019 - Carl Your Doorman

[00:00:00] Go, go, go, go! Welcome to Infinite Trek, where we cover everything Star Trek.

[00:00:40] From animated to live action, comics to novels, from games to real life tech.

[00:00:45] If it's Star Trek or even Star Trek adjacent, it's here.

[00:00:49] So get ready to talk about Trek

[00:00:51] no matter what your knowledge level is.

[00:00:52] Whether you've been watching since the 1960s

[00:00:55] or just discovered Star Trek 47 minutes ago,

[00:00:58] we welcome you. We welcome you.

[00:01:04] Good morning. Good afternoon, actually. Welcome to Infinite Trek. I am Aaron Harvey and I'm

[00:01:10] here with my lovely co-host, Brandy Jekola. And we cover all things Star Trek except right

[00:01:15] now discovery. Yes. Well, we have to cover a new Trek when it happens, dude. Yes. It's

[00:01:22] going to be talking things over. It's fine. This is how our show goes. We always have something that

[00:01:27] falls apart during or before the show. Right before the show. Yep. And both today. Yes.

[00:01:36] But I'm really excited that we get to dive back into the Terran universe today. So that's going to

[00:01:41] be kind of fun. Yeah. I had fun with our logo. Also, I'm like, yes, I enjoyed that.

[00:01:49] Uh, so, um, how are you, Brandy?

[00:01:52] Uh, I've been sick, but I'm feeling all right today. So that's good to be talking

[00:01:59] about Trek and feeling halfway human. So.

[00:02:03] That's always positive.

[00:02:05] Yeah. No, last week we were not on because I also had food poisoning.

[00:02:09] So because of my lower immune system, I have to remember I cannot eat leftover

[00:02:14] turkey quite as long as other people can.

[00:02:17] So yeah, that's what happened.

[00:02:20] We're pretty sure.

[00:02:21] Sorry.

[00:02:21] I'm so sorry.

[00:02:22] Yeah.

[00:02:23] Luckily it was minimal enough.

[00:02:24] I did not have to go to any sort of like emergency room or anything because that just

[00:02:27] would have been.

[00:02:28] I don't think I would probably still be there, unfortunately.

[00:02:34] So yes, before we start today, we do have a little bit of not news per se, but just like

[00:02:41] it's it's the holiday season.

[00:02:43] So you might want to give some Star Trek gifts and some cool things came out this week.

[00:02:48] Yes, they did.

[00:02:51] Well, the first one that I'm really excited about is the art of Star Trek Discovery book,

[00:02:57] which is by Paul M. Block and Terry J. Erdman, who actually follows our infinite track group on

[00:03:03] Facebook.

[00:03:06] Lovely. Yeah.

[00:03:09] And it is a beautiful book. It's like a coffee table book with just so much information.

[00:03:11] It's for season one and two.

[00:03:14] And it's by Titan, which also includes the other book that they put out this year

[00:03:17] that I still need to get, which is the art of Star Trek, the motion picture.

[00:03:21] Both of these are just, I, as an art, as a graphic designer and person who likes art.

[00:03:27] This is, if anybody'd like to get me that gift, it's a, like, I have not got it yet.

[00:03:32] Yes.

[00:03:34] Oh, and speaking of gifts, if you like, I'm wearing my, I put it on the different side.

[00:03:40] I've got my, my, my Taren pin from fansets from the comic book mirror universe.

[00:03:47] And if you would like to give gifts to your family and friends that are Star Trek pins or DC comics, there's old television programs that I didn't even think people would be interested in that they still making pins for.

[00:04:06] making pins for is a fan sets has a given us a discount code. So you can type in infinite trek, all one word, you know, get 15% off at checkout.

[00:04:11] And that's with if you want to get somebody a gift card, if you don't know what

[00:04:13] pin they'd want, which I know that my, well, my grandparents, when I was little,

[00:04:18] they would, you know, Star Wars action figures or something, they'd either get

[00:04:21] us all the same ones we'd already had or, you know, some other

[00:04:30] franchise that wasn't Star Wars. And now I wish that I had had those because the stuff that they would get would be like, let's get, you know, the Black Hole or Buck Rogers, which now would be

[00:04:35] worth a fortune because, yeah, so I still have somewhere I have a book Rogers figure. I have not grown a child yet. I know.

[00:04:45] It was well played with.

[00:04:48] So Gil Gerard's face has sort of been...

[00:04:50] That he really looked not much like Gil Gerard to begin with.

[00:04:55] I think they were not so great.

[00:04:56] That was Migo.

[00:04:57] They weren't fantastic with the likenesses.

[00:05:01] Yeah, but still.

[00:05:03] Yes.

[00:05:04] And if you like maybe... and you can do them like we talked about like you, you are, it's not in your wheelhouse and unfortunately me, it feels like my fine motor skills are not so fine anymore. So but anyway, there is Eagle Moss is

[00:05:25] putting out a gigantic two foot long enterprise 1701d. And it

[00:05:35] is done in, let's see, it's it's coming out March 2021. So

[00:05:39] you can I think you can just order it ahead of time. You will

[00:05:42] receive four kits every month of 1290 each.

[00:05:47] And there's a total of 120 kits,

[00:05:49] so it'll take you about 30 hours to finish this model.

[00:05:52] It comes in pieces and you get detailed instructions for each piece

[00:05:56] to connect it to the next piece.

[00:05:58] And it's also lit. It has like lighting and everything.

[00:06:02] So it's very cool.

[00:06:04] It just seems like it might also be relatively complicated.

[00:06:07] And expensive.

[00:06:10] Yeah, in the long run it's expensive,

[00:06:12] but it's two feet long and lit.

[00:06:14] Like if you look at the a comparable model

[00:06:16] that's been put together already,

[00:06:19] that's I'm assuming it's kind of in the same wheelhouse.

[00:06:24] Maybe. I'm assuming it's kind of in the same wheelhouse. Maybe.

[00:06:25] Maybe I'm not.

[00:06:26] I'm not up at all.

[00:06:27] Somebody did not do that really quickly.

[00:06:28] This is the thing.

[00:06:30] Yeah, it's been about 15 years since I've attempted models

[00:06:33] and it's not going to happen ever again.

[00:06:35] It's just not fun for me.

[00:06:38] It's stressful.

[00:06:38] Yeah, so about $1,400, $1,500 probably when it's finished.

[00:06:42] Yeah, no.

[00:06:44] Maybe I shouldn't have added all that up. $1,800, $1,500 probably when it's finished. Yeah, no.

[00:06:45] Maybe I shouldn't have added all that.

[00:06:48] If it's that much, that thing should be like eight feet long.

[00:06:55] But over time, I can't stretch it out at least.

[00:06:57] So I think comparable price models,

[00:07:03] if you go to like Comic-Cons or something like that, when they have those in the glass cases, QMEX and stuff like that.

[00:07:09] They had, it was like a $10,000 discovery the first year it came out or something insane like that.

[00:07:14] That better had been super detailed.

[00:07:17] Yeah, it was super detailed, but I still don't think it was that that was for my taste, yeah. But yeah, so that, so if you're looking to pick that,

[00:07:26] you could also, I can plug my own book this time,

[00:07:30] you can pick up the, oh, it's not up there.

[00:07:32] Oh, no!

[00:07:35] The Star Trek, the official guide to the animated series,

[00:07:40] which you can find on Amazon.

[00:07:41] And it's been in some of the kind of like Black Friday holiday

[00:07:46] discount packages where they've been, oh, hey, someone has it. There it is. I'm really,

[00:07:53] really proud of that cover just because it has this really cool raised kind of center

[00:07:58] part to it and it's good glossy. Because they asked us, hey, would you like to do that? And we're like, yes. Like, why I didn't know that was an option for sure.

[00:08:06] So we have Brandy doing her best, Vanne White.

[00:08:12] Or what is it?

[00:08:14] The women on the right.

[00:08:14] Right, right, right.

[00:08:15] Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:19] It's a lovely page of Ben, which was short for Bug-eyed Monster,

[00:08:24] which is what Jane Brownberry said he would never have in his shows, which I short for Bug-eyed Monster, which is what

[00:08:25] Raunberry said he would never have in his shows, which I thought

[00:08:28] was great that David Gerald got that snuck in there.

[00:08:31] So get it.

[00:08:34] Even the back is fun.

[00:08:38] Yeah, they're taking the like it's that was made after the fact

[00:08:43] like in 75 or six or something

[00:08:45] like that with some cells that they sold but it's Spock taking a picture of the

[00:08:50] entire crew which is just kind of hilarious. Yeah I'll put it closer up so

[00:08:53] people can see it see there that's adorable because of course you wouldn't

[00:08:58] want to be in the picture. No of course not it's smog. Yes. So cool. Well, thank you for showing that.

[00:09:07] I had it literally right behind me in the little entertainment case right behind me.

[00:09:14] So if you're watching the video version, normally I have it like behind my shoulder,

[00:09:19] but I looked at the other day and because it's been sitting up at that angle,

[00:09:23] the pages are started to like bend a little bit. So I flattened it down and I'm going to put some weight on top of it.

[00:09:29] Yeah, mine has been.

[00:09:31] copies as you would think that we would have.

[00:09:34] Yeah, I get that. They think, I think people think that when you write a book that you just get

[00:09:39] a ton of copies and that's not the case.

[00:09:43] I have 10 to get 10 to begin with. And that's it. So and I sold a couple of those.

[00:09:47] So yeah, if you want to, that's the other thing. If you, I don't know, I'm assuming

[00:09:51] that this is fairly similar to other authors and what they go through, but you get a discount

[00:09:59] on buying your own book. So if you want to sell it, you can do that, but you still have

[00:10:03] to buy the books to begin with. So if you over buy, then you're stuck with a lot of your own books. And if you

[00:10:10] under buy, then it's, you might as well just buy them at the store at that point. So yeah. But yeah,

[00:10:18] that's trading. David Mont says, Brandy is Vanna Whiting.

[00:10:24] David Montz says, Brandy is Vanuwaiting.

[00:10:26] It's a verb now.

[00:10:31] Oh, there's a model with briefcase. Yeah, that's, I'm all of those things and more.

[00:10:35] Is there a woman on a television show

[00:10:38] presenting something?

[00:10:39] That's me.

[00:10:40] I can do all of that.

[00:10:42] Present your sweater, by the way.

[00:10:44] Oh, it's actually not quite a sweater,

[00:10:46] but it's got a sweater pattern.

[00:10:48] So I got to live long and prosper.

[00:10:54] We'll print Spock up in there.

[00:10:56] Nice.

[00:10:57] So because you know that's an appropriate message,

[00:11:00] no matter what the holiday.

[00:11:01] It is, especially this year.

[00:11:04] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:09] Now we've crashed back to reality.

[00:11:12] OK, I'm back.

[00:11:14] I'm back.

[00:11:14] Sorry.

[00:11:15] Just took that detour down COVID lane for a minute.

[00:11:19] It happens.

[00:11:22] If you want kind of a funny cathartic song, which I will not sell out on the air

[00:11:26] because it has some dirty words in it. When the Avalon on YouTube has a song that is about

[00:11:33] 2020. So if you look up Whitney Avalon 2020, you will find a very funny Christmas song

[00:11:37] that there's a bar is like, your single friends, they're still single because you can't go meet anybody at this point

[00:11:46] So yes, but we are here today to talk about Terra Ferma

[00:11:51] Which when they were shouting that to me felt very like football team for some reason

[00:11:57] As sort of you know ominous as it did the first time around I don't make because we've never heard Terra Ferma before right?

[00:12:03] I don't think I said that.

[00:12:05] I don't think we've heard that before. I took it more as a bunch of Nazis shouting

[00:12:09] Zig Heil over and over. That's what I thought.

[00:12:13] No, I did too. I mean, that's there. But just, I don't know, the delivery just felt like

[00:12:18] they're shouting.

[00:12:19] We're just excited.

[00:12:20] Yeah. Well, they were, I guess, because...

[00:12:23] That's awesome.

[00:12:24] Woo! Because we should start from the beginning.

[00:12:26] If we want to like go through some of the,

[00:12:28] there's basically three episodes in this episode.

[00:12:31] It feels like.

[00:12:32] Yeah, there's a lot.

[00:12:34] Yeah, but not in the bad way.

[00:12:36] That's what I think what's interesting is there are some shows that where they try and cram everything in.

[00:12:41] And yet they still feels like there's extraneous stuff.

[00:12:43] You're like, why is this here?

[00:12:44] But all of it felt like there was a very good conservation of dialogue. Everything mattered.

[00:12:51] It was there was nothing extra. And I know some people were like irritated with,

[00:12:56] we'll get to that part, the Carl character sort of dragging things out. But you do that because

[00:13:02] that's it's suspense. I mean, that's kind of the point.

[00:13:05] I love Carl. Yes. Carl's awesome.

[00:13:10] Perhaps you should have learned more about doors before you came down.

[00:13:19] Oh, Carl.

[00:13:21] So I guess we should say already at this point, it is definitely spoiler city here.

[00:13:27] Yep.

[00:13:28] We say that every week, but I think I probably need to reaffirm that.

[00:13:33] Although by now, I think most people who have seen the episode are going to see it.

[00:13:37] Yes.

[00:13:38] Canada already had their showing last night, which is why you moved to the ready room, which will be on at 6 p.m. today on her Tratz network to 6 o'clock on Saturday because it used to be running exactly the same

[00:13:52] time that the show was airing in Canada, which doesn't even get a good even day. No. He needs to

[00:13:59] see it too. Yeah, well, and the thing is, is that he wouldn't have had time to process anything.

[00:14:04] If we had kept it on Friday night, but done it later, he wouldn't have had time to process

[00:14:08] anything. That's not fair. He needs the chance to ruminate about it, to let the juices sink in,

[00:14:15] you know. If you're not familiar with kind of like the review cycle of somebody who does

[00:14:22] content for Star Trek, we watch it once and kind of that initial, whatever comes flying at you.

[00:14:29] And for me, it's a lot of like pausing things in the middle of sentences where

[00:14:33] people would tell me if they were watching it with me, you know, to see certain

[00:14:36] things. And then you go back and then I watch it again without, with, with subtitles

[00:14:40] on, and then just watch it and just like absorb everything again.

[00:14:44] And then kind of do a third viewing to get any

[00:14:47] bits and pieces with

[00:14:50] Lower decks. I watched them multiple times. I think because just they were just fun on top of it

[00:14:56] But for me, it's like three times and I think that's where it's like, okay, I

[00:15:00] Get my my overall idea of what I'm going to think about this episode. Because if you watch an episode once, if you're in a bad mood or you've had a long day or something,

[00:15:08] that can totally color what you think about a show.

[00:15:11] Yes.

[00:15:12] So.

[00:15:13] And I know when I've had that conversation, there's like one thing.

[00:15:16] It's like, maybe just give it a while.

[00:15:19] Just let it sit for a minute.

[00:15:20] You know, it's like, okay, fine.

[00:15:22] And then yeah, all right.

[00:15:23] I see what you're talking about.

[00:15:24] I'm endlessly diplomatic.

[00:15:30] Yes.

[00:15:31] To a fault.

[00:15:32] Yes.

[00:15:33] I know.

[00:15:33] I know many people.

[00:15:37] I know there's been times where it's just like, and also between us, we both have

[00:15:41] screeners.

[00:15:41] We get to we get the honor of being able to see them

[00:15:45] ahead of time, which helps us to prep,

[00:15:49] that I often will not watch them before,

[00:15:52] or at least the next episode until after I do this show,

[00:15:56] because I don't wanna be like,

[00:15:59] I still wanna be able to guess,

[00:16:00] and like if there's a mystery or something,

[00:16:02] I wanna be able to do it.

[00:16:03] But Brandy will watch it. And you have the patience and like if there's a mystery or something I want to be able to do it. But Brandy will watch it and you have the patience and like of a saint and the ability like I

[00:16:09] don't think I could just be like I don't know we'll see what happens. I would just be like

[00:16:14] I'm a ghost sitting on my hands like you know Carl is yeah.

[00:16:20] Yeah well I've not I've not always had a lot of patients. And I have been through a lot of experiences in my life that have tested my

[00:16:27] patients because it was a place in which I was lacking.

[00:16:31] So now, now I'm just like chill.

[00:16:35] I'm just all kinds of good.

[00:16:37] And I, I honestly, if I, if I have seen the next episode and I have spoilers in

[00:16:43] my brain, I come at it

[00:16:45] from the viewpoints that I put forth before I knew the answers, which in the case of what

[00:16:53] the future holds, a Star Trek Discovery podcast on Hall of Sweet Media dot com.

[00:16:58] We recorded that on Thursday night and I didn't get the screener until Friday.

[00:17:03] So at the time of that recording, I had no knowledge

[00:17:07] of how everything was going to turn out and actually no clue how everything was going to turn out.

[00:17:12] And so I'm coming at everything from that point of view for this episode.

[00:17:17] That's cool. That works well.

[00:17:21] Oh, before I forget, the one of the pins that I'm not wearing, I, we created this for the improvised generation, which will be coming out at two o'clock right after our show.

[00:17:32] It's their season finale, I believe. So this was our own, they look a little oversized, but when you're trying to make stuff for stage, you want it to be bigger.

[00:17:41] Yeah.

[00:17:42] Now it seems a little, when you're watching on screen, you're like, Oh, those are really big bad.

[00:17:49] Like, yeah, I mean, if you, they're not bad.

[00:17:52] Yeah, that's fine. Yeah. I like the fact that it looks like you

[00:17:55] could just take this pin off and actually stab somebody.

[00:17:59] Yeah, well, I mean, the deltas on the original series

[00:18:01] uniformers are really big comparatively. Yeah.

[00:18:05] So you're totally good.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:07] And the animated series one's looking in the larger.

[00:18:09] I'm thinking of three-fourths of a shirt, okay.

[00:18:15] Yeah we had a lot of fun with that.

[00:18:16] And because there's magnets on the back and they, when the improvised generation goes into

[00:18:22] their mirror universe, they have like a sash across.

[00:18:32] And I explained how to put them on, they put the pin on top of the sash and then the magnet underneath. So it was like the sash is sort of satiny and everything just started moving around.

[00:18:37] And it turned out that all the people from the prime universe, the badge didn't stick to them.

[00:18:42] So they incorporated that because that's what people do in improv

[00:18:45] We'll just take things that go wrong is that their quantum signature was rejecting the badge

[00:18:53] Well done

[00:18:56] Like this holding it like

[00:19:02] Oh

[00:19:03] What is the the Vulcan character? Oh my gosh, why can I remember his name? Anyway,

[00:19:09] Chewlock. His was upside down like this, which meant that he was like in charge. So that was

[00:19:17] great. At 2 o'clock, check out the improvised generation for I believe the last time this season. And you can go back and watch previous episodes on YouTube and on Twitch.

[00:19:30] So right.

[00:19:31] Yeah.

[00:19:31] commercial.

[00:19:33] Nice.

[00:19:34] So yes.

[00:19:35] So back to discovery.

[00:19:36] So we start out the episode with Kovich, who is played by Dave Cronenberg,

[00:19:43] explaining to Culber what is going on with Shorjo.

[00:19:49] Yeah.

[00:19:50] And we see a holographic Beetlejuzian,

[00:19:54] which actually I remember that was like,

[00:19:56] he's one of the speaking of the motion picture.

[00:19:58] He's one of the background characters

[00:20:00] and also Cosmo from the first episode.

[00:20:04] Uh-huh. Uh huh.

[00:20:05] That species.

[00:20:11] Uh, and he is a time traveler from this other universe that was created by an incursion of a Romulan mining vessel, which means he's from the Kelvin

[00:20:16] universe, which also means people discovery is not the Kelvin universe.

[00:20:22] Ta-da!

[00:20:23] Real.

[00:20:24] Yeah, exactly. Um, and I love that, you know, what, in the pre, not the Kelvin universe. Ta-da! Real with it.

[00:20:25] Yeah, exactly.

[00:20:27] And I love that, you know, if you were kind of paying attention

[00:20:31] to some of the preview images and stuff,

[00:20:33] he had like a Voyager style badge instead of the T&G badge.

[00:20:38] And I thought they were kind of doing that on purpose

[00:20:39] to show parallel universe like it wasn't exactly matching up,

[00:20:43] which I would have been fine with.

[00:20:44] But I think they wanted to make it a bit more consistent and so it had the TNG style badge.

[00:20:52] And the name is your, which is interesting. I'm wondering if it's like a subtle nod to

[00:20:56] your hunter from the future, the 1983 kind of B movie.

[00:21:01] Hmm, interesting.

[00:21:03] Got time travel in it. So, you. So it could be a very nerdy. I wouldn't put it

[00:21:10] past them. I would not put it past them. I have to admit the first time I watched this episode,

[00:21:15] that reference got by me and the Kelvin universe reference got by me. And the second time I watched

[00:21:21] it was when it was out and with subtitles and when we got to that

[00:21:25] point I just like lost my stuff and I'm like Dave do you understand what just happened Dave?

[00:21:34] I understood the first time. No no he had no idea what I was talking about and I'm like no dude

[00:21:40] he they reversed the Kelvin time like I did. Oh that's like every if I try to talk to my roommate about any

[00:21:46] of it.

[00:21:46] Oh, yeah, that's nice.

[00:21:47] And you're like, no, it's not this nice.

[00:21:48] It's like, no, no, no.

[00:21:50] Once he understood, it was just like, he, yeah.

[00:21:53] Yeah.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:54] Yeah.

[00:21:55] Yeah.

[00:21:55] It was funny.

[00:21:57] I was just losing my mind all over the place.

[00:21:59] It was funny.

[00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:00] That's great.

[00:22:02] And then we so we find out that the reason that Georgiou is like looks like she's

[00:22:07] having fractal glitching or something like that like her computer hasn't rendered her quite properly is that

[00:22:15] our molecules are made to

[00:22:18] exist in the time that they were born in basically and

[00:22:22] Time travel doesn't seem to mess it up so much,

[00:22:25] but if you're also from another universe,

[00:22:27] well, then you're screwed.

[00:22:30] Yeah.

[00:22:31] And it would be a very painful death.

[00:22:33] Well, and this is, there has actually been a precedent

[00:22:36] set for this, not within the Trek universe,

[00:22:38] but within the movie Spider-Man,

[00:22:40] into the Spider-Verse,

[00:22:41] because the first time,

[00:22:44] yeah, the first time that we see Peter B Parker interacting with Miles Morales

[00:22:49] and he's basically abandoning Miles and he goes to leave and he glitches out and Miles says,

[00:22:57] what's going on with your body? He says, I don't think my arms to two jazzed about being in the wrong universe. Wrong dimension.

[00:23:06] So yeah.

[00:23:11] And if you, at least for us, like time travel, and I don't know if this is so much dimension, but when in Voyager, seven of nine was sort of duplicated a couple

[00:23:17] of times over, I traveled back over and she died.

[00:23:20] So I think there's some sort of precedence in Star Trek, even though it's like

[00:23:25] there's an indication that time travel and universe hopping probably isn't the most healthy thing for you.

[00:23:31] Very, very true. And I think it also kind of establishes that time periods in alternate the same, like what might be happening in the year 3381 or whatever is not 3381 in some

[00:23:50] other universe at the same time. Yes. As we perceive time. Right. There was a show on

[00:23:57] CBS in the 80s called Other World, which was about this family who went to like their dad

[00:24:04] with their father was a

[00:24:06] An archaeologist and so they were in Egypt and they were about ready to go back to LA

[00:24:10] And he's like well before we go I want to like take a tour of the pyramids which I like how why do they not already do that?

[00:24:16] So they hire this guy to take them there and the guy is just like now give me all this money

[00:24:22] And they're like I'm gonna give you money now

[00:24:23] Which is funny because I've seen that scam happen

[00:24:26] in other actual things in Wisconsin, which was really

[00:24:30] hilarious.

[00:24:32] And so he's like, fine, I'm just leaving you here.

[00:24:35] And he goes, basically, you're going to go away now.

[00:24:39] And they're like, what?

[00:24:41] And they fall into this other universe.

[00:24:42] So there's a portal between the great pyramids

[00:24:46] and this other world.

[00:24:48] And it's a world that's kind of like ours, but not really.

[00:24:51] It's authoritarian.

[00:24:52] The world is divided into like 13 provinces.

[00:24:55] And it was kind of interesting.

[00:24:57] It was every province that they could,

[00:24:59] it's almost like a sliders or every place that they go

[00:25:03] is slightly different.

[00:25:04] This one province is controlled only by women.

[00:25:07] One is they're all robots.

[00:25:09] When, you know, so it's that one is where music is not allowed and they invent rock

[00:25:12] and roll.

[00:25:14] So yeah,

[00:25:17] there was the Beatles, like all these different songs like, Oh, and the theme

[00:25:20] song with Beverly Hillbillies.

[00:25:23] That's hilarious.

[00:25:24] Oh, Lord, I know all of the words to that.

[00:25:26] That's the worst.

[00:25:29] So they, and the very second to last episode,

[00:25:33] and I think the last episode, unfortunately never aired,

[00:25:36] was they end up in a place where this,

[00:25:40] their daughter looks very much like this princess

[00:25:42] that was there 300 years ago.

[00:25:44] And it turns out that woman was, the princess was from the 1960s.

[00:25:48] So time isn't working exactly the same way.

[00:25:50] They said it's like kind of like two independent wheels spinning and every

[00:25:54] once in a while they touch.

[00:25:55] And so that's kind of what in what I see in my head when you're talking about that.

[00:26:01] Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense.

[00:26:02] I like that.

[00:26:03] So that was kind of cool.

[00:26:04] And I really like I have to start my own other world podcast or work for myself.

[00:26:11] I think I'm kind of fun.

[00:26:13] Maybe shows that, you know, one hit wonder kind of things like one season shows.

[00:26:17] Yeah, cause there were some actually really good ones out there that deserved to go on

[00:26:22] and didn't.

[00:26:23] So and some bad ones equally fun to talk

[00:26:26] now. Exactly. An auto man. It's bad, but it's great. It's the same. And if you like Stargate,

[00:26:36] because we kind of mentioned that earlier, if you go look up Hulogram, which is a company that does special effects, did a like five minute commercial

[00:26:47] movie. And it's David Hewlett from Stargate Atlantis and Stargate basically playing a

[00:26:55] hologram that is it's all a parody of that. And he's like, you know, we're gonna fight

[00:26:59] crime because I'm an animator because the guy he's just animating, he's just like,

[00:27:04] we can have a theme song. He's like, what's happening?

[00:27:07] And this is like, and as you'll say, he says that suddenly it just goes into the intro and they do

[00:27:11] an entire like 1980s thing. And they're showing off all their special effects and what they can

[00:27:15] do and stuff. So it was very good. And at the very end, the real auto man shows up.

[00:27:21] Yeah. So you low gram on YouTube. we're sending people off to YouTube a lot.

[00:27:27] So, I'm so looking for that. I'm so hilarious. Yeah. And that, that actually, and this is

[00:27:34] way off tangent, but it got me, uh, I found out that David Hewlett is a huge nerd. He

[00:27:39] has 3D printers and all this stuff. And he's on Twitch, like every day. So I've been like,

[00:27:44] just hanging out talking with him and stuff. It's just on Twitch like every day. So I've been like,

[00:27:45] just hanging out talking with him and stuff.

[00:27:46] It's just been like, oh my God,

[00:27:47] just like my nerdy neighbor or something like that.

[00:27:50] It's a lot of fun.

[00:27:52] Love it.

[00:27:53] Yeah.

[00:27:54] Love it.

[00:27:54] Love him too.

[00:27:55] Absolutely.

[00:27:57] He's the kind of,

[00:27:58] it's like some of the discovery actors and stuff.

[00:28:00] We're just happy to integrate,

[00:28:02] engage with the fans and they just love what they're doing. And they actually love the genre that they're in as opposed to it's a job.

[00:28:11] Yeah. So anyway, back on track.

[00:28:18] Basically, Kovich says, there's no cure and this fear date is like, excuse me.

[00:28:22] There's no cure and this fear date is like, excuse me.

[00:28:27] I just love it. Yeah.

[00:28:29] All right.

[00:28:32] There is a path to us.

[00:28:35] Yeah.

[00:28:40] Yeah. And then so they they are off to this planet. It's basically

[00:28:42] Jojo and Burnham.

[00:28:46] And in the meantime, because they were going to

[00:28:53] let's see how it phrases, they basically were told another one of those, sorry, you can't do it again. It was almost headed towards that because the, the Emerald Chain, which is the Andorian Orion

[00:29:00] syndicate basically, I was going to start doing training exercises and so they need to have the ship there and I don't know if this is part

[00:29:07] of the other, the feeling that maybe the Federation

[00:29:11] isn't quite what it seems to be, but they felt very much like,

[00:29:14] okay sure, yeah, you go do that, we're fine.

[00:29:18] It felt a little, Vance felt like he dismissed it

[00:29:21] really quickly.

[00:29:23] Yeah, I didn't feel that way. Okay.

[00:29:25] I think Vance was acting out of personal experience because after the meeting is

[00:29:30] over and, uh, Saru is going to leave.

[00:29:34] He says, no, a word.

[00:29:35] And he tells him that he's made a lot of bad calls in his time.

[00:29:43] And he says, if you leave a crewman to drown,

[00:29:47] you are not going to look at yourself the same way

[00:29:50] and your crew is not gonna look at you the same way.

[00:29:52] So that is something he has been through.

[00:29:56] And I think that he didn't want that to happen

[00:30:02] to discovery because he needs them.

[00:30:04] So I think that it was partially that to happen to Discovery because he needs them.

[00:30:05] So I think that it was partially about it was really okay, they can handle the syndicate,

[00:30:15] but it was also about don't walk the path that I walked.

[00:30:20] Let me keep you from making a huge mistake.

[00:30:23] Yeah.

[00:30:24] And related to Saru, I heard a couple comments.

[00:30:28] I heard I read a couple comments of in tweets and Facebook posts of people are like,

[00:30:34] when is Saru going to like stop asking permission and just be a captain?

[00:30:39] And I was like, I kind of thought about that.

[00:30:40] It was just like because he doesn't seem to be like making decisions.

[00:30:43] He makes a decision then asks the admiral, which is really the chain of command, which

[00:30:47] you would actually do.

[00:30:49] But I given the fact that until very recently, he was basically operating from a place of

[00:30:56] fear.

[00:30:57] And is he going to die?

[00:30:59] Because you know, the gangly, the threat ganglia and everything, all of his decisions

[00:31:03] were made from a just a point of being afraid of what might happen.

[00:31:08] And the fact that he's gone this far or come this far,

[00:31:12] like I don't even know if he could have been a captain

[00:31:15] in his old life.

[00:31:16] I feel like he'd always had to have been paired

[00:31:18] with somebody who had balanced out his,

[00:31:21] well maybe that could have been his first officer

[00:31:22] that could have done that.

[00:31:24] But I think the fact that he is where he is now is kind of remarkable. Ballon out his well, maybe that could have been his first officer that could have done that but

[00:31:28] I think the fact that he is where he is now is kind of remarkable

[00:31:32] So I feel like he's actually had a character growth as opposed to

[00:31:38] He's not moving fast enough or or this isn't the way other captains. No, it's not the way other captains captain

[00:31:40] Which is kind of refreshing in some ways

[00:31:46] Yeah, well, sir. So rue's an entity into himself into himself. He's a race that we have never seen before discovery. So we are discovering things about his race as, you know, as a group,

[00:31:53] as viewers. And at the same time, though, they are directly working with the Federation

[00:32:00] and Starfleet, like intimately. So it's not like being any crew. Exactly. It's not like, you know, enterprise off on

[00:32:09] its five year mission where they sometimes deal with Starfleet

[00:32:12] command and whatnot. No, this is Starfleet command is up in

[00:32:16] their grill all the time. So it's not like he can go off.

[00:32:19] Yeah, it's like, it's not like he can just go off and do what

[00:32:24] he wants. It has nothing to do with that

[00:32:26] He is taking his orders from an admiral, which is what Kat does do

[00:32:32] It's interesting because it does feel much more

[00:32:35] Insular and very like you know they even though they are going to all these different points of the galaxy up until now

[00:32:42] Starfleet itself has been very kind of like, you know,

[00:32:45] just around the neighborhood basically, it kind of feels like. So it's, it's, yeah,

[00:32:49] I think it's interesting. Oh, and why we're sticking with Saru, we're gonna talk about

[00:32:53] the, the signal from the nebula, which we had all been speculating. Even you and I had

[00:33:01] kind of thought that it, if there was a way that they're going to tie Calypso in that maybe it's like an alternate version of discovery

[00:33:08] is inside this nebula because it was parked inside of a nebula in Calypso.

[00:33:12] I mean, maybe it's still in there.

[00:33:14] Who knows?

[00:33:16] And we discover, you know, the signal that was the last episode, right?

[00:33:19] That they found that there was a signal.

[00:33:21] So a deer has been working on it and then she pulls it up and he gets damaged like, are they, sorry, they pull it. It changed from last episode. They pulled it up

[00:33:32] and Stamets is like, okay, we need to talk to the captain. And so they both go up there and

[00:33:41] it turns out that it is a kelpian ship that has been broadcasting this message.

[00:33:45] And the actress who's playing the kelpian scientist

[00:33:48] is actually played by the actress who played Saru's sister.

[00:33:53] And I'm wondering if some of his reaction is,

[00:33:54] are we supposed to know that?

[00:33:56] And he's like, wow, this person looks really familiar.

[00:33:58] Or is it just, oh, it's another kelpian?

[00:34:01] I don't know.

[00:34:02] This may be very specifically done casting. It's possible maybe it's progeny

[00:34:12] of Serana. And that's why, and he sees a resemblance.

[00:34:18] Well, maybe this got the radiation on her forehead, which didn't look like her spots or part of her actual.

[00:34:28] Yeah, I wasn't thinking about it at first, but when I looked at it again, I'm like, yeah,

[00:34:32] those are lesions. Oh, are they? Oh, okay. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, that's it unless there's,

[00:34:39] you know, basically all female kelpians look the same, which I don't think that they're really

[00:34:44] gonna do that. So I feel like there must be a specific reason, unless it's just

[00:34:48] that Star Trek casting where they pull in an actress or actor who has played the same

[00:34:53] thing. Mitchell.

[00:34:54] Yeah, and Mitchell, Jeffrey Combs, Diana Miltor, Mumble Dar, Trying to think there's a couple.

[00:35:05] There was somebody else who was just. Oh, I'm a guy who played the.

[00:35:10] Sarah.

[00:35:11] Yeah.

[00:35:12] Yeah.

[00:35:13] Mark Leonard.

[00:35:15] Mark Leonard. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:35:16] He played a Romulan. He played a Vulcan. He played somebody else. I think too.

[00:35:20] He was on the runners as a guy. You could take up his head.

[00:35:24] Yes. Oh, with the Afro, like the really weird hair that yeah, that was not a good hair choice.

[00:35:33] Really?

[00:35:33] Was very much Brady in the in the 70s.

[00:35:40] So yeah, so now we we know what the signal. And it's from the USS Henniganai.

[00:35:46] And the Henniganai is a, let's see, it was 18th century.

[00:35:51] I wrote it down somewhere.

[00:35:52] Yeah, 18th century Japanese kind of Renaissance man who sort of knew a little

[00:35:56] bit about everything.

[00:35:57] So I don't know if that name is supposed to be a reference, but like, oh, it's a signal to us

[00:36:06] because they kind of do that, but I'm not sure.

[00:36:12] But yeah.

[00:36:13] Not enough information yet.

[00:36:14] Yeah.

[00:36:15] So that's one section which we kind of got over time,

[00:36:19] what back and forth.

[00:36:21] And then the other two sections,

[00:36:23] we have three episodes in here.

[00:36:27] We have Burnham and Georgio on the planet of ice, basically.

[00:36:34] It's hot.

[00:36:35] With rings.

[00:36:37] Very pretty rings, actually.

[00:36:39] Lovely rings.

[00:36:40] I was actually thinking about No Man's Sky when I saw that.

[00:36:43] I thought, oh, yeah.

[00:36:44] So low when I saw that. I thought, oh,

[00:36:46] so low when I get on the planet.

[00:36:53] It's the first time in 54 years that there's been actual snow in Star Trek on the television.

[00:36:58] So you're outside. It's not all on a set. It's not, you know, being blown at them.

[00:37:04] So yeah, so that was kind of interesting. So they're in this very clearly cold place and they're wandering around and they're looking,

[00:37:07] the sphere told us to be here

[00:37:08] and they're using their tricoms or whatever,

[00:37:12] it's called the tricorder thing with the hologram,

[00:37:14] which I was looking at if it's that bright

[00:37:17] and what it's interesting how they had to change

[00:37:19] what the hologram looked like to be visible on the background.

[00:37:23] So I'm curious technologically how that was supposed to afford.

[00:37:26] I'm sure it has a contrast setting.

[00:37:28] Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:29] Yeah.

[00:37:30] I'm sure you can customize your display just like anything

[00:37:33] else.

[00:37:35] There's a real life Kickstarter thing, which, and by real life,

[00:37:39] I mean, it's a scam.

[00:37:43] It's a bracelet that projects basically your phone onto your wrist.

[00:37:50] And they show that side in beautiful sun and it's like totally readable.

[00:37:55] And it's clearly, and then they show they slow it down.

[00:37:57] They show how you can tell that it's like trying to track and keep up with the arm that

[00:38:00] it's just done in, you know, after effects or something.

[00:38:04] So in real life, we just do not have any kind of projector that would be bright enough to do that,

[00:38:09] but this is the 32nd century and they have holograms and I am 100% sure that that's totally doable

[00:38:16] in their world. But so they're looking around and it's like, oh, there's not, well, it's not exactly

[00:38:22] a life form reading. I love George.

[00:38:25] It was just like where I like she's getting really frustrated and you can kind of tell

[00:38:31] she is, but she's also not.

[00:38:34] I feel like we actually are and it's earned that she's starting to change.

[00:38:38] Like in the last couple of episodes, she's had more sarcastic humor than

[00:38:42] malevolence.

[00:38:44] It's just sort of, I don't know, I'm feeling like if somehow she got thrown back in time

[00:38:51] or she went and did her own section 31 thing before this season, it would be just like how?

[00:38:58] Because she wasn't affected by anything. She's still seeing evil. That would be a really bad idea.

[00:39:03] And it seems like morally questionable that the Federation would have anything to do with her. But this time

[00:39:11] travel and just her exposure to discovery over and over again really seems to have made a dent

[00:39:19] in her and like not excusing her for all of the horrible things he's done, but it does feel like she has a redemption

[00:39:27] arc that is earned as opposed to just imposed. Yeah, well, and the thing that I thought was that

[00:39:36] all of her anger and sarcasm was hiding fear. She was afraid. She has to be afraid. She doesn't know what's happening to her.

[00:39:50] And then once she does know what's happening, she knows that she's dying. That makes anyone

[00:39:56] afraid. Anyone. So that to me was just coming from a place of fear and anxiety.

[00:40:04] to me was just coming from a place of fear and anxiety. Well, and when you look at, you know, kind of talking about the way

[00:40:08] Saru is operating from a place of fear, pretty much every Taren

[00:40:12] is also doing the same thing because you don't know who's going to kill you next

[00:40:16] there's just there's no everybody scared there and it's just

[00:40:20] it just magnifies to this bravado that is not there. I mean

[00:40:24] I'm sure some people it is, but like,

[00:40:28] we'll get to that point.

[00:40:28] But when they're in the Terran universe,

[00:40:30] we also see the medical doctor from that you see in the background of in discovery,

[00:40:36] who's an older woman.

[00:40:39] No, no,

[00:40:40] the blonde one, blonde boy.

[00:40:42] Yeah, kind of whitish blonde.

[00:40:44] Yeah. She will whitish blonde.

[00:40:49] She, well, one, she looks like she's wearing a monster maroon. It's very fun. Like at first glance, I'm like,

[00:40:50] wait, why is she wearing the movie uniform?

[00:40:53] Oh, she's not.

[00:40:54] But you have to think it's like,

[00:40:57] she must be a pretty badass person

[00:40:59] because you don't really see older people surviving

[00:41:01] than the Terran universe, at least on a ship.

[00:41:04] So I'm like, what, she does just be like really crafty with medical stuff

[00:41:09] or something like that.

[00:41:10] Oh, I just poisoned you.

[00:41:11] I'm sorry.

[00:41:12] You know, so I kind of want to know her backstory, which is in the Terran universe.

[00:41:18] Yeah.

[00:41:19] That would be interesting.

[00:41:21] So, but anyway, back to back in time, we're bouncing around in time a little bit here.

[00:41:27] So they're looking around and for this sort of life form and they turn around and suddenly there

[00:41:32] is a door and a guy sitting in an Adirondack chair, smoking a cigar and reading a newspaper.

[00:41:40] That edit was beautifully done. It was beautiful.

[00:41:45] It just took my breath away how it was just so simple and yet so complex

[00:41:51] because it was just a movement of the camera angle.

[00:41:55] And suddenly he's there.

[00:41:56] It just loved it.

[00:42:00] So I guess that probably was set up just the way it always was there.

[00:42:04] And it's just the way that they shot it. Didn't feel like suddenly they ran in and put down a door or something like that.

[00:42:10] Exactly. It was well done.

[00:42:12] Seamless.

[00:42:13] And my first reaction was, oh, it's like the TARDIS.

[00:42:18] It feels very much like that.

[00:42:22] And I had mentioned that and both Bowie, Erica said that, you know, we're big doctor who

[00:42:28] fans.

[00:42:29] So that was definitely not, you know, an accident.

[00:42:32] Yeah, I didn't think it was.

[00:42:34] I did not think it was.

[00:42:36] And in fact, Dave even mentioned, hey, this is like, he's like an Americanized doctor,

[00:42:42] who?

[00:42:43] And you said, you're a series seven well, because Gary seven had a sonic screwdriver

[00:42:48] within two weeks of the doctor getting his first sonic screwdriver.

[00:42:53] And we were Gary seven was first, actually.

[00:42:57] Interesting.

[00:42:58] Yeah.

[00:42:59] I know.

[00:43:00] I that's got to be one of those like, oh, there's two asteroid movies out at the

[00:43:03] same time.

[00:43:04] There's two, you know's two things come in pairs.

[00:43:06] Yeah. Well, and that does happen because unless people were privy to each other's series production,

[00:43:13] they wouldn't have known. It was just one of those coincidences.

[00:43:17] No, that's like, yeah, it just seems very unlikely that those two had any kind of connection.

[00:43:23] Yes.

[00:43:23] Yeah, it just seems very unlikely that those two had any kind of connection.

[00:43:24] Yes.

[00:43:30] So, yes, so we have this basically, it's like, you know, hey, I've just read about you. And it's like, just the newspaper and it's like, you know,

[00:43:33] Terran Emperor dies painful death.

[00:43:35] And horribly painful death, I think it was.

[00:43:39] Through this, actually, the newspaper is riddled with Easter eggs.

[00:43:43] And the first time I saw it,

[00:43:45] and even when I actually got the actual episode,

[00:43:48] my bandwidth is good,

[00:43:50] but apparently not good enough to sharpen every detail

[00:43:53] because I missed a lot of stuff.

[00:43:56] But so we have the front of the paper.

[00:43:59] Oh yeah, horribly painful death.

[00:44:01] Yes, so if you look at the paper,

[00:44:04] we have delivering tomorrow's news today in the,

[00:44:06] which is great.

[00:44:09] It doesn't say, they didn't, maybe it's on the backside,

[00:44:12] but the star dispatch is the same newspaper

[00:44:15] that Edith Keeler's death was, or Edith Keeler

[00:44:20] in Sydney.

[00:44:23] Sydney on the edge of forever.

[00:44:27] Universal edition, I did see that before.

[00:44:29] So the price is 15 quadludes.

[00:44:33] Right.

[00:44:37] There's a little headline to the left.

[00:44:39] I guess this is part of the same article about her dying.

[00:44:41] It says, cells pulled apart.

[00:44:44] We have the USS Genolan reported to be missing, which that is

[00:44:48] gaudy going through time, basically, showing up in the

[00:44:53] future. Supernova threatens the Tacon Empire billions parish.

[00:44:58] And I think the Tacon people had portals that allowed them to

[00:45:02] go different places.

[00:45:04] DeCon people had portals that allowed them to go different places.

[00:45:13] And I, yeah, I misread that because I, my picture was very blurry, was super novere threatens the Terran Empire.

[00:45:15] So I wasn't correct about that.

[00:45:17] On the backside, we have a good soup, which was aligned in, you know, it's like, it's kind of a little housekeepers

[00:45:28] or house wife's column kind of a thing.

[00:45:32] Let me help at the bottom, which is what Kirk said

[00:45:36] would be a very famous three words used over above.

[00:45:41] I love you in like, you know, 100 years in the future.

[00:45:44] On it that's orbiting the third star of Orion's Belt or something like that. words used over above. I love you in like, you know, 100 years in the future.

[00:45:48] That's orbiting the third star of Orion's belt or something like that.

[00:45:53] As he gestures up to the sky in Brooklyn that you can see no stars with or from.

[00:45:58] We have the 21st Street Mission, which is where she worked.

[00:45:59] Yep.

[00:46:03] Have some Bajoran script, which I guess could be like the orb of time.

[00:46:07] We have it looks like a what is it?

[00:46:12] Yeah, what is what I'm looking for?

[00:46:14] Grass-furred puzzle? Yeah, kind of but it's also I'm trying to think there's another

[00:46:16] but yeah, but yeah, it's not.

[00:46:19] I've heard some people talk about the hexagon sort of remind them of the sphere builders

[00:46:27] from Enterprise.

[00:46:28] I can see that.

[00:46:32] Warf wins batlith competition, which that would be parallels.

[00:46:37] Oh, yeah.

[00:46:38] Yeah.

[00:46:39] Different time wins converging.

[00:46:41] Yes.

[00:46:42] And the Vulcan script at the bottom and the little idic symbol could be somebody suggested

[00:46:46] Maybe it's like, you know, we do not believe in time travel

[00:46:48] the Vulcan science

[00:46:51] Director it has

[00:46:55] I can't remember the yeah time travel is impossible has concluded that time travel is impossible

[00:47:02] So the newspaper is it when I just saw the two references

[00:47:08] or the two or three references to City on the Engine Forever,

[00:47:11] my brain went immediately to like,

[00:47:13] this is the Guardian of Forever personified

[00:47:16] because the original draft of Harlan Ellison's story,

[00:47:21] there were like actual guardians.

[00:47:24] It wasn't just a portal. So, and you also have

[00:47:28] him, it's like, you know, since your son has burned in the sky, I have awaited a question. And Carl,

[00:47:35] who we turn out to find out this guy is named Carl, is very question focused. Let's put it that

[00:47:42] way. You're not asking the right questions or you can't have the answer proceed to question because then things get really that never goes well. Yeah, then it never goes well. It's only my favorite thing is though when they're asking it's like, well, what is this? It's like, it's a door you go through it. Maybe you should have like he was trying to think of a name.

[00:48:07] I'm Carl.

[00:48:10] Yeah.

[00:48:11] Somebody in we have our question of the week is who do you think Carl is?

[00:48:17] Somebody mentions like is it spelled Q A R L?

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:21] Okay.

[00:48:22] I have heard a lot of people and seen a lot of people saying that they think it's a cue.

[00:48:26] I do not for various reasons, but the biggest reason is that cue don't help people for the

[00:48:34] sake of helping them.

[00:48:38] When they do help them, they do it very sarcastically and act like gods. Whereas Carl is very much trying to help someone

[00:48:51] who doesn't seem to want to be helped, but really does.

[00:48:56] And so I just, I threw Q out the window

[00:48:59] before I even saw all that stuff on the newspaper.

[00:49:03] I just thought, no, this is not a Q.

[00:49:04] This is not how Q manifest. This is not how cue manifest.

[00:49:06] This is not how cue act.

[00:49:09] They are a lot more flippants.

[00:49:10] They are a lot more obsequious in that they know everything.

[00:49:16] They've seen everything.

[00:49:17] They've done everything.

[00:49:19] And so they act like gods.

[00:49:22] Well, I have two of two competing things like,

[00:49:26] that confirms that and refutes that.

[00:49:29] First, the refuting one is that Janeway

[00:49:33] did a lot of impact on the Q continuum

[00:49:37] with the birth of the Q's child for better term.

[00:49:44] And we had the letting the guy kill himself who commit suicide. Death

[00:49:48] wish. Yeah, death wish. And which also had a newspaper. Yes. So, well, more like a magazine.

[00:49:54] No, when it was like, I wasn't a magazine where it just has a little bit of a word or

[00:50:00] isn't it time to die? Well, there were there were a newspaper and then there was the book that said the old,

[00:50:06] and then like this big fashion type magazine thing that was the new.

[00:50:09] I watched that episode recently because it's the next one they're covering on Delta Flyers.

[00:50:13] So I literally watched it like two days ago.

[00:50:16] Nice. I need to catch up on that.

[00:50:19] And on the board that was all of that sexual harassment uncomfortable.

[00:50:24] No, no, no, not good. It does not age well at all.

[00:50:30] Is this the one with, is this the, is that episode the one with the Civil War? No, that's okay.

[00:50:38] This is the first appearance of Q and Voyager. Oh, it's the death wish. Yes, death wish. It's death wish. So, yeah, it's just.

[00:50:46] Yeah.

[00:50:48] So.

[00:50:50] That's, that's kind of like, okay, maybe it could be them, but then the other one is that what refutes it is or what, what doesn't come, whatever. I don't know which.

[00:51:00] I know what you meant. I know.

[00:51:02] Is that the sphere data knows where to send them.

[00:51:06] Exactly.

[00:51:07] It's the sphere data going to know what, like if Q doesn't want them, I mean, yes, Q could

[00:51:11] plant that if they really wanted to, but Q isn't going to be observable to the sphere

[00:51:15] no matter what, because it's not omnipotent.

[00:51:18] And it's like, you know, and here's a whole other thing just thrown in.

[00:51:21] I just thought I was like, does the mirror universe have their own continuum Q continuum?

[00:51:27] Which would make them good?

[00:51:30] Well, and they do help people just randomly

[00:51:34] Stuff it's not always exact opposite. No, no, I know I know

[00:51:40] But no, I thought the same thing because I'm like there's no way that the sphere data could calculate where a queue is going to appear

[00:51:46] at a specific time.

[00:51:48] So this is something that is a fixed point.

[00:51:50] Yeah.

[00:51:51] That's what I came up with with the information

[00:51:53] that I had been given.

[00:51:54] Which feels like then if it is something that we are,

[00:51:58] we have seen in like the newspaper or whatever,

[00:52:00] does feel more like a guardian of forever situation.

[00:52:04] Yes.

[00:52:05] In fact, actually, why don't we just bring that up right now?

[00:52:07] We can do our question of the week.

[00:52:09] Let's do it.

[00:52:10] Yeah, because we're in that discussion.

[00:52:13] And if anybody in the chat room has their theory or even joke

[00:52:18] about Carl might be.

[00:52:20] So questions will be, who do you think Carl is?

[00:52:23] And so I got all of our answers together from Facebook and Twitter.

[00:52:28] There's a lot of Guardian and Forever.

[00:52:30] We got Tristan Zamboni, Guardian of Freakin Forever.

[00:52:35] I loved that.

[00:52:36] That was great.

[00:52:37] Yeah.

[00:52:38] Marina is a Guardian of Forever.

[00:52:41] Oh, by the way, people who,

[00:52:43] the marino is about somebody who actually won some of the

[00:52:45] pin sets at our holodeck hangout that we did a couple

[00:52:48] weeks ago. Uh, because I was ill, I'm a little slow on getting

[00:52:52] all that stuff, but I'm getting all the, the addresses and

[00:52:55] tough off to fans that today. So you should within a week or

[00:52:57] so beginning pins, hopefully. Yes. Yes. And we are, we'll be

[00:53:02] announcing as soon as I can get it all everybody, you know, ironed out for

[00:53:07] whatever specific day, sometime between Thanksgiving.

[00:53:09] Great.

[00:53:10] Sometime between Christmas and New Year's, we will be doing a holiday hangout.

[00:53:15] So, uh, because most people, yeah, hopefully that, you know, we'll have more people who

[00:53:19] are kind of off work and we'll try to do it on a weekend as opposed to a weekday, even

[00:53:23] though it was, you it was Black Friday.

[00:53:31] We learned a lot from the first one, so we can hone the second one a little bit better.

[00:53:34] Yeah, not 10 people at the same time. No, six is probably what we're going to shoot for.

[00:53:40] Bill Sweet, talking time donut man.

[00:53:43] Bill Sweet talking time donut man. Oh talking time donut man.

[00:53:47] That was probably a better way to emphasize it.

[00:53:49] I like that one a lot.

[00:53:51] Let's see.

[00:53:53] Casey Petty said P-E-T-I-T-T.

[00:53:57] Petite?

[00:53:58] I don't know.

[00:53:59] Or Pettit.

[00:54:00] Pettit.

[00:54:01] I was thinking a Q, maybe it's Q-R-O, you know, possibly a Gary Seven kind of person,

[00:54:07] which I thought that was kind of interesting. But is Gary Seven there to help, really?

[00:54:14] He was there to help Earth not destroy itself. I mean the aliens have their own agenda, but

[00:54:21] I don't know, we've never seen them again. So that would be we have in the comments. Oh, we have okay

[00:54:28] We have not seen them. Oh, yeah, they didn't seem like they were maybe the most

[00:54:35] Altruistic yes, that would be a good word

[00:54:39] They're definitely more self preservation than other people

[00:54:45] You probably crafting how humans evolved was help them as

[00:54:51] opposed to helping humans.

[00:54:53] Yep.

[00:54:54] So that's my take.

[00:54:57] Adam, and this is my one of my favorites.

[00:54:59] Obviously a renegade time lord.

[00:55:00] Look at how he's dressed.

[00:55:03] It's so true.

[00:55:05] Yes.

[00:55:09] Michael Wong is Carl from up.

[00:55:18] That was adorable. We got a couple QA RLS. So that's in there.

[00:55:23] Stephen Morris also said that Adam denaker says he definitely feels like cue, but I sincerely hope it's something new

[00:55:25] that we haven't seen before.

[00:55:26] So.

[00:55:27] Yeah.

[00:55:28] This is how I feel about that.

[00:55:32] People say that, but then when they get the thing

[00:55:36] that we've never seen before, they complain about it.

[00:55:38] Yeah.

[00:55:39] And so I.

[00:55:40] I've been thinking about whatever it is.

[00:55:42] Yeah, exactly.

[00:55:42] They're going to complain.

[00:55:43] There's always going to be some group that's just like, oh, yeah.

[00:55:46] Whatever. But frankly, I honestly would be really happy with the Guardian of Forever because it ties into TOS and one of the most memorable episodes of the series.

[00:55:59] And yeah, and it's there's a portal. I mean, he's a guy with a portal. He's got a portal.

[00:56:08] I never assumed that there was only one portal. Agreed. So I, you know, this doesn't have to be

[00:56:14] the same planet. I always just thought that that was one of them. Yeah, well, there whatever the explanation is, I'm sure that we will get one, it may not be laid out as

[00:56:27] expositionally as people may like. I, but I feel that my personal feeling is that there are, you know,

[00:56:37] multiple guardians and that there, they probably don't want their existence to really be well known because people being

[00:56:48] what they are, which is to go in.

[00:56:52] Oh, we planted an explosion that went back to time into their own past.

[00:56:55] That had a snowy, snowy place.

[00:56:57] Yeah.

[00:56:58] Well, I don't think they ever named the planet that the Guardian was on because I watched

[00:57:06] them so recently as well and I don't remember them saying a name.

[00:57:09] No, I think in the animated series they call it like the Time Portal Planet or something

[00:57:13] like that.

[00:57:14] Yeah, it doesn't have an official designation that I'll.

[00:57:19] Although they did send, you know, historians from, you know, the bird historian guy and that woman to review the Orion's past.

[00:57:29] So who knows?

[00:57:31] And that's how we got a ton of information about Spock.

[00:57:34] A lot of what Spock is can go back to that animated series episode.

[00:57:38] So for all the people who, even though it is Canon, who are just like, pretty much everybody

[00:57:43] still respects that episode as Canon

[00:57:47] because it so much comes from it.

[00:57:49] Yeah.

[00:57:50] So let's see, we also have another cue

[00:57:53] we have not encountered before.

[00:57:55] Anika says related to the sphere data,

[00:57:58] though the sphere AI, which is like,

[00:57:59] that's kind of interesting.

[00:58:04] It's, oh, it's the calypso at the

[00:58:06] discovery.

[00:58:10] Craft just changed a lot. He got really old and white.

[00:58:16] I just weird. Just weird. I like Carl a lot. I think he was

[00:58:24] devised to send anyone who was in the

[00:58:25] wrong time or dimension home. Huh, I don't think it's a cue that doesn't make sense

[00:58:30] in all honesty. I hope not. That would be lazy. You know, I have to agree with the lazy part.

[00:58:36] Yeah. This one is interesting. A lot of people are jumping on the Guardian of Forever Train, but he really acts nothing like the Guardian.

[00:58:46] More does the way the doorway works.

[00:58:51] That didn't work for the same. I think I just mistyped that.

[00:58:55] For those who would say, yeah, but it's over a millennium in the future.

[00:58:59] The Guardian had already been around for many millennia before Kirk.

[00:59:02] Also, the time travel with the Guardian creates changes to the

[00:59:05] home universe, not splits into other universes. That's kind of interesting.

[00:59:11] How do you know that? Was it ever said that it was only our timeline?

[00:59:20] Well, and we also don't know, you know, when it's like, oh, we can't get to the,

[00:59:23] Well, and we also don't know, you know, when he's like, oh, we can't get to the, what you wanna call it, you know, we, Starfleet doesn't exist.

[00:59:26] It's, you know, who knows that you're in the prime timeline when that's happening.

[00:59:31] It could have shunted you over to this other universe.

[00:59:34] In my head, and in before discovery happened, which this is what irritates me

[00:59:38] about the Terran universe, is that my headcanon was that the timeline

[00:59:46] where Edith Keeler didn't die

[00:59:48] is what became the Terran Universe.

[00:59:51] Because Nazis won and then it's like,

[00:59:52] oh, this kind of, it could all lead to that sort of a thing

[00:59:55] where up to that point, it was the same.

[00:59:58] So that maybe would make more sense at least

[00:59:59] that their history moving forward kind of state

[01:00:03] on the same path.

[01:00:07] But now we have the thing where the continents are flipped and they have vision problems because of light

[01:00:11] and I don't think any of that makes any sense. But okay. Yeah I'm just saying

[01:00:17] that if it's yeah if it's a guardian of forever, how do you know that that includes only the timeline you know about?

[01:00:28] Right.

[01:00:29] I'm just saying.

[01:00:30] Aardian of all the timelines.

[01:00:32] Yeah, I'm just saying.

[01:00:33] It's just that they were showing their timeline because that's who was there.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:40] And my favorite overall has to be who is Carl?

[01:00:45] This is from Dave the Mod because every week it was something that's perfect. And my favorite overall has to be who is Carl.

[01:00:47] This is from Dave the Mod because every week he comes up with something that's perfect.

[01:00:50] He's Carl Jr's dad.

[01:00:52] Okay.

[01:00:56] Yeah.

[01:00:57] Yeah.

[01:01:00] This is why I married him.

[01:01:01] Thank you, Dave.

[01:01:05] Yep, he makes me laugh every single day. This is why I married him. Thank you, Dave.

[01:01:08] Yep, he makes me laugh every single day.

[01:01:14] Yeah, I'm always excited when we have a question of the week because I know that the answer is

[01:01:19] is going to be, you know, hilarious.

[01:01:26] So, well, we are at like about 15, 20 minutes left just to wrap things up, but we need to get into the Terran Universe. So, well, we are at like 15, 20 minutes left just to wrap things up. But we need to get into the Terran universe.

[01:01:28] So basically they're, you know,

[01:01:33] which Michael is just, you know, hey, I don't, there's no radiation, but I don't know.

[01:01:37] And I love for him.

[01:01:38] Or I mean, Georgio is just like, no, when to shut up.

[01:01:45] It's true. Michael is just like, this is her.

[01:01:47] She's either going to die, which you don't want that to happen or something

[01:01:51] possibly could help her.

[01:01:53] You know, she has her, her futuristic Fitbit on this.

[01:01:56] I'm just going to die.

[01:01:58] It looks like a Fitbit.

[01:01:59] It really looks very much like a Fitbit.

[01:02:02] And it might actually be a Fitbit that they just re-tooled or something like that.

[01:02:06] It would be.

[01:02:07] Yeah.

[01:02:08] And it lights up.

[01:02:09] It has the very simplistic Star Trek.

[01:02:11] Green you're okay, red you're not.

[01:02:13] You know, so.

[01:02:14] No detail.

[01:02:15] Yeah, no yellow.

[01:02:17] Just your life, you're going to die.

[01:02:20] That's the two settings.

[01:02:22] So Carl basically sets it to green and says, you know, it's like, you're,

[01:02:25] you're going to be fine except there are a lot of other ways to die.

[01:02:29] And off she goes through the door and arrives in, uh, comes down down the shuttle ramp

[01:02:36] into the discovery, the ISS discoveries, uh, shuttle bay with killy up front and

[01:02:42] everybody, uh, doing their Hyle Hitler of the...

[01:02:47] Go team!

[01:02:48] Hey, Tara Fermah!

[01:02:51] So, yes, so they're there.

[01:02:56] She is, this is back in the past,

[01:02:59] but when they're going to Chris and the Caron,

[01:03:02] the big Emperor's ship with the floating.

[01:03:07] The palace ship.

[01:03:08] Love it.

[01:03:09] The palace ship.

[01:03:09] And the my sea little gumball, yeah.

[01:03:12] The my sea little gumball.

[01:03:13] Never heard it called that.

[01:03:14] That's great.

[01:03:15] That's what it is.

[01:03:17] OK.

[01:03:19] So we get to basically revisit all of the lovely terror

[01:03:24] of the Terran universe of, you know, killing. Yeah, it's okay. Captain killing

[01:03:31] Yes

[01:03:33] Not noticed from the first time the makeup jobs on everybody is just so

[01:03:39] Extend extensive and just like extreme. It's just like it's much eyeliner

[01:03:43] extensive and just like extreme it's just like it's not eyeliner. Yeah, you know, it's really her head eyeliner and stuff.

[01:03:47] Everybody.

[01:03:48] Everybody.

[01:03:49] Yeah.

[01:03:50] Everybody.

[01:03:51] Yeah.

[01:03:52] Like George.

[01:03:53] Oh, at least makeup of anyone.

[01:03:54] Yes.

[01:03:55] And Owa, no, I'm not even answering.

[01:03:57] Oh, well, oh, I was like, my brain is just like shunting off in different directions today.

[01:04:04] She was she was a Wosh wash kind of just fierce.

[01:04:09] She was.

[01:04:11] I, I, everybody, I would be scared of her the most.

[01:04:14] I don't know.

[01:04:14] She just, she would give no compunction about just like your dad.

[01:04:20] Yeah.

[01:04:20] So she, she should be rising in the ranks faster.

[01:04:23] I feel like.

[01:04:27] Well, she feel like. Yeah, Tilly is terrifying because, excuse me, Killy is terrifying because, and this is actually a point that Dave made is that every word she says just drips with honey but is full of venom.

[01:04:40] Yep.

[01:04:41] And so she's far far scarier.

[01:04:45] Yeah.

[01:04:46] Yeah.

[01:04:47] Yeah.

[01:04:48] We see Michael.

[01:04:49] Basically, this is a.

[01:04:51] Killy tries to give her all this information and she's like, look,

[01:04:54] I already know all this, like, as if somehow the emperor has got all these,

[01:04:57] this great intel, but it's just because she knows what it's going to happen.

[01:05:01] That, that Michael is sleeping with Lorka and they are plotting against her.

[01:05:07] Which sort of dropping that makes us wonder, will we see Lorka in the next episode? Because

[01:05:14] you know, it's Chekhov's Lorka. We have to use them or not.

[01:05:18] Yeah, and I don't know.

[01:05:22] I wanted to go back and find out when this and then go compare it to Jason

[01:05:26] Isaac's Twitter feed and see if there's like a gap or a fee.

[01:05:29] It's just like, I'm off to do something.

[01:05:32] Yeah, I, um,

[01:05:35] but you don't know.

[01:05:36] I, I do know, but at the time that the episode aired, I didn't know.

[01:05:42] And so I'm coming from that standpoint is I would love to see Jason Isaacs again.

[01:05:48] However, I'm not sure that it would happen.

[01:05:51] So I don't know if they would go that far.

[01:05:55] And then you had a male mole.

[01:05:56] I don't know.

[01:05:57] Yeah.

[01:05:57] So just like this Terran universe is a little bit of the bargain basement Terran universe because they it's it's expansive, but it's not quite as expansive as all of the the ship and the it just felt like it's a little

[01:06:10] bit more of a bottle show of the Terran universe. Yeah, well, they're only on discovery. That's

[01:06:16] that's all you see in this particular episode is them on discovery. And then we also so basically

[01:06:22] she's there to like they said, Chris and the ship, they left Earth orbit and they're they're warping away because they don't have us or drive on the ship.

[01:06:31] Which makes me wonder is like, does it have a hole in it still? Does it have a place to spin or is it, you know, we don't see the outside and we've never.

[01:06:39] If it's still the pizza cutter. Is it? Is it? No, no, no, no, because when Discovery was in the Terran universe and they just painted

[01:06:47] the thing to say, I assess, they weren't like, what happened to

[01:06:50] your ship? Why does it have a hole in it? So it probably does

[01:06:54] look exactly the same. So they go into the shuttle bay and

[01:06:58] everybody's gathered there. They had to do the party first,

[01:07:01] they have like a welcome party. Yeah. Where they were, were Culver and Stammets are just zapping each other with the

[01:07:09] agonizer for fun. Like that's a fun party game. We have

[01:07:13] throwing knives at bird on people's heads and yes.

[01:07:16] It was fruit, but thankful. No, it was a it was a gourd. It was not an apple. At least it

[01:07:20] wasn't that stereotypical. I said fruit, vegetable, whatever. Yeah. No, but I mean, it wasn't an apple, at least it wasn't that stereotypical. I said fruit, vegetable, whatever. Yeah.

[01:07:25] No, but I mean, it wasn't an apple.

[01:07:27] Somebody was just like, oh, of course, we

[01:07:29] had to have the William Tell thing.

[01:07:31] That's just like, yeah, but it's not an apple.

[01:07:33] And it was an arrow not a life.

[01:07:36] Right.

[01:07:36] Anyway.

[01:07:37] It's just something that people do with weapons,

[01:07:40] it seems like.

[01:07:42] Yeah.

[01:07:42] It's like, hey, I'm going to try to not hit you in the face.

[01:07:45] Yep. With this very pointy thing. We have a ratio shows back up as Landry who gets spilled

[01:07:52] on by a kelpian and is going to send him off to be dessert basically. And, uh, Saru, we

[01:07:59] actually see. So it was not been eaten. They look on her face when she's out.

[01:08:05] Wow.

[01:08:08] Yeah.

[01:08:09] If anyone's paying attention to her,

[01:08:11] they'll be like, what is wrong with the emperor?

[01:08:13] Because she's just all these looks.

[01:08:15] She's like, that's what I mean.

[01:08:17] That's where it feels like, okay, something's happened

[01:08:19] and she has changed.

[01:08:21] There's.

[01:08:22] Yeah.

[01:08:23] And I think that Michael is picking up on that as well.

[01:08:28] She's not saying it, but she's picking up on it.

[01:08:31] Yes, and as Patrick mentioned, there's a hidden addendum in DATEMORDS book about the

[01:08:37] Prime Lorka most likely being trapped in the mirror universe.

[01:08:41] So that would be interesting if we saw the Prime Lorka too. I would love that. But I really don't think they're going to do that.

[01:08:51] Just have our odd, like it's just a silhouette and it's off.

[01:08:56] I just I would just like know that prime warka is alive and that he's somehow going to find

[01:09:02] his way back to the prime universe, not that we'll know about it, but I just, you know, I just...

[01:09:08] It would be, this is obviously not gonna be in the show, but it would be interesting to have prime Lorka mirroring what mirror universe Lorka did, like just pretending to be like the bad one, and then get them, get the ISS discovery back into the main universe. Here's the reason why I think that we won't see where Lorka is that I think that he's

[01:09:33] already in the prime universe.

[01:09:36] Oh, at this point, you're right.

[01:09:40] He would be, wouldn't he?

[01:09:41] Probably.

[01:09:42] Yeah.

[01:09:43] They didn't.

[01:09:44] Did he have the discovery though? No, he had he? Probably. Yeah. They didn't. Did he have the discovery, though?

[01:09:47] No, he had he was on the Buran. Buran? Yeah, you're right. Yeah, it was probably true. So if we did

[01:09:52] see any kind of Lorka, it would be the prime Lorka, probably. Yeah. And I don't think they're

[01:09:56] gonna do that. So we end up, we're every bit. So we have this this party she talks with Saru privately and

[01:10:05] mentions the Bacal is that what it's called the Bacu?

[01:10:09] The Vahari.

[01:10:11] Yeah, what did that come from? It's like

[01:10:14] Aku are the people in the that TNG movie that was like I blocked out of my mind.

[01:10:22] People have been talking about insurrection a lot lately. movie that was like, I blocked out of my mind.

[01:10:26] So

[01:10:29] people have been talking about insurrection a lot lately.

[01:10:34] He just felt like anyway.

[01:10:39] And so Ru is just like, Hey, if anybody even hears you talking about that, that you took the time to even know what that is,

[01:10:41] they will find that a weakness.

[01:10:43] So just zip your lip.

[01:10:53] He said it a lot more elegantly. Not as flippantly. Do not score some with our language.

[01:11:09] And so she's getting all prepped to basically go to this unveiling ceremony, which is essentially an excuse to have Anthony rap do a sort of Cirque De So Evil thing, which is fascist art. Yeah, it's all done in a rhyme

[01:11:17] or we kind of figure out was it a rhyming couplets or? It was very well done. Yeah.

[01:11:28] rhyming couplets or... It was very well done. The thing that I hate about when people try to rhyme

[01:11:35] is that they don't get the meter right. I mean if you're doing like just free form stuff, that's fine. But when you're doing a performance like this, which as Dave pointed out in what the future holds. This is art not for entertainment, but to

[01:11:47] serve the state basically. So it's very fascist and rigid in its design. And so that poem

[01:11:56] is very well-metered. Like every couplet has the right amount of syllables. And it's not easy to do.

[01:12:06] It's really impressive to see that.

[01:12:09] And I don't think people understand

[01:12:11] why that's not easy to do.

[01:12:13] It's just not because it's not just about the rhyme.

[01:12:16] It's about the meter and the syllables

[01:12:18] and everything and it's hard.

[01:12:21] So well done, I tipped my hat to the writers.

[01:12:25] Yeah.

[01:12:26] And Anthony had tweeted out, it was like,

[01:12:28] you know, what's going on with the emperor this week?

[01:12:30] And so I responded with like,

[01:12:31] to find the answers that you seek,

[01:12:33] you must watch Discovery this week.

[01:12:34] I'm like, I blame you from that being in my head

[01:12:37] because I was like,

[01:12:38] like for two days I was just trying to rhyme everything.

[01:12:41] It was like, yeah.

[01:12:43] Yeah.

[01:12:44] It was, it was a very, it was a whole idea of the, the satin

[01:12:51] being like the blood that comes out.

[01:12:52] And then when you basically, times have changed the timeline, because if this is actually

[01:12:58] the mirror universe, that also is going to screw up how the time, the main universe works.

[01:13:03] Because if you kill off Stamets, which she does because she sees that he's plotting with Michael and

[01:13:08] everything and she basically in the middle of the thing just slices his throat.

[01:13:13] He's not there to cross over and, you know, tap on the window basically to prime time.

[01:13:20] Great.

[01:13:21] Prime time.

[01:13:22] Prime time.

[01:13:23] Time Stamets.

[01:13:24] Yes. Coming up next. Prime time, prime time, Stamets.

[01:13:25] Coming up next, prime time, Stamets.

[01:13:28] Well, and for me, that is a signal that this is not really happening.

[01:13:35] Yeah, because it would totally messes everything up.

[01:13:38] And I also think that there's somebody there who's not supposed to be there because they were were like on the, I think what's her face?

[01:13:47] What's her face?

[01:13:48] That's great.

[01:13:49] I have lost, I am fine with names until we go on the air

[01:13:53] and then I lose every single bit of it.

[01:13:55] I think that Aryan.

[01:13:57] No, not Aryan, not Aryan.

[01:13:58] Aryan we never saw before, I don't think,

[01:14:00] but I'm talking about,

[01:14:02] Debmer.

[01:14:03] Ah, Debmer.

[01:14:04] I thought Debmer was actually on the mirror.

[01:14:07] Um, the Sishenjo.

[01:14:10] Shen show.

[01:14:11] Yeah.

[01:14:12] And yeah.

[01:14:13] Yeah.

[01:14:13] Well, yeah.

[01:14:15] Yeah.

[01:14:15] Cause that's what Michael was on.

[01:14:17] So she was on the Shen show.

[01:14:19] Um, unless this is like, I don't know, I'm trying to figure out where

[01:14:23] in the timeline that fits.

[01:14:24] It's kind of like a little bit of like, and that would be fine, especially if this is

[01:14:29] really not that timeline, then who cares?

[01:14:30] It's just sort of like, and you were there and you were there, you know, kind of a little

[01:14:35] bit of a Wizard of Oz sort of thing.

[01:14:36] Well, I think because she's Michael's right hand man, so to speak, that it makes sense

[01:14:44] that she would be there with

[01:14:46] Michael.

[01:14:48] So she's just, yeah, they could just be visiting.

[01:14:51] It doesn't mean that she's actually a discovery crew person.

[01:14:55] Exactly.

[01:14:56] Because that's what I'm going with.

[01:15:00] I mean, that makes as much sense as anything.

[01:15:02] It's just along for the ride until they go to the the the the the

[01:15:07] paliship and then take off from there or whatever.

[01:15:10] Yeah, well, I think they've made it pretty clear by knowing looks that they're in cahoots.

[01:15:14] Oh, yeah. Yes, it was the knowing looks theater. It's just like we

[01:15:19] is a friend of mine. His parents in high school, we used to watch shows together.

[01:15:27] And I don't remember what the show was. I think it was the reboot of Dark Shadows or something

[01:15:35] in the late 80s, early 90s. And they were just like, it's eye acting theater where everybody was just

[01:15:43] you know, it's just the yeah, just all done with eye movements

[01:15:47] and looks and glances and stuff. So that's very much reminding me of that. It's like,

[01:15:51] nobody was talking, but everybody was saying something with their eyes. So I was great.

[01:15:57] Or they say one thing in their eyes were doing something completely different. That must

[01:16:02] be a really difficult, Taryn thing to master. Like you need to be

[01:16:07] duplicitous in everything that you do.

[01:16:10] So I'm smiling, but I'm also doing this.

[01:16:13] Yeah. That's terrifying.

[01:16:16] That is terrifying. I just looked at myself.

[01:16:20] Thank you. No.

[01:16:31] I'm going to use that when I want to, like, somebody who's a homicidal maniac. That's fair.

[01:16:32] That's hilarious.

[01:16:36] I don't know if we will put that on.

[01:16:37] I was like, oh, we'll just tweet that out so you can see what we're talking about.

[01:16:40] But I don't know.

[01:16:41] That might be a little too frightening.

[01:16:43] That's funny.

[01:16:44] I don't know how you get that a little too frightening. That's funny. I don't know how you did that.

[01:16:45] That was great.

[01:16:48] Thank you.

[01:16:50] You just channeled all of 2020,

[01:16:52] the mania about it.

[01:16:54] That yes, I'm gonna go with that.

[01:16:58] That's exactly what I did.

[01:16:59] And that's what I intended to do.

[01:17:03] So yeah, they revealed the thing. and then a couple of people mentioned,

[01:17:07] Oh, it's like their, their problem with light doesn't seem to be a thing anymore

[01:17:11] because the sun was the, you know, the, my silo gumball, but it looked

[01:17:16] immer to me than it did when it's outside.

[01:17:19] It feels like there's some sort of like the shield is, is stopping some light

[01:17:24] because it doesn't even cast light that back that far into the cargo bay.

[01:17:30] Yeah, it's like they've got that film on the windows that you put on to make them look like they've got a shield because it's ever put on right, which has happened in our house and we can't.

[01:17:51] house and we can't. But yeah, so there's that and then they basically ends with, you know, because she's she's now discovered that she reveals that she knows that everybody's out to get her

[01:17:57] basically. And she they assume that they're going to she's going to kill Michael because she would if

[01:18:04] this was. And I think they're trying to apply that she did originally. kill Michael because she would if this was.

[01:18:08] And I think they're trying to imply that she did originally. I don't think we ever knew that. We just knew that she is gone. Yeah, well, I think that that is implied and Michael actually

[01:18:15] says something about that. Prime Michael actually says something about that. Oh, okay.

[01:18:20] So, I'm in this season or previously. Yes. Okay. Yes. I think in this actual episode, right.

[01:18:28] I mean, I think you breathe this. I don't think we've ever known.

[01:18:31] I think that's no more of a question.

[01:18:34] But I think that that casts an interesting light

[01:18:40] on the actions of the Emperor in season one, because she knew that was not her Michael,

[01:18:49] but she was curious and so she let things go on.

[01:18:54] Yeah, that's true.

[01:18:55] If she had killed her, it's clearly that wasn't her.

[01:18:59] So yeah, that's interesting.

[01:19:02] But basically, they're like, nope, that would be too easy to kill you.

[01:19:05] I'm going to put you in the agonizer.

[01:19:07] Stay tuned for part two.

[01:19:08] Basically, that's where it's sort of, that was your cliffhanger.

[01:19:12] Yeah, well, I kind of actually get that because there are people who are like, oh, this person

[01:19:19] committed a horrible crime and they should get the death penalty and I'm not the one

[01:19:24] who's over. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I want them to suffer.

[01:19:28] I want them to suffer.

[01:19:30] Yeah, but I do.

[01:19:32] I want those horrible people to live with what they did because that is a greater punishment

[01:19:39] than being released from this life.

[01:19:42] So that's what they did. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I'll be,

[01:19:50] I'm very curious to see what happens next week. And I, how many episodes do we have left?

[01:19:57] This is nine. So this would be ten next week yeah only three and your worries seventh something

[01:20:07] like that is the last one i'm not ready for it to go well i'm trying to think it's like our show

[01:20:12] has been nothing but reviewing new star trek we have not had a a non-review like what what do we do

[01:20:18] one we have one yes it was our intro our tests show, I think. No, no, no, we had one actual episode that started before Lord Ex did.

[01:20:28] Yes, you're right.

[01:20:29] But that was sort of our welcome to the whole podcast.

[01:20:32] That makes sense.

[01:20:33] Yeah.

[01:20:34] So, yeah, no, we need to actually do some brainstorming about what we, but, you know, toss this out to the audience, actually.

[01:20:42] What kind of thing would you want to hear us talk about?

[01:20:45] We have a lot of ideas.

[01:20:46] We actually have talked about this before.

[01:20:48] It's not like we're just going to be lying to this.

[01:20:50] But what would you want to see from Infinite Trek?

[01:20:54] So let us know on Twitter or on Camp Kiddermer.

[01:20:57] Or if you're part of our Discord on Outpost 13,

[01:21:03] feel free to leave it there.

[01:21:04] And if you're not part of our Discord,

[01:21:06] that is a really fun place to hang out.

[01:21:07] We do watch along sometimes.

[01:21:10] There's always people posting really interesting,

[01:21:12] like music links and stuff like that.

[01:21:15] So feel free to join.

[01:21:16] And as a reminder, which I think,

[01:21:19] I don't think actually it's not a reminder

[01:21:20] because we didn't say anything,

[01:21:22] tomorrow is our third day.

[01:21:24] I know I'm really good our third day. I know

[01:21:30] I'm really good at selling things. I am great with graphics and stuff. Speaking apparently not so much.

[01:21:36] I'm fine in improv because it's a story and it's not me trying to convey actual information.

[01:21:43] So we have a 13-hour marathon on the network tomorrow starting at 11 a.m. we're starting with where you at which is our

[01:21:46] sort of community talk show where everybody like checks in and many times Daniel and his wife who

[01:21:54] played commander O in start in Star Trek Discovery in Picard will join us. So, pop in, you might

[01:22:07] actually see her there. At 1230, we have Roland with My Homies,

[01:22:11] which is a talk show that is focused on the person living in

[01:22:18] a wheelchair and what they're like, I think she's comedian. She

[01:22:23] has all these really interesting guests about just how to function in a world that's

[01:22:28] set up for able-bodied people, basically.

[01:22:32] We have 2 o'clock Breathe, which is a rebroadcast of a live play that was done earlier in the

[01:22:37] week.

[01:22:38] At 4.30, we have Outpost 13 Check-in, which is basically kind of the state of the network. And like, you know, what we'll want to do next year, what's coming up.

[01:22:48] So that's with Matthew Pitner and Paul Hungerford, who played Commander Jack Deadman and Matthew

[01:22:55] played Lieutenant Frostclim in the improvised operation, or plays, I should say.

[01:23:02] So our network is replete with Star Trek references.

[01:23:06] People.

[01:23:07] I'm Mary Chifo shows up at time, everyone's in a while.

[01:23:12] At five o'clock we have an actor unprepared.

[01:23:15] At 6.30 the Snuggery, and I do not 100% know what that is.

[01:23:19] I think it's about, I don't know what it's about.

[01:23:23] So I'm not gonna even speculate.

[01:23:26] At 7.30, we're doing a watch along with Aaron and Melissa.

[01:23:28] They do the show, which is called Group Text,

[01:23:31] and they're doing a watch along,

[01:23:32] I think of a hallmark Christmas movie.

[01:23:35] So that ought to be fun.

[01:23:37] I'm doing it for that for sure.

[01:23:38] There are hundreds of those.

[01:23:40] I need to know which one.

[01:23:42] I don't know which one I'd go check.

[01:23:54] It's all of them combined in one. No, this year they're doing like a commercial, like a 15 minute mini movie about with Colonel Sanders.

[01:23:55] Oh, I know.

[01:23:59] And with Mario Lopez.

[01:24:01] Mario Lopez as Colonel Sanders.

[01:24:02] Sure.

[01:24:06] Well, he says, Colonel, he just says, Harlan Sanders. Okay, Harlan Sanders, fine.

[01:24:09] Yeah, he's a cook. He's a chef that's got the secret recipe that he's going to

[01:24:14] change the world. But mom doesn't want her daughter, who is also working at the

[01:24:22] restaurant, to actually fall in love with this guy. No,

[01:24:27] she wants her to fall in love with this wealthy obnoxious guy that she's chosen for her daughter.

[01:24:34] And just either you know this and that frightens me or you just made it up because that is what

[01:24:40] pretty much all of those movies are like. No, no, I know this, I know this from the podcast, my brother, my brother and me because they have sometimes

[01:24:49] this thing called Munch Squad, which is a podcast within a podcast, but it's about the least and

[01:24:54] greatest in brand eating. And they talked about this at length and read the press release and played a clip from the trailer.

[01:25:05] So that is how I know all of this.

[01:25:09] It's because they were making fun of it.

[01:25:13] At 930, we have made up music with Arlo and Alex.

[01:25:18] This is my favorite show on our network, I think,

[01:25:20] because you get to help create a song.

[01:25:23] The music that you hear before in our

[01:25:25] lobby before the show are songs that were created or done, except for Dr. Hu, on the network in the

[01:25:34] show. So it's people in the chat room suggesting lines, or they'll say pick a number between one

[01:25:39] and 18, and then they use that number as like the beat or something in or the setting in the movie synthesizer. And it's just, it's crazy to watch it in the beginning. And if you have to like

[01:25:50] go away and come back, how different the song is like an hour later. And it's like, oh wow,

[01:25:57] it's this classical sort of movie score. And it's like, they come back and it's just like,

[01:26:01] why is it rap now? Like how did that happen? Or whatever? You know, so it's like, they come back and it's just like, why is it rap now? You know, like out of that or whatever, you know?

[01:26:05] So it's just really cool.

[01:26:07] People will sometimes send in audio clips and they'll incorporate that into the song.

[01:26:11] I did like a water bottle that sounded like a gong.

[01:26:15] It was just like, oh, that's a cool sound.

[01:26:16] And, you know, I sent it off and they used it.

[01:26:18] And so yeah, so hop in and help them build a song.

[01:26:23] And it's very, it's, it's And it's a fun sense of ownership too.

[01:26:27] And you're kind of like, oh, that was my little bit

[01:26:29] or whatever.

[01:26:29] So yeah.

[01:26:32] So tomorrow 11 a.m. and going until midnight.

[01:26:34] It is our 13 hour marathon.

[01:26:36] And so because it's outpost 13, 13 hours,

[01:26:40] and it's on the 13th.

[01:26:41] So well done.

[01:26:43] There's a lot of 13s, yes. Actually looked like, when is it going to on the 13th. So. Well done. There's a lot of thirteens.

[01:26:45] Yes.

[01:26:46] Actually looked like when is it going to be the 13th for Saturday?

[01:26:49] Like if we were going to put it, there's three Saturdays next year that it falls on

[01:26:53] the 13th and then only one in the next year.

[01:26:55] It's just like, oh, okay.

[01:26:57] It's like that really surprised me.

[01:26:59] I feel like there should have been more, but it is not.

[01:27:01] Well, that's because we have months that are inconsistent at best,

[01:27:08] whereas if we just did 13 months with 28 days each and then still had a leap here,

[01:27:15] it would solve the problem of knowing what day things were going to be on.

[01:27:20] The same. Or then you have something like Easter, which it seems like that is never consistent.

[01:27:24] I have no like is it in May is it April?

[01:27:26] It's in February.

[01:27:27] There's a formula.

[01:27:28] There's a formula and it's very pagan.

[01:27:32] Easter happens on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox.

[01:27:42] Is that literally how that works?

[01:27:44] Yes. Wow. I'm Catholic and I didn't even know that.

[01:27:48] Huh. All right then. That's very pagan.

[01:27:56] I can go into a whole Eddie Isard routine about it, but I'm not going to.

[01:28:02] Oh, you know, but no, why not? Okay.

[01:28:04] routine about it, but I'm not going to. Oh, you know, but we know why not? Okay.

[01:28:06] I'm gonna sell it with a day of your death, a little different

[01:28:08] day each year, depending on where the moon is. If that's not

[01:28:12] pagan, I'll eat my hats.

[01:28:20] I'm just really quickly going to like follow us on Instagram and

[01:28:22] then follow me on Instagram and then follow me on Instagram

[01:28:25] and then follow and Twitter and follow Brandy on Twitter and Instagram because we do not

[01:28:29] have time to say all this stuff that we are all with.

[01:28:31] And it's fine.

[01:28:32] Just go to Twitter and you'll find out what I'm doing is good.

[01:28:35] Yeah.

[01:28:36] Same here.

[01:28:37] All right.

[01:28:38] Well, thank you very much to tune in next week where we will do Terraforma part two and

[01:28:42] we'll actually have answers to who Carl is.

[01:28:50] My first thought originally was like, I don't know, because Carl did in the door man.

[01:28:53] That's not it.

[01:28:56] All right, we're in the Terran Universe.

[01:29:01] All right, live long and prosper, but we will talk to you later.

[01:29:08] Maybe infinite trek is a production of coconut MediaWorks, executive producers Bill Smith and Dan Davidson.

[01:29:10] For more great Star Trek discussion,

[01:29:12] discover the other shows of the Trek Geeks podcast network

[01:29:15] at TrekGeeks.com.

[01:29:17] Or find us in Apple podcasts, Spotify,

[01:29:20] or your favorite podcast app.