024 - The Collector’s Corner: The Nacelle Company

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[00:00:30] Hello and welcome to the Collectors Corner, a supplementary edition of The Divine Treasury.

[00:00:47] My name is Mike Bovia and as you know on the Collectors Corner we get to know the people

[00:00:51] behind the things we like to collect, we get to know those who assist us in our collecting

[00:00:58] and we also get to get into the behind the scenes of the things we like.

[00:01:03] So we have talked to licensees, manufacturers, we've talked to authors and we're going

[00:01:09] to add another name to that list today.

[00:01:14] Now all of these things are things as collectors we all enjoy and if there's one thing that

[00:01:20] all of us nerds collect it's information.

[00:01:24] We all fill our heads with story lines and cannon from our favorite TV shows and then

[00:01:29] we sit around sipping tronia asking each other obscure trivia.

[00:01:34] So behind the scenes is something that we all love to hear about and if you were to

[00:01:40] peek behind the curtain of The Divine Treasury, well you'd see me wearing a Picard again

[00:01:45] right now to keep warm in my basement office and my co-host probably searching for hidden

[00:01:51] treasures on the internet.

[00:01:54] So welcome one of PayPal's top consumers, Jamie Rogers.

[00:01:58] And Jamie has have you been good to PayPal lately?

[00:02:01] Oh I've been very good to PayPal.

[00:02:03] You saw some of the pictures I sent you earlier in the week of some of my recent acquisitions

[00:02:07] but I will say Mike I am super excited for this next conversation we're going to have.

[00:02:13] As you know I love documentaries and everything about them that I'm the person that loves

[00:02:21] the useless information that some other people don't like so I am super excited for our

[00:02:26] next guest and the things that we're going to talk about especially the behind the scenes

[00:02:30] of you know our favorite our favorite fandom here Star Trek.

[00:02:36] Yeah and as you mentioned you know we love the documentaries we love behind the scenes

[00:02:41] stuff and it's really since the advent of DVDs with extra storage when they were being

[00:02:47] put together that know those extra features and the documentaries contained within our

[00:02:53] favorite movies and TV shows.

[00:02:56] It started to become commonplace it wasn't with something that even the casual fan was

[00:03:03] able to get into and that's just increased in the streaming era now as we can have documentaries

[00:03:09] on demand.

[00:03:10] And one such is the upcoming docu series the center seat 55 years of Star Trek and here

[00:03:18] to discuss that in other parts of his career in film and television we have with us the founder

[00:03:24] and CEO of the Nacel Company and director of the center seed series Brian Volquice.

[00:03:31] So Brian how are you?

[00:03:34] I'm good thank you for having me on the show.

[00:03:37] As we mentioned we're excited about it so I mean just to get the ball rolling we look

[00:03:44] at your company name the Nacel Company.

[00:03:49] It's not really an obscure title but the casual fan I can't say would probably be naming

[00:03:58] their company something like that so how big of a Star Trek fan are you?

[00:04:02] You know I always I think I'm a 7.5 out of 10 like I'm not a 10 you know to my wife I'm

[00:04:14] a 12 but to you would you're a Picard again I am definitely not a 10 but yeah I mean

[00:04:23] I'm like I have a PhD in parts of Star Trek but I don't have like a third grade education

[00:04:34] and other parts of Star Trek and I feel like a 10 is like they know everything about Star

[00:04:43] Trek.

[00:04:44] I also don't do cosplay so I feel like that knocks me down a number so yeah I don't speak

[00:04:51] cling on like yeah so I think I'm like a comfortable 7.5.

[00:04:59] So what do you really into?

[00:05:01] Right like which is it so when you say you like some parts of Star Trek what's your wheelhouse

[00:05:06] that you're like I love that or I love that part or whatever.

[00:05:11] It's basically Star Trek 1 through all of next generation the series and then insurrection.

[00:05:23] So I would say that I have a PhD in like I can talk to talk I can walk the walk I like

[00:05:31] it would be hard to stump me.

[00:05:34] I feel like I have like a master's degree from a shitty college for deep space 9.

[00:05:43] I feel like I have a bachelor's degree from a okay college in Voyager master's degree

[00:05:52] from our real shitty college for enterprise.

[00:05:56] So I do have multiple PhDs in the 2009 reboot of that movie and then that's kind of where

[00:06:08] it ends.

[00:06:09] I didn't like the other 2 JJ movies though I will say this I am starting my latest Star

[00:06:15] Trek PhD program with lower decks.

[00:06:19] I love lower decks.

[00:06:23] I feel like you're talking to me specifically because like I love all the movies like

[00:06:28] I love the original movies and I love next generation.

[00:06:32] Like I can tell you every episode every day everything you know I've seen everything

[00:06:38] else but I'm not as fluent in them as you know like Mike is very good with some of

[00:06:44] the other series like I said I've seen them all I'm a completeist but not like next

[00:06:49] Jan I know this and so well it's like yeah I'm only good because I have like you mentioned

[00:06:55] Jamie I've got that recall for stuff that I really don't need in my head yeah and it just

[00:07:01] comes back especially when someone asks a question and it's a competition then I then

[00:07:08] it starts to come flowing out flowing out.

[00:07:12] So I'm going to opposite like the minute it counts and I'm in a real like betting or

[00:07:19] competition that's when I don't remember.

[00:07:24] So lower decks is absolutely incredible I mean yeah it is I mean we've talked about it extensively

[00:07:32] love that it's just just the concept the execution it's just it hits it on all fronts

[00:07:39] yeah by mine you know I agree with you 100% but I would also say like it's Star Trek yeah there's

[00:07:48] I know this is such a broad base way to put it but like to me Star Trek to a certain degree

[00:07:55] needs a it needs like a riddle of the week and like do you space nine did the best they could

[00:08:05] voyage or I think yeah whatever enterprise started with it lost it got it back and then that's

[00:08:14] my biggest problem with discovery and Picard is there's like no there's no mysteries there's no

[00:08:23] yet it's a book instead of chapters each week instead of a crisis and a solution by the end

[00:08:35] well even with Voyager too like you know I and I've said this numerous times I felt like

[00:08:41] they developed the story so well the first like 40 minutes and then they were rushing like the last

[00:08:46] like three or four to like come up with some sort of resolution to you know to solve the problem

[00:08:52] all the time yeah yeah to to your point like I said deep space nine so so it really invented

[00:09:00] serialization you know with with the concept in that show and by the way I mean deep space nine

[00:09:06] in my opinion just like next generation by the way was I mean almost unwatchable to first two years

[00:09:13] oh my goodness yeah but once the Dominion war starts it's some of the best trek ever oh yeah

[00:09:21] absolutely yeah so you mentioned uh bachelor's degrees master's degrees PhDs so I'm gonna

[00:09:32] I'm gonna put you on the spot here is it an associate from a community college that you have in

[00:09:38] animated series well it's funny not that there's anything wrong with a community college

[00:09:44] of course because if you would ask me to have before the center seat was greenlit I would have said

[00:09:52] like I haven't even been to nursery school thanks to the center seat I think I now have like a high

[00:10:01] school degree from a good high school like a great high school but I I didn't know anything about it

[00:10:08] until the show was greenlit yeah I was chatting with one of your guests the other day for the animated

[00:10:15] series Aaron Harvey he was like he was like you might see somebody that you know when you get to

[00:10:21] the animated series episode I said oh you don't say considering you literally wrote the book on

[00:10:26] it Aaron so you know one thing I did notice Brian too is you've got a tremendous history

[00:10:37] in the comedian comedy genre as well can you kind of talk about that some of your history with

[00:10:44] that how you got into that and some of your great experiences doing the comedy scene yeah it's funny

[00:10:50] I was at power con I guess a month ago and uh this guy came up to me and was like hey I love your work

[00:10:58] and you know really really nice guys saying all this nice stuff oh did he goes and I think he was

[00:11:05] serious like I don't even think he was kidding but he literally said to me he's like dude do you

[00:11:12] know there's another guy out there with the same name as you and all he does is stand up comedy

[00:11:18] specials like and the reason for that kind of and by the way that's not the first time that's happened

[00:11:25] um the reason for it is my career and the company's path for lack of a better expression

[00:11:35] can really be broken into two parts like an abc and an ad for us the dividing line is the toys

[00:11:43] that made us so after the toys that made us came out everything changed so the center's seat

[00:11:51] is directly related to toys that made us but toys that made us only got greenlit less than five

[00:11:59] years ago so you might be wondering well what have you been doing for the 19 years before toys that

[00:12:05] made us uh or 17 years I'm bad at math but then the answer is we're kind of a stand-up comedy

[00:12:13] production company like it's not all we did we usually had one or two other series in production

[00:12:20] every year uh sometimes zero but it we were really well known for stand-up comedy which is part

[00:12:27] of the reason it actually took seven years to sell the toys that made us because producers

[00:12:34] and directors but producers too we get typecast just like actors so whenever I was trying to sell

[00:12:42] toys that made us people would be like why the fuck is the guy with the stand-up comedy

[00:12:47] selling a show about toys so yeah I mean we've produced our 200th special this year about uh in

[00:12:55] May and I always assume there's some company in India that I'm not aware of so I always say North

[00:13:03] America but at least in North America we are the biggest producer stand-up comedy that exists

[00:13:10] and if I'm wrong about India then it's the world that's awesome so I mean that's that's an

[00:13:20] awesome beginning to the company and I mean as I was looking through stuff I mean you started off

[00:13:27] as a talent manager for the comedians and then got into the producing of the specials right

[00:13:31] that's right that's exactly right when you're a manager of comedians

[00:13:35] you know between zero and three times a year one of your clients sells a special to at the time

[00:13:42] comedy central or showtime or HBO and you know we always had equipment so we would make the

[00:13:51] specials ourselves and then one day I got a call from an agent asking me if I would produce

[00:13:56] the special for a non-climate client and I was extremely angry and extremely offended I basically

[00:14:04] hung up on them I was actually very rude which of course I'm embarrassed about and then the next day

[00:14:11] I'm in the shower and it suddenly occurred to me my job is to make money as long as it's legal

[00:14:18] who gives a fuck whose client it is so I called him back I apologized and luckily he accepted

[00:14:25] my apology and that changed the course of my career because I mean less than six months later

[00:14:33] we 90% of our specials were for non-climates which says a lot about our management business by the way

[00:14:40] I mean it looks like you almost kind of invented how to do it right no absolutely not I appreciate

[00:14:50] the compliment and I don't mean to shoot it down so aggressively but I hate when people take

[00:14:56] credit for shit they didn't do and I'm very mindful not to be like that what what what

[00:15:01] I can't take credit for is we we we took it up a lot of notches so like there were other people

[00:15:11] making sketch which called spec stand-up specials where they would finance them and then try and sell

[00:15:18] them after the fact we did not invent that what we did do is before us there were companies that

[00:15:26] would do one or two a year and by the way I can't even think of any that did two a year

[00:15:32] so within three years of that phone call asking me to work with a non-client who actually was

[00:15:39] Michael and Black we were doing 20 to 30 a year all of them self-financed so that is something

[00:15:49] nobody was doing and that I can take credit for but we were absolutely not the first people

[00:15:54] to be making spec stand-up oh that's incredible well I definitely you definitely worked with some

[00:16:02] great some great what was what was your best experience working with some of the different

[00:16:08] comedians and any ones that you really got to know well or I mean there's no best but there's

[00:16:13] like a lot of tide for best I mean Bill Barr is as awesome as you would think he is Tiffany

[00:16:22] had issues is awesome as you would think she is like let me tell you there's a bunch of comics

[00:16:27] that are not awesome at all so I just want to be fully true I'm scared to ask about any specific ones

[00:16:34] because I don't want to dash that book I probably will not write but that information is at least 20

[00:16:43] years away but yeah but again most of them are some degree of cool and the other thing that I

[00:16:51] have to say they all have in common any comedian that's making a living telling jokes on stage

[00:16:59] and they don't have a second job is some degree of a genius so you cannot do that for a living

[00:17:06] and not be a genius so that is something they all have in common nice I agree no I 100% agree

[00:17:13] that like I look at you know and hopefully you had a good experience with them but like Jim Gaffigan

[00:17:17] I think I mean that guy can constantly put out new material I mean yearly it's incredible

[00:17:26] we do shot his new Netflix special two weeks ago it's our seventh special in a row with him wow

[00:17:33] I have known him and he was a client at our company when I first got here so I've known Jim

[00:17:39] 21 years it still blows my mind like is though I've only been doing this for a week

[00:17:49] last two weeks ago we're sitting there manyapolis in the dressing room shooting the shit

[00:17:54] talking about his family talking about my family and it's all good

[00:17:59] and then one of us goes and sits behind a bunch of TV screens and the other one goes in front of

[00:18:04] 8,000 people and makes them laugh like an orchestra conductor like it still blows my mind that

[00:18:14] I'm like I was just sitting there talking about our kids and without even missing a beat you can go

[00:18:20] up in front of 8,000 people and make them laugh yeah incredible talent incredible talent

[00:18:26] so let's transition a little bit from from the comedy side of things you mentioned

[00:18:34] that the business kind of split directions once the toys that made us became a thing so what was

[00:18:41] what was the thought process behind starting the toys that made us I know you said it took like

[00:18:46] seven years for it to really get off the ground and greenlit well I mean the thought process was

[00:18:51] I mean from my point of view I mean it was pretty simple like I had become very good at finding out

[00:18:59] what the market wanted developing it and selling it to them and making money to keep the lights on

[00:19:07] and build my company but I wasn't really passionate about any of the shows we were making if

[00:19:13] I'm being fully on it transparent so it just I just wanted to do something I was excited about

[00:19:20] and I'm a big toy collector ironically with the what you guys do in your podcast I'm not at home

[00:19:26] but if I was at home I would be in a room with about 2800 toys and like I just always love toys

[00:19:36] so we developed the show it never made sense to me that it hadn't been done before

[00:19:42] about a grace of God directly connected by the way to the stand-up comedy because we had been

[00:19:47] a business with Netflix on the stand-up stuff starting in 2009 and I don't know anyone in

[00:19:54] business with them that early you know we it was just very lucky that somebody I knew at Netflix

[00:20:02] from the stand-up side was transitioned into the unscripted side and the reason why that's important

[00:20:10] is he had been to my house and seen my toy collection and because of that I was able to get

[00:20:16] around the problem of why is the guy who makes stand-up specials trying to sell show about toys

[00:20:23] that's that's awesome so obviously it took seven years to get it to get it going what were some of

[00:20:28] your your high points of making the show and or some of the pitfalls and the challenges throughout those

[00:20:36] seven years ago getting it going you know to be completely honest with you the only pitfall challenge

[00:20:42] was trying to sell it once it sold it was it was heaven it would there were no bad days there were

[00:20:50] no bad moments we got access to everything and everybody you know I guess if I'm to be honest now

[00:20:56] that I think about it I guess the only negative thing was we couldn't get the WWE on board so they

[00:21:03] wouldn't work with us so you know we did the best we could and I think we made a good episode but

[00:21:10] it would have been better like I really wanted Stephanie McMahon to do an interview and she wouldn't

[00:21:15] do it like that that would probably be the only thing of all the episodes that have come out so far

[00:21:22] everything was perfect and heaven other than the wrestling episode

[00:21:28] oh man that's too bad yeah and I know Jamie and I I mean we I think we've probably both watched

[00:21:36] all of the episodes even if it wasn't stuff that we collected as kids just because I mean

[00:21:42] it's it's you know for people our age it's now nostalgic to look back on the stuff that

[00:21:49] that was even around when you were a kid but I know myself personally I referenced

[00:21:55] the episodes quite a few times when we're putting the outline of this show together as to how

[00:22:01] we wanted to go about when we have collectors come on you know interviewing them about stuff

[00:22:06] you know I'd just say you know what do you have in your collection because you know someone like you

[00:22:11] you got 2800 pieces of toys you know how do you focus on on something special there but I

[00:22:21] thought that the way that each episode has been put together is just like what's the what's the

[00:22:27] term chef's kiss well if I happen the whole team I appreciate what you're saying thank you

[00:22:33] you know and in a big thing we're stealing our Pro

[00:22:37] well we did we did we did we did we did we did we did we do it that's for sure that is why I'm here today

[00:22:42] by the way um but no I you're very kind to say yeah you know it's something too that you know

[00:22:48] I love with doing this show and I felt like you guys did a hit hit the nail on the head with

[00:22:53] the toys I made it says you made it very personal like like some of the stories behind people

[00:22:59] getting some of their items and you know that that piece that's something that we've tried to

[00:23:04] bring into this show as well and like to me that's the highlight when you hear you know people say

[00:23:08] of what it took for them to acquire whatever it was or you know that the story or what it means

[00:23:13] to them personally um we you know we do it we do an award section which I'm going to do with you

[00:23:18] when we get to the end here um award section of what's it was some of your favorite things but

[00:23:24] hey I didn't approve that well you didn't you didn't stop me the last time so I'm just

[00:23:29] right that's right you're you're so true there um and so now let's transition even more we just

[00:23:37] talked about the toys that made us now coming into center seat what what was the thought process

[00:23:43] behind this because I'm telling you it is right up my alley like I'm like why has somebody not done

[00:23:48] this but until now um what was what was the the process of getting this going I mean it really was

[00:23:57] it's so funny you know you get to I've been in this business 23 years I'm 45 years old and

[00:24:04] you know it's it's just interesting it's like you fight and scramble so hard to get some success

[00:24:12] and then if you're lucky enough to get it like it things just kind of fall into place easier than

[00:24:21] they used to so honestly with center seat this is literally what happened I knew it was the 55th

[00:24:29] anniversary I'm already in business with history channel we did two shows with them last year

[00:24:36] uh why not I'm a huge trackie so I called my guy at history I pitched it to him over the phone

[00:24:46] verbally I didn't even pitch it to him I practically just sent him what I just said to you like

[00:24:51] it was that simple and he goes I love it great send me something so our development team put together a

[00:25:01] deck um actually I'm actually leaving out a pretty big step a part of the story I just realized by accident

[00:25:09] um we tried really really hard to do it for paramount plus uh we actually developed it with them

[00:25:17] and for them and then at the last minute uh for whatever reason they didn't want to move forward

[00:25:25] so I was like all right well I am a seller of tv shows so why wouldn't I try and sell it

[00:25:34] so I called my friends at history like I said I'm already in business with and we took the deck

[00:25:41] and made it different uh and then gave it to history and on the strength of the other shows

[00:25:50] we've done with them uh and toys that made us and movies that made us and all the other crap

[00:25:56] they greenlit it now one of the things that you've done for history in the past was you were an

[00:26:02] executive producer on the 50 years of Star Trek um documentary correct yes yeah okay so I mean

[00:26:13] how how was it really more of a behind-the-scenes thing that you were that you were working on that versus

[00:26:20] more hands-on with the with the center seat well the answer to that question goes back directly

[00:26:25] to that thing I said earlier you know about the BC AD of it all with toys that made us the 50th came

[00:26:33] out before toys that made us and history channel rightfully so like I'm not criticizing them at all

[00:26:41] if I were in charge of history channel five years ago I would have done the same thing we were on a

[00:26:45] very tight leash and stuff that people trust us to do now and don't question it they question it

[00:26:53] and they they made me take things out they made me do things that I wasn't I don't think we're

[00:26:59] the right thing to do but it was their decision and it was their right to do that and like I said

[00:27:05] we did not deserve the benefit of the doubt back then so when this got greenlit I kind of did

[00:27:15] what I wanted to do five years ago this time that's part of it the other by the way though some

[00:27:23] of that I got out during uh uh the toys that made us Star Trek episode uh like the whole opening

[00:27:31] thing with the little blue square yeah like the homage to Star Trek 3 by the way also giving

[00:27:38] some props to Lucille Ball who never got props like so we did that in the toys that made us

[00:27:45] Star Trek episode but that was the show about toys so I really couldn't do what I wanted again

[00:27:53] so now cut to 2020 when center seek got greenlit a they trusted me because the toys it made us and

[00:28:03] everything we've done since b i had 10 hours instead of two hours and c like we kind of knew what

[00:28:14] we were doing a little better than we did five years earlier but I got to have you seen the first episode

[00:28:22] uh no we have not so yeah has a premiered yet oh yeah but where we don't get we don't get special

[00:28:29] screener stuff so yeah next time next time just ask we'll send it to you okay like the first

[00:28:34] the first episode is um I mean it's literally what I wanted to do five years ago I mean it's

[00:28:41] since I was in high school if not junior high school one of the things that I noticed uh just

[00:28:47] interrupt myself but I think this is a better way to make the point like there's a very unusual

[00:28:56] difference between the books about the making of Star Trek and the documentaries

[00:29:05] about the making of Star Trek and the main difference is like honesty the books are extremely honest

[00:29:15] the documentaries for whatever reason I'll give an honorable mention though to Rod Rodenberry because

[00:29:21] his doc was extremely honest um but most docs really they just kind of shaved the corners and

[00:29:30] sand down the edges and stuff and there's no warts so we really tried very hard uh to do uh you know

[00:29:42] it's not a show only about the warts far furthest thing from it but we really show the whole story

[00:29:49] the way the books do and like the thing that the reason I brought this up is you know in the books

[00:29:57] it's extremely clear that without Lucille Ball there's no Star Trek most documentaries either

[00:30:05] don't mention her at all or they just mention like oh she was running Desi Lou right and then it goes

[00:30:12] back to Jean but if Jean is the father of Star Trek and I believe him to be that personally

[00:30:19] Lucille is absolutely the mother of Star Trek as a saying I heard a long time ago

[00:30:27] creativity without implementation is negligence and Jean was the creativity and Lucille was the

[00:30:36] implementation so Jean wouldn't have worked for free William Shatter wouldn't have worked for free

[00:30:44] the set wouldn't have been built for free NBC's license fee didn't cover the budget didn't come close

[00:30:50] to covering the budget Lucille Ball is the one who paid for the second pilot the majority of it

[00:30:57] so the first episode is called Lucy loves Star Trek that's awesome and that's so I'm just using that as

[00:31:05] a microcosm but it just it allowed us to tell the story I wanted to tell for better or worse I mean

[00:31:12] people may hate it I tell you that that's so great that you did that I mean and you bring up so many

[00:31:18] good points to like the 50-year admissions of books that I absolutely love and you know I like too

[00:31:24] that they talk a lot about Jean Alcoun I don't think Jean Alcoun gets a lot of credit enough credit

[00:31:29] sometimes for some of the things that he did you know everybody like you said always points to Jean

[00:31:34] Rodney and but some of these other people like like Lucy and you know they helped make this show

[00:31:43] you know they wouldn't have existed without them for sure yeah absolutely so I guess I guess I'm

[00:31:52] a little behind-and-stuff here then so the first episode is Lucy loves Trek so is it a chronological

[00:32:00] telling of chronological narrative rather yes it basically starts with Jean and Lucille turning on

[00:32:08] the lights and it ends with Rick Berman turning off the lights okay literally like the last

[00:32:17] scene of episode 10 is Berman talking about turning off the lights in the soundstage

[00:32:24] well that's awesome awesome awesome so you don't cover obviously you don't cover any of the

[00:32:30] new series at all it's pretty much right at the end of the Berman era as of now that's correct but

[00:32:36] we I mean we are in production now on more episodes so I mean we there there will be more episodes

[00:32:42] but as it relates to 2021 yeah it stops at the cancellation of Enterprise

[00:32:51] oh that's awesome look look for it around the 60th anniversary probably sooner though

[00:32:57] bite your tongue man bite your tongue yeah yeah yeah so I'm done is it

[00:33:03] so what's the what's the process in putting together like a documentary of this scope I mean

[00:33:11] you're pulling you're pulling stuff from previous shows you've got SD versus HD footage now

[00:33:20] which wasn't something that people had to condemn with in the past you trying to line up

[00:33:25] interviews I'm sorry to interrupt but I always say we still don't deal with that fucking thing no one

[00:33:30] gives a shit like yeah as you said earlier we're all collectors what we care about is information

[00:33:38] don't give us a fuck if we show a clip of Herc stealing the Enterprise from Star Trek

[00:33:45] which we're all used to watching on YouTube on our shitty phones uh-huh no one gives a shit if

[00:33:51] it's SD or HD what they care about is if we're lucky enough to get an interview with Kirstie Alley

[00:33:58] do we get the gossip out of her as to why she's not in Star Trek 3 oh that's awesome yeah

[00:34:05] that's our show so if somebody's out there looking for an HD remaster of something that's not us

[00:34:11] and that's cool if you're into it but that's not us but it's just something that we keep hearing

[00:34:17] time and time again especially in Star Trek I know okay and I literally sit there and by the way

[00:34:23] I love that deep space nine documentary and I really only had one complaint with it

[00:34:28] they spent too much time on a fucking HD bullshit like I fucking get it let's get some more scoop

[00:34:34] tell me more how some more dirt like yeah exactly

[00:34:40] exactly yep this is why I watch a documentary like I don't give a fuck if it's 12 pixels instead of

[00:34:51] well and I'll tell you something else too it made it very distracting in that that they had

[00:34:57] some pieces that were HD and somewhere SD and they were flopping back and forth on it's like

[00:35:03] one or the other you know it got a little bit strainer I like the dock I like it a lot yeah

[00:35:10] I mean I'd say it's like an AA- like it's a fantastic dock but I just find this obsession now with HD

[00:35:19] I saw the trailer for the Voyager thing and I don't know if you saw but at the end of the trailer

[00:35:23] they're like in great news we're doing it again we're getting to age like who cares get the

[00:35:31] information like make me cry make me laugh I don't need to see the gem hard are and fucking HK

[00:35:40] yeah I want to I want to know I want to know why Jennifer Lee and got canned I want to know what happened

[00:35:46] with Kate by the way we answered that we answered that here's what I want to know how did they get

[00:35:52] the fucking milkshit up the straw to the gem and all like you speak to my heart it's unbelievable

[00:36:05] it's really really unbelievable and I'll tell you I watched that trailer I've watched the trail

[00:36:10] multiple times and I'm like I am super excited because you know like I saw the cursed the alley on

[00:36:17] there and you know I can't wait to see some of the things so I don't know you don't obviously

[00:36:23] don't want to divulge well that's my favorite thing from the cursed the alley interview go for it

[00:36:29] it's my favorite interview and a whole thing just in terms of like mine being bone literally at one

[00:36:35] point she's like Brian you didn't find it a little weird I'm in an elevator in a bathrobe

[00:36:43] I'm like no you know I never thought it up before she's like in all your other billions of star

[00:36:49] tracked fans and viewing shit you ever seen anyone else walking around in a bathrobe

[00:36:55] so my curse I've seen that movie hundreds of times it never occurred to me yeah why the fuck are you

[00:37:01] wearing a bathrobe that's awesome I'll leave it at that I do want to leave some scoop for the show

[00:37:07] but it was that kind of stuff that I knew to ask because I am a trackie

[00:37:18] I like it I like it that is that is all well so my my question was going to be what was

[00:37:23] I know you can't I don't know I give too much information but what was your

[00:37:27] was she your best interview you think of the whole thing or what was your favorite

[00:37:31] you know I don't want to say moment but favorite thing you got to do making this documentary

[00:37:36] she was our best interview as it relates to what I like to call scoop because a lot of the people

[00:37:45] you interview for stuff like this people that have been talking about it for decades

[00:37:50] they I call it Teddy Ruck spinning they just tell the same stories over and over and over again

[00:37:58] some people do that because they don't remember anything else

[00:38:01] some people do that because they don't want to talk about anything confidential

[00:38:06] so it's very hard to get somebody to get out of that Teddy Ruck spin mode a b it is very hard

[00:38:16] especially with actors to get them to talk shit about problems they had while working

[00:38:23] because they're always worried rightfully so that they're never going to work again

[00:38:28] so what was great about Kirstie's interview was she didn't give fuck like she answered everything

[00:38:34] with ruthless honesty but then again so did F Murray Abraham I mean you should I mean we're literally

[00:38:42] interviewing him not only about the biggest star Trek bomb ever made but it's also one of his rare

[00:38:50] bombs he didn't give a fuck he was like just answering everything so brutally honest

[00:39:01] it was the funniest thing you've ever heard I mean it's literally practically I'm not exaggerating

[00:39:05] literally sometimes laughing so hard like I had to like compose myself to get to the next question

[00:39:13] so that brings a bit sick did you get Malcolm McDowell because I know he's no we try we didn't get him oh man

[00:39:21] I betcha cuz he would have a thing or two to say about his star Trek experience I'm sure oh man

[00:39:29] so so you're talking about like these great interviews like how how easy slash hard is it to get some

[00:39:37] of these people to come on and talk about you know especially we're living in an age now where

[00:39:46] these guys go to conventions well before COVID they'd be going to conventions four five six times

[00:39:52] a year to make some cash and they're telling these stories over and over again is it difficult to get

[00:39:59] them to come on for an interview and talk about some of this stuff and maybe get asked the convention

[00:40:05] route so it's never easy you asked you know is it easy or hard it's never easy it's always some degree of

[00:40:13] hard and it's really interesting man like you like we hire a casting director they usually work for

[00:40:23] six to eight weeks and then they're gone and then we're still trying to book interviews for literally

[00:40:30] another six months and it's it's the most random of random like by the way one thing I did do

[00:40:39] I'm pretty this was you know it ended up working out pretty well was asking Gates McFadden to be

[00:40:45] an executive producer because she got us Kate Moe girl she got us Brent Spiner she got us uh

[00:40:54] Berman without Gates we wouldn't have had any of those and other people too so I was kind of one way

[00:41:01] I quote unquote cheated a little bit but um dude it's it's it's so random I'll give you a great example

[00:41:10] we it's not Star Trek but in our aliens episode and movies that made us

[00:41:16] a friend of mine's college roommate is Sigourney Weaver's godsson

[00:41:29] his father died while we were shooting while we were shooting the show

[00:41:36] he goes back to the funeral Sigourney's there because Sigourney was tight

[00:41:43] with her godsson obviously he literally at his own father's funeral asks her to do movies that made us

[00:41:54] not only did she say yes she actually did the interview

[00:41:59] that's crazy but wait it's not over it's crazy

[00:42:03] so we do a three-hour interview most of these celebs start at that level start to tap out after an hour

[00:42:11] she went for three hours the interviews over I did it over zoom we had a crew in New York but

[00:42:19] I I was in LA we do it by zoom I say thank you Sigourney appreciate it she's like sitting there

[00:42:25] doing a cliche taking off her microphone you know while talking to me and she was like god

[00:42:32] that was so great Brian you asked such great questions I bet Gailan heard loved you

[00:42:38] I go I gotta admit I gotta tell you she actually hasn't she won't do it she goes what I go yeah

[00:42:44] she won't do it she's in Montana because of COVID Sigourney's like well can't you send a crew

[00:42:50] there like you did to me I go yeah of course we can she calls her in front of me while I'm on zoom

[00:42:59] and she's like hey why aren't you doing this show so she literally brow beats Gail in front of me

[00:43:05] I don't even know if Gail knows I was watching this on zoom

[00:43:10] Sigourney hangs up and then she goes who else don't you have that you want

[00:43:17] and I'm like the only other person to be honest with you it there were two people I'm not gonna

[00:43:21] say who one of them was but the other one was Carrie Hen who played new yeah she called Carrie

[00:43:27] at right there in front of me again and because Carrie has done any acting right since

[00:43:33] since that role right yeah she's like a yeah she's like normal person yeah so she calls Carrie

[00:43:40] again in front of me and left the voicemail saying hey it's Sigourney hope you're good

[00:43:46] you gotta do movies that made us Brian is the best interviewer Brian what's your cell phone number

[00:43:52] so I'm literally telling her through zoom my cell phone number

[00:43:56] and she says it to Carrie and then I shit you know at eight nine minutes later I guess who's calling

[00:44:03] that's awesome yeah so that's a great story to show but then that's a happy story a sad story

[00:44:10] we had rob zamek is robber zamek is booked for movies that made us and because the covid we lost them

[00:44:18] so sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't yeah covid's kind of sucked for some things but I mean

[00:44:26] hey it's it's helped for zoom zoom zoom is a much better platform now than it was before covid

[00:44:33] but I never heard of it before covid so I definitely agree oh yeah so you talked about gates

[00:44:39] uh being the executive being an executive producer on it helping to get you some some high level

[00:44:45] people but you're also using her as the narrator for the for the whole series so talk about the

[00:44:53] collaboration because I know she's also doing the investigates podcast for uh I can't remember

[00:45:01] what's the branch now of nacelle that that covers the podcast the cell cast the cell cast okay see

[00:45:07] the sea is capitalized like the sea and robocop okay that's a little joke for myself um but uh what do

[00:45:15] you call it yeah so we were doing her podcast the original deal we did for her with center seat was um

[00:45:24] it had no voiceover in it um as a director not only my least favorite thing to do as a director but

[00:45:32] I would actually argue the only thing I do not like doing as a director is picking who does the

[00:45:38] voiceover because nobody's always happy people are always upset it's amazing so I just kept procrastinating

[00:45:47] and I never procrastinate but I kept procrastinating and then finally it just hit me like

[00:45:55] gates would be great she's got a great voice she's beloved by the fans and she's respected and knows

[00:46:03] what she's doing so I called her up and she said call my agent but if you can work out a deal yes

[00:46:09] I'll absolutely do it that works that works out great too the charity had you know that prior

[00:46:16] relationship it works out well it's I mean again if you've looked at my comedy career you know

[00:46:22] the kind of people I'm friends with I'll get texts from some of those people these are some

[00:46:27] of the most famous people in the world making 20 30 million a movie I see their name on my phone

[00:46:34] I'm like oh cool my buddy blah blah blah I see Gates's name come on

[00:46:40] I'm like I can't I can't even believe this has happened and I've been working with her for a year

[00:46:45] and a half and it still hasn't gotten old that's awesome so I gotta ask this question

[00:46:53] since we do a collectibles podcast and we're all about the physical media is there gonna be a

[00:46:59] physical media release of this show yeah of this documentary yes there's gonna be a

[00:47:05] weird blue rice set that comes out next year oh that's phenomenal so we're gonna be putting

[00:47:11] some more art on his walls behind him oh yeah oh yeah I like that awesome awesome so um

[00:47:22] so you said you've been working with Gates now for the last year and a half it's a 10-part

[00:47:29] documentary series 10 hours worth of content how much physical time goes into producing 10

[00:47:38] hours of content I mean a year and a half okay we're still working on it right now finishing up

[00:47:47] the the last couple episodes oh well and you said beyond as well I'm not even talking about the

[00:47:52] next six episodes I'm I'm like we're still working on the 10 that you're gonna see I'm trying

[00:47:57] they're gonna come out wow yeah how much how much materially you think you had like like sheer

[00:48:03] volume of interview time to go through thousands and thousands of hours wow every interview is

[00:48:14] 90 minutes to five hours long oh my god interviewed conservatively 350 to 400 people

[00:48:23] and then we shoot tons of e-roll it's the kind of stuff I love though I mean the last thing you want is

[00:48:33] you get a limited amount of time with somebody and you've got points that you want to hit

[00:48:38] and instead of it being able to flow you're like rushing through trying to hit those points

[00:48:44] where instead you know if you've got like you said up to five hours worth of time to chat with these

[00:48:52] people it's more natural and they're gonna open up more typically when when you get that time well

[00:48:57] that's I mean that's a big part of the reason why I do that I mean when I interviewed Peter Laird

[00:49:02] for toys that made us you know it was four hours and 45 minutes into the interview when he said the

[00:49:12] thing that changed the entire episode when he mentioned that he still had the rights to make new

[00:49:19] turtles books we re we recut the entire episode based on that one comment we flew Eastman back

[00:49:27] to the East Coast to Mirage for the first time you know he hadn't been there in like 20 years

[00:49:35] but I do want to say again because he always gives me shit for this a conventions and it

[00:49:39] tries me insane I am not taking credit for introducing reintroducing them that had happened two years

[00:49:47] earlier I never took credit for that I'm not taking credit I am taking credit for getting them to

[00:49:54] make a new turtles comic book for the first time in a long time there you go he literally ships

[00:50:00] on me at conventions I mean if you think that Gates Tech story was weird like can you imagine

[00:50:07] somebody you've known about since you were eight years old you can go on YouTube and just see

[00:50:14] him lying about you and shitting all over you like like it's so weird I'm not even upset or offent

[00:50:21] I'm like what you co-invented the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles and you know my name and you're

[00:50:31] shitting on me in front of two thousand people for something I didn't do I love this business

[00:50:37] like what other business could that happen like that's literally practically like for me

[00:50:46] some engineer at Boeing like finds out that the Wright brothers are fucking with them on

[00:50:53] like some YouTube channel like obviously that couldn't happen but like for me being a turtle's geek

[00:51:01] and whatever like you know I'll get a text from someone I know who's at the convention

[00:51:06] be like kill what's up with you and Eastman I'm like I don't know

[00:51:13] I'm like I go I'm always like you don't even have to take my word for it look at the fucking episode

[00:51:19] they reunited them for the first time we don't say that anyway

[00:51:24] sorry this is that analogy's awesome though

[00:51:29] and not to be an asshole but I do have to jump in five minutes and I know you got some special

[00:51:36] questions yeah all right I want to hear these curve balls Jamie yeah that's really

[00:51:42] curve balls okay ring it on our regular episodes right we're talking about people in their

[00:51:47] collections we ask three questions called the awards section okay so our first award is the

[00:51:53] Kivas Fajr award so this would be the collectible in your collection that oh no I'm sorry

[00:52:00] the item that you're your white whale so to speak where if you could have it but you haven't found

[00:52:06] it yet what would that item be blix again blix is the most obscure star wars figure that actually

[00:52:16] oh yeah yeah yes now I remember oh okay so only only sold in Brazil for about six days

[00:52:26] nice nice so I'm assuming you have those the the job the different kind of jaw was and everything

[00:52:32] right your collection I mean I don't have the one with a plastic cape I mean partially because

[00:52:39] you know it's expensive but like the real reason is I don't want it like I don't care

[00:52:45] but I care about blix I want blix very bad that's awesome all right so number two number two

[00:52:53] award the grand-nagas award so this is the item that is the most expensive item in your collection

[00:53:00] the most monetary value that is I know what it is I'm reluctant to say it just just open up man like

[00:53:13] your your interview ease open up and your kristi alley it is a screen-used screen verified phased plasma

[00:53:21] rifle from Terminator 1 oh wow that's awesome that's awesome so who was using it was one of the character

[00:53:30] what from the future yeah it's the one that is a weird reverse scope on it but they use in the

[00:53:37] future oh that's incredible that's incredible how'd you get that thing choose the weirdest thing

[00:53:43] in the world like about 10 12 years ago when I first got a little bit of money I went to an auction

[00:53:52] and uh you know it's funny for years I was telling people when I first got a little money

[00:53:57] I got addicted to auctions and I had to quit it the same way I quit smoking like I spent so much

[00:54:04] money so quickly and I literally bought that at the first auction I ever went to now that it's 10

[00:54:11] or 12 years later looking back I kind of wish I hadn't stopped because I mean prices have gone

[00:54:18] bonkers yeah yeah so I mean I I paid less than 5% of what it's worth now that's incredible

[00:54:26] mmm incredible all right so the last award we called the rest of the can flu to award because you

[00:54:33] remember Captain Picard you know he was grasping that flute that meant so much to him what item in

[00:54:39] your collection holds the most sentimental value can I cheat into it's a tie for first place

[00:54:47] Kirsty you can do whatever you want all right um it's my original R2-D2 from when I was a kid

[00:54:57] and my original uh urinal constitution class refit um oh that's awesome yeah I mean the enterprise

[00:55:08] I hand painted the impulse drive the running lights the deflector dish like and by the way here's

[00:55:15] the lucky thing about living in Rhode Island you don't have to evacuate your house every year because

[00:55:21] of fires right so starting three years ago and it's been three years in a row now but three years

[00:55:28] ago I had to evacuate my house for the first time and for example I did not even think

[00:55:35] to take the Terminator Phase Plasma Rifle but I I add my R2-D2 which is worth I believe $4

[00:55:45] and I had my urinal enterprise which might be worth $2 so I can tell you from experience

[00:55:53] what are the two things that are the most important to me in the collection yeah that's awesome

[00:55:57] that's cool awesome awesome well the center seat will air on the history channel beginning

[00:56:02] Friday November 5th and airing weekly throughout the month with five additional episodes available

[00:56:08] on history vault thank you Brian for joining us on this episode where can people

[00:56:16] see all of your other stuff that you've been putting together um I mean it's all over you know we have

[00:56:22] a lot of shows on Netflix Amazon Disney Plus uh you know we do behind the attraction for Disney Plus

[00:56:30] my toy store near you on Amazon movies that made us on Netflix and it's down to earth or

[00:56:39] Zach Efron what I'm just looking around my office at the posters but yeah we're all over the place

[00:56:46] cool oh we appreciate yeah this was so much fun thank you yeah so it was really great guys thank you

[00:56:52] yeah and I look so forward to uh to every episode I'm gonna watch him eagerly and can't wait for

[00:56:58] that blu-ray box after that's what I was gonna say I'm looking I'm looking forward to it coming out

[00:57:02] on blu-ray you better put some good deleted scenes on there he will some good good behind the scene

[00:57:09] stuff all right all right we'll take care I know you got other uh commitments to get to so thank

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