018 - Battle of the Star Trek Adjacent Stars

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[00:01:05] Hello! Welcome to Technical Difficulties.

[00:01:11] We got the audio working and that was the important part and then...

[00:01:14] Yes!

[00:01:15] ...you didn't have anything else already.

[00:01:18] It's okay. It's not your fault.

[00:01:20] It's, you know, technical issues but luckily we had Stanisth and Tilly on our side.

[00:01:25] Yep.

[00:01:26] So, in other words, us.

[00:01:28] Yeah.

[00:01:29] We were saying it's actually a pretty good analog.

[00:01:32] It's pretty close.

[00:01:35] Pretty close!

[00:01:36] Pretty close!

[00:01:37] So yes, so we got our audio up and running which I don't even know what caused that.

[00:01:43] It's fixed, so that's an important thing.

[00:01:46] And it's today is...

[00:01:52] Scavenger Day.

[00:01:53] No, we're going to have them here from...

[00:01:55] I don't know.

[00:01:56] Today is the day that we could have gone and used the pieces from that thing to maybe fix whatever our audio problem was.

[00:02:02] That junkyard of stuff.

[00:02:05] Had a lot of stuff.

[00:02:06] A lot of stuff saw a cling on badge in there.

[00:02:08] Yeah, that's true.

[00:02:10] But we saw a lot of discovery era badges for some reason which you think there'd be more, you know, TNG or maybe some other future badge.

[00:02:20] I don't know.

[00:02:21] That would have been cool to see other badges, like other...

[00:02:24] Well.

[00:02:25] Other eras.

[00:02:27] Maybe when we finally get to meet Osirah we'll see other things.

[00:02:31] I don't know.

[00:02:32] But you know she's coming.

[00:02:33] Oh yeah!

[00:02:34] Oh, she's coming.

[00:02:35] She's coming.

[00:02:36] I guess it wouldn't name drop her and then not show her without it being somebody in the...

[00:02:41] Yeah, that's true.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:43] If they named her, she's coming.

[00:02:45] Yeah, she's check off so Osirah.

[00:02:47] Yeah.

[00:02:48] Yes, exactly.

[00:02:49] That's exactly right.

[00:02:53] Yes.

[00:02:54] Before we go into the episode let's...

[00:02:57] We've got some Star Trek news to talk about this week.

[00:03:00] NG, do we do?

[00:03:01] Oh and there is one thing I was going to upload while we'll do that while we're talking.

[00:03:06] The first thing is, I think probably we should talk about Herb Solo passed away.

[00:03:12] Yeah.

[00:03:13] That was a blow.

[00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:16] Herb Solo is the person who helped pitch and basically keeps Star Trek on track with the network.

[00:03:26] And you saw him at the end of every episode his name on top of the...

[00:03:32] What is it?

[00:03:34] What are they called?

[00:03:36] It's Baylox.

[00:03:37] It's Puppet?

[00:03:38] I don't know.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:40] I don't know that it had a name.

[00:03:43] I can't remember.

[00:03:44] But yeah, it's a puppet.

[00:03:46] Yeah.

[00:03:47] But it was...

[00:03:48] That was always creep me out.

[00:03:50] So I think in my head when I was a kid I associated Herb Solo and something really scary together.

[00:03:57] I met Herb Solo like a long time ago.

[00:04:00] Yeah, just very briefly.

[00:04:01] It was one of those...

[00:04:02] I don't think I appreciated it at the time.

[00:04:05] I think I would have been more energy like talking and trying to soak up his knowledge in everything if I had.

[00:04:14] But yeah, he worked in that...

[00:04:16] He also...

[00:04:18] He was the executive charge for the two seasons once he...

[00:04:21] The show started.

[00:04:22] And he eventually went on to do like the Man from Atlantis.

[00:04:25] I think he produced a couple of other Rod and Barry productions.

[00:04:31] Yeah.

[00:04:32] So...

[00:04:33] I watched Man from Atlantis when I was a kid.

[00:04:35] Boy, Patrick Duffy was young.

[00:04:37] Yes.

[00:04:38] He was very good looking.

[00:04:40] Oh yeah.

[00:04:41] Oh yeah.

[00:04:42] Big crash on him.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:46] Man from Atlantis is one of those shows that I've went back and watched recently.

[00:04:51] And it's just like this isn't bad.

[00:04:53] If I'm making it there's 70s stuff in there that you're like,

[00:04:55] okay, we wouldn't do that that way today.

[00:04:57] Or just a little too cheesy.

[00:04:59] But if you compare it to like the $6 million man and wonder woman and stuff,

[00:05:03] there's no reason why they couldn't have got more airtime.

[00:05:06] I agree.

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:09] So unfortunately, we have lost Herb Solo.

[00:05:14] We have Anson Mount made an announcement.

[00:05:18] He...

[00:05:19] He's did on Twitter.

[00:05:22] And if you're a person who works in Star Trek is like a show that's coming out soon

[00:05:28] and you tease something,

[00:05:30] it probably should be about Star Trek.

[00:05:32] Because otherwise people might like give up their morning just because they knew

[00:05:36] that they might have some news to find out that it wasn't that big of a deal.

[00:05:41] I mean, that person might be me.

[00:05:43] I don't know.

[00:05:45] Okay.

[00:05:46] Well, guess that each person has a different definition of what a big deal is.

[00:05:50] So that's fine.

[00:05:51] You don't know.

[00:05:52] I didn't know.

[00:05:53] Well, it's interesting.

[00:05:54] He has decided that he's joining or was he asked or did he ask to join?

[00:05:59] He was invited.

[00:06:00] He was invited.

[00:06:01] He was invited to join the messaging of extraterrestrial intelligence.

[00:06:06] Medi.

[00:06:08] So he is while playing a starship captain looking for life.

[00:06:12] He is also actively sending out a hail in real life to try and find aliens.

[00:06:18] So it was for me, it was just like, oh, that's an unusual setting of expectations

[00:06:24] that got flipped.

[00:06:25] But definitely had people.

[00:06:27] I think if he hadn't done that, people wouldn't have paid as much attention.

[00:06:31] Yeah, I'm not sure that he did that purposely because he knew it would

[00:06:37] get a lot of eyes on it or whether he just was excited about it.

[00:06:41] I couldn't say he's not.

[00:06:44] I think he was just excited about it.

[00:06:46] He's not a disingenuous person from listening to his.

[00:06:52] It's not the only person who's like, yeah, in this sort of thing.

[00:06:56] We also have like for the Planetary Society, I believe that Jerry Ryan and what is wrong with my brain?

[00:07:03] The doctor from Voyager.

[00:07:05] Picardo Robert Picardo.

[00:07:07] Yeah, Robert Picardo.

[00:07:08] It are kind of on the board of directors for that planetary society.

[00:07:12] And we of course had Michelle Nichols in the 70s who was a big proponent for NASA.

[00:07:18] So there's, there's not, there's a real precedent for Star Trek actors being part of this,

[00:07:26] which is good because they bring the excitement and people into it that know it from the fictional and things.

[00:07:33] And then other people, you know, it's just the same reason that Star Trek inspires people to become scientists.

[00:07:39] Yes. Well, and I think a lot of people who have worked on Star Trek still have a passion for science even outside of that role.

[00:07:48] So you know, it's, it actually seemed like a good fit to me.

[00:07:52] And the thing that I hate most about it are the trolls are going, oh, you've got an actor who joined.

[00:07:58] You know what? You don't know Hanson Mount.

[00:08:00] You don't know what he does in his free time.

[00:08:03] He's a very intelligent person both emotionally and mentally.

[00:08:07] And you can just bite me, okay?

[00:08:09] You don't get to judge what a person does with the rest of their life just because they're an actor.

[00:08:15] Well, and actors, if you know, if you are familiar with like working actors instead of they can't just do that mostly.

[00:08:23] I mean, that has to be like it's part of their lives, but some people have other things they have to do.

[00:08:27] Or like Lisa, Lisa Kudrow from friends was like she's a has about three degrees or something like that.

[00:08:33] She's like a crazy smart person.

[00:08:36] So which is ironic even the character that she played.

[00:08:40] But yeah, I, I, yeah, and the same people who say about politics.

[00:08:45] Oh, they should stand up politics. Well then you should stand up politics too.

[00:08:48] You know, just your random person on the internet.

[00:08:51] You have even less reason for me to listen to you.

[00:08:54] Yeah, I've never understood that.

[00:08:56] Never once. I just thought wait.

[00:08:58] There's citizens of this country and they pay taxes.

[00:09:03] They vote. Therefore they can talk about politics.

[00:09:08] I think so. You would think so.

[00:09:11] Anyway, whatever.

[00:09:13] And then this is sort of a like history of news.

[00:09:17] 14 years ago, I think it was 14 years ago today.

[00:09:20] The animated series first came out on DVD.

[00:09:23] And I found, yeah.

[00:09:25] And I found a screenshot from Star Trek dot com from 2006.

[00:09:29] And it is a very different looking site.

[00:09:33] Wow.

[00:09:34] Yeah.

[00:09:35] I love that you have Adobe Flash player is blocked because I don't think the ad would have shown up anyway.

[00:09:41] That's great.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:46] But yeah, so this was.

[00:09:48] This is one most people think oh, it became canon.

[00:09:51] It never was not canon.

[00:09:52] But it was when it was put out on DVD.

[00:09:57] But it was also the first series to ever have been put out in total to begin with.

[00:10:02] It was on laser nisk and then it came to video tapes.

[00:10:05] But you had to buy all of the other series piecemeal.

[00:10:09] $50 dollars a cassette in the 80s or something was insane.

[00:10:12] And the cassette had like what two, three episodes.

[00:10:15] Yeah, exactly.

[00:10:17] I wish I had the, I did not buy any at the time because I just recorded them off the VCR.

[00:10:24] And it's like, oh, why don't you get them?

[00:10:26] I'm like, you know, I feel like one day there, there's going to be some way that you can get more of them at the same time for a less price.

[00:10:32] And yeah.

[00:10:33] So.

[00:10:34] Yeah.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:36] And and and you won out with that.

[00:10:38] You waited and it paid off.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:43] And what's great is I own them, but I also don't even have to pull them out if I don't need one too.

[00:10:49] I can just stream them.

[00:10:52] Sometimes it just depends because the my internet as you well know is sometimes.

[00:10:58] So judging by the many times I frozen.

[00:11:02] You should have frozen right there that would have been aware.

[00:11:05] I know.

[00:11:06] Internet frozen.

[00:11:10] So sometimes it's nice for me to just put a disc in besides I like having the discs because special features.

[00:11:16] I love me some special features.

[00:11:19] Yeah, that's the one thing I would say that I was disappointed in the blue ray of the animated series because everything looks much crisper because you think, oh, it's a cartoon.

[00:11:27] What does it matter?

[00:11:28] It really does.

[00:11:29] The sharpness really adds to it and except all of the special features are the exact same ones from the DVD that aren't even upscaled.

[00:11:37] So they're just like, oh, mushy.

[00:11:39] You know, I was like, all right, it looks better on the DVD and the DVD packaging was pretty awesome.

[00:11:43] In fact, I might actually have it.

[00:11:45] No, we could just.

[00:11:47] I thought I had a workshop.

[00:11:49] I was going to bring it out.

[00:11:51] But yeah, it's it's kind of this white clamshell with a transparent orange delta and stuff that we pulled some of that colors for the book actually.

[00:12:00] Nice.

[00:12:01] Yeah.

[00:12:03] So yeah, so that was a 14 years ago in 2006.

[00:12:07] Wow.

[00:12:08] Yeah.

[00:12:09] I was in my 30s then.

[00:12:11] Yeah, I was, you know, I was 36.

[00:12:16] That right now. Yes.

[00:12:18] Wow.

[00:12:19] That just seems like forever ago.

[00:12:21] I was 33.

[00:12:23] Oh, the housey on days with my 30s.

[00:12:26] Yeah.

[00:12:28] I feel like in some ways, I'm healthier now that I was, although it definitely was thinner than.

[00:12:33] Like I just trade the body shape for the and the just remix some of the things together. That would be great.

[00:12:40] Yeah.

[00:12:41] Yeah.

[00:12:42] It's all good.

[00:12:43] But yeah.

[00:12:44] Anyway.

[00:12:45] So yeah, so that's the news of the week.

[00:12:47] And do we want to talk about the things coming up on Friday now? Or do you want to wait to the end?

[00:12:51] I mean, we talked.

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:53] Yeah, that's true.

[00:12:54] So if you've been watching our, our Instagrams and our Twitter's and all that, we are having a podcasters roundtable essentially.

[00:13:10] It's called the trex giving holodeck hangout.

[00:13:14] And I have a graphic for that.

[00:13:17] And we have a bunch of really great podcasters joining us.

[00:13:23] We might not all be there at the same time, but the idea is it's just sort of a drop in that is like you're coming to a party that.

[00:13:30] You have to bring a mic and camera for I guess.

[00:13:33] And you can't eat anything that's on the table if you don't have it in front of you.

[00:13:37] So it's just like a party other than that.

[00:13:40] No, it is, it's going to be a lot of fun.

[00:13:42] We've got Kennedy Allen from women at warp, Jesse gender, Bruce Gibson and Dan Gunther from positively track.

[00:13:50] Aaron Harvey and Brandy Jackola.

[00:13:52] I never heard of them.

[00:13:54] I don't know who invited them.

[00:13:56] I don't know.

[00:13:58] Aquared.

[00:13:59] Ketwalski.

[00:14:01] Grace Moore also from women at warp Larry Nemechek, Dr. Track, who I don't think really needs much of an introduction to most people listening to this.

[00:14:09] Steve Shives and Bill Smith from some Trek Geeks network.

[00:14:15] No, never heard of that.

[00:14:18] Maybe we could put a podcast on that network that might be coming.

[00:14:21] Oh, hey, that's a good idea.

[00:14:22] We got to get in touch with that bill guy.

[00:14:23] See what he didn't do.

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:26] So we're going to it's noon to three the day after Thanksgiving.

[00:14:30] And it is just going to eat all this talking and we've got the chat room.

[00:14:37] And what's really cool is we're being sponsored by fan sets, which are show here is also sponsored by them and you can get 15% off if you go to their site and put in the code infinite trek.

[00:14:52] And we are have been given a bunch of pins to give away.

[00:14:58] So I am super excited.

[00:15:01] I have to do.

[00:15:03] We're going to do some trivia and we'll give give that out to the audience.

[00:15:07] My friend and co producer of night shift, Ian Carroll is going to be our moderator in the chat room.

[00:15:14] So I secured that too because we definitely want somebody there to help figure out who answered first or end also you know to guard against.

[00:15:24] Spam trolls.

[00:15:26] Yeah, trolls.

[00:15:28] I was watching one YouTube channel the other day and it was just like suddenly it was just message after message for like buy these sunglasses.

[00:15:36] What?

[00:15:38] So the person's like well, I'm trying to close them as they pop up and that was fun.

[00:15:45] And they finally blocked it and then another bot of the same thing came in and it's just like.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:52] But we're also being sponsored by Trek Geeks outpost 13 and portal 47.

[00:15:57] So they're all yeah giving us support and we're going to be broadcasting over Twitter, Instagram and Instagram Twitter, Facebook and YouTube.

[00:16:08] And then later it will be rerun here on outpost 13.

[00:16:12] And if you want any more information, you can go to trek alliance.org and that is our the group that we've kind of created for all of us coming together occasionally and kind of being a group and podcasting.

[00:16:27] Yeah.

[00:16:28] And if this works out well, I'm fingers crossed, I would like to make this sort of a regular thing. I don't know what the regularity will be but maybe once a quarter every other month or something like that.

[00:16:39] I'm sure we can figure out something to tie it to once a quarter.

[00:16:44] Oh yeah, no, I've got tons of like ideas of just.

[00:16:48] Of course you do.

[00:16:50] Well, you know, we can do a starships and then get like the people who like to really nerd out and talk about the starship details, the art of star Trek because there's a lot of podcasters who also do artwork.

[00:17:02] And we've got you know, women of Trek so we can bring in women at work and a bunch of other people.

[00:17:06] We've got gain lesbian issues. There's just there's just a lot of buckets that we can bring in which is cool because it's not just you and me talking.

[00:17:14] It's yeah, a bunch of people and a lot of different viewpoints. It's sort of like mushing together the unready room and this show and four other shows and coming up with this brand new thing what kind of like a.

[00:17:25] It's almost like a federation of podcasters.

[00:17:28] Imagine that it's not because I think somebody else use that.

[00:17:32] Oh well, yeah, that's okay, but yeah, so it's pretty exciting.

[00:17:38] So yeah, join us Friday the 27th from noon to three Pacific and hang out and maybe win some pins.

[00:17:45] And when he says a bunch, he's not kidding. He told me how many there were and I about fell on the floor.

[00:17:51] Yeah, so there is was one of those like okay now I have to it's not just like here are four pins and that'll be easy to monitor.

[00:17:57] Now it's just like how what? Okay, how many times we're going to have to do trivvy to hand these out.

[00:18:04] Also be giving away one of my books.

[00:18:07] Yes, that's the other thing that we've talked about so I already have your animated series.

[00:18:14] I know that was the reason how many people actually have it.

[00:18:19] So I guess if they if you don't have it and you want to win it then that would be cool.

[00:18:24] It's a real guys you want to win it take it from someone who is not just blow and smoke up errands but you need this book.

[00:18:33] Thank you.

[00:18:35] I'm going to give them a battle of the Star Trek adjacent stars.

[00:18:40] Hi, I'm going to feel that game and I'm pointing his knife.

[00:18:46] Oh my god, that's why I married him is the things like that he makes me laugh and smile every single day of our lives.

[00:18:55] That's great.

[00:18:57] That is so fun.

[00:18:59] We also had somebody tweet that we are this group of people is are the captains of the positive, which I thought was really nice to hear.

[00:19:08] I was like okay, that's cool.

[00:19:09] Like I'll take that too.

[00:19:11] Yeah, definitely.

[00:19:13] Yeah, I'm not sure if it's right.

[00:19:15] Yeah.

[00:19:17] It's a very cool, very nice. I like that.

[00:19:21] So, shall we move into our review of scavengers?

[00:19:26] Maybe not as positive.

[00:19:29] Well, I'm the one who's in the minority this time because I saw things a lot differently than other people seem to have.

[00:19:39] Okay, well that's good.

[00:19:41] I think for like if I just give my little brief overall thing is that the parts are greater than the whole instead of the reverse where sometimes the hole is greater than the parts.

[00:19:50] There are a lot of great moments, but there's also a big chunk of plot that could have come out of literally like hundreds of television shows with the only change being that the person who was they were saving actually lived.

[00:20:08] That is like okay, that was a twist I guess the end or end survived great otherwise it felt like it was we were going after a Macuffin thing that's going to fix the other Macuffin.

[00:20:19] And then we got oh yeah, and then we'll go through this but I also have lots of thoughts about book booker and Michael.

[00:20:29] Okay.

[00:20:32] So I've been holding that all in all weeks.

[00:20:36] All right, just vomit it out all over me on.

[00:20:41] We probably should explain a little bit just for people I don't know if we really need to how much review we need to do because people listening to this show have obviously already seen the episode.

[00:20:52] Yes, and if they have a wide view is that the discovery is getting refitted and they also see cool new gadgets.

[00:21:02] Michael has got a message from a booker that he's being held captive while he was looking for what what do you call a black box that was like the revelation that the the the the the what you call it the burn had an origin point.

[00:21:21] Yeah, I mean I don't think anybody actually thought that it literally just came from everywhere at once it had if it came from someone had to come from something.

[00:21:31] I don't know it just it felt it felt like a big reveal for something that wasn't really that interesting.

[00:21:38] Well the way that it's been presented to us thus far has been that all ships at warp with dilithium workhorse exploded at the same time right and I feel like if there is a difference in time of where when it started.

[00:21:59] That that is going to be you know like micro seconds but it's still going to be a difference instead of everything happening at once right so that means I imagine that wouldn't you think that if you were in this world in the world of the 30 second center 30th century at that point I guess.

[00:22:18] 30 second century no but I mean when it happened when it's happened 30th century well it was what 120 inches yeah so not right now but like 100 years before what were plus were watching so it was 30 60 there about because it's 31 88 now so it's around 30 68 that it happened yeah so the 31st century yeah.

[00:22:41] Well actually 31 89 now it was 31 88 when Michael got there is 31 89 now oh all right well it's it's a wake closer to that than any further point so their sciences that much more advanced I don't believe that anybody when this happened would have been.

[00:23:00] It happened all at one time I mean I would think that they were monitoring which clearly that's what these black boxes are would have had been oh.

[00:23:09] There there was an origin point but it's just so microscopic and maybe you know this is the one thing that that kind of is weird to me is like they.

[00:23:18] If they could just talk to all these people they probably could figure it out.

[00:23:22] I mean what if we had a ship that could like appear anywhere and like fix the relay system of communications I mean wouldn't that be amazing oh wait we do.

[00:23:33] That was that should be the very first priority is to reestablish sub-says communications with everybody yeah but I kind of understand why they haven't done that yet because when they have situations no that's not what I'm saying.

[00:23:49] They have a lot of fires that they're still pulling out pulling out not pulling out and discovery is there only ship that can get their instantaneously and if something happens in the beta quadrant you know discoveries the only ship that's going to be able to get there and what if they can't get in touch with her because she's too far away fix and relays.

[00:24:10] So I'm just saying there's a big bit of logic to that plus the Federation and Starfleet are still in the mindset of they've been in triage for a really long time and they are not yet used to the fact that they have this resource that can help them with their communication problems but they literally bring it up every episode that we've seen them so that's kind of like where like why.

[00:24:34] Why isn't someone on the ship even said hey you know what we can do that because the NXO one built the original like subspace relays if they can do it then you know and they could also start to have done it with just the ships they have I don't know it feels like they're like yeah it's triage but it's 120 years later that's a lot of triage for really long time well yeah because they've basically been under siege I mean they have to hide in a distortion field I guess so.

[00:25:02] I feel like and there's not a lot of goodwill towards the Federation that's true yeah so you might somebody might just destroy the the the buoys as soon as they put them up yeah that's also my thought that was also another thought that I had and they would be going into space where they have no idea what to expect all they had to do is have like a line about that though they're like oh we can help you with that here's why we don't want to do that okay maybe

[00:25:26] there was a line and it was cut for time you don't know well that that's was weird to me that episode five and six seems like they're they were both pitched as an episode to be the same thing and had different direction slightly and one had Michael.

[00:25:42] You know learning the lesson and so did the other one but with a different outcome and then they decided to shoot both of them even though they kind of don't I mean I sure that's not what happened but it feels

[00:25:53] like we covered a lot of ground that we did the week before but then people took the opposite viewpoint.

[00:25:59] Hmm I don't know I felt like this cover different ground because we didn't have a Dira in the last episode

[00:26:08] well yes sorry I meant the Michael okay the Michael stuff yeah the thing is Michael is still trying to figure out

[00:26:18] in her mind she's trying to figure out how she fits in and she is you know she

[00:26:29] a few episodes ago was ambivalent about accepting the first officer job yeah and I'm just saying that

[00:26:39] which is what she also apparently still roommates with Tilly so she might have reservations about that.

[00:26:43] No I don't know when she's never going to have reservations about being roommates with Tilly because Tilly is her best friend in the world.

[00:26:53] Is she still yes okay she is she is their friendship may have changed and evolved but they're still besties

[00:27:03] okay because cake is eternal it is it is chocolate chip cookies more so but that's just me

[00:27:13] I you know it depends on the chocolate chip really yeah well the cake is done too it's like this

[00:27:20] it's a pretty bad cake well oh sorry for me it's it's yellow cake chocolate frosting the only way to go

[00:27:28] that that's just my own personal favorite okay every day yeah I kind of a kind of a yellow cake with

[00:27:36] like a raspberry filling it's okay oh you don't like raspberry okay no I'm allergic to raspberry

[00:27:42] you think we'll kill me hey this is this is like the episode of of the lower decks when they're

[00:27:49] he was trying to figure out what cookies to bring the captain's like raspberries yeah it's very bad

[00:27:56] it's very bad the first time we found that out I was 19 and it was horrible I have have you ever had

[00:28:03] hives on every surface of your skin yeah I have some allergies yes yeah I've never had hives on my

[00:28:12] eyelids before it's not fun no everything hurts I had that and then it I my throat started to

[00:28:18] constrict that's the worst part you can't breathe yeah yeah that is so scary the doctor it was so

[00:28:25] weird this here's a side journey into my my well how I found out that I was allergic to

[00:28:31] uh coding so I was given some sort of cold medicine for what had coding in it and I became

[00:28:40] ultra hyper like my mom's like what is wrong with you and I jumped off our deck in the backyard

[00:28:46] it was snowing so I landed in snow but my mom's like what is wrong with you and then she brought

[00:28:50] me she's like what's going on with your skin and then everything started breaking out and then

[00:28:54] my throat started constricting so it it made me slightly crazy and then I had this reaction so

[00:29:00] oh that's terrifying and that was when I was a teenager so I don't know if they'd given it to me

[00:29:04] before then so it seemed like either it it over time built up or or something I don't know it was

[00:29:12] that was not fun but yes I know what the hives feel like and yeah I never actually eaten a raspberry

[00:29:17] before because I didn't like the smell of them so it was just yeah exactly my body was hand poison

[00:29:25] please don't eat that and my my father's mother had a strawberry slash raspberry patch in her backyard

[00:29:32] and they would always want me to pick raspberries I wouldn't even touch him I was like no I don't

[00:29:37] like this smell of them and it was my pick either they're just squishy yeah and my mother it's my

[00:29:43] mother's fault that we found out I was allergic to raspberries because she had to brought I was still

[00:29:50] living at home at 19 yeah yeah yeah yeah and she had brought home like these decadent muffins and she

[00:29:57] says you've got to have a bite of this it's amazing and I said what is it and she says it's a

[00:30:01] chocolate raspberry muffin and I said you know I don't like raspberries and she says oh you've never

[00:30:06] even eaten a raspberry you have a bite of this and you know she can get very insistent when she

[00:30:11] wants to be and I knew she wouldn't leave me alone and so I took a bite of it immediately it's

[00:30:17] disgusting to me and I spat most of it back out and and she thought I was just being overly dramatic

[00:30:25] yeah so but overnight the hives started and broke out all over my body and I can remember like

[00:30:33] scratching my head in my sleep and going why do I have mosquito bites on my head and then

[00:30:40] I got up in the morning to go to work and I've got hives everywhere and I went up to show my mother

[00:30:47] and I said look what you've done to me I have a food sensitivity not like an allergy to mushrooms

[00:30:56] and my dad was like didn't believe it so they put some mushrooms in something and that was not

[00:31:03] a fun day he's like oh I guess you weren't you weren't just being like you know dramatic

[00:31:10] yeah folks just believe your kids yeah and they say that they have a problem with food.

[00:31:15] That's the other thing like like do you think that I just fooled the doctor yeah people are weird

[00:31:21] yes they are so what what what do you want to concentrate on first we want to talk about sort of the

[00:31:28] kind of the there's a B and C plot really kind of I guess there's A B C and D D yeah there's a lot

[00:31:35] of different E F cheese um well I love the thing about the whole the ships and the refit

[00:31:42] and everybody getting his technology oh that's the best yeah yeah again they're all excited like we are

[00:31:49] yes I know that would be totally could you imagine having a badge that you could just like

[00:31:53] have your hologram of your phone and all this stuff that you normally just have to hold that

[00:31:57] would be fantastic mm-hmm a tricorder scanner um transfer yeah and communication and all of those

[00:32:08] things wow I like that I want one of those what I love about the the badge transporter is that

[00:32:14] you double tap it the way you double tap your ear pods I mean it's like it's it's very there's

[00:32:18] a like oh a familiarity to what they're doing you know like the double tap and the idea of Linus

[00:32:24] just popping up everywhere was just that was so good it's the best

[00:32:31] the citizen engineering yeah where I was standing like don't do that it's like I'm sorry new badge

[00:32:40] bye yeah that was fun that was uh and I did the new apple badge i badge

[00:32:49] uh

[00:32:52] that's from Dave and I yeah we both have our pods so yeah they're they're naming convention now though it

[00:32:58] would be the apple badge they wouldn't have the eye on it their face yeah yeah it would be

[00:33:03] yeah because before it would have just been the eye badge i badge exactly apple

[00:33:08] badge apple badge i think because they figured out that anybody can kind of use i

[00:33:13] mm-hmm and it was used for a lot of other things at the time so it wasn't

[00:33:18] indeed it wasn't unique they probably just got tired of trying to go after people in court

[00:33:23] can't use that i mean maybe they still would I wouldn't if somebody came out with an eye

[00:33:27] something i wonder if they would still be like nope that's still ours

[00:33:31] mm-hmm which is not using it i don't know if you can copyright a letter but anyway

[00:33:35] no um they would try i'm assuming yeah so i've heard that some people

[00:33:43] don't like the a on discovery registry let's say i'll bring here say and screen part of the

[00:33:51] the newly detached missiles and i call the tron legacy version of the story thank you

[00:34:01] i'm like wow it's so tron am i covered tron and that's how i met neville page um who designs a

[00:34:07] bunch of stuff which makes me wonder how much of that is actually neville page mmm but i don't

[00:34:12] he's not he's not doing like the industrial design of discovery so probably not but

[00:34:19] if you notice also that they have a lot of ships that have like three or four lights just sort

[00:34:24] of in a row from some purpose they're like it's they're just randomly put on the ships like

[00:34:31] on the missiles there's like three missile three lights on one side just like little

[00:34:36] porch lights almost or something they're so you know if people do like a because i get i don't

[00:34:44] know people didn't like them putting an a on it says it wasn't an entirely new ship but

[00:34:49] it feels like a lot more incompletely new yeah it's more of a refit than than some of the other

[00:34:55] ships that they've done yeah well and here here is my head cannon on that since according to

[00:35:01] Starfleet and Federation records discovery was destroyed yeah that means this is for all

[00:35:09] intense and purposes a new discovery yeah so it actually it didn't bother me at all it's just one

[00:35:16] of those things like oh it's an a now that's so cute and now i'm carrying all these rumblings but

[00:35:22] i don't like the a just here to me it's like what are the things you die what a thing to

[00:35:29] be have that bead that you're held a di on it just well you know um i just glad it didn't come out

[00:35:35] all sovereignty no i don't want to look like a sovereign class but i was good from lower decks

[00:35:44] yeah no it's so it's so pretty it's still it's still my girl it's still my girl yeah and i'm really

[00:35:50] glad to see that Stargate Atlantis is still canon i know right that makes me very happy a ship flying

[00:35:58] over the the refit but looked an awful lot like a puddle jumper from Stargate Atlantis yeah a lot

[00:36:07] a lot even the back door like the little thing that pops down in the back it's just yeah so well

[00:36:13] there there is a connection because Connor Trenier did guest star on a couple episodes of Stargate

[00:36:20] Atlantis so it's a race he was the race but what was it like Todd the Todd Todd Todd the race oh no

[00:36:26] was it Todd because i thought Todd the race was um Christopher Hare doll's character so oh

[00:36:34] I could be wrong I could be wrong I could be wrong someone who knows Stargate Atlantis that is

[00:36:40] I looked it up real quick yes that's so i don't know what he played did he have a name I

[00:36:45] I'm sure that he did but i don't remember it unfortunately you're like they gave him

[00:36:50] like a good thing named like kind of like that like Steve the the race or yeah uh he had been

[00:36:56] I mean like they restored him to his original form so you know he wasn't Rathy

[00:37:04] after that but he is so kind of Rathy in the head I guess it's been a while since I've seen one yeah

[00:37:12] did was he impersonating a human to start with

[00:37:17] this is Michael Kenmore that's what he's playing in i m db

[00:37:21] mm-hmm I don't know okay uh but no I think it was that he had been turned into a race maybe

[00:37:29] that I think I think that was one of those big reveals that the race weren't all an original species

[00:37:35] but had absorbed other species some sort of thing like that it's been a long time I'm sorry

[00:37:40] yeah it was 2006 you watch that and then you went out and got your animated series

[00:37:46] guess i did that's exactly right and i was in my house on 30s and I don't remember everything

[00:37:52] that happened back then okay guys i'm sorry uh yes oh and the one one thing I noticed when we

[00:37:59] were looking at the uh the inside of the ship there is a um a blueprint uh like on the screen

[00:38:06] that is not only not the discovery but after it has been refitted it is the discovery from before

[00:38:13] the show started when it had squatna cells and kind of a more squishy body and yeah I don't

[00:38:20] exactly know how that happened mm-hmm but that was it was in season one I saw that i'm like oh the

[00:38:25] good thing is by you know they can just take that out of the next season no there's brought back

[00:38:30] for season three maybe somebody was on the console looking up old ships and like oh this

[00:38:41] was the history of start the starship discovery and this was one of its original designs

[00:38:45] but they decided you elongate them so that's that's starfleet was as they're

[00:38:51] upgrading to the programmable pattern so if they just found that in the database and that was

[00:38:54] just sitting on the screen there yeah that's good yeah sure i'm that's my head can there you go

[00:38:59] it works for me I love everybody's reaction to the programmable matter too and uh they they gave um

[00:39:08] a woesha can like a really good description like so we could actually like oh it's it's smooth

[00:39:12] like glass and and just the idea of uh stamens when uh adira re engineered his uh a connection to the

[00:39:21] sport drive it's like it's like it's like goo but when you pull out it's completely dry and gone yeah no

[00:39:28] residue no residue i wonder if they just shot that backwards because it's not in good and

[00:39:34] unless it's all 3d it could all be 3d it looks really good though it looks really convincing no it

[00:39:40] does really yeah so and that's kind of like they have gel like that but you you you for sanitizing

[00:39:47] or something like that where you and suddenly it's just it's dry it's a weird feeling to go

[00:39:51] feel like liquid to dry and you're like it's still your brain kind of tells you it's still there

[00:39:55] even if it's not mm-hmm yeah i can still feel it yes exactly but no i really loved uh just the

[00:40:04] reaction to that and uh i know that hollow pads so oh and there's this is uh um been seen on some

[00:40:13] of the screens this is the new starfleet logo so i like it yeah and i realized that

[00:40:21] that was the logo that was on the little cardboard thing that they mailed us for the premiere

[00:40:26] because i'm just like we've never seen this logo where is this and it's like suddenly oh it showed

[00:40:29] up in this episode that's how i was able to actually have one on screen because i just scanned it in

[00:40:34] and yeah you had to wait till almost halfway through to find out yeah oh no i figured that would

[00:40:38] happen i thought oh this will be the new starfleet but when we saw starfleet we didn't really see

[00:40:42] that the first time yeah so yeah it would make a very nice pin i wonder if it's a yeah it would

[00:40:49] i wonder um what when that's coming i'm assuming it will be coming it will be coming absolutely yeah

[00:40:57] so so yeah so they there was the whole that was great um we also got a lot of um

[00:41:05] adira and blue or gray sorry yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

[00:41:12] colors yes blue gray green purple orange no i just i really like adira and standats together

[00:41:22] they have a really good me too i love these like everything's in chaos oh those kids and they're chaos

[00:41:32] i can almost imagine like she's channeling an older trail like symbiote yeah absolutely probably

[00:41:39] center yeah it almost sounded a little bit like she was doing uh take nitaro too um just a tiny bit

[00:41:48] um yeah i i i i could see them like ganging up on stamens like let's do like venae

[00:41:55] yeah yeah well and it's interesting because that scene when she's basically sitting in the floor

[00:42:01] and she's talking to gray yeah and gray's talking about how okay why aren't we making new memories

[00:42:08] together why are why are all the only places i've seen or where you eat sleep and work there's

[00:42:13] bachi there's like a tennis court you know basketball court all these things and

[00:42:21] and i just thought yep that's more support for my argument that this is not your typical interacting

[00:42:26] with memories thing yeah which makes me wonder if the ship that they were on was not rather

[00:42:31] that it was a generational ship they think they would they would have all that stuff more than

[00:42:35] the discovery it seems like the discovery is more amazing to her than uh to adira not adira to

[00:42:43] blue to what is wrong with me i'm not being named gray i'm mixing solar groups of memories and gray

[00:42:50] they think that this is more exciting than you know when it was the anyway yes uh i kind of wish

[00:42:59] that maybe we'll get flashbacks to when they were on that ship i'd be interested to see more of

[00:43:03] what that was like yeah i wouldn't mind seeing more of that as well uh i really do love a couple of

[00:43:11] things about the whole stammett's and adira interaction first of all his very heartfelt thank you

[00:43:17] yeah after she shows him the new interface for the sport drive wouldn't you be happy to

[00:43:23] that you would have a good dinner just just the anyone thought to do that and then later on she's

[00:43:29] she you know she unzips his sleeve and looks at the shunt and it's like i think i can help you with this too

[00:43:35] um but also when stammett sees her talking to no one and goes and sits with her yeah and gets her

[00:43:45] to tell him what is going on and he doesn't think it's strange i mean he like he doesn't react

[00:43:52] poorly which is great yeah he's just like okay or unbelieving maybe because he's seen things

[00:43:59] yeah he has seen things that anyone else would be like no yeah no wait you're wait your partner was

[00:44:09] dead but isn't but a mushroom that's where he put his shoes yeah um no yeah he's he's far more welcoming

[00:44:19] to that and i like the what he says about you know he's used to see life and death as these sort of

[00:44:26] finding things and that there's not just those two things they're not right so singular

[00:44:34] that he used way better words than i am right no i yeah i don't have it written down the one thing I

[00:44:39] did write down is he said my understanding of trill dot dot dot and just like um unless this is

[00:44:45] new knowledge that you just gained you don't have an understanding of trill because nobody knew in your

[00:44:50] era that they had symbiants in them so it must have been he just learned sphere data sphere data

[00:44:58] but nobody knew when that that it's a roux broke it to to michael and then so yeah but isn't that

[00:45:05] what the sort of data is for him oh maybe i'm assuming that once they find out that he's a trill

[00:45:11] she probably he probably did some kind of research yeah i mean she'd just go to computer and look

[00:45:18] at him up yeah um which is weird because they also have future knowledge if that sphere data

[00:45:24] no they don't it's just up to that point right oh wait it is just up to that point then maybe i don't know

[00:45:32] what there weren't trill in discovery time no there were but the but they didn't they certainly

[00:45:38] unless the the sphere data went to their planet and downloaded their you know secret files and stuff

[00:45:46] wait that was not something that was broadcast to anybody outside of their planet

[00:45:51] the sphere had been around for over a hundred thousand years and had traveled the galaxy

[00:45:57] it had knowledge of caminar at its very beginnings and so there's no reason why it wouldn't

[00:46:04] have knowledge of trill as well and this that was just me taking part a little tiny thing it was

[00:46:09] just one of the where you know where it's something just read the little bit like that doesn't okay

[00:46:14] whatever yeah it did not affect the whole scene at all and the scene was really beautiful

[00:46:19] it was really beautiful and and and that travels into that scene that Stanislaus has with

[00:46:24] Culber when he's talking about edira trusting him that day just their interaction with each other

[00:46:32] and you know it was it was a beautiful thing and it just made me so warm and fuzzy and

[00:46:40] they could only have have heartfelt conversations when they're in their maroon pajamas yeah

[00:46:46] yep and they're getting ready for bed that's when the heart fucks come in

[00:46:52] I did for Halloween I had the the little tiny discovery pin and the maroon like

[00:46:58] went to the winter target and found one that worked and like I'm having really comfortable

[00:47:04] Halloween thing this costume this year so yeah no I just I just really loved that positive

[00:47:11] interaction between partners and it wouldn't have mattered what gender they are but it's especially

[00:47:17] wonderful that they are you know portrait as just normal this is just normal because it is just

[00:47:24] normal you guys it is normal real quick a flashback to our previous conversation about Connor

[00:47:31] here in the great Patrick said uh Michael Kenmore was an alias that tripped used in the last

[00:47:37] Romulan war book so that's fantastic oh my goodness wow connections the references it's just

[00:47:49] that's the beauty of sci-fi in general is that they will reference each other all the time and I

[00:47:53] love it it makes me happy guy flagman or whatever he was in

[00:47:57] um uh what am I trying to say oh in galaxy quest was a character in one of the recent

[00:48:06] Star Trek books which was hilarious not not got actually it was rock but the character I think

[00:48:12] was the was the character so just his his reaction and I think it was was uh

[00:48:18] Jordi is just like what what is wrong with this guy kind of a thing was like you are weird

[00:48:22] I don't think he said it quite like that but Jordi isn't really known for being completely

[00:48:28] tactful about things that he doesn't really understand or care about yeah so yeah long story short

[00:48:36] I am looking forward to seeing more adira and scammits and I love the side I like like the

[00:48:43] Ryan yeah oh yeah yeah I like like that's where where that actor's chop started coming out

[00:48:52] because before that it's just a lot of pleasant smiling to me that's what I was like I was never

[00:48:56] getting like uh I don't I didn't get the personality didn't get into but I just love the three of them

[00:49:01] kind of bouncing back and forth and her being the translator so I think that was that was a lot of fun

[00:49:07] it was indeed I I look forward to whatever change closed when it's a memory um I guess he can

[00:49:16] appear however he wants yeah I'm just curious it's like I don't know it's gonna be like Lisa Simpson

[00:49:21] where it's the same outfit over again it's like well you're stuck in that outfit for the entire

[00:49:27] series yeah that's the one you died in so I'm afraid this one you have to appear in now those are

[00:49:33] the rules at least it doesn't have bloody marks on it that could then that is true that would be

[00:49:37] traumatic yeah uh so should we move into sort of the main uh quote unquote main story

[00:49:46] sure with with Michael uh getting them oh we we see uh bookership arrive and on screen is grudge

[00:49:56] just part of grudge that part of grudge well because the screen closed that play did they ran it

[00:50:01] backwards because the cat was like yeah so I don't know if it was supposed to imply that grudge

[00:50:06] was the one who pushed the button or grudge was just like what is this flashing you know because

[00:50:11] that was the only thing I'm like well maybe there's more to grudge if the cat is actually

[00:50:16] using the communication system grudge is a queen yeah cats can be trained it's just whether or not

[00:50:23] they'll do what you want them to do on command true so they can learn things yeah that's true maybe

[00:50:30] they she just he she was taught how to push this button or whatever if there's trouble or he

[00:50:37] doesn't show up and yeah probably just said this is where food comes from yeah what is it we were

[00:50:44] cancer yeah exactly um I just love that that uh tillie is like picking up uh when Michael is

[00:50:51] not on the ship picking up grudge just like did you eat her yeah yeah uh uh yeah it isn't scale but

[00:51:00] she does strike me as like I don't know what the whole blob and like just like this is not that bad

[00:51:05] not a real weight she's just large when you stretch her out it's like this I mean that cat is really big

[00:51:18] I do love that Mary Weisman had to pretend to not like cats because she loves cats

[00:51:24] I mean she has a cat she has a cat so uh she has posted stories about her cat before on

[00:51:31] Twitter and Instagram so she does love cats so it was just funny with and she did very well I think

[00:51:38] yeah for training the I am uncomfortable around cats thing and a hey bud like she's like trying to

[00:51:44] use that as a a cute did in deter uh you know in term of endearment but clearly is like I'm just

[00:51:51] using that because I don't want to get attached to or deal with whatever you are yeah it was weird

[00:51:58] she picked him up and then or picked her up and then uh just then let her down and like

[00:52:05] well no grudge just go back and start going down her back and I'm pretty sure that

[00:52:13] that was non intentional that they were basically just like just go with whatever the cat does

[00:52:19] and you know that would be hard to train that specific movement I would imagine

[00:52:23] so I'm pretty sure that about half that scene was ad lib it was great it was it was so so basically

[00:52:32] Michael grabbed philipa and because she she got this message from Booker I'm in trouble

[00:52:38] I've got this I found your your Mcuffin detector your black box um I almost stopped calling

[00:52:46] that sorry uh and she goes to Saru which at least she went to Saru the first time she did at least

[00:52:53] try and say hey this is important and he's like nope we have to be on standby in case we have to

[00:52:59] to jump somewhere and so she grabs philipa I was like this is an unsanctioned mission and

[00:53:06] da da da da da da and then she walks away it's like well are are you like what's wrong philipa

[00:53:12] you know he's just like you had me an unsanctioned mission yeah well the the thing is is that

[00:53:19] book said that he had found it he didn't say that he'd been captured because at that point he

[00:53:25] hadn't yeah but he obviously did and he said you know if I'm not back yeah if I'm not back in

[00:53:32] a couple of days then I'm sending the ship and grudge to you etc and that had been three weeks

[00:53:40] so she knew something was wrong she knew something was wrong and for her time was of the essence

[00:53:47] it's been three weeks is even still alive and right I think honestly that was her first concern and

[00:53:53] the black box information was secondary yeah but she made it sound like but she did

[00:54:00] it's more like yeah she reversed that in her external communications so I really enjoyed

[00:54:11] you know there and back their philipa and michael's banter because you can see that how

[00:54:19] that universe in both of the universes how they both would have interacted with their their

[00:54:25] respective philipas and I just love when she's just like it's like I didn't love here

[00:54:32] and you just see look on on her face it was so comedic it was like it let her be a real person for

[00:54:38] half a second and you said love here no I didn't yes you know love here just the way she said it was

[00:54:46] just like I said live here yeah and then she wandered which is like like you're you're a range

[00:54:54] of emotion runs from cranky to homicidal so she walks over to get like a espresso which she when

[00:55:02] I turn on the caption because at that point philipa had gone into her like trance state and we're

[00:55:08] having flashbacks to someone named son being killed or probably dead I slowed it down and I grabbed

[00:55:16] a couple frames there's a frame of mirror michael from the back with philipa on like I don't know

[00:55:23] if that point she was the emperor or not but it kind of looked like it and you know so she's

[00:55:31] she's going through that and she's in if you put on the captions she's like I don't even know why I'm

[00:55:37] getting coffee my heart's already racing a million miles a minute it's like she's like espresso

[00:55:45] yeah that yeah that flashback it kind of helps support my initial feeling that she is reliving past

[00:55:58] trauma that she that's a theme of this this episode really there's a whole lot it's the season

[00:56:05] yeah dealing with trauma because it's trauma is a very real life thing and there isn't a person on

[00:56:14] this planet that can't relate to that especially after this year uh huh yeah yeah yeah so it's great

[00:56:23] that we're getting it from all these different angles and different approaches and how people

[00:56:26] different people you know and she's like the stoic you know I'm not going to you know don't help me

[00:56:32] uh and the fact that she she points out it's like I I trusted somebody named Michael before

[00:56:38] and look where that got me so I I feel like she is lashing out because she is scared and she does not

[00:56:46] want to appear weak yep and so she her her crankiness has turned up to 11 now so I cannot say that

[00:56:56] I've never experienced that going through like health issues no I I've never experienced that either at all

[00:57:04] ever it's just so foreign I don't even understand how the emotion I know it's not like that I

[00:57:11] it's not like I experience sexism almost every single day of my life so you know I don't know what I

[00:57:16] have to be upset about it all no trauma here yeah I was just talking about my surgery stuff

[00:57:26] I wasn't even going into like you know the the greater oh I know I have greater trauma than that

[00:57:32] that was just the one that I felt was sanitized for your convenience yeah I mean that actually

[00:57:39] would be an interesting conversation to have just trauma in Star Trek in general like what

[00:57:45] how the different people different characters and different eras handle that because clearly

[00:57:51] you know in the TOS era it was very much like man up and don't don't deal with it kind of there

[00:57:59] wasn't even a counselor on the ships yeah so but yeah the doctor was kind of the counselor to in a way

[00:58:06] it was just like there's something like your bartender is basically your counselor

[00:58:10] well they do mention that in the cage you know that people will tell their bartender things

[00:58:17] they wouldn't tell their doctor so that's true I'm really curious to see who is going to play

[00:58:24] the doctor I am curious about many things I have seen some videos that actually

[00:58:35] Cat Walzky sent me about casting auditions for other characters on the ship and I actually

[00:58:42] found that very interesting again going with a diversity so I really appreciated that because

[00:58:49] they were both for female characters and they were both people of color so I just thought I

[00:58:55] am looking forward to this even more now yeah yeah so we did basically the plot line that we were

[00:59:07] talking about that they go to the planet they run into an Orion who's as you mentioned has his

[00:59:15] is Ant is that right yes yeah is in control of this whole syndicate and this is this is what he

[00:59:24] looks like without his makeup on so we have a very it's interesting I did not expect his his hair

[00:59:31] to be more like really close shaven and which I guess makes it could very easy to put on a wig then

[00:59:38] and all the stuff the prosthetics yeah he had a really emo hair yeah well it fits that character

[00:59:49] really it's weird that you could say that that haircut fits this person but it really does it does

[00:59:57] yeah so he's you know the kind of the cookie cutter bad guy who's semi incompetent and kills people

[01:00:05] to keep them in line and there's another person that bookers there with his name Rin

[01:00:14] Rin Rin a a and Dorian who's had both of his his antennae shaved off and he's trying to save him and by

[01:00:24] the way that is played by Mary Weissman's husband who is who is it was a super game there's pictures

[01:00:29] of him at Star Trek Convention so I'm sure like a dream come true he's been a nerd since he was very

[01:00:36] young because he made a little compilation video and put it up on Twitter after the episode dropped

[01:00:43] and he's got some pictures oh it's so great you you see him it like as an adolescent like probably

[01:00:50] preteen years or just early teen years and a lot of the time he's with his mom so his mom who's

[01:00:57] taking him around to all these conventions and she just looks so happy as much as he did and I

[01:01:04] just like this is great that's thing well it's like a Star Trek family now you know Mary it is

[01:01:13] forget his name his name is Noah thank you Oliver it's like a cut yeah he just goes by Noah

[01:01:24] a K on Twitter because he by his own admission his last name is very long so yeah you do want to

[01:01:31] use a ball the characters he's he's a deer he's a he's a deer person and very interactive

[01:01:39] like all the sudden Al fans know who he is and he's got a whole new level of Twitter presence

[01:01:46] yeah so and he's just so he's been so kind to everybody and I am a pre I really love the interactions

[01:01:53] between him and Doug Jones over this because there's this one picture that he calls the prom photo

[01:01:58] oh

[01:02:00] where he dug a standing behind him in the Saroo costume and kind of had his arm around him and Noah's

[01:02:07] got his back to him they're both staring at the camera like this

[01:02:09] sorry

[01:02:12] it's amazing

[01:02:15] great oh so much joy so much joy and and he's gotten so many good responses from that video

[01:02:23] and he and Doug Jones have kept that conversation going he's like if there's a care for this I

[01:02:28] do not want it

[01:02:32] that's what I love about this this cast I think more than yes like not that the other ones aren't

[01:02:36] family and friendly stuff but they're there's something about this that was instantly they like

[01:02:41] they gelled and you don't hear any there's not even whispers of like oh so and so it doesn't really

[01:02:47] like so and so you know there's just you know there's not really any of that I mean it could exist

[01:02:52] I suppose but they're very good at hiding it if there is but no they're doing dnd together

[01:02:59] got it hard which I'm actually wanting to talk to outpost 13 and see if we can get them to do

[01:03:03] in dnd show here and yeah just it was just fantastic oh speaking of outpost 13 real quick before

[01:03:14] I forget if you watch the or if you get this in audio version you'll have to go back and watch it

[01:03:21] on the network as a rerun but tonight at 7 p.m we're doing friend fiction which is every other week

[01:03:26] and it's where Michelle King and Lissette Jean-Marie get together and talk about like their favorite

[01:03:32] fictional crushes and who the thirsty four basically and marry Shifa we'll be joining them tonight

[01:03:39] they're talking about Kylo Ren so it should be interesting and I'm the moderator I have actually

[01:03:47] I'm not a the cop up with all my star wars movies so after we hang up here we walk up here

[01:03:54] I am going to start watching star wars movies yeah well it's it's not even so much Kylo Ren for

[01:04:02] me is it is just Adam driver in general so because he's got a great sense of humor and I just

[01:04:07] really appreciate a guy with a great sense of humor when the first movie I'm just not like

[01:04:13] he just feels like kind of an emo mopee Darth Vader oh yeah no he yes and that's why I'm saying

[01:04:20] it's not really Kylo Ren it's Adam driver in third star I saw some videos again he was hilarious

[01:04:25] it was like referring to other tweets and stuff that people had posted he's like I don't I don't

[01:04:29] even understand why they think this is funny you know or whatever and it's like here's me smiling

[01:04:33] and it like his gradations of him being like just straight faced to the point to the end where

[01:04:38] he's like grinning and so he's commenting on each of the levels of what he was doing yeah so yeah

[01:04:45] oh yeah he's he's hosted Saturday night live a couple of times and he's just been gold every time

[01:04:51] yeah I just really enjoy him yeah oh uh so yes so that was kind of that plot line um

[01:04:59] yeah and the guy didn't die and he did die that is the subversion of expectations

[01:05:05] because I was just when he got when he knocked book out of the way and he got hit in the chest I'm like

[01:05:10] no no he's gonna cry and so I was really surprised that he survived surprised and pleased

[01:05:19] so there is that how many collateral how much collateral damage they had after they said oh most

[01:05:25] of these people are slaves so let's just shoot as many of them as we can as we leave I mean I can see

[01:05:30] Philip are doing it but Michael seems I seem like she could have been a little bit more like hey

[01:05:35] let's not try and destroy everyone down there because they they've all been sold into servitude basically

[01:05:42] well they weren't shooting the slaves they were shooting the guards who were shooting at the slaves

[01:05:48] so the slaves were running for a transport ship and the guards were trying to shoot them down

[01:05:55] and that's when the ship flies through in a very star wars way between those two little rings

[01:06:01] and just starts firing that actually you know I got a little emotional of that because

[01:06:07] you know I really love it when someone comes in to save the day at the last second and it looks

[01:06:11] really cool at the same time so yeah it was um that was and then and then when they just

[01:06:17] they they go out and instead of turning around the ship we can figure itself what the what is that

[01:06:23] yeah that was really cool which is good what we saw in the beginning of the of these in the intro

[01:06:30] but I just thought it was just showing the showing an exploded view but it's not it's like that's

[01:06:33] what the ship actually does yeah I was it was just crazy and amazing and I loved it

[01:06:40] oops uh so yeah um and also in that scene when one of the uh big tankers is crashing

[01:06:49] I noticed that it sort of looks like it has an excelsior saucer I don't know if these are old

[01:06:54] ships that were sort of like glued together from leftover parts or if it was actually manufactured

[01:07:01] that way and it's from that era and it's just a tanker or something that we've never seen

[01:07:05] but it definitely is a saucer section from that era well it was a salvage yard so it could have

[01:07:12] been cobbled together from many different pieces that is entirely possible and the reason that I

[01:07:18] picked out the excelsior to start with is that the way that the the edge of the saucer is angled it's

[01:07:23] angled down instead of up like the 1701 mm-hmm like original yeah yeah it could be so who knows

[01:07:33] I'm curious to see what if they talk about those and some of the behind the scenes making of or

[01:07:38] it shows up in an eagle moth ships or something I feel like there's so many ships now that they

[01:07:43] were not going to be at a loss for they're not gonna run out of ships at this point although that

[01:07:49] sort of reduces my my chance of hopefully seeing animated series ships but well they're doing a lot

[01:07:55] of ships at the same time because they're not just doing Star Trek stuff they're doing battle

[01:08:00] Star Galactic stuff and you know they're they're not confined to just certain sci-fi series so

[01:08:08] they're they're producing a lot of different stuff and I think that there's absolutely room for

[01:08:12] animated series ships in there yeah yeah so get on that eagle moth yes um so what is your overall

[01:08:24] impression of the the whole because you were saying you saw things that other people don't see

[01:08:30] what's well this this was an episode where people were discovering things about themselves because

[01:08:39] again the show isn't named Discovery just because of the ship um and that's made that was made

[01:08:46] clear to me in season one but it's now even more it went in more clear in season two like

[01:08:50] the fact when Pike says he's glad that he got to watch Michael discover her heart I mean can you

[01:08:55] get more clear than that but uh Michael has discovered that she is a terrible first officer

[01:09:03] and she used to be a great first officer but she's a different person now and now she's a

[01:09:09] terrible first officer she's also discovered you could pin off at the end too which I wonder how

[01:09:14] much that is actually like I'm done with Starfleet or just a just a visual kind of like you know

[01:09:20] it seems like in the next episode in the teaser that we see her doing something so yeah she's still

[01:09:25] in uniform in the next teaser so yeah I'm not gonna count her out she's just got some things to work out

[01:09:34] and I think that this thing has has propelled her into this sort of broken down moment where she

[01:09:42] has to figure out exactly what she is doing what does she want yeah where does she belong

[01:09:49] and can she have it all basically so and her feelings for book have complicated that

[01:09:57] and so she thinks it has to be one or the other yes that's what we didn't talk about that they actually

[01:10:03] they are now an item well they were before but they they kissed

[01:10:07] they did and I was jealous of her in that moment

[01:10:12] yes sorry I have been a fan of David and Jala for a little while now you guys so yes I admittedly

[01:10:19] yet that would be it would be a good real life thing my my concern or just frustration I don't know

[01:10:26] is that I was really enjoying them being friends and avoiding the cliche of falling in love because

[01:10:33] there is no reason for that to happen that she just discovered if she's discovering herself

[01:10:40] she can she can be an independent person not needing a love interest and in fact given all of the

[01:10:46] things that she's been going through it all of them no none of those people should start a relationship

[01:10:50] at this point because that's just not great don't don't make a huge life change in the middle

[01:10:57] of a crisis or a bigger change so I to me it felt like lower decks actually did that better between

[01:11:07] Mariner and Boymler than book and Michael that's my personal opinion I just like I'm like oh great

[01:11:15] I know everybody else was like yay thank god it's like no I'm not I'm not happy about that

[01:11:21] well first of all they have insane chemistry the actors do so

[01:11:26] cool but second of all

[01:11:29] Michael's first experience with love ended in trauma and pain and for me it was an important step

[01:11:40] to see her grow past that and be able to feel like oh I can have another relationship

[01:11:50] and it's exact just first one that she ever saw and it's like it's just it's it feels like

[01:11:56] very disney like I fell in love with the prince in a day we I don't know um there's a whole year of her

[01:12:02] life they didn't see I understand that but it's literally she is the he's the first person that

[01:12:07] she saw in this universe yeah and they didn't they did not get along at first so about five seconds

[01:12:15] yeah well they had they were forced to work together they had no choice and they ended up learning

[01:12:21] about each other which made them not so testy towards each other so the thing is is that

[01:12:27] the best romances are built on friendship which is what there's was because you can have all

[01:12:35] the sexual chemistry in the world but if you don't have a friendship because sex goes away

[01:12:42] you know sex is not there all the time and so do you still have that connection even

[01:12:49] no we'd never go away with David a jala I was waiting for

[01:12:55] anyway he's so beautiful there's no comment from Dave the mod that's so interesting oh he's so

[01:13:02] used to this it's ridiculous he's adorable but you know that's the thing is that

[01:13:08] sex is only you know it's an important part of relationship a relationship but time wise

[01:13:13] it's a small part of a relationship and it's all of those moments outside of that that make

[01:13:18] a relationship work and they've already built that foundation so you know it didn't bother me

[01:13:25] that they transitioned into this new phase and that she has the ability to love again after being

[01:13:33] hurt so badly before and after her first relationship so for me it was growth for her

[01:13:43] that was my that's how I saw it yes but yeah another thing that we that was interesting character

[01:13:52] development for me was Saru realizing that he could have done things differently with Michael

[01:13:59] wanting to go on this mission that he could have taken it to Vance and Vance might have said no

[01:14:06] but he might have said yes and I feel like that's that's the whole thing and I think he learned

[01:14:11] something very important about himself and about how he's going to react to these situations in

[01:14:18] the future is honestly it never hurts to ask because if you're told no have you lost anything

[01:14:24] no you're in the exact same position you were before you asked but if you get a yes

[01:14:30] you know it you'll never get a yes unless you actually ask right and he said something really that

[01:14:39] the first time that I watched the episode didn't hit me as hard but the second time and I think

[01:14:43] that it was also because the subtitles really punched it into my face that he's great for that

[01:14:53] but he says to Michael that you know he offered maybe he offered her that first officer position

[01:15:00] as you know as trying to return of some semblance of what once was but things are not as they were

[01:15:11] and that's all feels like it's written for this time in our history and it's crazy

[01:15:18] I know and I was just so messed up with that there's no the getting back to normal like there is

[01:15:24] no normal to get back to yeah and that's that's the thing is just you know and I'm going to say

[01:15:30] something that maybe perceived as political but it's not and if you're politicizing it stop it

[01:15:37] we need to accept that the world we came from no longer exists our world has fundamentally changed

[01:15:45] we're living in a post-COVID-19 air and down there is no going back to normal because normal does

[01:15:52] not exist anymore all the things that we did in February and early March that's gone that's gone

[01:16:00] and sadly there are a lot of other things that have gone with it and may never return because of

[01:16:06] that and is that the fault of any one person or any group of people know but the fact that people

[01:16:14] will not accept that this is our reality and refuse to protect others by doing the simplest

[01:16:25] of recommended things like wearing a mask because of that 250,000 people are dead

[01:16:35] and we still can't as a nation fully accept the reality that we have killed our own people

[01:16:45] because we can't accept this isn't the way the future is going to be

[01:16:51] and it's just I'm sorry to get emotional actually I'm not sorry to get emotional I'm not

[01:16:56] sorry to get emotional I'm never sorry to get emotional but if it makes other people uncomfortable

[01:17:02] I apologize for that but we have to accept that we need to move forward that we need to accept

[01:17:11] the what was is no more and we need to create a better future because what we had before wasn't working

[01:17:21] otherwise this wouldn't have happened on the scale that it did so stop saying it's a hoax stop

[01:17:31] acting like wearing a mask doesn't matter because these things do matter stop acting like those

[01:17:37] 250,000 dead people don't matter all of these things matter and the only people who can change this

[01:17:44] and make a different future is us thank you for coming to my TED Talk

[01:17:52] no I completely agree and I have like my own unique frustration given that I have

[01:17:59] I had a heart transplant and I have a compromised not compromise a suppressed immune system

[01:18:07] I've this has been my life like since for the last seven years actually seven years tomorrow

[01:18:14] I when there's a cold and flu season I stayed at home I wore a mask I mean I did all of this stuff

[01:18:20] that everybody else is like oh I can't do it it's like gonna make me pass out if a person who

[01:18:24] has had a heart transplant and has gone through all this I can put on a mask a day after the

[01:18:31] transplant and be forced to walk around the ICU because that's what they wanted me to do

[01:18:37] you can do it I did not pass out and and you soccer mom and you know like dad from work or whatever

[01:18:44] I don't know why so that you know put on the damn mask and just suck it up you know it's yeah

[01:18:51] it's not about your liberty yeah it's about saving lives and why can't you have that

[01:18:57] enough empathy to protect other people there also now saying that it also can help you I mean if

[01:19:03] you don't want to if it if you really just don't care about other people or if you only care

[01:19:07] about your little pot of people this also protects you mm-hmm yeah it just and it's not something

[01:19:16] that should have anything to do with politics it should just be common sense yeah that's what

[01:19:22] to me is so weird is like when this happened I'm like oh this is a crisis but this is a crisis

[01:19:27] I can deal with I understand how to deal with it and I can help other people you know in in my

[01:19:33] intermediate you know sphere of influence and it's I just like I could just see the nation all

[01:19:40] coming together and we will we'll we know knock this out before any other but no it just like I

[01:19:47] have to say unfortunately over the last year I have lost so much faith in other people and I

[01:19:55] Star Trek is something for me that I have to watch because if I don't then I just look what and I'm

[01:20:04] not saying that you know it's it is a TV show I understand that but the people that it brings together

[01:20:10] and the message that it has is more important than it ever has been mm-hmm absolutely absolutely

[01:20:20] agree so there you go there's your weekly Brandy Cry um so yeah I'm six six six eight

[01:20:27] and that's fine you'll you'll cry all yell and it'll just be a it's perfect combination yeah

[01:20:35] we just need somebody on the left and then like find everything funny actually I do that

[01:20:39] sometimes when I get to the point where it's just like okay I I don't know how to react anymore so

[01:20:44] now it's all a joke yeah actually I've had that reaction before where something has just horrified

[01:20:51] me to the point where I think oh I uh and instead of crying I just start laughing and then I start

[01:20:57] crying later but I just like of course this is happening of course yeah why did I think it would

[01:21:05] be any different I know what humanity is like I worked in retail I know well the other day like just

[01:21:12] everything was like not important things but just dumb things were going wrong and I like I made

[01:21:17] lunch I'm like I'm gonna go to my desk I'm gonna eat and just gonna take a breath and I drop my

[01:21:20] food on the way to the office no and I just started laughing I'm just like okay that's this day I got

[01:21:27] it all right yeah and I think that just kind of helped remove the what could have been me spiraling into

[01:21:35] just super frustration and I was like no I'm you know this is happening I'll deal with it and

[01:21:41] then I'm not going to let it get to me on a deeper level because the universe is not trying to

[01:21:45] like make my day horrible by making me drop my lunch that was just me not paying attention it was like

[01:21:51] no usually those when those smaller things happen it's the it's the last straw on top of a much

[01:21:58] deeper problem yeah and so that's when I go to pieces and try to deal with that other problem

[01:22:06] that's like horrible nibble meff my ducks yeah and actually I then chased by ducks before they are

[01:22:15] mean yes and geese are me oh yes yep and they hurt when they bite you oh yes oh I we have

[01:22:23] photos my mom was pulling out of of all three of my my brother two brothers and me in the back of a

[01:22:29] like a must have been like a station wagon standing on the thing just screaming and like kicking

[01:22:35] away the geese and the get ducks and they're like my parents are just laughing like we're terrifying

[01:22:40] that these birds are coming in my breaths my brother was like maybe two or three and the other one was

[01:22:47] fairly a little bit younger but yeah oh that was that was an interesting day

[01:22:54] yeah to say the least so I guess we could wrap up here and just remind everybody speaking of

[01:23:05] getting coming together and talking we have our our roundtable next week which I'm I'm for me

[01:23:10] just because thanksgiving is around the same time tomorrow is my transpire anniversary thanksgiving

[01:23:17] is a few days later and my best friend Matt Pitner his birthday is on this year it's on Thanksgiving

[01:23:25] and for the last couple of years I have spent all of those with friends and together and thanksgiving

[01:23:31] has always been my favorite holiday and so having something to look forward to with a bunch of people

[01:23:37] is you know even though it's online it's just it's really it's it's it's what I'm thankful for

[01:23:45] yeah me too because you know we're not going to visit family this year either because my mother's 82

[01:23:52] and we have to protect her so we're not going to go to her house neither I nor my sisters or

[01:23:59] their husbands we're not going to her house and she was the one who said yet no I don't want

[01:24:05] to you guys to come so we're all doing our own little thing for Thanksgiving but it's still

[01:24:13] if because I'm thankful for trek like really thankful yeah it has gotten me through a lot of things

[01:24:19] and it's been a part of my life for my entire life so of course I would want to celebrate that with people

[01:24:27] yeah tricks giving yeah I love it I'm black alert Friday or black Friday alert

[01:24:35] how are we going to phrase it black alert Friday I like that yeah I think that's what what bill

[01:24:40] hashtag which of those great yes oh and speaking of more star Trek coming up at two o'clock is the

[01:24:45] improvised generation on screen and they're doing like a film noir I think they're doing more like

[01:24:50] like uh what is it um a Dixon Hill sort of thing so I saw uh Alisa Pearl had different outfits like

[01:24:59] you know sexy noir of fem fatel stuff that she was trying on an Instagram so this should

[01:25:04] should be a lot of fun hmm very cool that's coming up in about a half hour and if you are listening

[01:25:11] to this the audio version you can either get a subscription to outpost 13 and watch it there

[01:25:16] and I think at some point later down the road then they show up on YouTube as well fantastic yeah

[01:25:24] all right well I think that kind of does it for today I'm sorry what

[01:25:34] he's bird of prey

[01:25:41] uh cuz noir it's just involved yeah oh no that's perfect

[01:25:46] uh I want them to use that title

[01:25:50] oh that was so great uh Dave I love you baby I love you okay well if anybody is still around

[01:25:57] after this wants to join they ask for a reason to travel that is the call I'm assuming that

[01:26:04] they're going to do the same thing this week uh so if anybody has an idea for like what's a

[01:26:08] reason to travel uh pop over in a half hour to the same same same bat time same bat channel

[01:26:14] and and give your suggestions and and maybe we'll get them all these bird of prey in their

[01:26:22] oh it's pretty just an invisible stand like a thing nothing on it

[01:26:30] it's perfect for improv you're holding it I've got the multiple bird of prey

[01:26:35] oh fantastic oh man this works on so many levels oh I'm gonna have to make that like the

[01:26:44] the book cover or something for that even if we don't add it in the show

[01:26:49] that's amazing I love it well thank you everybody we will see you on Friday oh and

[01:26:54] we are not going to have a show on Saturday because after doing three hours of a show before

[01:26:59] we are going to take that as our vacation and thanks giving break so

[01:27:03] yes and bring your leftovers join us in the chat room win some pins and uh we'll have at trekaliance.org

[01:27:10] we'll have all of the links the day of or maybe a little bit before uh we'll primarily be broadcasting

[01:27:16] on youtube on on outpost 13 so that's kind of a new thing uh and then Facebook and Twitter and

[01:27:22] I've never seen anybody live broadcast on Twitter so that'll be interesting yeah I don't know much

[01:27:28] about it so do they respond with tweets like do we see that show up in Streamyard I don't know

[01:27:33] it's it'll be interesting it's all a grand experiment yeah yeah all right live long and prosper everybody

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