release this movie and you didn't have Star Wars, okay, you just released

[00:23:06] this movie.

[00:23:07] We're used to having movies that don't necessarily resolve everything, because we know there's

[00:23:11] going to be a sequel.

[00:23:12] But I don't know if in the 70s, was that a common thing?

[00:23:15] Or were you expecting that you would go to a movie and then you would see it and there

[00:23:19] would be no need for a sequel, because it would wrap everything up?

[00:23:22] No.

[00:23:23] There were literally, except for James Bond movies or things like that, there was no continuation

[00:23:29] films.

[00:23:30] So I don't think you could have had something like that come out then and then be like,

[00:23:33] well, it's not a full story because they all died.

[00:23:36] It was a point.

[00:23:37] And we're not going to see them carry out the actual mission.

[00:23:40] Yeah.

[00:23:40] And the thing is, I think there's nothing compelling about when you see Princess Leia at the

[00:23:44] end.

[00:23:45] The only reason that is incredibly compelling is because we know.

[00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:49] Who she is.

[00:23:50] And you know her whole story.

[00:23:52] If you don't know who she is or know her story, she's just someone receiving data.

[00:23:56] Like, I'll say my wife, she enjoyed the Star Wars movies.

[00:24:00] I've showed them all to her.

[00:24:01] We're working through.

[00:24:02] We haven't.

[00:24:02] We finished Force Awakens like two, three, maybe even four months ago.

[00:24:06] We haven't continued it yet.

[00:24:08] And she enjoyed the movie.

[00:24:09] She thought, oh yeah, this is good.

[00:24:11] She was getting into it.

[00:24:12] But I don't think because she doesn't have the connection to Star Wars that it would like

[00:24:18] it's because I was like, babe, can't wait.

[00:24:20] I got to show you the ending.

[00:24:21] And she's like, okay, I kind of get it.

[00:24:22] But like, it's not.

[00:24:25] It's not like, oh my gosh.

[00:24:26] No.

[00:24:26] We're watching the theater.

[00:24:27] We're being like, wait, are they doing it?

[00:24:29] But is that where he's going right now?

[00:24:31] They did it.

[00:24:32] They're doing it.

[00:24:33] Because you know, that's why it's amazing is because most of us, so many of us watching

[00:24:37] Rogue One, we have like that opening scene of A New Hope so like burned into our memories.

[00:24:44] Like we could see it coming and that little bit of anticipation and like, you know what

[00:24:48] this is.

[00:24:49] You know how monumental this is.

[00:24:51] That's like why this is so like impactful.

[00:24:54] I mean, it's still a good movie on its own.

[00:24:56] Oh yeah, for sure.

[00:24:57] But it doesn't have that punch if you don't know.

[00:24:59] If you're not connected.

[00:25:00] Have that.

[00:25:00] Yeah.

[00:25:01] Well, that's the thing.

[00:25:01] Like I said, this movie has so many cookies in it.

[00:25:04] So many things that relate back to A New Hope so that you're watching going, aha, explain.

[00:25:10] Okay, I get it.

[00:25:10] I get it.

[00:25:11] I mean, again, I don't want to, you know, okay, here's our Star Trek thing.

[00:25:17] The beauty, the one thing's about Enterprise is that they would take things from other series

[00:25:26] and you'd never do an Enterprise Borg episode if you didn't know about the Borg from all

[00:25:30] the other series.

[00:25:32] So it's nice when they take something that's a prequel and they fill in some of the blanks

[00:25:38] or they explain where, or you get those little cookies that, oh, so, okay.

[00:25:43] There he is.

[00:25:43] So he did exist before, from before A New Hope, like the two guys they see on the street

[00:25:50] that were inside the canteen.

[00:25:51] Yeah.

[00:25:51] And so like even one of the biggest things, like the fact that they use this whole movie

[00:25:56] to explain the plot hole of like, cause the biggest joke of Star Wars, at least for a

[00:26:01] long time until this movie came out as well, if you can destroy it this way, why even build

[00:26:05] that in the first place into your thing?

[00:26:07] And now that is built into this movie that explains, Hey, this was intentional.

[00:26:11] This was like, I can't do anything to stop this weapon, but at least I can build a flaw

[00:26:15] into it.

[00:26:16] Brilliant.

[00:26:16] And I'm like, that's such a brilliant solution to why I have such a big weakness.

[00:26:20] Now, why did they have the same weakness of the second one?

[00:26:23] Who knows?

[00:26:24] It's right.

[00:26:26] Because you can fly bombers slow speed over top of a big warship and they have this big

[00:26:35] hole in it that if you drop the bomb right in the middle.

[00:26:38] Yeah, exactly.

[00:26:39] That's, it was awesome.

[00:26:41] I love the scene.

[00:26:42] It's a hilarious scene, but it's so like, they're clearly making fun of that, you know,

[00:26:48] but anyways, so I don't know.

[00:26:50] I stand in opposition to the rest of you.

[00:26:53] Apparently people who watch this movie that are not deep Star Wars or

[00:26:59] deeply knowledgeable about Star Wars.

[00:27:02] So I'll get it.

[00:27:04] So I think that answer, I guess the point is, I think you can.

[00:27:08] I'm going to go.

[00:27:09] Oh yeah.

[00:27:09] Oh yeah.

[00:27:11] I think we can figure this out.

[00:27:14] You know, I think there is a, an answer to it.

[00:27:16] I think the four of us are not the people that answer that.

[00:27:18] I think we have to find the people who saw this movie that don't have that

[00:27:22] tie to Star Wars.

[00:27:24] Yeah.

[00:27:25] You know, already and see what, what's their reaction.

[00:27:28] And I think I'm going to get like Frank's reaction was, I think, or, you

[00:27:33] know, Dil's reaction.

[00:27:33] Like, eh, you know, no, it was like, she still had a fun time because she was

[00:27:39] like, let me just play on my computer while I watch this.

[00:27:41] But then there were times where she was like, oh shoot, I forgot to pause the

[00:27:45] game because she was into it.

[00:27:46] So she still really enjoyed it.

[00:27:48] Sure.

[00:27:48] But there wasn't the same level of, oh, they did that thing.

[00:27:52] She wasn't on the edge of her seat during those last 10 minutes.

[00:27:55] Right.

[00:27:55] I had to like kind of explain to her.

[00:27:57] Right.

[00:27:58] Yeah.

[00:28:00] Okay.

[00:28:00] So now let's, let's talk about characters in the film.

[00:28:05] Who was your favorite?

[00:28:06] Who was the one that when you saw them on the scene, it on the scene, whatever,

[00:28:11] that you went, that's the one that really like you really attached and liked the way

[00:28:16] that they wrote, acted, or created that character?

[00:28:20] Adina will let you go because you're smiling.

[00:28:22] I'm smiling.

[00:28:23] She's super smiling.

[00:28:25] You want to take a guess?

[00:28:25] I know.

[00:28:27] I know who it is.

[00:28:28] Do you?

[00:28:28] Is it KSO2?

[00:28:30] What's his name?

[00:28:31] K2SO.

[00:28:32] K2.

[00:28:33] K2SO.

[00:28:34] Yes.

[00:28:35] Yes.

[00:28:35] Alan Tudyk?

[00:28:36] Alan Tudyk.

[00:28:37] Uh-huh.

[00:28:37] Yes.

[00:28:38] Uh-huh.

[00:28:39] Absolutely.

[00:28:39] Hands down my favorite.

[00:28:40] And I love his dialogue.

[00:28:43] I love the way he was written.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] Even, even the way he, he moved.

[00:28:47] Yeah.

[00:28:48] You know, again, this is, this is a person in a suit, you know, with, with little balls

[00:28:54] all over it doing the, the character.

[00:28:56] I mean, every, I agree with you, Adina.

[00:29:00] It's just my favorite character, without a doubt.

[00:29:03] His dry humor, his, his grumpiness.

[00:29:08] And then at the end, he's a hero.

[00:29:11] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:12] And that's, I think that's the one thing about this movie.

[00:29:15] There are multiple heroes in the film.

[00:29:19] And K2SO, without a doubt, for me, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm jumping ahead.

[00:29:25] And the other one is the character of Turek Imwa.

[00:29:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:31] The Chinese, Asian.

[00:29:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:29:34] Yeah.

[00:29:35] Martial arts expert.

[00:29:36] We really didn't, and actually he is a martial arts expert.

[00:29:40] I love his character.

[00:29:42] I love when they put the hood over him and he's like, come on, you know.

[00:29:47] I'm blind.

[00:29:48] So I don't, I have no way of knowing this is true, but in my head, my head

[00:29:53] canon is the guys who did John Wick were like, oh, we got to get him for

[00:29:57] John Wick 4 because he also shows up in John Wick 4.

[00:30:00] Oh, does he really?

[00:30:01] Like takes out a lot of people to the point where I had to like Google,

[00:30:04] like, is Donnie Yen blind?

[00:30:06] And it's like, no, he's not.

[00:30:06] But yeah, he was really cool, funny, and also just really cool.

[00:30:12] Like it's maybe one of the first times we've seen martial arts used in

[00:30:15] Star Wars.

[00:30:16] So that was, that was interesting.

[00:30:18] That felt unique.

[00:30:20] Yeah.

[00:30:20] Yeah.

[00:30:21] My favorite is Jen Erso.

[00:30:23] Jen Erso.

[00:30:25] I just thought her character is very intriguing and well done all the way

[00:30:29] around.

[00:30:30] And that connection with her father, like, oh yeah.

[00:30:34] Yeah.

[00:30:34] You know, to, to realize he sacrificed to actually save her and the entire

[00:30:40] galaxy.

[00:30:41] Right.

[00:30:41] Like, I just, I felt like I really liked that.

[00:30:44] And, and she's the only one would have known where the documents were kept

[00:30:49] because they were given, he gave him the tagline that he called his daughter.

[00:30:53] Oh yeah.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:54] Stardust.

[00:30:55] Stardust.

[00:30:56] Stardust.

[00:30:56] So by the, when she sees that, she goes, that's it.

[00:30:58] Cause she knows that's the message her father would have left her to find it.

[00:31:03] I think the film, that's the one thing about this film is it's full of so many

[00:31:07] heroic characters who sacrifice their selves for the completion of the mission.

[00:31:16] And that's what makes us even right down to Andor himself.

[00:31:22] The, the, the, the sidekick to, um, Ken, uh, what was his name?

[00:31:27] Um, the pilot.

[00:31:29] No, no, no.

[00:31:30] The, the, no.

[00:31:31] Um, the big guy that was, oh, blaze Malbus.

[00:31:35] Oh yeah.

[00:31:36] The Gatling gun.

[00:31:37] Oh yeah.

[00:31:38] Yeah.

[00:31:39] And the two of them together, they're like a real mutton Jeff team.

[00:31:43] And then you throw in Forrest Whitaker's character who is, you know, powerful and heroic.

[00:31:48] And then at the very end, he sacrifices his life at the very end of the scene.

[00:31:54] This just, I said, one thing I like about this movie there, there aren't any care.

[00:31:59] There's no Jar Jar Binks.

[00:32:00] There's no character that you look and go.

[00:32:03] I really, I mean, I see him in my skin crawls when I see that character.

[00:32:07] There's not one in this movie.

[00:32:09] Even, even the, the villain of the whole story.

[00:32:13] Um.

[00:32:14] Krennic?

[00:32:15] Orson Krennic.

[00:32:18] Yeah.

[00:32:19] Who's the villain through the whole story.

[00:32:21] Played superbly.

[00:32:23] He was just.

[00:32:23] Absolutely.

[00:32:24] I was going to say like.

[00:32:25] Brilliant performance.

[00:32:26] Favorite characters.

[00:32:27] Probably Krennic.

[00:32:28] And, um, the father, Matt Nicholson.

[00:32:34] Uh, what was that?

[00:32:35] Galen or so.

[00:32:36] Yeah.

[00:32:37] Galen or so.

[00:32:37] Yeah.

[00:32:38] Yeah.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:39] Love him just because it's Mads and I just love the way he speaks.

[00:32:42] So it's always just fun to watch him.

[00:32:43] And I liked how much he cared for his daughter and how he was able to kind of throw the,

[00:32:51] or like just throw them off and like actually give the Alliance a, like a way to win.

[00:32:55] And then Krennic just because I just love how much I dislike him.

[00:32:59] Like he plays that character so well.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:02] Yeah.

[00:33:02] Played by Ben Mendelsohn.

[00:33:04] Yes.

[00:33:05] Yes.

[00:33:05] Yes.

[00:33:05] Yes.

[00:33:05] Yes.

[00:33:06] Yes.

[00:33:06] Yes.

[00:33:25] There's a lot of character development throughout this film, especially in Felicity Jones,

[00:33:32] who's the actress who plays Jen Orso.

[00:33:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:35] And, and I just love that.

[00:33:37] I love when we can actually see the journey of a character in a film, you know, even if

[00:33:43] it's at the very, like very end of the film, we see something switch and we've been waiting

[00:33:49] for it.

[00:33:50] It's really satisfying.

[00:33:51] And so I think they did a great job.

[00:33:53] It's really satisfying in this film to see her character kind of say, I have, I have a cause

[00:33:57] bigger than myself now.

[00:33:59] Yeah.

[00:33:59] And I can also see Disney coming out with a series on her life prior, from the moment

[00:34:06] that she's rescued from, from her little hideaway until the point at the beginning of this film,

[00:34:15] because we don't know her adventure and she seems to be much like Andor.

[00:34:19] We don't know anything about Andor, but now we've got, going to have two seasons of Andor

[00:34:24] to learn all about his backstory.

[00:34:27] Yeah.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:28] That would be harder just because I feel like she's, the fact that she's so against the

[00:34:32] rebellion, it would be hard to, I don't know if it'd be hard to make a character and do

[00:34:36] a, like a season long show with her just because she's so much against it.

[00:34:41] She could be part of, if, if it was now, again, this is, I didn't see the Clone Wars stuff.

[00:34:48] So I don't know enough about Farce Whitaker's character.

[00:34:52] And I know Saw Gerrera is there, but I don't know how much they do.

[00:34:55] So if she was basically raised by him from, you know, once, you know, when her dad was

[00:35:01] taken and everything, I could possibly see it being the adventures of that group or team.

[00:35:08] And maybe she's like, we, I don't know.

[00:35:11] So she's part of it, but I don't see it being focused on her.

[00:35:14] I feel like that isn't necessarily because she, she really doesn't become like the main

[00:35:20] character until these events happen.

[00:35:22] Yeah.

[00:35:23] So that would be, that would be hard.

[00:35:25] Well, I agree for the first time on this episode.

[00:35:28] I agree with the Dina.

[00:35:29] Okay.

[00:35:30] All right.

[00:35:31] Very.

[00:35:31] I win.

[00:35:32] Two points for Gryffindor.

[00:35:34] Very good.

[00:35:34] Two points.

[00:35:35] Okay.

[00:35:36] Now.

[00:35:37] And then what did you think about the action sequences?

[00:35:41] The battle sequences.

[00:35:44] I mean, I, I think it really goes back to what they want to do was these are like old

[00:35:52] world war two films where you had battle on the beach and you had, I mean, even the, the,

[00:35:58] the rebel soldiers were all dressed.

[00:36:00] They look like they were out of right out of Vietnam with their, the khaki uniforms and

[00:36:04] their metal helmets and the way that they were fighting, it was very dramatic and it was,

[00:36:11] it seemed more real.

[00:36:12] And then even the battle sequence out in space or having, you know, I don't know.

[00:36:19] It just, it just, it had a really, it had a real, real feel to it that I guess I'm going

[00:36:24] to say about it.

[00:36:25] Yeah.

[00:36:25] You know, it felt good.

[00:36:26] I liked it.

[00:36:27] Like I always, I remember just watching and being like, okay, yeah, this is, this is good

[00:36:30] stuff.

[00:36:31] Not that there was ever any, like even last Jedi, even like the newer ones.

[00:36:35] And I actually liked force awakens and the third one.

[00:36:38] And I found all those battle scenes were good.

[00:36:40] So this was good for me.

[00:36:42] What stood out the most was I think, is it red, red five or red leader when red leader

[00:36:48] popped up?

[00:36:49] I was like, oh my gosh, that's actually red leader from a new hope.

[00:36:53] So that, that got me going.

[00:36:54] Another cookie thrown in there.

[00:36:56] Another just little like fun Easter egg.

[00:36:58] Like, oh my gosh, that's red leader.

[00:37:00] And supposedly they said in Wikipedia, they actually use dialogue that they had saved

[00:37:05] from the audio or with dialogue that they had written.

[00:37:08] And the voice of the actual actor was used to recreate that.

[00:37:13] Yeah.

[00:37:14] Cause I was like, cause I was like, I'm pretty sure that's like, they, they did some trickery,

[00:37:17] but it works.

[00:37:20] And you talk about trickery.

[00:37:22] Okay.

[00:37:22] Let's talk about, let's talk about the big, are the big, the two big ones, which number

[00:37:27] we, to see grand, you know, motif.

[00:37:30] What was his name?

[00:37:32] Moff Tarkin.

[00:37:33] Moff.

[00:37:33] Yeah.

[00:37:34] Governor Tarkin.

[00:37:35] Say that fast three times.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:38] No way.

[00:37:39] No, no.

[00:37:40] I'll go with, I'll say toy boat three times.

[00:37:42] No, I won't even do that either.

[00:37:44] To see him on the screen.

[00:37:47] First, they had to get the family, Peter Cushing's family to approve the usage of his

[00:37:52] image and then to create it and plop it on this actor who resembled him and to get the

[00:37:59] voice sounding right.

[00:38:00] I think that was pretty impressive stuff.

[00:38:02] I don't know.

[00:38:03] That's really filmmaking.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:05] Because like, not to throw shit at other movies, but I remember we were watching, Dylan and

[00:38:08] I were watching a Gemini man with Will Smith and their de-aging stuff was a little weird.

[00:38:14] And yes, granted, maybe it didn't look a little bit better than in Rogue One, but for

[00:38:20] whatever reason, I was like, I didn't focus on it.

[00:38:24] It just felt like he was there.

[00:38:26] He was there just being Moff Tarkin where when I was watching Gemini man, I'm like, okay,

[00:38:31] it's throwing me off a little bit.

[00:38:32] So I felt, yeah, they did a really good job and it felt natural to the movie.

[00:38:38] Yeah.

[00:38:38] I'm glad they did it that way as opposed to finding a different actor to play them because

[00:38:43] especially because of how it ties into A New Hope, if they had had someone else, it would

[00:38:51] have, the tie-in feeling wouldn't have been as strong.

[00:38:55] And so I know even though when you saw Princess Leia, you know, the same kind of thing, you

[00:39:00] could, you obviously know that there's a kind of CGI, you know it.

[00:39:04] I'm still glad they did that versus find another actor to play Princess Leia because

[00:39:09] I think that would have been more jarring and more like, is that Princess Leia?

[00:39:14] Like it would have been more jarring where I know that's Princess Leia and the same thing,

[00:39:19] you know, with Grand Moff Tarkin.

[00:39:21] So I'm glad they did it the way they did, even if it isn't, you know, perfect.

[00:39:26] But now we're 10 years ahead in technology.

[00:39:28] And so like, you know, things are like that are going to be better.

[00:39:34] I know a lot of people are not necessarily happy about that, but I think sometimes this

[00:39:40] can be used for good.

[00:39:41] I think this is used for good.

[00:39:43] One exception about finding a different actor is whoever, I can't remember the actor's name

[00:39:47] who played Mon Mothma in it, but I felt like she did a really good job to the point where

[00:39:51] when she shows up in Andor, it's like, oh, wow, yeah, she really does fit the role.

[00:39:56] So they nailed that.

[00:39:58] But I wonder if it's because maybe she's a little bit like less in the movie, whereas Moff Tarkin

[00:40:03] is in just so many scenes.

[00:40:05] And he's very, he's got a very distinctive look.

[00:40:12] Yeah.

[00:40:12] Where she has, I don't want to say.

[00:40:15] That's true.

[00:40:16] I see what you're saying.

[00:40:16] Yeah.

[00:40:17] I feel like you could find people to play that where, you know, Tarkin, that's a hard, it's

[00:40:23] a hard look to fill.

[00:40:25] And also because we are all so familiar with Princess Leia and Carrie Fisher, that would

[00:40:30] have also been like, you have to find her clone, not, you know, to do it.

[00:40:36] So like I said, in this case, I'm glad they did it the way they did it.

[00:40:43] Was she alive when that came out?

[00:40:45] Yes.

[00:40:45] I'm trying to remember when she passed.

[00:40:47] Oh, okay.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:48] Yeah.

[00:40:48] No, she saw, and actually the Wikipedia article mentioned that she was shown it and she loved

[00:40:53] it.

[00:40:53] Okay.

[00:40:54] Awesome.

[00:40:55] Yeah.

[00:40:57] That's, that's exactly right.

[00:40:59] Uh, and again, as far as using this new technology, there has been this video that's now been on

[00:41:06] Facebook that I shared with you for the 30th anniversary of Generations where they have

[00:41:12] young Kirk, um, planted on the face of another actor who's playing him in that particular thing.

[00:41:19] I need to actually watch that.

[00:41:20] It's, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting.

[00:41:22] It's pretty amazing.

[00:41:23] It's so weird.

[00:41:23] I didn't realize it was the 30th anniversary of Generations until today.

[00:41:26] That's all I saw.

[00:41:27] It's impossible.

[00:41:27] Impossible.

[00:41:28] But I've been like watching it like repeatedly for the last two or three days because it's,

[00:41:32] I can work to it.

[00:41:34] Yeah.

[00:41:35] Yeah.

[00:41:36] Oh, we could talk about that film.

[00:41:38] I'm telling you right now.

[00:41:39] Oh yeah.

[00:41:40] Without a doubt.

[00:41:40] I can't believe it's been 30 years.

[00:41:42] Yes.

[00:41:42] Yeah.

[00:41:43] Let's, let's stick to it.

[00:41:44] But the point is that this, this technology, I mean, there's just, there's a latest Tom

[00:41:49] Hanks film that just came out where they used de-aging on him.

[00:41:52] And there was the Martin Scorsese gangster film.

[00:41:56] They did the same thing.

[00:41:58] Yes.

[00:41:59] Which looks, I've seen that one.

[00:42:00] It's kind of weird when you see them.

[00:42:03] They can DH me.

[00:42:04] I'd be okay with that.

[00:42:06] I was looking at some old pictures of myself the other day.

[00:42:08] I had some of my old photos scanned in recently.

[00:42:12] And from like, yeah, almost 30 years ago, my hair was really, really, really solidly dark,

[00:42:18] dark, dark brown and longer than it is now.

[00:42:21] And I miss it.

[00:42:22] Oh, my hair, my hair.

[00:42:26] Nevermind.

[00:42:28] Your hair.

[00:42:29] Your hair.

[00:42:30] Your hair.

[00:42:30] Brian.

[00:42:30] I just love to talk about lack of hair, kids.

[00:42:33] All right.

[00:42:36] Yes.

[00:42:37] I, I, there's a picture that my parents had in their house, which I still, I kept here

[00:42:42] of myself and my wife and my daughter, Stephanie, when she was a year old.

[00:42:46] This picture is 40 years old.

[00:42:48] Wow.

[00:42:48] And I look at, I'm going, is that me?

[00:42:53] Oh, my God.

[00:42:54] I can't believe I looked like that.

[00:42:57] You know?

[00:42:57] So they can use some technology to DH me and I won't, you know, complain.

[00:43:01] That's got a lot better.

[00:43:03] But yeah.

[00:43:04] It's okay.

[00:43:04] One day we're all going to be walking around in VR goggles and are some sort of goggles

[00:43:09] and it's all going to look virtual and we're all going to be as beautiful and young and

[00:43:14] hairy as we want to be.

[00:43:16] Right.

[00:43:16] Okay.

[00:43:17] So Rogue One, that's what we're talking about.

[00:43:20] Back to Rogue One.

[00:43:21] They had some hairy people in it.

[00:43:23] Let's talk about your favorite thing, Brian.

[00:43:26] The fact that this soundtrack was not done by John Williams.

[00:43:30] Yeah.

[00:43:31] What do you think of it?

[00:43:33] I think the soundtrack is fantastic.

[00:43:35] Yeah.

[00:43:35] It's Michael G.

[00:43:37] Giacchino?

[00:43:37] Yeah.

[00:43:38] It's Michael.

[00:43:39] It's Michael.

[00:43:40] Because I heard that sounds like Michael Giacchino.

[00:43:43] Yeah.

[00:43:43] And it's got great themes.

[00:43:44] Great themes throughout and reoccurring stuff.

[00:43:47] And it's beautiful.

[00:43:50] Michael's a man.

[00:43:51] He really is.

[00:43:52] He carried on.

[00:43:53] And I think he did a great job of not going so far away from a Williams sounding thing.

[00:44:03] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:03] Like, it's different, for sure.

[00:44:06] But it's not so far.

[00:44:08] It's not so different that you go, eh, I miss John Williams.

[00:44:12] Which maybe a lot of people do, and rightfully so.

[00:44:16] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:16] But I thought the soundtrack was very fitting for this one.

[00:44:19] It was beautiful.

[00:44:20] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:21] Yeah, I think he did a really good job.

[00:44:23] And when you're taking on something like this, where it is relatable to certain film,

[00:44:30] all the Star Wars films that you expect to have John Williams do the soundtrack,

[00:44:34] and then you have someone like him step in and give it his own thing,

[00:44:40] it's interesting.

[00:44:42] And can you accept it?

[00:44:43] And he is that good.

[00:44:45] He really is.

[00:44:46] I mean, again, we're sidetracked one more thing.

[00:44:49] He did the music to the first of the J.J. Abrams Star Trek films.

[00:44:55] Yes, he would use in the Alexander Courage music here or there,

[00:44:58] but his own style that he gave the film fit the film very, very well.

[00:45:04] And it still felt like Star Trek, though.

[00:45:06] That's the thing.

[00:45:07] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:08] Yeah.

[00:45:08] He still made it sound like Star Trek,

[00:45:11] and that's what the new shows are doing a great job of in Star Trek, in my opinion.

[00:45:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:16] I just started re-watching Picard season three.

[00:45:19] Oh, nice.

[00:45:20] It's as good as I remembered it, guys, for one thing.

[00:45:23] But the music, they did a lot of recurring themes.

[00:45:25] I think Michael did a fantastic job in Rogue One.

[00:45:29] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:29] Yeah.

[00:45:29] And he tackled two of the biggest sci-fi franchises, just like J.J. did, of course.

[00:45:35] Yeah.

[00:45:36] He's like the franchise guy.

[00:45:38] But what I like, too, is the fact that it does make it feel different.

[00:45:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:42] So it, like, almost, like, maybe subconsciously, I would say, it helps you realize that this

[00:45:47] is not a, this is, yes, it's a Star Wars movie, but this is a Star Wars story.

[00:45:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:52] So you accept it to be a little bit different.

[00:45:54] It's a side story.

[00:45:55] So it's like, okay, the music is different, so I'm not so confused as to, hey, how come

[00:46:00] this isn't Star Wars, Star Wars?

[00:46:02] Right.

[00:46:02] Well, it was Star Wars, Star Wars because the Stormtroopers couldn't, you know, shoot a target.

[00:46:07] But that's the thing that I find interesting about the newer-

[00:46:10] I agree with you, Athena.

[00:46:11] I disagree only because the Stormtroopers in this, I felt like, wow, these are Stormtroopers.

[00:46:18] Like, the Empire-

[00:46:19] Yes.

[00:46:19] Yes.

[00:46:20] This is always, what's always interesting is, like, this felt like Empire really is threatening

[00:46:24] in a level where it didn't quite feel like that in the movies, in the original movies

[00:46:29] especially, where it's like, it's not that threatening.

[00:46:31] But this, I felt like, oh, there really is a real danger.

[00:46:35] And they do seem really good and aim well.

[00:46:38] Well, they do aim better.

[00:46:40] Well, yeah.

[00:46:41] And I remember, that's the line in A New Hope where Obi-Wan says, these aren't random blasters.

[00:46:47] These are the Imperial troops.

[00:46:50] Like, really?

[00:46:51] Okay.

[00:46:51] So they're going to hit the side of a big tank.

[00:46:53] Great.

[00:46:54] Good shot, guys.

[00:46:55] But once again, in this film, yeah, Stormtroopers were designed to be shot at and knocked over

[00:47:00] like characters in the video game.

[00:47:03] And that's acceptable because if you lose one of the hero characters from the Rebels,

[00:47:10] when they get shot, it's a tragedy.

[00:47:13] When Stormtrooper gets shot, it's like, good.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:18] Target practice.

[00:47:19] Okay.

[00:47:20] That's great.

[00:47:20] But when, you know, when the, when, always great, when, when Blaze dies, going and, and

[00:47:31] current, he dies, you know, going to, to get the message out, to get that power to go up.

[00:47:37] It's, you know, he's, he's walking along and he's just chanting those words and it's protecting

[00:47:43] him all the way until he does what he has to do.

[00:47:47] And then he's gone.

[00:47:48] And it's a loss.

[00:47:49] It's, it's a sad loss.

[00:47:50] Or even when the, it's a character, Bodhi, Bodhi Rook, the, the pilot.

[00:47:58] Yeah, the pilot.

[00:47:58] When they throw the grenade into the.

[00:48:00] Yeah.

[00:48:00] And you're like, no, you don't want him to die.

[00:48:02] He dies.

[00:48:03] You know, and you, you accept these things.

[00:48:06] It was tasteful.

[00:48:07] For me, it felt like you can, I, I remember there being discussions or rumors about like

[00:48:12] before this came or speculation that, oh, I'm sure people are just going to die.

[00:48:16] That's why we don't see anyone.

[00:48:18] And it's like, yeah, even if you know that going in, I felt like this was still an earned

[00:48:21] death, not just like a gratuitous.

[00:48:24] We have to kill them all because for continuity, but like each character was able to do the

[00:48:29] thing they needed to do.

[00:48:30] And then they died.

[00:48:30] And I love stuff like that.

[00:48:32] But we felt they, the actors did a great job.

[00:48:35] The writers did a great job.

[00:48:38] The directing was good.

[00:48:39] All that's all of it came together so that with each, each sequential death and sacrifice,

[00:48:46] we felt it.

[00:48:47] Yeah.

[00:48:48] We didn't want these people to die.

[00:48:50] So they did a really good job there with the writing and then the actors, of course,

[00:48:54] bringing it all to life.

[00:48:55] Like they just did a great job.

[00:48:56] It's, you know, sometimes you don't care when people are killed off in films, if they're

[00:49:05] not written well.

[00:49:06] And there's something that we get attached to these characters.

[00:49:10] They just did a superb job with that.

[00:49:11] And when they, I remember watching it going, when I realized what was happening, I'm like,

[00:49:17] they're gonna, they're all gonna die.

[00:49:19] Yeah.

[00:49:19] And I went, I was blown away.

[00:49:22] I was overly excited that Star Wars went here because Star Wars doesn't really go there very

[00:49:29] often.

[00:49:29] Yeah.

[00:49:30] No.

[00:49:30] And so to kill off the heroes.

[00:49:33] So it was just, it was beautiful because also what that meant was largely, although

[00:49:39] we do have the series and or, which I happen to love tremendously.

[00:49:42] It's awesome.

[00:49:43] It was hard to get into, but it was perfect.

[00:49:47] It was what we also saw.

[00:49:49] And what I kind of felt could happen is they weren't going to turn Rogue One into crazy

[00:49:56] amounts of sequels or crazy amounts of prequels because, you know, cause they killed.

[00:50:02] And I think sometimes, unfortunately, that's what the film industry can be is just a ton

[00:50:06] of prequels, a ton of sequels, you know, nothing new under the sun.

[00:50:10] And so I loved that they did this and they all died and were, but we felt it.

[00:50:15] It wasn't just, oh, great.

[00:50:17] Now we understand a new hope more.

[00:50:18] It was, oh, we feel the weight of the sacrifice.

[00:50:22] Yeah.

[00:50:24] Even going in to see the film and you're going, why is it called Rogue One?

[00:50:28] Why is it called Rogue One?

[00:50:30] I don't get it.

[00:50:30] And then you get all the way through the film and then just this simple little scene, you

[00:50:36] know, who, what's your, what's your call name?

[00:50:38] Give him something, anything.

[00:50:40] I don't know.

[00:50:41] Rogue.

[00:50:42] Rogue One.

[00:50:43] Okay.

[00:50:44] Simple, clean, easy, accepted, wonderfully done.

[00:50:50] It's just, that's the, I think that's what's so beautiful about this film is that all these

[00:50:55] just great little sequences come together, you know, or even when like Andor is, is tasked

[00:51:02] with killing Jen's father.

[00:51:04] And then at the moment he can't do it.

[00:51:06] Yeah.

[00:51:06] He can't, he can't bring himself to that, do that, the terrible mission, even though

[00:51:12] ultimately his, his character, the father dies.

[00:51:15] And in that really, you know, one of those great moments of great death scenes that you

[00:51:19] want to have where he's just like, oh, Stardust, there you are.

[00:51:24] And then he's like, I'm with my dad.

[00:51:27] I finally hooked up with him and he's gone.

[00:51:30] And that's, that, that's it.

[00:51:32] I can hear you in your voice, Brian.

[00:51:34] It's, it, it, it, it, it's effective and it affects you.

[00:51:38] And that's, that's great acting, great writing, great directing, the whole thing.

[00:51:43] It's just what makes it.

[00:51:45] The cinematography in this was gorgeous.

[00:51:47] Oh yeah.

[00:51:48] This is a beautiful film too.

[00:51:50] Really up there.

[00:51:50] Really good.

[00:51:56] Gorgeous.

[00:51:56] You can do it.

[00:51:58] You can.

[00:51:58] Yes.

[00:51:58] Thank you.

[00:51:59] We believe in you.

[00:52:02] Yes, we do.

[00:52:03] Other, other, other thoughts on the film.

[00:52:05] I'm just going to, at this point, I'm just going to let you open.

[00:52:07] Can we go ramble?

[00:52:09] Ramble.

[00:52:10] Can we chat about like, probably the darkest thing in this movie when Cassian has to kill

[00:52:15] that dude?

[00:52:17] Like at the very beginning and they're like, early on.

[00:52:20] Yeah.

[00:52:20] Early on where it's like, whoa.

[00:52:21] Cause even Dill was like, wait, is he supposed to be a good guy?

[00:52:24] I'm like, I think he is, but it's one of those.

[00:52:26] He had to do something awful because he had to make sure the mission continued.

[00:52:31] Even though it is a really horrible thing where the.

[00:52:33] And you can question whether or not he really had to do that.

[00:52:36] I mean like.

[00:52:37] Yeah.

[00:52:38] You know, and so it sets it up is that, that yeah, this is, he's not necessarily a good guy.

[00:52:43] And then you have to figure out he kind of is, but it's still, there's still a question

[00:52:51] of whether or not.

[00:52:52] It's still a question.

[00:52:53] And that's, I think it's interesting.

[00:52:54] Is there like, even he has that speech near the end, which like, there's a really good

[00:52:59] version of that speech in Endor with the, like how many sacrifice he had, like the one

[00:53:05] guy had to make.

[00:53:06] But like, when he's like, Hey, we had to do some pretty bad stuff.

[00:53:10] We had to do it for the cause and we, for the right reasons, but it was still the wrong

[00:53:14] thing to do, which something I don't think it's ever really explored in Star Wars.

[00:53:17] At least not up to that point.

[00:53:19] It's always been for the most part, the good guys have always been the good guys and the

[00:53:24] rebels have never really done anything questionable.

[00:53:26] I would say, but Adina, you're making a face that I'm like, Ooh.

[00:53:29] Well, cause I don't know.

[00:53:30] Yeah.

[00:53:30] I don't know if that's entirely true.

[00:53:32] Certainly Star Wars, the evolution of it, it started out as a very black and white.

[00:53:38] Right.

[00:53:38] Yeah.

[00:53:38] No, but then they started to peel those, the onion layers back when we realized that

[00:53:45] Darth Vader was Luke's father and he had a past where he, he didn't start out bad.

[00:53:51] Yeah.

[00:53:52] And so they started getting more.

[00:53:54] And so I'm trying to think, I need to think more about that because I don't know that this

[00:54:00] is the only time.

[00:54:01] Cause for me, it felt like, yes, okay.

[00:54:03] Someone was corrupted and it became evil, but it was never, but this one felt like we're

[00:54:08] doing the classic, the end justify the means argument.

[00:54:12] Yeah.

[00:54:12] No, no, no.

[00:54:12] I get that.

[00:54:13] Yeah.

[00:54:14] But so, yeah, but it's interesting that you're right.

[00:54:15] I think I don't think this is necessary the first time.

[00:54:19] I could be wrong, but I feel like they've done that before.

[00:54:22] But, but you're, but you're right because, you know, here you got, you got a guy with a

[00:54:26] bad arm who's going to be, you know, he's, and you know, you're going to slow me down.

[00:54:31] So I'm going to get rid of you.

[00:54:33] So you originally think right away that Cassian, he, he's a criminal.

[00:54:38] He's a bad guy.

[00:54:39] And then we, we then see that in Andor where he's not really a, you know, he's, he's a,

[00:54:46] what they lovingly referred to in the 1970s as antiheroes.

[00:54:49] Right.

[00:54:50] Yeah.

[00:54:50] He's an antihero.

[00:54:51] He's a great character.

[00:54:52] Mm-hmm.

[00:54:54] And, but in the end, he saves the day.

[00:54:58] He saves Jen from being killed by, uh, I call him, I should call him dentures.

[00:55:06] Yeah.

[00:55:06] Krennic.

[00:55:07] Krennic.

[00:55:08] He saves the day, Krennic.

[00:55:09] And then of course we have the, the end scene of their lives coming to an end.

[00:55:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:55:15] And just, yeah.

[00:55:18] This is a movie I, like I said, you talk about, you know, can you watch a movie over and

[00:55:23] over again and never be bored by it?

[00:55:26] To me, this is it.

[00:55:27] This is really a hundred percent.

[00:55:29] I don't know if I'm there for, like, if I can watch it over and over.

[00:55:32] I could.

[00:55:33] But I could see, I could see why.

[00:55:35] It's definitely one of those ones where I wish some of the other movies had, like,

[00:55:38] we'll get into that later when we do some of the other Star Wars stories.

[00:55:42] Right.

[00:55:42] But like this, I just wish they were able to continue this quality.

[00:55:45] And they've hit on and off.

[00:55:47] But yeah, this is definitely, definitely up there.

[00:55:50] Yeah.

[00:55:50] We've got to wait until next April to see season two of April.

[00:55:54] Oh yeah, it's only next April.

[00:55:55] So that's actually fairly close, I feel like.

[00:55:57] It's getting, yeah.

[00:55:58] Because 2025 is getting, is right around the corner, kids.

[00:56:02] But still, April.

[00:56:04] But then, and that's it.

[00:56:05] That's only, there's only going to be a second season of that.

[00:56:07] That's all.

[00:56:07] Oh, really?

[00:56:08] Yeah.

[00:56:09] That's it.

[00:56:10] Oh.

[00:56:10] Yeah.

[00:56:10] Wow.

[00:56:11] Okay.

[00:56:12] Very interesting.

[00:56:13] I'm assuming it's going to like, because I, my prediction for that show is whatever the,

[00:56:19] maybe not the first scene, but they're going to do something similar where it ends with leading

[00:56:23] up to, right to Rogue One.

[00:56:25] And we'll see if that actually happens.

[00:56:27] But I think it'd be cutesy if they did that.

[00:56:29] So if they do it well, I would enjoy that.

[00:56:33] Because I really do like, I like origin stories and such.

[00:56:38] So if they can do it as well as they did this, I think that would be really cute.

[00:56:41] I would, I would enjoy it if it can be done well.

[00:56:44] Exactly.

[00:56:45] Don't know.

[00:56:46] I think if they can, just because the writing, just like for whatever reason, that writing,

[00:56:50] it seemed, not that the, like there's been other good Star Wars shows.

[00:56:54] Like I enjoyed Ahsoka, which I know that's questionable.

[00:56:57] But like for whatever reason, the writing.

[00:56:59] What, sorry?

[00:57:00] I enjoyed that.

[00:57:01] I didn't think the whale bit was kind of weird, but.

[00:57:04] The whale bit was a little weird.

[00:57:05] Yeah.

[00:57:06] But the writing in Andor just seems so strong.

[00:57:08] So I have faith that season two will be really good.

[00:57:11] And they'll do a really good job.

[00:57:14] But I think you're right.

[00:57:15] I think they can bring it up to speed to where it can end right before you can see the transition

[00:57:23] into that.

[00:57:23] Like if it's just Cassian, not running, but like, oh, okay, this is where we first meet

[00:57:27] him.

[00:57:27] Oh, cool.

[00:57:28] They did the same thing.

[00:57:30] Yeah.

[00:57:30] We'll see.

[00:57:31] It'll be interesting.

[00:57:32] Um, any other thoughts about the film that you want to share, Brian or Adina?

[00:57:37] I disagree with Adina.

[00:57:39] That's all I have to say.

[00:57:40] Wow.

[00:57:42] I guess I lose a point.

[00:57:45] Talk about hitting on a dark note there, Brian.

[00:57:48] This is funny.

[00:57:48] I just think it's so.

[00:57:50] Yeah, go ahead.

[00:57:51] Can I just say how good, like, this is not unique to Rogue One, but one thing I love about

[00:57:55] Star Wars, and I wish I could say the same thing about Trek.

[00:57:58] And in Trek, you can maybe hear the differences in ships, but like, if you were to close your

[00:58:02] eyes in Star Wars, you could hear all the different, you could tell what you can tell

[00:58:07] when there's an X-Wing or a TIE fight.

[00:58:08] And I'm like, and I just love that Rogue One was able to capture that feeling of this feels

[00:58:15] and sounds like Star Wars.

[00:58:17] And something that I always find interesting is when you go back and if you were trying

[00:58:22] to do original series Star Trek in modern days, it's always hard.

[00:58:26] But for whatever reason, we talked about this before, Rogue One feels like a modern movie,

[00:58:32] 2016, but it still feels like a new hope.

[00:58:35] And it still feels like it's in that same timeline.

[00:58:39] There's no weird, oh, why is it different?

[00:58:41] I love that they did continue kind of the JJ feel to it, where you had the prequels.

[00:58:50] One of the problems I had was it was all green screen.

[00:58:52] Yeah, that's a huge screen.

[00:58:56] And I mean, it looked incredible for its time, but I just love that they've got real

[00:59:01] sets and they're using other technology.

[00:59:04] Sure, there's green screens going on, but they're using video screens.

[00:59:07] They're using all kinds of stuff too.

[00:59:10] And so I just think that to me, these films seem bigger even.

[00:59:14] Yeah, yeah.

[00:59:15] And more what we loved about the original Star Wars films and what we still like about them.

[00:59:21] And that's a nice thing, the continuity that they did maintain, that it didn't seem like

[00:59:26] this, you know, they had different technology for Rogue One for the ships and the Death Star

[00:59:32] and everything.

[00:59:33] It felt like you were home again.

[00:59:36] You're right where you're supposed to be and everything felt in place and the characters

[00:59:40] looked right and everything, right down to the multiple pens that they always seem to wear

[00:59:45] on their sleeves or their...

[00:59:46] They always have extra pens.

[00:59:48] I never understood why they had extra pens on their uniforms.

[00:59:51] Oh, I think those are like hacking tools you can put in slots.

[00:59:56] I don't know.

[00:59:57] But I will say this.

[00:59:58] I did like the blue X-wing that had like the blue stripe instead of the red stripe because

[01:00:01] they were a blue group.

[01:00:03] I'm like, oh, that was nerdy, but that was cool.

[01:00:05] No, but that's...

[01:00:06] And that's again where you felt like you were on, you know, you were on the moon at Yavin.

[01:00:12] Yavin?

[01:00:12] Yeah, Yavin.

[01:00:13] Yeah.

[01:00:14] You're on that moon and everything seems right.

[01:00:17] It's like, oh, we're back in Rebel.

[01:00:18] We're back here.

[01:00:20] Right down to the...

[01:00:21] Do you know where they are?

[01:00:21] And she's like, I don't know.

[01:00:23] And I'm like, okay.

[01:00:23] Oh, you can tell because there's the one guy up in the crow's nest watching the ships

[01:00:29] as they leave.

[01:00:30] And you're like, yes, that was in...

[01:00:32] That's at the beginning.

[01:00:34] That's right where we are with New Hope.

[01:00:37] So, yeah.

[01:00:37] Worst job in the rebellion, by the way.

[01:00:39] Let's just say that.

[01:00:41] You even got C-3PO and R-2D2 in the air for us as well.

[01:00:45] We got them for a moment.

[01:00:46] I forgot to show up in that movie until that moment.

[01:00:47] That's right.

[01:00:47] The very end.

[01:00:48] They did have their little cameo.

[01:00:50] Mm-hmm.

[01:00:52] So, we'll get to the point now where we have to recognize the Brian Donahue five-star system

[01:01:00] of film rating.

[01:01:03] He's very proud of himself for that.

[01:01:05] He does not get any extra endorsement money from this, but he is very proud of it.

[01:01:10] So, we're going to go in alphabetical order as to the ratings of this film.

[01:01:15] We'll start off with Adina.

[01:01:17] Adina, out of the five stars, where do you stand on this particular film?

[01:01:22] This is pretty easy.

[01:01:23] It's either, you know, five or very, very, very close to it.

[01:01:27] Depending on what...

[01:01:27] Again, what we were talking about a few minutes ago about, like, can you re-watch it?

[01:01:31] As much as I like re-watching it, I can't, like, re-watch it a ton.

[01:01:34] Mm-hmm.

[01:01:35] So, maybe it's a 4.8 if I assume that five means I could re-watch it and re-watch it

[01:01:40] at infinitum.

[01:01:41] But it's in there.

[01:01:44] It's in that range.

[01:01:45] Okay.

[01:01:45] Okay.

[01:01:46] That's much...

[01:01:46] That's a little...

[01:01:47] I thought you were going to be, like, a solid four.

[01:01:50] Oh, no.

[01:01:51] It's better than a four.

[01:01:51] Okay.

[01:01:52] Okay.

[01:01:52] That's good.

[01:01:53] I don't disagree with you as much as I thought I did.

[01:01:59] You're very kind.

[01:01:59] Well, B, Brian's next, right?

[01:02:01] Yes, you're right.

[01:02:02] B, B, B.

[01:02:03] Every time I have to go A, B, C.

[01:02:05] Oh, it's Adina, me, and Chris.

[01:02:06] And then Steve does.

[01:02:07] Okay.

[01:02:08] Every time it gets me, I have to do that.

[01:02:11] It's a five-star for me.

[01:02:12] Hands down, worth five stars.

[01:02:15] I think Adina's...

[01:02:16] I think her ranking is very fair for her perspective, too, in everything she has said.

[01:02:22] But for me, especially if we're just thinking Star Wars films, I think this is a five.

[01:02:29] I think it's the best, in my opinion.

[01:02:32] But also just films in general, I think it would deserve a five-star.

[01:02:38] Okay.

[01:02:39] Mr. Chris?

[01:02:41] I'm debating between a 4.5 and a 4.8.

[01:02:44] I need to go with a 4.8 because I feel the same way with Adina, that if somebody says,

[01:02:50] we're watching Rogue One, I'm not going to complain about it.

[01:02:54] But it's not one that I can watch over and over again.

[01:02:57] Like, when I'm in a Star Wars mood, I'm putting on Empire.

[01:03:00] And I think maybe part of that's nostalgia, because I just haven't felt that way about Star Wars movies, like the new ones, just because they're much newer.

[01:03:10] And I also just don't think...

[01:03:12] Like, even though I love Michael Giacchino, I think the score did a really good job.

[01:03:17] It, to me, doesn't hit that level of Empire.

[01:03:19] Like, right now I'm thinking about either the asteroid chase, the asteroid field chase, or the Cloud City theme, which is just so beautiful.

[01:03:29] Beautiful.

[01:03:29] Yeah.

[01:03:29] So I'd say, yeah, probably a 4.8.

[01:03:32] Loved it.

[01:03:33] Really great movie, but not like a perfect...

[01:03:35] Not my favorite Star Wars film.

[01:03:37] That's what I love about rating films, is you can have a film that meets the five stars, but that doesn't mean you ever want to watch it again.

[01:03:46] Yeah.

[01:03:46] You know what I mean?

[01:03:47] Like, a film can be good, but it's...

[01:03:49] Like, for me, Gladiator is a five-star film.

[01:03:53] And I hear the second one is fantastic.

[01:03:56] Yeah, I heard the second one was really good.

[01:03:57] And I don't go...

[01:03:59] I don't watch Gladiator maybe, but every few years.

[01:04:05] Yeah.

[01:04:05] So it's still a five-star film for me, but it's not one I'm able to watch over and over again.

[01:04:11] See, I would say for me, it's like Wolverine.

[01:04:13] No, not Wolverine.

[01:04:15] Logan?

[01:04:16] Logan.

[01:04:16] Logan.

[01:04:17] Yeah, Logan, I thought, was a really well-done movie.

[01:04:20] There was nothing wrong with it, but I just...

[01:04:22] It was just so dark that, for me, I couldn't watch it.

[01:04:25] Like, I watched it once, and that was enough.

[01:04:28] And same with Joker.

[01:04:30] I was like, okay, really well-done movie.

[01:04:32] From a filmmaking perspective, from a story, they nailed it.

[01:04:36] It's easily five out of five, but I can't watch it again.

[01:04:39] Whereas Motion Picture, that's maybe a 2.5 out of five.

[01:04:43] But I can watch that any day of the week.

[01:04:45] Mm-hmm.

[01:04:46] Okay.

[01:04:47] Okay.

[01:04:48] Well, Brian, we did this one time before, and we're doing it again.

[01:04:53] We did this with Godzilla minus one, and we're doing it again.

[01:04:57] This is a five for me.

[01:04:59] I could watch this movie over and over again.

[01:05:02] With two high fives.

[01:05:02] You got it.

[01:05:04] Yeah.

[01:05:04] I can watch this movie over and over again.

[01:05:07] I never bore with it.

[01:05:09] Even though I know what's coming up, and I know where the dialogue's gonna be, it's

[01:05:14] still enjoyable to hear K2SO go, she gets a blaster, why don't I get one?

[01:05:23] I mean, just like those little nuggets are so good.

[01:05:28] I could watch all his scenes over and over and over again.

[01:05:31] I will say, so this is such a silly thing, but because there was a game, why can't I

[01:05:37] think of what it was called?

[01:05:38] It's a Jedi game.

[01:05:39] It came out, Jedi Survivor, came out in 2020, maybe 2019.

[01:05:45] Amazing game.

[01:05:46] But those, so, because obviously KS2O is a good guy, but he's an Imperial droid.

[01:05:53] So in the game, you have to fight Imperial versions of him, and they are very, very hard

[01:06:00] to beat.

[01:06:01] So even though I love him, when he shows up, there's a little bit of anxiety, because I

[01:06:05] think about all the times I died, because I was like, I should have been a little bit

[01:06:09] better against those guys.

[01:06:11] And I'll say this, K2SO says the line that appears in every single Star Wars film.

[01:06:18] He does.

[01:06:19] I've got a bad feeling about this.

[01:06:22] It's like, if that's not in the movie, it's not a Star Wars movie.

[01:06:29] Well, folks, then I'm going to say, Rogue One, what are your thoughts, listeners, on this

[01:06:36] film?

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