Farscape

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[00:00:53] Who knows what will happen today, because we will be talking about the first episode of the 90s classic, Farscape. Which I hate to admit that I've never watched before, because I feel like I should have watched it, because I'm a sci-fi guy, but I haven't gotten around to it. So to help me analyze this show are my usual co-hosts, Brian Donahue. Oh, excuse me. He caught him in. I took a drink of green tea, and it went down the wrong pipe, and I couldn't get out of it.

[00:01:23] I thought you were expecting you to say Adina first, too, brother. I thought you were going to do a spit tape, Brian. That's good. We're going to leave this in. This is what I'm talking about. Hey, everybody. It's the choking, unready-to-talk Brian from Ohio. How's it going? And Steve Merkin. Hello. Sorry. See, we already started the going with the laughing.

[00:01:50] Yes, this is Steve from beautiful, sunny California. And Adina Monyona. Hi, this is Adina from Maryland, and I was holding off on taking a sip of my tea, because it's hot, until after I said hi. Good. Well, aren't you smart? Yes. Yeah. I think we can get started and talk about Farscape, which, again, I'm just amazed that I haven't watched it. I've seen, it's a show that I've seen pop up, and I've seen images of it, and I know

[00:02:19] the two main people from Stargate, because I know it was a big deal when they came over to Stargate. It was like, oh my gosh, they're from Farscape. But I have not watched it. So I just want to go around and see how everyone felt about it, like overall. And then we get into the nitty gritty. Sure. Sure. Who goes first? Whoever, who's dying to say? I'll go first. I nominate Steve to go first. Okay. I concur. Oh, I suck at the motion. Okay.

[00:02:50] I hate to use this word, but meh? Okay. That's fair. I was never interested when it aired in 1999 on the Sci-Fi Chandler network, and it wasn't a show that my entire family would have wanted to have watched. Our sci-fi show at that time was The X-Files. And I can see why. You got me off guard, Chris, because I thought you had watched this, and that's why you recommended

[00:03:18] us to watch this. But I can see from the point of view that you were as intrigued about watching the first episode of a show and to see if it had legs, as they like to say. Yeah. Because it's one of those shows where it just never spoke to me. But even looking at the Rotten Tomatoes score, the fact it has a really high critical consensus, has a high audience consensus. And I thought, oh, you know what?

[00:03:48] This is a good excuse to just check it out and see how I feel about it. Yeah. I had never watched this when it originally came out because I was so loyal to my beloved Star Trek. Mm-hmm. And I'd say it is room for more than one show in your life. Not in my small little world, I guess, back then. In 1999. In 1999.

[00:04:12] I was unmarried, a young lad, you know, not just, but yeah, I was pretty loyal to Star Trek. I didn't even watch X-Files. I've seen maybe one episode of X-Files even. And so that's how loyal I was. And I just thought it looked cheesy at the time to me, too, compared to Star Trek. But I will say, watching this premiere episode, Chris, I was pleasantly surprised by how much

[00:04:40] I did enjoy it. I'm not saying it's fantastic art and that it ranks with the best sci-fi ever made. But I'm saying it's got some charm and some wits and a little bit of character. And, you know, I may come back to it once in a while. So overall, I would say pleasantly surprised. Yeah. I was surprised when you said that because I was like, I don't know how people are going to react. I was like, not even sure how I feel about it. But when I was like, I'm a mess. I was like, okay, there's some hope.

[00:05:10] Maybe I'll enjoy this more than I thought. How about you, Adina? Yeah. So I was trying to remember, I did not watch it when it came out in 1999. I was trying to remember why. And I think, and I was trying to just remember a life back then. Yes. I also wasn't married or things like that. But I was trying to remember if I even had the sci-fi network. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was probably paying for the most basic cable package I could possibly just to get me off like having an antenna.

[00:05:39] And I don't think it included the sci-fi network because back then I was so hungry for science fiction. I feel like I would have watched or at least started watching it. And again, we had DS9. We had Voyager. We had Babylon 5. And those were all, you know, network shows. So I feel like the only reason I wouldn't have watched it then is I just didn't have the sci-fi network.

[00:06:10] But now over the years, as it's been replayed on the sci-fi network, I know I've caught little episodes here and there enough that like, you know, I recognize the motif. I recognize the characters, not necessarily the name, but like the visuals. But I was never able to get into, you know, you know, coming in where you just watch a random episode doesn't necessarily draw you into a show. So I never got into it. So I watched the first episode for this.

[00:06:37] And I don't, I'm somewhere between Steve and Brian. I'm a little bit more than meh. But not overwhelmed. And I don't know if that's just, I don't know if it's a show or I don't know if it's like me right now. Because like what I've been watching a lot of lately is like dark comedies. Mm hmm. And so it just, it could, so it could be, have nothing to do with the show and everything

[00:07:05] to do with the fact that I've been binging dark comedies on Netflix for the last like month straight, you know? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Um, and because this is not that. Now that said, I recognize it at the top, like what I, what I felt like I was watching was a 90s show trying to recreate the feel of a 1970s thing, especially with some of the music. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And. Interesting. Yeah.

[00:07:30] And, and so I want to watch another episode or two to see if it actually does draw me into the overall thing, because a lot of the aspects of like the pure sci-fi-ness. Dude gets sucked into a wormhole and is all of a sudden like, oh my God, there's this whole world of like aliens on all these things. Like I want to be drawn in. Mm hmm. So I want to give it a chance. What I'm interested in. Totally.

[00:07:55] What I'm interested in is back, back in those days, they would make a pilot and they might make some changes come episode one. And so you might see even sets look a little different. Cinematography could look a little different. Some of the characters might even be lesser or more based on the feedback from the pilot. So I'm interested in seeing at least a few more as well. Um, but yeah, I, I guess I kind of see it, Dino, what you're saying about trying to be

[00:08:24] something seventies. Um, I, I will say I got the feel like this was different enough from other sci-fi shows as far as the characters and kind of some of the funny things happening, like in it, the little scenes that I'm sure we'll talk about. But, um, yeah, I get, I get it. I think, I think I was pleasantly surprised. Um, which might, I don't want people to think, I think this is a fantastic, awesome, and I'm

[00:08:53] totally hooked by the premiere either. I just, I was pleasantly surprised that I liked it as much as I did. I'll say one thing. Um, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. What I was going to say was I did scan through on Wikipedia, the other 88 episodes, some of them. And I have to give the writers a credit for having a sense of humor because one episode is entitled The Bug's Life. Another one is entitled Family Ties. Oh my goodness. And I love this one. I love this one.

[00:09:22] My Three Christians. So I think maybe there is something in the future of this show. Maybe there is going to be a sense of humor because if you're going to name episodes like that, that seems like maybe there's something more to this and maybe I should watch some other episodes just to see how they apply those names to it. You know, I appreciate you said that for that family ties theme or name because now I've

[00:09:52] got that theme song. Every time I hear family ties, it just, I go right to the theme song. Yeah. Now I'm scrolling on the list because I didn't think to do that. I'm scrolling on the list of episode titles and you're right. There's a lot of like, it's, it's all very punny. Yeah. There's money. And I like that back and back to the future. Yes. That old black magic. Right. Um, so yeah, no Rhapsody in blue. Mm-hmm. That sounds Jeremiah Crichton.

[00:10:21] Uh, through the looking glass. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, no, that, that's kind of cool. Yeah. So that's wild. So maybe, maybe again, you're, you know, think of it. The very first preview. The very first pilot of Star Trek flopped by the creator standards. Yeah. They had to make a second pilot of which that wasn't the very first episode they showed on this series. Mm-hmm. It was another episode.

[00:10:50] So we really didn't get in Star Trek, a true to a real pilot episode to set us going. Yeah. So that's, and that's the difference about this versus that. Anyway, enough of that. What'd you think, Chris? Yeah. I'm, I'm mixed on it because it's interesting. I love the, like, I, I'm like a D I want to be more interested because I love the concept. I think like anytime somebody gets sucked in through a wormhole and that ends up somewhere else, that's always cool.

[00:11:16] And then it's like, okay, this is not just your run of the mill spaceship. That's, you know, that's just like a, I don't know, like not electronic, but like mechanical. It's like, oh, it's, it's, it's thing is that it's also a living being and that's cool. And it's intriguing. The alien spaceship, the alien spaceship. And I want to know, does he get home and all that stuff? But there's like, it's a few things. It's like one hand, like, I'm trying to be very respectful in my thinking about it,

[00:11:42] the fact that this is 1999, this is a lower budget show. This doesn't have the same resources that Trek had. So yeah, it's going to look a little cheesy, but I find it is, it does deter me a little bit like the, like the effect of visual effects. And then at the other, the other aspect is, it's just like, it's time. There's so many other shows that I want to watch that I just feel like, it's like anytime you watch one show, you're saying no to a different show. It was like, do I want to invest in the time into it?

[00:12:11] But yeah, well, I thought it was interesting. So yeah, I'm, I'm not really sure how I feel. I'm like, Dina, where I'm like, do I want to watch more? Maybe I'll give it one more, like maybe another episode and see if I get hooked. But yeah, it just fine. Like, it's just, it does feel dated. I didn't go to 1970s only because I didn't really watch a lot of like sci-fi shows of that era. To me, it felt like, and I don't want, this is going to come off way more negative than I wanted to, where it reminds me of a show.

[00:12:42] How do I put this? Like if you were doing it, like if you were doing a sitcom or just another random TV show and they were watching a sci-fi show in that universe, this is what I feel like it would remind me of. But I also don't want to disparage it because I like, no, again, it has a good following. I like the two leads, but it's just, it wasn't quite doing it for me. Yeah. Okay. Now I have to say, I watched it. I told my older son, who's 14 and a half, I said, hey, watch this with me.

[00:13:11] And he could not like, he could not get into it. He was so not into it in like maybe halfway through, two thirds of the way through, he gave up and said, mom, I'm going to bed. He decided he'd rather go to bed and watch, watch with me. So, um, yeah. Uh, but, but again, also generally sci-fi currently is not his thing to begin with.

[00:13:39] He's more into like anime and other, you know, other things. So, so, uh, yeah, but, and the visuals and like that aspect of it, if it's a good story and good characters, I can always see past, you know, like that doesn't, that doesn't bother me. I can completely be like, yeah, that's the time, whatever the budget that does not bother me. I need it to be, you know, the characters are writing all that. And yes, this is a pilot. So I'm going to give it another episode or two. Yeah. See, yeah.

[00:14:09] See what, see what happens. I want to do that too, because like, I always think of like Stargate's the example that I like will use just because I love, sorry. I'm a diehard fan and I like watch so much of it, but growing up, it was one of the, it was like Farscape where it was on TV. I would see images of it. I'd like see clips. And I just remember like one, it was harder to watch this because I didn't have access to every single channel in the world. And there are certain shows that are just not easy to find.

[00:14:38] But then I would hear the voices of the ghoul and they just sounded cheesy. And I'm like, I'm not going to watch this. It sounds cheesy. I can just watch Trek. But then once I like gave it more time and then I remember one time I was at my aunt's and uncle's name, but I told this story during our Stargate thing where we were just like, okay, we're in the basement. There's nothing to do. Let's just watch something. And then Stargate Atlantis was here. And so we pulled it up and got into it. So it's like, I don't want to dismiss it and then potentially miss out on something that's incredible. But yeah, that first episode wasn't.

[00:15:08] Especially when so much of the science fiction community thinks this is great. Yeah, exactly. It has a good, both audiences and critical consensus. It's worth giving a chance. Yeah. Maybe I'll watch one of the goofier named episodes just to see where it goes with it. The only reason I don't want to skip episodes, especially in the beginning, is just because I want to, you know, this is where all the world, a lot of the world building. Yeah. If the story is chronological with adventures happening along the way, that's fine. And I can understand.

[00:15:38] Yeah, go ahead, Chris. Oh, I was going to say, I'm also intrigued that there's certain things like just the idea of they don't trust each other yet. But we know just because it's like they're all in the main credits and this series is all about this group that eventually they're going to start trusting each other and become a team. And I kind of want to see that aspect of it to see how do they gel together. You got to commit to. You're going to watch the whole four years of it. Yeah, four years is pretty good back then for a sci-fi show.

[00:16:08] Like that's not. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's not a small thing. Yeah. So I want to switch gears and talk about characters. OK. Who was your favorite character and why? Oh. Or did you have a favorite character? Well, yeah. One that stood out. Yeah. It's not the main character for me. OK. It's not John. It's it's the character. Not John. Sorry, John. It's not you. Let's go to the let's flip over all the cards, Joe, and come to who the winner.

[00:16:37] The winner, of course, is Aaron's son. She was the most interesting character. I like her. She was a priestess. No, she was the I think she was. Yeah, the peacekeeper. Right. That kind of. Oh, the Claudia Black character. Yeah. Who sides up with him. And she has to. You know, she's like, OK, I'm I work for the. The the main whatever they the main people were called the peacekeepers. I work for them, but I don't trust them either.

[00:17:07] And I'm going to help this guy out who I just met today. OK, but I liked she's a little of a badass. She kicks a few butts and she's interesting, whereas he kind of was. I'm sorry to say a little milk toast, you know, when it came to his compared to her compared to her. Hmm. OK, that's my favorite. My favorite was Dominar Rigel, the 16th or whatever.

[00:17:36] The little guy floating around. He had some great one liners throughout this that made me bust out laughing, which might be now that I think about it, why I was pleasantly surprised. I didn't expect to actually genuinely laugh at the humor in this show. So I like that little guy floating around and yeah, just his. He had some. He was he was kind of the quark in a way. Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:18:05] Yeah, I can see that. I stepped that back a few steps, but in the in a way, that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Hmm. I don't know if I have a favorite yet. I don't I don't feel like I bonded enough with any of the characters yet. But that's legitimate. Yeah. I mean, a few more episodes. Yeah. I mean, you haven't taken a side yet. No, I have not. I have not. There are things that I like and things that I'm not fond of.

[00:18:35] I would say about almost all of them. Yeah. And then the head of the the peacekeepers, the guy with the black hair and the mustache and all that. You know, he's generally or have been created. He's the heavy. He's like, we're we already know we're supposed to just like this guy. Yeah. We're supposed to establish that. Yeah. I don't know if he's like taking this for the whole series or if he's like a like a first season villain. But yeah, no, he's interesting.

[00:19:00] I it's so hard because I love I love both the two the two leaders. He's going to love them in Stargate. And so they're always they're always fun to like they're fun to watch. But I found in terms of what I was most interested in is pilot just because he doesn't have a name. They just kept calling pilot pilot. So I don't know if pilots even like a full being or pilots like merged with the with the ship. And that's why only pilots can fly it.

[00:19:27] And to do it manually or for anyone else to it's a big deal. So I think I think pilot for me is the one where my dad's that's interesting. I need to know more about pilot. I want to know the relationship between pilot and the other crew and pilot and the ship. Yeah. Considering everybody else's unique names and his is just pilot like the doctor, like the radio man on a submarine or a ship. He sparks, you know, he's always. And I will say the the I don't even know if I can.

[00:19:57] I think it's a to Argo, maybe the the Lux and get the warrior. It's and this is not even their fault. This is just an issue I have with a lot of shows. Once I see a character who's a warrior race, I automatically compare them to the Klingons. And I just felt like this feels like it's not you're not the same level, but it's like it's not there. It's like, yeah, this is the this is what they're going for. So for me, I'm kind of interested to see more of him.

[00:20:23] But I definitely have to get past my this is like a cheap Klingon bias. But you know what I think I like about, you know, what he reminded me of was from Lower Decks. What was the episode with the peanut hamper's redemption pseudo redemption? Oh, the she's on the race of like the basically bird people bird people. Yes, that that's that's kept who like instantly because I've seen that several times and I've

[00:20:51] seen that episode several times because I love Lower Decks. Like I'm now thinking that this guy is one of that those creatures, even though different universe. But although I wonder if the people who did Lower Decks were inspired by far escape for when they created that species, maybe. Yeah, I could see that. It'd be interesting. Yeah. So I don't think of a Klingon. I think of them as those bird creatures. Right. Yeah. Okay. Now I want to go watch the Lower Decks episode again.

[00:21:21] I need to. That's good for you. You know what I want to watch as a result of our discussion? What's that? Family Ties. No, I digress. I digress. No, I will tell you this. I had all the teen bop magazines with, you know, Michael J. Fox, like pasted up in my back, back in that day. Yeah. Okay. Hey, my grandson, who's six, loves Family Ties. And when we go to that, when we were at their house this weekend, then you turn on the TV,

[00:21:50] automatically it goes to Family Ties on whatever network or channel it's on. Yes. He loves that show. I've seen that in years. I gotta find that. Yeah. It's so good. I watched it every now and then. And the comedy in that still holds up. In another show that's even older, this is really a rabbit trail here, Fox. I'm sorry. I called you Fox. I never called you by your last name alone. That's okay. Fox, get out of here. I want to talk to you for a second. I play one of my favorite games of all time with Star Fox.

[00:22:20] After you're done, Merkin, I want to go over to Mignola. Okay. So, another show that still holds up the comedy is the Dick Van Dyke show. That show is still just as fresh in this comedy as any comedy today. So, anyways, I digress. Bring us back. So. Okay. Thank you. We're talking about comedy. Do it, Fox. A Different World is really great. And the character that plays, Lisa, I think that's how you pronounce her name. And I'm messing up.

[00:22:50] It's Captain Freeman. Okay. Which is Lower Decks, which reminds us of Farscape. We're back. Yes. You're right. Okay. Hey. Are we playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon here? Is this what we're doing now? Six Degrees of Star Trek. That's one of my new favorite Christian Fox moments right there. How he got us back on track. Actually, you know what? Here's a tangent. Okay. Go ahead. How did you. This isn't even the question that I wrote, but I just thought it was such a funny moment

[00:23:19] that I could see us saying if we were in that situation when he's throwing shade at Steven Spielberg in Close Encounters. How did you feel? Oh, I like that. Yes. I did like that. Yes. Mm-hmm. See, I forgot that little. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Steve. No, I was going to say that's where I think there is some embedded humor that might be in the future. So, yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I thought it was like one of those like, oh, this is cool because I love it when sci-fi,

[00:23:47] like I wish Star Trek would do it, but obviously they can't because they're very like. They're too far down. They're too serious, but I love it when like sci-fi references modern day things and like, oh, like that movie or when they'll bring up Back to the Future or something. So, yeah, I enjoyed that a little bit. But again, where this takes place, it's not, it's the very near future. It's not 100, 200, 300 years in the future, though they did make some references in Enterprise

[00:24:15] going back to movies and things like that from currently. But a show like this, yeah, it's easy to make those references in a timeline that works. So, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. So, okay, one of the things I really, this is an Adina question, but Adina, walk us through the science and just say any analysis you have on the, we're going to, like his whole thing is that he's going to create, he developed this whole new ship that's supposed to like

[00:24:43] slingshot around the Earth using friction, then get thrown out of the atmosphere, out of the planet, you know what I mean? Yeah. That whole thing. Yeah, so, okay. So, they, I think, mixed a lot of terminology together to create something completely fake and they use a lot of terminology wrong. So, so again, putting on, I put on the science cap where like I have to turn off that brain for the sake of the story.

[00:25:12] All they need to do is find some way to get them kind of out a little further away from Earth so he can kind of connect with his wormhole. And they did it in a really hooky way. So, there are things, a slingshot maneuver, a gravity assist maneuver is a real thing. We, we do this today. Okay. This is how we get, you know, our deep space probes out to the outer planets. Europa Clipper, which launched a couple months ago, it will do some gravity assists to get, you know, it out. That's a thing. Okay. Okay.

[00:25:42] But launching right into essentially low Earth orbit and using the atmosphere, like that, nothing about that makes any sense. If you're going back in the atmosphere, you're going to burn up basically. Or as we, you know, we've seen in Star Trek a couple of times, this concept where they're going at the right angle that they like bounce off. Oh yeah. That's right. I think there is some possible possibility, but you've got to be like the thing that bothered

[00:26:10] me in the episode, if I was letting myself get bothered by, you know, the lack of science-y things, was they were talking about using this to build up enough speed for interstellar travel. Right. It was like the first step or something like that. No, no, not, not even, there's nothing about any of that. That's real. So like I said, they used some terminology. It was real, but in a completely convoluted made up, we just need to have some excuse to get them out into space way.

[00:26:38] I think the problem for us, he did not have the Heisenberg compensator running with that 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit of, no, you're absolutely right. It's yes. Friction slows you down. It doesn't speed you up, but that's okay because it's all suspension of belief and they got to give us something. And, and the fact that he opens a wormhole, which could have deposited him anywhere in the galaxy.

[00:27:08] I don't know if he opens it or it's just there and he just happened to hit the right spot at the right time. That's where I was. That's what I was confused about because it seems like he wasn't even that far out. Like he wasn't that far from earth and then the wormhole showed up. I'm like, why didn't he just like, just be a regular astronaut? But didn't he also do that? And then, then there's the wormhole. It didn't seem like he wasn't even doing anything to cause the wormhole. There was like no need for. I think it, they left it vague. It was kind of vague enough, which is again, fine, but they just needed to get him into there

[00:27:37] and that, that just get him so far away from earth and the solar system where he doesn't know where he is, where they don't know where he is, you know, where he's from, you know? So, so again, they just use this as a plot device to just get them out. So, fine. But yeah. And they used it twice. They used it twice in the episode. Right. And later in the episode, when they were trying to get away from the peacekeepers, he says the same thing. Dive into the atmosphere and go as fast as you can. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah.

[00:28:07] And then, boom. Yeah. See? If it's first, you don't succeed. Try, try again. I liked what they were going for in that it's like you have something established in the beginning of the episode that the character can do. And then he's not successful. But then that thing comes back in later in the episode to like kind of redeem that character. And that's a cool connection. But it's you're right. It's like, OK, doesn't quite work because the science is already bad. But I like what they were going for.

[00:28:34] I think what they're going for is like, let's have a good call back to let's show why this guy is as good as he is. Let's show it. Also, just give them some reason like, hey, I'm actually trying to help. So it gives it gives them all a reason to bond. You know, it gives like them a reason to like and trust him. It gives them all a reason to like and trust the former peacekeeper, you know, because she manually flies the ship. Actually, that was one of the things I liked about Pilot is he had some snarky comments

[00:29:01] when they're like, hey, we want to manually fly. And I forgot what he said, but it was snarky. And I remember smiling at that. Maybe Pilot will be my favorite character. I hope he's like the snarky computer or whatever he is. Did you guys look Steve? I don't know if I if we have done an episode where you have not referred to the always reliable, never wrong Wikipedia. It is. It is. It is everything. Go ahead.

[00:29:31] Right. I'm looking at this. This was produced by the Jim Henson company. Oh, we haven't gotten to that point yet. And then also Hallmark Entertainment. Yeah. And this was this was the network anchor series for Sci-Fi Channel. It was originally it's an Australian American science fiction series produced by Rockne or conceived by Rockne S. O'Bannon, produced by the Henson Company, Hallmark Entertainment,

[00:30:00] originally for the Nine Network. But it premiered in North America on the Sci-Fi Channel Sci-Fi Friday segment on March 1999 at 8 p.m. as the network anchor series. I didn't realize it was that important to the Sci-Fi Channel. Well, yeah, I didn't realize that. Well, what's interesting you just said about the Henson Company, because when I started watching and he gets on the the Moya, is that the name of the ship? The Moya? I think that's how you pronounce it. That sounds right. Yeah. OK.

[00:30:28] And you had the one character, which was a puppet. And all I kept thinking about when I started when I first had character appeared, I thought, am I watching the Dark Crystal? Because it sure has that feel to it. Yeah. And then when I watched the ending credits and I saw one of the producers was Brian Henson, I went, aha. Right. That makes sense. It looks like the Dark Crystal. OK. I feel like I don't know. I just feel like I've had that knowledge, that little bit of knowledge, the fact that,

[00:30:57] you know, those characters were Muppets, essentially. I don't know that. I feel like I've carried that knowledge maybe from when I'd seen bits of episodes in the past. I don't know. Somehow I just I just I knew that. Oh, wait, I've seen Henson exhibits or maybe that. Mm hmm. I don't know. I just knew that somehow. It's very interesting. I was not surprised. So when I saw these couple, you know, these couple characters show up in their Muppets, I'm like, OK. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, I was I was expecting it, I guess.

[00:31:25] But I didn't know that it was Henson Productions that were involved in this until I saw the puppet and that right away. I said, OK. That makes it so much. I was like, oh, that feels like a Muppet, like that or a puppet. Yeah. Not a Muppet. Puppet. Well, no. Well, they are referred to as Muppets. Yeah. So I was I was that was that's cool to know. That makes a lot more sense now. Mm hmm. Um, I want to go into set design. How did how did you all feel about the like the set design and the makeup and all that all those elements?

[00:31:56] Makeup was fine. Yeah. It wasn't anything glaring or weird. I thought some of the stuff it was intriguing in its own way. But again, sci fi looking very much sci fi looking. I don't know if I'd call anything groundbreaking on it. Um, but yeah, the the sets were fine, too. Um, but they you know, the thing about that, like like the effects in the sets definitely look like it's the 90s era.

[00:32:27] Yeah. Um, it doesn't hold up watching it. But, you know, it's I still say if you've never seen it, you should give it a shot and at least see if you like it or not. Yeah. Check it out. I'll say this. The one character, the the warrior. Is that? Oh, yeah. The Luxon. I forgot his name. Coddy Argo. I think all I kept thinking about when I saw him the first time up on the screen, I went right back to Alan Rickman in Galaxy Quest.

[00:32:55] I kept thinking about the same makeup that he had. He was forced to wear. And this guy's gets the same thing. Like you were you're the you're going to be the alien of the humanoid alien. So guess what? You're going to be in makeup for four hours getting all these head pieces put onto you. Poor guy. Yeah. If you're. I think. Oh, yeah. No, I like, you know, I like the makeup, especially I don't remember how to say her

[00:33:22] character, but Virginia Hayes character, the, you know, the bald blue skin. And I was looking at, you know, like I liked kind of she'd like, you know, it was blue, but then all the detail of like the dots and the things. Very nuanced. Yeah. No, that looked really nice. That that was really good job of makeup that they put her through. Yeah. So I like that. And as for the sets, I was trying to get the feel of the layout of the ship. And I don't think I quite got it yet. But again, just in one episode, I would kind of like to, you know, a little bit more there.

[00:33:51] And the fact that it's like this whole idea, it's a living ship. Right. Which again, which makes me think back to next generations episode Tin Man. Right. Which was that kind of living ship, but not, not the same, but you know, other than it's a living ship. But so I am, I am very curious to know more and see more about what the ship is going to be like. I thought it was kind of ambitious that they went planet side in that first premiere episode,

[00:34:17] because so, you know, you've got the ship, you got the peacekeepers there, bridge, whatever, but then they're on a planet. And like, you see when John, he like kind of looks out and, you know, he's like, kind of like, oh my gosh, I'm on an alien world. And this is whole civilization and city. And I thought that was kind of interesting that they did that, you know, that they, you know, at least incorporated a little bit of that.

[00:34:41] It seemed like an ambitious choice for something that maybe they'll never come back to. I don't know, but it was kind of cool to, you know, you've got this human character that yes, kind of contemporary from us that is all sudden plopped on this pretty much star Trek looking like planet, which was kind of cool. Yeah. I like that. Oh yeah.

[00:35:06] So I was just going to say in relation to what Adina was saying about the sets, like with Star Trek, we're pretty spoiled. It's, you know, the ships very often are a character under themselves on, on the Star Trek shows that we come to care about. Right. And they oftentimes give us shots that highlight the sets kind of slow panning shots of the

[00:35:32] outside of the ship, the inside, you know, the bridges around the pylons. Exactly. Circling the pylon. Yeah. I don't, I don't think we really got a full taste of everything in this episode as far as that's concerned. And so maybe as you know, if we choose to watch, we'll find more and maybe those Farscape fans out there who listen to the podcast, who might be super thrilled. We're talking about this show.

[00:35:58] So finally can email us or get on our Facebook page, Instagram account, whatever. And yeah, give us clues as to what episodes are the best. Yeah. That would be helpful. And tell us what you love about the show. Yeah. Because yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with Adina where it's like, it wasn't the best set in the world, but I'm intrigued by it just because it is a living ship and it looked different. And so I kind of like what they did, even though it was obviously they're limited by budget. It's the nineties. But yeah, this is, I keep coming back to the word intrigued where I'm like, I'm curious.

[00:36:29] I don't want to watch more, but it's just like 88 episodes. That's a lot to invest. Yes, it is. Tell us which episodes we can skip. Yeah. Like where are the essential, essential Farscape? What are the dogs in the room that we should not be petting? So I think I've mentioned, I've been doing a Voyager rewatch and I found a website where they, he lists out all the episodes and he specifically says, absolutely watch this. Absolutely. You can totally skip this. And then others that are like, skip a bull.

[00:36:59] And now I'm in the seven season seven and I am at this point, I am just watching it to the end. But for those early seasons, just because just the pure time of watching seven seasons, I wanted to skip a few just because I, you know, there's, there's so much to watch. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And they are really, I, I don't know how this is like for, for Farscape, but Voyager is very self-contained. And I think that's one of the problems is that there's a lot of episodes where you can

[00:37:26] skip because like, there's like no, there's no development in the characters. So I wonder, yeah, maybe there's like a bunch that we can kind of skip, but yeah, if you, if you, if you can give us that guide, let us send that to us. I just know what, what we can skip and what's essential, essential Farscape. All right. What about the music? I want to talk about the music and I'm sure Brian, I have a feeling you'll have some thoughts on that. Sure. Should I go? Yeah. Go right ahead.

[00:37:55] I thought the music was a little over the top at the beginning of this premiere episode, but as it went on the, some of the outer space scenes and stuff, I liked how they brought in the electronic stuff and the drums and, um, beats and stuff like that. So I, I found it interesting. I'm not going to say it's, I'm sure. I don't, I doubt it won any Emmys for its music.

[00:38:25] Maybe it did. I don't know. I'm not, I haven't read that much of the Wikipedia article yet. Um, but I just, I will say it was, I found it mildly charming as I watched it in two installments. I watched it a few days ago and then the rest of this afternoon and I found it, I was listening and I was like, okay, well that's kind of sounds, it sounds if I was watching television again in 1999, I would say that's a different type of sounding soundtrack than I've heard in other sci-fi stuff at the time.

[00:38:55] So I give it props for that. Well, a lot of the electronic stuff is what reminded me of like the seventies and I'm trying to think of, there's a sound and I'm trying to think what show or movie it's making me think of like, maybe like Logan's run or maybe old doctor who like 1970s doctor, something about it. And I think because, um, it's, I guess, partly an Australian show and I associate some of the Australian culture and certain things a little bit with British and it had that,

[00:39:24] you know, kind of seventies art rock electronic feel to it for me. Um, I used to be a huge fan, I guess I still am a huge fan of, uh, Rick Wakeman, who is the keyboardist from yes. And he did this thing years ago called journey to the center of the earth. So it's the story journey to the center of the earth, but told in this like electronic music form. And it's totally that vibe of like seventies electronic stuff.

[00:39:52] And so, yeah, it all, that's, that's why I feel like this was like a nineties show trying to like recreate some of that seventies stuff through the music. Um, as far as the musical score went, Chris, I can just say there was one. I have no memory of it. It, it, it made no impression upon me whatsoever. I mean, some shows, you know, I mean, the opening music just draws you right in and pretty

[00:40:19] much every Star Trek series, that opening music is unique. I mean, when you, when you watch TOS and you hear the ding, ding, you hear that, you go, I know what this is going to be because it's so memorable, but I wasn't, I guess I wasn't watching it for the music. I guess I was watching it for the characters and the story. And was I really was, was this sellable? Did this sell me to want to watch more and more? Yeah. That's so interesting.

[00:40:49] You say that Steve, because I was intentionally at some point during this episode, listening to the music. Okay. Okay. And Adina has a connection to it for a reason she just mentioned, you know, but you're saying you don't even, it's really, you don't even remember it much. No. And so that's, that's a really interesting perspective. I think that's really telling perhaps. Yeah.

[00:41:14] It just, because I was intentionally at some point during the episode wanted to listen to the music and it just happened randomly. And I'm like, Oh, I kind of like it's electronic and it's, you know, maybe sounds different than any other show in that time period that I remember. So that's, I like your perspective. I think that might be accurate. Yeah. I'm in the middle because like I, I was actively listening to the music and I wanted to like the intro more than I did, but I wonder if it's something that I'm like, if I just listened

[00:41:43] to it a few more times, because I've had shows where an intro has made no impression, but then I started to, then as I watched the show more than I'm like, Oh, now I actually love the intro and it's something and I'll do the thing. And I hate to admit this. I probably have said this before where if I like it, if I like a theme to a, like a TV show, I'll just go on YouTube and find like a 10 hour version and just have that loop while I'm working. So I'm like, is this going to be a loopable one? I don't know, but I want to go back and listen to it again.

[00:42:10] But I remember watching it and just being like instantly like, okay, what's Brian think of this? It sounds interesting, but right now I can't think of how it sounded. I see. Even though I was, even though when I was watching it, it seemed interesting. So I want to go back and it does take me a few times to like watch something to like really remember what the score is. Mm-hmm. That's good. Yeah. I agree. There's just one, like one particular sound that I can, I can absolutely hear in my head

[00:42:38] and it like that to me epitomizes the, that 1970s electron. I can hear it. I can't do it. I can't make the sound for you. Right. It'll not come out right. But it's in my head. But if you watch it, if you watch it later, if you find the time code, send it like in the group chat and then we can. I will. But it's like, I don't know. I can't do it. That was pretty good. I like that. Yeah. All right. Um, I think. Oh, I'm looking up. Oh yeah.

[00:43:07] Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm looking up the lyrics to the family ties theme song. Oh my God. Do not click on the baby Keem and Kendrick Lamar version. Okay. It's quite different than the original family ties, but I can't find it. So anyways. Good to know. I'll tell you a little like behind the scenes in our, in the, in the, like the night Fox household. What we do with our shows is once we like it, especially if we love the show, we will come

[00:43:36] up with words for the, the intro and it's just, it's so dumb. It's like, like I'll do the space nine is a safe station. It's so dumb, but we have fun with this. I don't know if, if our escape is going to come into rotation, but something I'll, uh, I'll keep everyone updated on. Deep space nine is a space station station. It's so dumb. But yeah. So we, that's, if we liked the theme, we're like, okay, let's, let's start doing, putting lyrics to it.

[00:44:06] Um, but I guess, I think all we really have to do now is rate the show. Unless there's before we give the five star rating as developed by Brian Donnie, because nobody has ever done this before on any podcast or movie review or video game review ever. So using a five star rating. Okay. Well, my dying. Brian Donnie. Brian Donnie. But I do have a final. Oh yeah.

[00:44:35] Oh yeah. We should all start calling each other by our last names just to be cool. And see what happens. Oh no. I do have, I'm kidding. Of course. Okay. Um, I mean, it's okay. Okay. Just don't want to call me Rizzle or be here. Hey, hey. Okay. No, I'll tell you this truth. Brian, through all of high school, through all of elementary school and middle school. And even to this day, people only called me by my last name. Merkin.

[00:45:05] I'll be darned. Yeah. Really? Because there's too many Steve's in the world, but there's only a few of us. Oh, here's a weird one. And I'm reading the LA times a few months ago and I'm reading this letter by someone and it's written by S T E V E Merkin. And I went, that wasn't me. Oh, wow. I have a doppelganger out there. Yeah. My name just doesn't come across that well when it's done. So that I don't know. Yeah. Okay.

[00:45:33] Going back to the whole point of Donahue and people go, you're related to Phil. Phil Donahue. I'm sorry. No, I think of Mark Donahue. I'm sorry. And I want, here's my final thought. And I offer this from the deepest place of my heart and my soul. I bet we've been together for a million years and I bet we'll be together for a million more.

[00:46:01] Come on, family ties. There we go. Okay. That's my final thought. My rating for this show is you guys are welcome and I'll be here all night. Okay. Okay. Leave a tip in the little wine jar. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So my rating on this show, it's really hard being the very first show. So we're just rating just that episode. Right. Right. Just the episode. I know. I know. Yeah. Okay.

[00:46:28] I'm just stating that I find it's hard and we should acknowledge that it's just the first episode. We're not rating the whole series. I think for Farscape fans who might convince all of us one day to watch the whole series. Yeah. We haven't seen it. We haven't seen it. So we can't rate something we haven't seen. Just the first episode. Mm-hmm. Just, just, yeah. Just rating the first episode. And I also want to state that sometimes the first episodes of shows are not as good as the shows themselves. They're usually the worst, I would say.

[00:46:57] It's just because it's not established as well. Sometimes. You know all that. Not always, but sometimes. Yep. Very fair. So I'm going to give this, I think it's a solid two. I don't think it's that bad, but I don't think it's that great either. So for me, a two seems like a reasonable thing without having any knowledge of the rest of the series and how it developed and how great it could have become. I think it's a two and a two.

[00:47:26] Oftentimes guys will get me to watch more. Okay. You know, it really will sometimes. That's fair. I feel, I feel like a very honorable two. Okay. All right. You want to go next? Do you want me to go? I want you to go. Okay. I'm still thinking. I'm still thinking. This is what I wrote down. There have been series that the first episode had me right at the beginning lost right away. I want to know what happened in this plane crash people.

[00:47:55] The series person of interest. I want to know about the machine and how it is able to determine good and bad people. This little series called Star Trek, the first episode. Fallout. Also. I started to watch that. And then while we were at visiting my son-in-law, he had us watch the first episode, which I hadn't done yet, of Skeleton Crew. The Disney Star. I want to see that. I loved it. Boom.

[00:48:23] It got me right into it. And those are just a few of the shows that have just sold me the very first episode. But they made me want to watch more and to binge watch it. You know, I could sit and find myself going through and watching certain series now that we can go over and over and over again. And then there are shows where the very first episode, I know I don't like it. Now, this is not a science fiction show.

[00:48:48] But the third, the spinoff from Big Bang and Sheldon, George and Mandy's first marriage. Oh, that's out. Yes. And I watched the first episode. I even set up to automatically record future episodes. And after that first episode was done, I disabled that option and have not watched an episode since. It was, by my standards, it was terrible.

[00:49:16] This show does not fall into that category of I do never want to watch it again. So I will give it another shot. But I agree with you, Brian. I think this, based on the opening episode, it's a two. Right. Not so much that I don't want to watch it ever again. Right. But if I have time to watch another episode, I will give it another episode. Adina. See?

[00:49:45] I feel like we need to, at some point, make definitions for what, like, a one, a two, a three. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's hard. It's a feeling inside of you. Sure. If I gave something a two, to me, that is something that I'm... So to me, like, a two is I'm probably not going to watch it again or continue. Where one is I'm telling other people don't watch it, you know? Yes. Yes. So I'm kind of closer to a three. Okay.

[00:50:12] But again, I think, though, my three is based on the fact that I'm aware that a lot of people love this show. You know, if I... If... Let's say this just came out today and we just watched it. I'd be probably closer to a two, I don't... And I'm not going to continue. You know, I'm not going to continue. Right. But because I know the history, I'm like, okay, I want to give it a chance.

[00:50:41] Now, that said, I don't... I'm trying to think, like, what would I have done back in 1999 given I felt more starved for science fiction? Yes. Like, if I had seen this in 1999, what would I have thought then? And I don't... I don't know. And that's bugging me. Okay. And because the thing is, like, I might have given it a chance because there wasn't exactly an overwhelming amount of science fiction.

[00:51:11] Yeah. You know what I mean? So I don't know. So I think I'm closer to a three, which means I do want to watch some more. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So a three. I guess I'm a three. And Chris, you sent us down this rabbit hole. So what's at the end of the rabbit hole? So I want to echo what Adina is saying about the ratings because I know we're, like, we were doing a five. You know, we're doing it out of five stars. I always find that hard because I always go back.

[00:51:36] And this is just because I've been reading IGN news articles for, like, probably more than a decade now. Longer, maybe, like, 20 years, if I'm being honest. Where I always go by their 10 scale where it's, like, a five is mediocre and it's just, like, barely passable. A six is okay. And then seven is, like, probably the worst good. And then you get your great, which is an eight. And then nine, which is amazing. So I would, and then 10 is masterful.

[00:52:04] So I want whatever the mathematical equivalent to a six is. But I think it was okay. I don't think it was the best, but it wasn't the worst. And I'm intrigued by it because I know, as Adina's pointing out, there's a lot, there's a huge fan community out there. And this is, like, a fun, like, this is probably an essential sci-fi show from the 90s just because it's, like, I just see it everywhere. And it's, and I've seen it, like, just flipping through channels. And it just seems to have stayed a very long time. So I think that's important.

[00:52:34] And I'm just curious to see where it goes. I want to know, how does he get home? Does he get home? How does the crew gel more? There was a movie, too. Yeah, there was, like, a movie afterwards. There was a movie after the series ended. Yeah. Yeah. Because it canceled at the end of the fourth season. They had not wrapped things up. They just stopped production. So it's kind of like Gilligan's Island where we never knew what happened to the crew of the minnow. We had to wait until there was a TV movie to answer the question what happened to the folks on Gilligan's Island.

[00:53:04] Which is one of the greatest movies made for TV movie films ever. It was one of the greatest, top ten for sure in the history of television movies. Oh, yeah, Tony. You betcha. So I have to say this. I actually don't, at this moment in time, I don't care if John gets home or not. Like, to me, that is, that is, like, the least interesting, you know, like, the interesting stuff is happening out where he is.

[00:53:30] Now, on the flip side of that, what I would be interested in seeing, so for all his friends and family knew back on Earth, he, some accident happened and he's dead or something like that. What I would like to see is them get clued into there's this universe of people and civilizations and stuff out there. That, to me, is potentially interesting and would be the only reason for me for him to want him to go home is so he brings the knowledge and so other people learn.

[00:53:59] So I would be interested, like, I would think it'd be kind of cool if there was a side plot where they're trying to figure out what happened to him and they find the wormhole that he fell into. Ah, that would be a good point. Yeah, that would be cool. You know, and that, like, their investigative journey, to me, that would be interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point, Adina. That's a good point because think of it. Let's say Voyager season six, season comes to an end, and the folks at Paramount said, nope, we're done.

[00:54:29] We're not making it anymore. We never would have known what happened to the crew of the Voyager if they ever made it home or not. Would we have been satisfied by never having seen them make it home? I don't know. Or was it important that the seventh season allowed a two-hour season finale of how they finally did get home? Okay. So this is, that to me is totally apples and oranges because... I don't know. It's just theoretical.

[00:54:59] This is just theoretical. Wondering. But yeah, no. So I guess my point is, is yes, we absolutely want to see them get home. Right. 100%. Yes. So we're invested, like, so in this case, you have this crew, so in the Farscape case, you have a crew of characters. Only one dude who we barely met wants to get home, you know, back to Earth. Yeah, the other ones don't. They're not looking to get back to Earth. No. They're not from Earth. Voyager, they're all looking to get back. Right. So the whole team, the whole, that's the whole reason for the show.

[00:55:30] Yeah. Yeah. The question I'd have is, on the premiere episode of Voyager, did you want to know if and how they get home? Did you feel like they did good enough with all those characters to make you go, oh, I want to see if they get home or I just want to see them in the outer space? I don't know if they created the mystery of, like, will they get home? I think we kind of assumed they would because it's Trek, and Trek has always had happy-ish endings.

[00:56:00] I think it was just a question of how are they going to get home or how long will it take? Yeah. I feel like. Well, I think, you know, watching the premiere of Voyager originally, I think it was kind of like, hey, we know that that's where the show is going to be. They're going to be out in the Delta Quadrant for, like, quite a while. Mm-hmm. But, yeah, but I guess my point is, is if they had cut it off and we didn't know they got home, yes, I would have been livid. Yes, exactly.

[00:56:26] But I feel like this is a different, but that's because it's the whole team and they're all working to this goal. This, already you can tell, this whole team's goal is not going to be getting this one dude back to Earth. They've got their own stuff going on. And that's the adventure of it. I don't think I'll ever care about, yeah, I don't think I'll ever care about John getting, like, maybe I'll care a little bit if he continues to actually want that. Because the thing is, in this case, I could also clearly see maybe John at some point is not going to want to get back home.

[00:56:56] Yeah, he finds this new family and he's happier there. I feel like it's an apple. You can't compare this to the... No, no, I know. I was just thinking in theoretical, how would we feel one versus the other? But I agree with you about the point of is that it really doesn't matter if he got home or not. I'm not worried about... Because going, you know, trying to find the highway that's going to take him through the wormhole back home.

[00:57:24] And when he gets there, you know, are people going to go, wow, how's it... Where did you go? How was the food? Do they have bathrooms there in outer space? What, you know? I mean, yeah. I guess the thing is, okay, so what we do know, so given that the four of us, we've only seen the first episode. We haven't seen the whole series, okay? But we are aware that they did, it got cut off without a series conclusion, okay?

[00:57:52] But the thing is, what we don't know, because we haven't seen it, is we don't know what threads they're leaving hanging. Yeah, exactly, exactly. John might, it might not even be, you know, him not getting back to Earth might be a minor thing by then. Because he might be so, like, embedded and ingrained, that's not the thread that gets left off. You know, it's going to be something else because you've got this whole team of characters. So, I guess that's the interesting question.

[00:58:21] That you're like, not does he get home, but does he want to get home by the time we get there? Like, how much is he going to change through the course of the series? And is he, like, you know, going to be so invested in the crew he's with that he doesn't feel that same need to get home that he does right now? Because what's waiting for him at home? His dad, who was played by Kent McCord from the TV show Adam 12? No, no. Yeah, Kent McCord's Adam 12.

[00:58:48] Is there something that he's missing? They didn't even give that at the beginning, like, he's got a wife and a kid. It sounds like no. It sounds like there's none of that. It was like, so I wrote down that when he went on this mission, it essentially was almost a suicide mission.

[00:59:05] Because if it didn't work and whatever device, whatever the Farscape spacecraft failed in its ability to do, he might have crash landed and been a smoldering wreck. And that would have been the end of it, you know? So, yeah, we don't really – but we know that the Voyager crew wants to get home. They're invested. They're invested. And you're right, Adina.

[00:59:32] With this guy, he might accept, this is my life. These are the people – these are my – this is my humanity where I'm going to be with these people. At the end of episode one, he still wants to get home. Cool. Right. But we don't know that that's where they're going to be at the end of season four. Yeah, exactly. So this is all to say – this is why I probably will give it a three, just because it's not the best show in the world and it's not amazing. But I'm intrigued enough that I kind of do want to watch it. It's just a matter of time.

[01:00:01] How can I, you know, find the time to do this and to figure, okay, what else is on my list that I need to get busy with and start watching? And you're absolutely right because you get – there's so much television right now. There's so many – I mean, we finally just finished watching Ted Lasso the other night. We finally got out through all three seasons of that, which was great. But I'm liking the skeleton crew. I didn't know what to expect with it.

[01:00:30] But they're likable characters in this. And they're the same thing where these kids are – they're lost from their home and they want to get back to it. And you have to see them follow this interesting little trail. So, yeah, if a series is – if the characters are likable right off the bat, you are then invested in them getting back home if that is the adventure.

[01:00:58] Space 1999, same thing. Moon is ejected from Earth's orbit. They're out there. They want to get back to Earth. Earth's, it's the adventure, you know? Well, on that note, thank you everyone for another great show and great discussion. I'm glad we got to do this because it's one of those shows that's been on my list. And then as I was watching, I'm like, do I want to go down the Babylon 5 rabbit hole and suggest that for an episode sometime? Who knows?

[01:01:27] But we'll see. But for now, you know, just listen to some of our old episodes. Go watch a sci-fi show. Maybe check out Farscape. And if you have suggestions or other things we should watch, let us know. And of course, as usual, stay safe. Be nice to each other. And go watch some fun sci-fi. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of the Big Sci-Fi Podcast.

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