From an acid secreting monster melting cave walls to a repulsive organic forcing food down into a pit of digestive acids, Aaron and Brandi talk about their favorite scary moments in Star Trek. They also find out what scares you out there in the audience! So lower the lights and grab some candy from the trick-or-treat bowl and settle in for an Infinite Trek Halloween special!
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[00:01:02] Happy Halloween.
[00:01:04] Happy Halloween.
[00:01:07] Wow, your outfit is amazing.
[00:01:10] I'm sorry.
[00:01:10] I deserve it for those of you who are not on the video.
[00:01:14] Brandy is dressed as Tilly.
[00:01:17] Yeah.
[00:01:18] And looking fantastic.
[00:01:20] Thank you very much.
[00:01:21] I appreciate that.
[00:01:23] She's my favorite character on Discovery and she and I have a lot in comments.
[00:01:30] So I felt it was only appropriate.
[00:01:33] Yeah.
[00:01:34] And I am wearing what is the alternate universe version of the Picard uniform?
[00:01:40] I have the badge that I had designed for Trek movie when we only have like a super
[00:01:45] blurrie screenshot and we're like, okay, well, they're not going to use the same one
[00:01:49] that they did in the parallel universe and TNG.
[00:01:51] So it's going to have to be kind of like that but different.
[00:01:55] We're off a little bit.
[00:01:56] Although it does sort of, you know, foreshadow the oval shape of Discovery.
[00:02:01] So.
[00:02:02] And this indeed.
[00:02:03] Yeah.
[00:02:04] So now it's all.
[00:02:05] Now it's even more upside down or more parallel universe.
[00:02:11] I was going to do my true spots but I've stored the makeup in a place that was too warm
[00:02:17] and I sent you the screenshot which I'm not going to share with you was rather right.
[00:02:21] It was not good.
[00:02:22] It was not good.
[00:02:23] No.
[00:02:24] So I figured if I am a true, I'm actually a true undercover as a human.
[00:02:29] There you go.
[00:02:30] That's exactly what you should be.
[00:02:32] You are going incognito on a planet that doesn't know about other species yet.
[00:02:37] So of course you got to have those spots.
[00:02:40] Right over.
[00:02:41] Yeah.
[00:02:41] Earth exact.
[00:02:43] Now.
[00:02:44] Earth right now.
[00:02:46] Oh, I just I really because we lived in because I live in Los Angeles.
[00:02:50] I had just moved here when Voyager did their time travel episode.
[00:02:55] So for me it was just so fun to see like all these places I had just been on TV in
[00:03:00] Star Trek.
[00:03:01] So that was that was pretty cool.
[00:03:03] Very nice.
[00:03:04] So I love them walking.
[00:03:05] It's like, you know, we could have worn our Starfleet uniforms.
[00:03:07] I doubt if anyone would've noticed.
[00:03:08] Really true.
[00:03:10] So.
[00:03:11] We had.
[00:03:13] I think it was like two years ago now an improv show called Brimstone which was a combination
[00:03:19] of Hall of Poor and Western.
[00:03:23] And so I was dressed up.
[00:03:25] I was doing just graphics and something like that, but I dressed up just to you know,
[00:03:29] kind of feel like it was part of it and had my cowboy boots and built and jeans and hat
[00:03:34] and everything.
[00:03:35] And we went to go to Starbucks to get food and I realized I'm like, oh wait, I don't look
[00:03:38] you know, like, you should be wandering around.
[00:03:41] It wasn't Halloween.
[00:03:42] This was like in September.
[00:03:44] No one even blinked.
[00:03:48] So we had somebody else dressed as like in a prairie dress or something.
[00:03:50] And just like we just look like really slightly eccentric, you know,
[00:03:55] which would call it the word is gone.
[00:03:59] Hipsters.
[00:04:00] Hipsters right.
[00:04:04] Well, we are today going to talk about episodes of Star Trek that scared us.
[00:04:11] And because it's Halloween and hopefully things go right,
[00:04:15] you actually hear this on Halloween as well as see it.
[00:04:18] Yes.
[00:04:19] And there, you know, Star Trek is sort of, it has a history of putting things out for Halloween.
[00:04:27] In the original series and the animated series, there were two episodes that both came right
[00:04:31] before Halloween.
[00:04:33] One was Kat's paw and the other was the magic to make us to.
[00:04:37] What are they?
[00:04:38] Is it the devil?
[00:04:39] Fine.
[00:04:40] Yeah.
[00:04:42] Originally, which is supposed to be God, which is basically Star Trek 5.
[00:04:45] And they're like, no, no, no, we can't do that.
[00:04:46] The sensors want to allow that.
[00:04:48] Just make it the devil.
[00:04:50] Okay.
[00:04:51] Somehow, that's more acceptable.
[00:04:54] Okay.
[00:04:54] Yeah.
[00:04:55] Yep.
[00:04:56] Here.
[00:04:58] And they had very few people like refuse to run it or complain about it.
[00:05:01] You know, it was in the south.
[00:05:04] But I know shocking.
[00:05:06] Yes.
[00:05:07] 1960s Southern America.
[00:05:10] Yeah.
[00:05:11] 1970s, sorry.
[00:05:12] I mean, I can't decade in the south.
[00:05:15] Really true.
[00:05:16] I don't know about the cat of Kat's paw.
[00:05:19] What their what the response was.
[00:05:21] I know that for the original series, there were a lot more just like now we're not running
[00:05:26] this of anything.
[00:05:27] It things that wouldn't even like why?
[00:05:29] What is that?
[00:05:30] You know, Britain for certain things if it was too scary or too graphic.
[00:05:35] But a lot of people in Britain didn't see original series episodes until the 80s.
[00:05:40] Yeah, the whole censorship thing just really was out of control.
[00:05:45] And I thought these are not the things that you should be censoring but whatever.
[00:05:50] Yeah.
[00:05:51] Yeah.
[00:05:52] Well, I mean, well, the one that did censor, which I kind of can see for like little kids
[00:05:58] if next generation would I think which was a run at the children's hours at the same
[00:06:03] time.
[00:06:04] Like don't know who would be.
[00:06:06] Yeah.
[00:06:07] When the guy has had exploded in.
[00:06:12] Yeah, the phaser was more than in the city.
[00:06:16] Yeah, it was more than is said like there was a cavity where his chest used to be and you
[00:06:23] can see his ribs and stuff.
[00:06:25] It was there was to be like, there's just bugs in there.
[00:06:28] I mean, it's just black just nasty.
[00:06:30] Just nasty.
[00:06:31] Yeah, it was it was very gross.
[00:06:35] We got a lot of people coming in the chat room just like suddenly, wow.
[00:06:38] Yeah.
[00:06:39] All right.
[00:06:40] May my Trilled to be here?
[00:06:42] Yes.
[00:06:43] Yes, McReeody.
[00:06:44] 13.
[00:06:45] I'm Trilled to be here.
[00:06:46] There.
[00:06:47] Are you happy now?
[00:06:49] And apparently Christopher Littlefield says Brandy loves catspock.
[00:06:53] No, I think he loves cats.
[00:06:56] He's making fun of me.
[00:07:01] Oh, no.
[00:07:02] I have to feeling.
[00:07:04] Yes.
[00:07:05] So yeah, that that there was a like I said, there's a history of scary start track stuff and you it's not something you immediately think of is of horror and frightening which is funny because you have the people who are detractors of modern tricks say that it's too graphic.
[00:07:22] It's too frightening.
[00:07:23] But there's some stuff that's pretty graphic in the old series.
[00:07:28] And I think sometimes hiding it is actually scarier like you hit, you know, when you're talking about your episode there's a lot of build up and not show.
[00:07:38] Kind of like jaws basically not showing the monster until or alien until it is, you know, time.
[00:07:45] So it's a lot of tension.
[00:07:49] Your imagination can think of something way worse than whatever they're going to put on the screen except in the case of the xenomorph.
[00:07:56] Of the xenomorph that messed me up really bad because I saw that.
[00:08:00] Yeah, it's terrifying was yeah, I was 11 or something like that.
[00:08:07] That was still too young because I think it was seven when it came out or something like that but it was 79 if I remember correct.
[00:08:14] Yeah, so sort of been nine.
[00:08:16] So yeah, it was.
[00:08:19] It's funny because in my brain a lot of times with like if it's science fiction for some reason, I don't get scared like let's say five.
[00:08:25] I'm never going to run into you know, a alien on a spaceship because it's just not going to happen where something like Halloween.
[00:08:33] Yeah, I more likely to run into a serial killer in real life.
[00:08:38] And that was all filmed around where I live so it's also very weird when you're like, I recognize that creepy house.
[00:08:45] Fun.
[00:08:46] Yeah, the hospital from Halloween 2 is up the street.
[00:08:49] Oh wow.
[00:08:50] Yeah, wow.
[00:08:52] Yeah.
[00:08:54] Oh never say never Aaron.
[00:08:58] Yeah.
[00:08:59] That is true.
[00:09:00] I might run into an alien on a spaceship.
[00:09:02] You never know.
[00:09:03] It's true as soon as there are spaceships that we all can just go on at a whim.
[00:09:08] I guess that's the possibility then.
[00:09:11] Yep.
[00:09:12] I'm just going to space itself so I just like.
[00:09:15] Yeah, I was much less likely would love to be an astronaut and that was sort of like, as a kid.
[00:09:19] I wanted to do.
[00:09:22] I think the fact that I didn't have the math or the health for it probably is a good thing because I feel terrified when we take off in an airplane, which is like way to second.
[00:09:30] What was I thinking?
[00:09:31] Yeah, well, like the concept of it more than the actual.
[00:09:35] Yeah, I, yeah, I've heard a few standup comedians give their take on that, which I am not going to repeat here, but yeah, that's just like,
[00:09:45] define the laws of gravity.
[00:09:47] Yeah, sounds like a great idea.
[00:09:49] Let's do that.
[00:09:50] I don't break laws.
[00:09:52] I'm sorry.
[00:09:53] We're defied them.
[00:09:54] Yeah.
[00:09:55] Well, some of them, you never know.
[00:09:57] Yeah, it depends on whether the law is just, but when it comes to the laws of physics.
[00:10:02] There's simply a code where we're at least a mix of perpetual motion machine and, and I think that yeah, and it Homer's like,
[00:10:11] we obey the laws of physics in this household.
[00:10:17] So unfortunately, her machine that could have given endless free energy got put down by Homer never, never
[00:10:24] thought went to market.
[00:10:26] That's too bad.
[00:10:28] Poor Lisa.
[00:10:29] Yeah.
[00:10:30] Yeah.
[00:10:31] Should we dive into our episodes?
[00:10:33] Let's do it.
[00:10:35] All right.
[00:10:36] We're going to go chronologically through Star Trek.
[00:10:38] So we're going to start with your episode.
[00:10:40] Yeah.
[00:10:41] The devil in the dark.
[00:10:42] I keep saying devil in the dark.
[00:10:43] There's a thought.
[00:10:44] There is a thought.
[00:10:46] So yeah, that's this is an episode that was super formative in my childhood.
[00:10:52] I was going to say like let's hear about how this affected you because I know that you were telling me some of the set up is pretty good.
[00:11:01] Mm-hmm.
[00:11:02] Yeah.
[00:11:03] Yeah.
[00:11:04] There's no before time.
[00:11:05] There's just, there's always been trek.
[00:11:10] And I would sometimes get scared at certain things and my dad would let me sit on his lap because my dad was a protector of course.
[00:11:26] I think that's how most children see their dads but not all but most of my dad was the strong silent type.
[00:11:33] But he, you know, when he was around his family, he was a very different person.
[00:11:38] He was just the best I miss him.
[00:11:41] And so this is one of those episodes where the opening scene.
[00:11:47] I'm just like daddy.
[00:11:49] He's just like come on.
[00:11:51] Come on.
[00:11:52] Oh, I get up on my dad and it's something.
[00:11:56] I am not entirely sure simply because again, there was no time before track.
[00:12:01] So I'm going to guess I was probably about four or five.
[00:12:05] Okay.
[00:12:06] No.
[00:12:07] That fits.
[00:12:08] Yeah.
[00:12:09] Yeah.
[00:12:10] So it's formative for two reasons.
[00:12:13] First it kind of introduced me to horror because this film is filmed like a horror movie.
[00:12:18] Yeah.
[00:12:19] It truly is filmed like a horror movie.
[00:12:22] It's especially how it starts with the music.
[00:12:25] The music is like horror movie music.
[00:12:28] So just sets the mood and I was, you know, I'm a very emotional person.
[00:12:34] There you go.
[00:12:35] Setting them up.
[00:12:36] I'm a very emotional person and I feel everything.
[00:12:39] So I was just already affected by that.
[00:12:42] But I think as, and you know, nothing again is scarier than what you can't fully see.
[00:12:50] So the way that this starts out really.
[00:12:53] You've got this cave and there's like these dark pockets and it, you know, if you can suspend your disbelief as an adult of it, like, okay, it's a paper, Michelle Cave.
[00:13:03] But as a child, it or even, you know, just suspending disbelief.
[00:13:08] It is really just like the idea of being caught in a cave underground.
[00:13:14] I mean, it feels sort of claustrophobic when you watch the episode because you know you're underground.
[00:13:19] You see that city like they're there mining plant and it's underground.
[00:13:23] It's like under a cave, a larger cave.
[00:13:25] So it doesn't feel like there's a place that you can escape to.
[00:13:28] There's no surface to run to.
[00:13:30] No.
[00:13:31] No, there's not.
[00:13:32] It's terrifying.
[00:13:34] Yeah.
[00:13:35] And, you know, skipping ahead I want to just talk about why this one sticks in my mind so much.
[00:13:42] Besides the obvious reasons would be scared.
[00:13:45] And it's because of the scene where Spock connects with the Horta, which we don't really have the term my meld yet.
[00:13:55] It doesn't show up until later in the series.
[00:13:57] I called it my meld.
[00:13:58] But that's, that's what it is.
[00:14:00] That's what it is and it starts before he even touches it.
[00:14:03] And I was just really upset by that.
[00:14:05] I was like, really upset is like, it's hurting Spock.
[00:14:09] And then that, you know, he disconnects and I'm like, oh good.
[00:14:13] That's over.
[00:14:14] I'm fine.
[00:14:15] But no, he has to go back in and touch it.
[00:14:18] And then I'm just like my little brain is going, why are you hurting my Spock?
[00:14:23] And it was just kind of a revelation like, oh.
[00:14:26] Yeah, feels like this is the first time we've seen him showing that much pain and just emotion on his face.
[00:14:32] And so I just, you know, my little brain is like, oh.
[00:14:37] Oh, this is my favorite character.
[00:14:40] Yeah.
[00:14:41] And this is all going on in my head.
[00:14:43] This is not anything I ever vocalized at the time because I did have a lot of internal stuff that I never actually talked about because, you know, people would just think I was weird.
[00:14:54] But it's, it's the moment that I realized as a very interesting place for me.
[00:14:59] Yeah.
[00:15:00] Exactly.
[00:15:01] And in fact, my good friend, Christopher D. Littlefield, who is in the chat.
[00:15:05] Yes, he actually made me this.
[00:15:07] Oh, my gosh, that's great.
[00:15:10] I love those of you can't see it is a what is the brand of those? Those are the.
[00:15:15] I can't remember the boxes over there somewhere, but I don't remember.
[00:15:18] Yeah, so they're basically it's a little ceramic scene.
[00:15:21] It's like diamond select toys I want to say.
[00:15:24] Yeah, that's right.
[00:15:25] But yeah, this actually spot comes with different feet, different legs and different hands and a different try quarter.
[00:15:34] He has a try quarter that is open and a try quarter those clothes.
[00:15:38] You can swap them out.
[00:15:39] You can swap them out. So you can do the whole scene where he's scanning.
[00:15:44] And then you can do the scene where he's, you know, melding.
[00:15:48] And so and I treasure this so much because it is tied up in so many things that were formative for me about Star Trek and just life in general.
[00:15:58] So it's essentially a nice little reminder of that moment every time you look at it on the shelf.
[00:16:05] Mm-hmm.
[00:16:06] And it's a moment, of course, that scared me at the time but that's an adult.
[00:16:10] I mean, even as an adult, I'm just like, this is hard.
[00:16:15] But it's just it just it kind of showed me hey, this is the kind of person you are.
[00:16:21] You're kind of like spock in this moment.
[00:16:24] You can feel things that other people are feeling.
[00:16:28] So something I figured out about myself very young.
[00:16:32] What did you when you're when it was over what happened with your dad?
[00:16:36] Did he, did you guys talk about it or?
[00:16:38] We didn't really talk about it.
[00:16:40] He just let me sit there for as long as I needed to and because I don't remember what came off after it.
[00:16:46] It didn't matter because it was back in syndication on those days.
[00:16:50] You know, I just let me sit there as long as I needed to and then when I was ready, he's like, are you okay now?
[00:16:59] Like, yeah, I'm okay for now.
[00:17:02] Just got down when about in the business, like any other four year old would because I wasn't,
[00:17:08] I didn't know how to, I didn't have the language necessary at that age to communicate what I had just experienced.
[00:17:17] So I just kept it to myself basically.
[00:17:23] I was about the same age when I sat on my grandfather's lap and watched our track.
[00:17:29] And I think the way that he kind of quelled my fears would be to find something like,
[00:17:34] just not logical or something in it, which I think is now where I get my mystery science theater,
[00:17:39] start to be green from.
[00:17:42] I just like, well, you know, I built airplanes and we already have technology that's more impressive than that.
[00:17:47] So just don't, don't even worry about that because this could never happen.
[00:17:51] You know, kind of with the name, it's so like, all right.
[00:17:54] I think he, he just, he did not want fear to be around him and just sort of he wouldn't negate it.
[00:18:00] Like, nope, it's, it's not there.
[00:18:02] So I did not learn how to face my fears for my grandfather, but I didn't learn how to deflect them.
[00:18:08] Yeah, I see that's the thing. I think that I was allowed to deal with fear.
[00:18:13] And so that was, and I don't know whether my parents did that purposely or whether they just didn't understand what was going on.
[00:18:21] But I think it's worked out for the best.
[00:18:23] It sounds like I did work out for the best because I don't necessarily avoid things that scare me.
[00:18:30] I try to conquer them if I can.
[00:18:32] There are certain things that are associated with heavy trauma that I can't quite get past.
[00:18:39] And just be okay.
[00:18:41] Everybody has mad.
[00:18:42] Yeah, everybody does.
[00:18:43] But as far as like I'm a huge horror fan, huge and I just, when something actually scares me now,
[00:18:51] I'm really impressed by that.
[00:18:53] Yeah, I, I terrified of horror growing up.
[00:18:57] I just like, I would never, I wanted to move these on.
[00:19:00] I'm like, no, I'm done.
[00:19:02] And now adult, especially when I started, we're doing this brimstone.
[00:19:06] I was like, okay, I need to learn about horror so I can understand how the show is constructed.
[00:19:11] And I'm just like, oh, that scared me as a kid.
[00:19:14] Like, I don't understand what, you know.
[00:19:16] And some of it would just be, but it was the psychological stuff that was much more traumatizing.
[00:19:20] And just as an adult, I still, if you watch something where it's just something in cities,
[00:19:25] it's basically seeps into your life that has nothing to do with like supernatural,
[00:19:28] but just, you know, horror on a human scale.
[00:19:31] That's when it's just like, it's just, it's just too real because there's so many things in real life that's
[00:19:36] feel horrific that, yeah, yeah.
[00:19:39] Yeah, I'm like fine, just give me an unkillable monster, whatever.
[00:19:43] You know, that to me doesn't really bother me that much anymore.
[00:19:46] No, it really does.
[00:19:48] It does.
[00:19:49] But I think that's just a natural biological reaction.
[00:19:53] Um, jump scares are not scares.
[00:19:55] Jump scares are startling someone that is not scary.
[00:19:59] You're true.
[00:20:00] You're startling someone.
[00:20:01] Thank you.
[00:20:02] That's a good differentiation.
[00:20:04] Yeah, so come in and feel it's a good cheap trick.
[00:20:07] It is a cheap trick.
[00:20:08] And I hate it.
[00:20:09] It really annoys me.
[00:20:10] I hate it.
[00:20:11] Or the double jump scare.
[00:20:13] And like, neither of them are actual scares.
[00:20:15] Like a cat jumps.
[00:20:16] And then something else happened to the door slams.
[00:20:18] You're like, oh, come on.
[00:20:21] Yeah, it's not that's not scary.
[00:20:23] It just portals you and that doesn't really have anything to do with fear.
[00:20:28] So I was only, oh, sorry.
[00:20:30] No, go ahead.
[00:20:31] No, I say, I think the only thing that for me that an exception to that is what somebody's driving
[00:20:37] And you get the T bone where the car comes.
[00:20:40] That feels scary and startling at the same time.
[00:20:43] There's just this idea of just suddenly out of nowhere.
[00:20:45] This blindsided vehicle just like smacks you just that that terrifies me.
[00:20:50] Yep, no. I totally get that.
[00:20:52] I don't consider that a jump scare though.
[00:20:54] That doesn't, that's not the same thing.
[00:20:57] A jump scare as you hear suddenly it's very, very quiet.
[00:21:00] Yeah, okay.
[00:21:02] Yeah, that's a jump scare but not, it's not a scary thing.
[00:21:06] And this episode did not utilize any of those.
[00:21:08] I don't think.
[00:21:10] And it would not be an infinite trick episode without frozen Brandy.
[00:21:16] So I will just keep talking as Brandy is her internet connection with Rhea Stablishes itself.
[00:21:23] But I, for what I was saying, I don't believe that in Devil in the Dark there's really any sort of jump scares.
[00:21:30] It kind of telegraphs that that's coming.
[00:21:33] Yeah, they're, they didn't pray on you in that regard.
[00:21:38] They used musical cues and moody lighting and sound effects and all that sort of also weird sound effect
[00:21:45] to when Spock's doing the mind.
[00:21:47] It was like, what's this wow wow wow wow.
[00:21:50] Yeah.
[00:21:51] Is that like is there machinery in the background having to say something like that?
[00:21:56] I will say this Dave watched it. Dave has watched it with me this morning and it was his first time seeing this episode.
[00:22:04] He had only ever heard me talk about it.
[00:22:06] And actually he said, wow, that was a really solid episode.
[00:22:10] He actually had a good time with that.
[00:22:13] Yeah, she ran Barry called it one of his favorite Star Trek episodes.
[00:22:16] One of my favorites by far.
[00:22:19] Let's see.
[00:22:20] I have a quote from him actually.
[00:22:22] Oh, if I can pull it up now you disappear but now my notes have disappeared.
[00:22:27] No, it's somebody it's it's horror it's horror online.
[00:22:31] But there we go.
[00:22:34] Um, but yeah, so he said that this was one of his favorite episodes and just keep talking and I will find it.
[00:22:41] Yeah, so yeah, I do enjoy this episode a lot and I like the way it was filmed.
[00:22:52] I like people getting angry because they're afraid because that's you know, that's a natural response.
[00:23:01] You either shut down completely or you start to get angry.
[00:23:04] And so that was a very realistic response to what was going on.
[00:23:09] Whereas Spock is just kind of like, here's a mystery and I'm going to figure it out.
[00:23:15] I like how he was like, it would be crying against science if we destroyed the hordea, which is funny because it's it's very, you know,
[00:23:23] Religious based in some ways, you know, I always say that people will say.
[00:23:28] The atheist actually just their religion in science like that really felt like that moment of the crime against God to kill this hordea because fill that in.
[00:23:36] So well, yeah, and we've always very science is his thing.
[00:23:40] The it is his thing he likes science.
[00:23:43] I found the quote.
[00:23:45] The hordea became suddenly understandable. It wasn't just a monster.
[00:23:48] It was someone and the audience put themselves in the place of the hordea identify and feeling with it.
[00:23:54] The drama is about that's what the drama is about and that's the importance to if you learn to feel for the hordea,
[00:24:00] you may be able to understand and feel for other humans of different colors, ways and beliefs.
[00:24:06] A great.
[00:24:08] So that feels like a quintessential Star Trek moment.
[00:24:13] It really really is the no kill I.
[00:24:16] Oh yeah, that was just that broke my heart when I was a kid.
[00:24:20] There's also a punk band. No, can I.
[00:24:24] I wonder where they got the name.
[00:24:27] I don't know.
[00:24:28] I always start right now.
[00:24:30] Oh, you know, everything is Star Trek in that.
[00:24:32] I looked up some photos and it's just like, wow.
[00:24:35] They had a moogato on drums or something like that.
[00:24:39] Of course they did of course.
[00:24:41] Yeah.
[00:24:42] Sounds great.
[00:24:44] When you had managed, I also said this is the first time that I'm a doctor not a brick layer was or I'm not a doctor anything was used.
[00:24:52] The beginning of that, which is great.
[00:24:54] And still first.
[00:24:56] Yes, don't one of the best of his. I'm a doctor not a.
[00:25:00] Yeah.
[00:25:01] Just when he's done in this.
[00:25:03] Yeah, like concrete.
[00:25:05] I'm beginning to think I can cure rainy day.
[00:25:08] It's like don't get ahead of yourself, dude. Come on.
[00:25:12] Yeah.
[00:25:13] Yep.
[00:25:14] To some funny.
[00:25:15] I love the.
[00:25:16] Yeah.
[00:25:17] I guess in one of the books they had earlier script.
[00:25:20] So they had only had like five pounds of concrete or something like that.
[00:25:23] So the amount that it would have.
[00:25:25] Like that's a tiny little bit on him.
[00:25:27] So yeah, I think they ended up using 10 pounds, 100 pounds.
[00:25:31] I don't know something.
[00:25:32] 400.
[00:25:33] I don't see 100.
[00:25:35] I think a hundred.
[00:25:36] I don't know.
[00:25:37] But it was basically 10 times more than whatever the book said.
[00:25:40] Mm-hmm.
[00:25:41] And this was also when we found out that Star Trek would be renewed for a second season.
[00:25:45] It was announced at the end of that episode.
[00:25:47] Fantastic.
[00:25:48] So there's a lot of first in this.
[00:25:50] Well, not first, but I mean, the renewal, the first time is at the first time we've seen Spock do a meld-ish thing.
[00:25:57] So the first time is in your of the mind.
[00:26:00] Okay. Got it.
[00:26:01] So.
[00:26:02] But this is sort of earlier. Yeah.
[00:26:05] It's a.
[00:26:06] This is the first time.
[00:26:07] Yeah.
[00:26:08] This is the first time you see him really combining like there's an actual meld going on rather than just
[00:26:15] using the technique to search someone's mind. He is expressing what the hortic is feeling and thinking.
[00:26:24] So it's the first time we see that particular process happen.
[00:26:31] And this is also the episode was created from just the costume.
[00:26:38] The creator of the costume.
[00:26:40] Janos. I cannot pronounce his last name. Praska.
[00:26:45] Okay. Just basically created the costume came into Gino Kun's office and said, hey, look what I made.
[00:26:51] And they're like, that's great. What is it?
[00:26:54] Just like, I don't know right in episode. Like, okay.
[00:26:57] And four days later this was written.
[00:26:59] Well, he did a great job.
[00:27:01] It's a great episode.
[00:27:03] And William Chatter's father passed away why this was happening.
[00:27:07] He stayed and finished the scenes as much as they could.
[00:27:12] When they're in the prospector's office, that was actually supposed to be on the enterprise but to minimize the amount of set breakdown.
[00:27:20] They just put it there so he didn't have to add in the extra time and he can get off early enough and get on the plane.
[00:27:28] So for the funeral.
[00:27:30] Yeah.
[00:27:31] But nobody really knew until after he had taken off, but that had happened.
[00:27:35] So that's hard. Oh, there's one really great edit in this episode and it's when Kirk and Spock are talking and they need to get security officers down there.
[00:27:50] And Kirk just kind of turns away as he's talking and then he turns again.
[00:27:54] And it's a line of security officers.
[00:27:56] It was just such a cool edit.
[00:27:58] There's like, wow. That's that's really great especially for the 60s.
[00:28:04] It was just so well done.
[00:28:06] It just kind of melted into one another.
[00:28:08] I was very cool.
[00:28:10] Did we want to talk about also the uniforms?
[00:28:13] Okay. The jump suits.
[00:28:16] Yeah.
[00:28:18] Yeah.
[00:28:19] Yeah.
[00:28:22] We have the orange shirt, basically.
[00:28:25] Yeah.
[00:28:26] But there's also lavender.
[00:28:29] Yeah. There's a lavender jumpsuit guy and he's kind of a jerk.
[00:28:33] Yeah.
[00:28:34] Do not like him at all. He is very, he's very aggressive with his anger.
[00:28:40] So the orange makes sense. I mean, you it's great for being found if something happens.
[00:28:46] It's very bright. I guess the lavender is as well.
[00:28:49] Yeah. Well, see that's the thing. It seems to designate a certain level of leadership or
[00:28:54] Department because we've got our main guy in yellow.
[00:28:57] We've got all the grunts and orange.
[00:28:59] We've got this guy in lavender.
[00:29:01] But do we ever really know what his job was?
[00:29:04] I mean, did he have something to do with the reactor or maybe?
[00:29:07] I never really made it clear.
[00:29:10] I don't think it is.
[00:29:11] I'd be in administration or something like that.
[00:29:13] Sure.
[00:29:15] So he's very, very angry guy.
[00:29:18] Maybe that's why he's angry is he stuck with all the paperwork.
[00:29:21] I don't know.
[00:29:22] I can be.
[00:29:23] It is interesting and that they are very, very clean uniforms.
[00:29:28] Extremely, for being not.
[00:29:30] Yeah. It is mighty does not create any kind of refuse or dirt or dust.
[00:29:35] And the hoard makes that even better because it can actually drill through solid rock just by,
[00:29:41] I guess it's like an asset or something like that, right?
[00:29:43] Yeah.
[00:29:44] It's a, it's a corrosive very much like an acid which again reminds me of the xenomorph.
[00:29:50] Mm-hmm.
[00:29:51] So it, my husband was wondering, maybe Danle Bannon got inspired by this.
[00:29:56] I feel like this would probably inspired a lot of, you know, this type of story.
[00:30:00] Well, and they had the eggs open.
[00:30:02] Like when you got the, the hoard eggs,
[00:30:04] which we have a picture of as well.
[00:30:06] So that kind of is reminiscent of the, the broken open eggs in alien.
[00:30:12] Yeah.
[00:30:13] Can I help us find it, you know?
[00:30:14] Not, not, not gross like that.
[00:30:16] Throughout this episode, you also see just a lot of stuff laying around on the ground
[00:30:20] and all of these tunnels and stuff you could easily trip over in the dark.
[00:30:23] It's not very well-written there.
[00:30:25] Yeah.
[00:30:26] And so I was just thinking, this thought just occurred to me, you know,
[00:30:28] when those baby hoardes hatched,
[00:30:30] maybe they could just be like little rumbers
[00:30:32] and go through all of those areas and just clean up that stuff.
[00:30:36] So I am proud.
[00:30:41] I wonder how those eggs actually worked when I looked at them because they seem like they're extremely hollow
[00:30:47] when they break them open.
[00:30:48] Is it like,
[00:30:49] Well, that we don't actually ever see one being broken open.
[00:30:53] We only see them after they've been broken open and I'm assuming.
[00:30:58] Open and closed seemed to have the same heft.
[00:31:01] You don't see something struggling to lift one up
[00:31:04] because they're actually plastic balls that have been painted with paint.
[00:31:09] Yeah.
[00:31:10] But their coffee cups actually had heft,
[00:31:13] which is something I can't say for modern television and movies.
[00:31:17] Everybody that has a drink.
[00:31:19] It doesn't even look like there's anything in that you don't act like there's any weight in that.
[00:31:23] Just put some water in there.
[00:31:24] Yeah.
[00:31:25] It breaks the reality every time.
[00:31:27] But in this, no, those cups had stuff in them.
[00:31:31] Probably whiskey.
[00:31:33] I was getting surprised by what's the amount of garlic beverage.
[00:31:37] It's the sixties. Come on.
[00:31:39] Yeah.
[00:31:40] Dave the monster.
[00:31:41] Ocean.
[00:31:42] Ocean violations.
[00:31:43] You're right.
[00:31:48] He said that's pretty.
[00:31:50] He didn't say ocean.
[00:31:52] He just, he said the thing about it's,
[00:31:54] it's a future without any regulations.
[00:31:56] Literature is much more than one.
[00:31:59] Well, and it's also interesting.
[00:32:01] This is, you know, they're saying how much money they're going to make.
[00:32:04] How much more profitable being like,
[00:32:06] hmm, in that future, there hasn't no money.
[00:32:09] Or did it this way?
[00:32:10] Maybe still and maybe between then and TOS.
[00:32:13] Rough of con.
[00:32:15] I don't know.
[00:32:17] Yeah.
[00:32:18] I'm still in earth doesn't have money, but they have to have some sort of currency to exchange with other cultures that do.
[00:32:23] Well, yeah. That's the thing because the Federation may have a lot of different cultures in it.
[00:32:28] But they're not all going to be completely free of capitalism.
[00:32:31] So that's why they got to do this stuff.
[00:32:34] Yeah. That, yeah, I'm trying to think it's like the Feringy eventually will probably join the Federation.
[00:32:43] Hmm, maybe not.
[00:32:45] Probably. It's hard to say.
[00:32:47] I'm just going to see the F... to see Feringy in Discovery Season 3.
[00:32:51] Hmm.
[00:32:52] It would be and see if they finally allow to let their females work clothing.
[00:32:57] It would be great if they suddenly they were more like the Federation than other people.
[00:33:01] I'm being twist right.
[00:33:03] Yeah.
[00:33:04] It's like, it all can be great.
[00:33:06] It's a great leader.
[00:33:07] Nog.
[00:33:08] The Bindepath.
[00:33:09] Nog starts this domino effect of...
[00:33:12] Oh, that was good.
[00:33:13] Yeah, but Rome was naga so, you know.
[00:33:16] That's correct.
[00:33:17] Not Rome.
[00:33:19] Oh yeah, you know, that's true.
[00:33:21] Rome is both because nog I'm thinking about it.
[00:33:24] Yeah.
[00:33:25] Starfleet, you know.
[00:33:26] Yeah, they would work together on that front.
[00:33:28] Yeah.
[00:33:29] Yeah.
[00:33:31] Hmm.
[00:33:32] I can see it.
[00:33:33] And I don't take the...
[00:33:34] The supposed next season of Deep Space Nine
[00:33:38] where Nornog dies in a random ship explosion.
[00:33:42] No, that's not canon because it hasn't really actually happened.
[00:33:44] So...
[00:33:45] Hmm.
[00:33:46] No.
[00:33:47] We're not going to... we're not going to hold with that.
[00:33:49] So...
[00:33:50] Nope.
[00:33:51] Yeah.
[00:33:52] Any final thoughts on this episode?
[00:33:56] I don't know that I have anything more to say other than how much I love it.
[00:34:00] And how formative it was in my life, both trek-wise and otherwise.
[00:34:06] So...
[00:34:07] It's...
[00:34:08] I watched something...
[00:34:09] I thought I would quite soft.
[00:34:10] Oh, nice.
[00:34:11] Yeah, it was very helpful.
[00:34:13] I forgot to tell you.
[00:34:15] So we have a stray cat that just sort of lives on our porch that we feed and she hangs out.
[00:34:20] And my cat will look out the window at it.
[00:34:23] And I'm watching this.
[00:34:24] It all of a sudden...
[00:34:26] Lexa just waxed the glass with her paw.
[00:34:29] It's just...
[00:34:30] Gared the hell out.
[00:34:31] Startle.
[00:34:32] It's just...
[00:34:33] It's just...
[00:34:34] It's just...
[00:34:35] But wow, that was just like...
[00:34:37] Well timed.
[00:34:38] So...
[00:34:39] Yeah.
[00:34:40] Yeah.
[00:34:41] It's the whole outside the window.
[00:34:42] The hordes coming in.
[00:34:45] No.
[00:34:46] It doesn't even need to open your door, man.
[00:34:48] That's...
[00:34:49] No.
[00:34:51] Oh, we found our title.
[00:34:53] Perfect.
[00:34:54] So how does coming present?
[00:34:57] Yeah.
[00:34:58] Well...
[00:34:59] I thought it's probably gonna end that one.
[00:35:03] Yeah.
[00:35:04] Well, the episode that I chose for my creepiness is like...
[00:35:08] I tried to find something that was a little different but it was something that's...
[00:35:14] I realized I almost always skipped this episode just because it kind of creeped me out.
[00:35:20] It's Voyager's Revolgent.
[00:35:22] Mm-hmm.
[00:35:23] This is an episode where the Voyager gets a...
[00:35:27] Distress call from a hologram on a ship,
[00:35:30] an isomorphic projection as he calls himself,
[00:35:32] DeJerrin.
[00:35:33] And...
[00:35:35] He's...
[00:35:36] You know, my crew's dead I need help.
[00:35:38] But before that happens, the cold open.
[00:35:40] You basically just see a...
[00:35:44] Bloody-de-guy being pulled down the bulkhead and drug away.
[00:35:49] So...
[00:35:50] All the people who say modern trek is...
[00:35:52] You know, too gross and it's like...
[00:35:54] This is pretty...
[00:35:55] Shocking for...
[00:35:57] You know, 90s or early 2000s a...
[00:36:00] Star Trek.
[00:36:01] So it's...
[00:36:02] It's...
[00:36:03] Really bloody.
[00:36:04] And I think the red is probably a little brighter than...
[00:36:07] It would normally be just probably for Stanford practices.
[00:36:10] But it's still pretty...
[00:36:12] Shocking.
[00:36:13] And when he said, you know, something happened in my crew
[00:36:15] where there are dead and like, no, you know, immediately I'm like,
[00:36:18] He did this.
[00:36:19] It's pretty clear.
[00:36:20] And he's very...
[00:36:22] He's a unstable hologram but also fundamentally unstable.
[00:36:26] So...
[00:36:27] And...
[00:36:28] What surprised me about this episode is there isn't as much of the scary element
[00:36:32] as I thought.
[00:36:33] There's a lot of people out.
[00:36:35] And fortunately.
[00:36:37] Unfortunately.
[00:36:38] So this...
[00:36:39] We get a lot of what kind of becomes set up for the rest of Voyager
[00:36:43] in this episode.
[00:36:44] We have...
[00:36:45] After the cold open, we go to the...
[00:36:49] The...
[00:36:50] Not ready when I say...
[00:36:52] The...
[00:36:53] The...
[00:36:54] The canteen.
[00:36:55] What does it take all there?
[00:36:56] The mess hall.
[00:36:57] That's the work.
[00:36:58] The mess hall.
[00:36:59] Yeah, that's it.
[00:37:00] Canteen works too.
[00:37:01] Yeah.
[00:37:02] Some more British waves saying it.
[00:37:03] One day, we'll get enough sleep on Friday nights,
[00:37:05] so one Saturday, I can actually remember words.
[00:37:07] I can't hold you to that.
[00:37:08] Uh-huh.
[00:37:09] Hopefully after two days, they'll sleep better.
[00:37:12] We'll see.
[00:37:13] So...
[00:37:14] So in the...
[00:37:16] They're in the mess hall.
[00:37:17] They are telling the story about two valk and basically changing him.
[00:37:21] And it turns out...
[00:37:22] Yeah.
[00:37:23] It's a salmon and Harry.
[00:37:24] And it turns out that he's being promoted to Lieutenant Commander.
[00:37:29] Oh, wait.
[00:37:30] Commander?
[00:37:31] Lieutenant Commander.
[00:37:32] Yeah, because they continue to call him Lieutenant quite a bit.
[00:37:36] And he's basically says, you know, if I had known that ritual shaming was part of this process,
[00:37:40] I would not...
[00:37:41] I would have read...
[00:37:42] ...renaunce the promotion.
[00:37:45] Same.
[00:37:46] Yeah.
[00:37:47] So we learned that and then we...
[00:37:50] We have Janeway talking with Nielicks about his first ambassador,
[00:37:55] GIG.
[00:37:56] Uh-huh.
[00:37:57] We have Tom and Blanna sneaking off and making out,
[00:38:01] which is also new for them.
[00:38:03] They just said, I love you like an episode ago.
[00:38:07] No, she said it.
[00:38:08] He didn't.
[00:38:09] He didn't.
[00:38:10] He didn't.
[00:38:11] No.
[00:38:12] And they were...
[00:38:14] They were saying this like, well maybe it's just because we were dying.
[00:38:16] You know, like, they were in space.
[00:38:18] Their oxygen was running out and she's just like, nope.
[00:38:20] But I'll take him back.
[00:38:21] No, I meant that.
[00:38:22] Yeah.
[00:38:23] Yeah.
[00:38:24] I meant that.
[00:38:25] But you know, I don't expect you to reciprocate and just...
[00:38:28] ...to really awkward.
[00:38:31] And then of course, the doctor walks by because, of course he does.
[00:38:34] Mm-hmm.
[00:38:35] Yeah.
[00:38:36] And this is also where Harry talks with, uh,
[00:38:39] Chicote and they are building astro-mentrics.
[00:38:42] So there's a lot of stuff that we end up seeing.
[00:38:45] And the doctor just got his mobile mid-er half of last season ago.
[00:38:48] So there's still worried about sending him away with that because they don't know what will happen.
[00:38:53] Uh, so yeah.
[00:38:54] So we have a lot of stuff that eventually will be used later, which is kind of cool.
[00:38:58] Uh, the one plot line that we don't have to go into detail, which kind of takes way too much time is Harry and Seven working on astro-mentrics.
[00:39:06] And...
[00:39:08] And Harry, of course, isn't love, what's seven of nine because he's in love with everything that's just completely wrong for him.
[00:39:14] And it's not even... It's not even love.
[00:39:17] No, excuse me.
[00:39:19] Patuation.
[00:39:20] Yeah, it's in factuation more than anything else.
[00:39:22] And again, it's just a lot of the stuff that's just for the male gaze in the male ego and all that crap.
[00:39:28] It is just as an artist.
[00:39:29] It's not just anywhere for catsuit.
[00:39:31] Yeah, it's just not... It's not interesting to me at all.
[00:39:34] No.
[00:39:35] Um, there's some funny bits about her board perfectionism that isn't quite perfect right now,
[00:39:42] which I thought was kind of cool where she misaligned something by five microns.
[00:39:45] And that kind of just like, oh no, what? What is wrong with me?
[00:39:49] You know, so I do like that her reflection on her humanity reserting itself was kind of interesting.
[00:39:55] But then when she starts to do the whole thing about like, oh well maybe Harry wants to copulate and let's just, you know, let's do this all all explore human sexuality.
[00:40:02] That all seems to come way faster than it should have.
[00:40:05] And she seems like she's toying with him because either it's Jerry still finding that character and not getting her sort of a level of detachment into it yet.
[00:40:16] But she seems like she's about to write a laugh or smile every five seconds.
[00:40:21] She's like, hmm, okay.
[00:40:23] Well that could be direction as well.
[00:40:26] Yes, that's true.
[00:40:27] I do not remember who directed this episode.
[00:40:30] I don't even know.
[00:40:32] So, but anyway, so those are sort of that's what's happening on the ship.
[00:40:36] But what happens with the DeGerron, the hologram,
[00:40:42] Belana and the doctor go over to try to help him.
[00:40:47] And there's really good rapport back and forth between Belana and the doctor, especially when it comes to Tom.
[00:40:54] Just hold you know, every time he mentions Tom and she's just like, that is none of your business.
[00:40:59] He's like, oh sorry, maybe you need a tranquilizer.
[00:41:01] And she just this great look like.
[00:41:03] I can't even say I wish I had a screenshot and I should put that up.
[00:41:07] Look on her face.
[00:41:08] It's just like.
[00:41:10] If I wasn't.
[00:41:11] You know, so.
[00:41:12] So it's going to turn off your mobile a minute right now.
[00:41:15] Yeah.
[00:41:16] She'd had your not a regular hologram like you were before, which is mute you.
[00:41:22] Yeah.
[00:41:23] So they head over and there wandering through the ship and trying to figure out what went wrong.
[00:41:29] And you see DeGerron materialized and he has a hammer.
[00:41:34] It's this creepy.
[00:41:37] Like, just sort of ball-peen future thing.
[00:41:42] But you could tell that this is something he has used on the rest of the crew.
[00:41:48] Even though you don't see any blood on it, which I'm sure is also for standards and practices.
[00:41:52] Well, that's the thing is though I don't think it would be bloody because of his meticulousness.
[00:41:58] Oh, you're right.
[00:41:59] Yes.
[00:42:00] So he would have absolutely claimed it.
[00:42:03] Yeah, where revulsion comes from is essentially the just his just horrible revulsion.
[00:42:13] I can't remember if it's a word with our gannacks.
[00:42:18] And there's a lot of really cool omages to psycho in this because he goes off and he starts to have a conversation and then it just ramps up and it just gets more and more.
[00:42:32] He just talks about how you mash up your food and it falls into this pit of acid.
[00:42:37] And you don't even want to think about it.
[00:42:40] But that is really similar to a conversation in psycho that's starting out very much the same way with he brings food to balana.
[00:42:50] You know, like, oh, you're an organic, you need to eat and scare the hell out of her.
[00:42:54] And then gives her the food and then we go into this conversation about how gross it is.
[00:42:58] And he's the superior life form because he just uses energy, which is funny.
[00:43:02] It's like, well, yeah, I could turn the energy off and you're gone.
[00:43:04] Like what who's superior there, you know, if I don't have food, I'm okay for a while.
[00:43:10] I don't cease to be immediately.
[00:43:13] Yes, exactly.
[00:43:15] So it just was really interesting that they took that parallel and I'm trying to bring it up.
[00:43:22] The picture here we have.
[00:43:26] We have him just going at her.
[00:43:30] Well, first we start out, he talks about her balana eating and nibbling like a fish.
[00:43:36] And it's like, it was eating like a bird.
[00:43:39] So we have these nice little little parallels.
[00:43:41] And the scenes were very similar like shot for four or three so they had to kind of compress some things.
[00:43:46] You didn't get the nice wide shot.
[00:43:48] And it seemed like it was flipped.
[00:43:50] Like it's just like if you were standing the other side of Marion and Norman, it was we get this view.
[00:43:55] But they start out with they come up to balana and or Marion and either one of those.
[00:44:00] And the viewpoint is higher.
[00:44:02] So you're looking down on her and it definitely puts her in that, you know,
[00:44:07] at a disadvantage and visually your brain is already like, okay, he's and he's not taller than she is,
[00:44:14] but it really plays up on that.
[00:44:17] Yeah, it's it's emphasizing his superiority.
[00:44:20] Yeah, and her weakness.
[00:44:22] Yeah, which is funny because I totally would take balana over Marion and getting like that clearly like Marion would be.
[00:44:31] Yeah, she gets killed in the shower, balana would be like, nope, I'm grabbing that knife.
[00:44:35] So, oh, you thought you were going to kill me. Oh, hell.
[00:44:39] No.
[00:44:40] They didn't have a sonic shower scene at least.
[00:44:44] I am grateful for that.
[00:44:46] If they had when I went to laugh my butt off, which is probably not the atmosphere they were trying to set.
[00:44:52] So when I first saw this, I did not, I don't think I had seen psycho at least all the way through.
[00:44:57] I was one of those like I watched it with my eyes closed kind of thing.
[00:45:00] And right, okay.
[00:45:02] So I don't believe I would have put together two and two together and like, oh, this is no much that scene, but now when I went back and watched a couple weeks ago,
[00:45:08] I'm just like, oh, okay, I recognize this.
[00:45:12] So yeah.
[00:45:14] But I think that's what scared me the most in this is that it's just, you know it's coming and it's it just builds and you know balana's not going to die because it's 1990s Star Trek.
[00:45:29] But it's still scary and if this was done today, I actually would be worried that she might have been killed.
[00:45:37] And he hit one point grabs her when he's she's trying to turn off his matrix and puts his hand through her into like her chest cavity.
[00:45:48] Yeah, which we've seen in all sorts of sci-fi and horror film tropes and it's just like that's just terrifying.
[00:45:57] Yeah, and the flash seen that and the flash yes, that was kind of the first thing I thought I was like, oh.
[00:46:03] I was wondering, well, how does they want it comes out has not caused any permanent damage.
[00:46:13] I know right you would think that it would have caused some permanent damage, but I don't know if it's if it's I guess it's just depending on how quickly it's vibrating because if it's vibrating fast enough that it can pass through matter
[00:46:27] It's not going to do any damage unless you let it so unless you change the vibration that's my logic answer.
[00:46:35] Yeah, or something that's completely not possible at this time.
[00:46:39] Sure.
[00:46:43] And did Jared also has a holographic fish which is it was really fun I thought it was like it's a great.
[00:46:49] Yeah, canary in the coal mine or like you know that's about analogy but it's fish in the gold fishbowl.
[00:46:55] Uh, he has a pet basically you know he it was also and this is maybe me just.
[00:47:03] Connecting two things that aren't connected when he's talking about how he really hated his crewmates because he had to work in the.
[00:47:11] Uh, basically the in-gen room and didn't get to leave there and he was talking about all of their things and then he talks about their carnal.
[00:47:19] You know desires and then he immediately switches to they took advantage of me.
[00:47:25] And my brain is like, uh, are you implying but it sounds like you might be implying or am I just like.
[00:47:32] Yeah, and that's why I was just like you feel bad for him at the same time you don't.
[00:47:39] Yeah, I kind of I kind of feel like it means what you think it means.
[00:47:43] But because of the way it was done you know that they had to be very loose with their implication.
[00:47:48] Yeah.
[00:47:49] Considering that time nowadays they would just spell it out but yeah.
[00:47:54] So he's he's been you can understand his mental state.
[00:48:02] It doesn't you know, doesn't excuse him killing his entire ship.
[00:48:08] But and that's what's also really interesting we get he tells Bona that the deck below you can't can't go to lower decks.
[00:48:17] I can't go to the world.
[00:48:19] Sorry, balada stay away from stay away from Boimler.
[00:48:24] Well, yeah.
[00:48:28] The lower decks is flooded with radiation and it will kill anything organic and after she gets like the whole story about how she's gross and horrible human.
[00:48:38] She scans and finds out that there is no radiation there so talks to the doctor and this is where I it totally frustrated me as a viewer and it did again when I watched it.
[00:48:49] She's not clear about how disturbing and off this guy is when she tells the doctor to dark.
[00:48:58] Well, yeah, I mean, kind of humans are kind of gross like that but you're like no you're not getting it he's psychotic.
[00:49:04] You know there's there's a difference between like I'm expressing my viewpoint about humans and organics and what happened there.
[00:49:12] So I get that.
[00:49:17] I understand that I feel like it may be because if she were speaking with another organic life form, she may have been less careful.
[00:49:27] But because she was speaking with the doctor who is very much.
[00:49:32] In favor of holographic life and since she's she kind of has to be more careful that's how I read it.
[00:49:41] See that yeah.
[00:49:43] That's just me that's just I took it so I totally understand why you would take it that way and be frustrated absolutely.
[00:49:50] It just felt like it was the horror trope of the don't go up the stairs exactly that but you know just kind of be a little bit more explicit and maybe this won't happen of course then there would be story.
[00:50:01] So she goes down to this lower deck where she can access his matrix basically and I think these are pieces of deep space nine.
[00:50:11] Like the way the angles are and some of the doors the curves it just feels like part of the station that's been kind of reorganized into like a cube kind of.
[00:50:22] Yeah well, waste not quite.
[00:50:25] Yeah, no and it works really well because the way it's been kind of cobbled together feels it makes the it feel like it's more of a maze because I when he gets chased.
[00:50:35] I have no idea what the layout is so it's hard to tell is she okay or not because she's like looks like she's hiding behind a pillar and he's just like oh okay you know like wait wait can't you just walk around the corner but he's playing with her at that point.
[00:50:49] Yeah, but so she goes down and she opens up the computer in the matrix and she turns on something which turns lights on and when she does there's like these glass panels and behind the glass panels.
[00:51:00] Are the dead crew people.
[00:51:03] No.
[00:51:04] Or it's levels of like hanging and yeah is that's pretty terrifying.
[00:51:11] It is it really is.
[00:51:14] And or anything where you you in it horror movie where you just suddenly see a body.
[00:51:20] Yeah, all of them so many so many dead people yeah there and I love because you're feeling to dread before she is seeing what's happening and so it's building and building and building for the viewers.
[00:51:37] And she does right we don't we do because she's turning the lights on and she's she's not seeing what we're seeing yet.
[00:51:45] Yeah, so we're just like.
[00:51:47] Turn around.
[00:51:51] I think you're in around because she needs to be able to point out.
[00:51:54] Yeah, well, she was she already had she already knew he was psychotic but I don't think she realized exactly how psychotic until she gets to see the bodies.
[00:52:06] Yeah and so he had hacked her and she you know struggles they do the thing and then she turns off the the emitters and great goes to find the doctor says, you know I've got got this taken care of let's just get out of here.
[00:52:20] So they're getting all their stuff together and the doctor kind of looks over and you see the fish the fish that is not real the fish that is holographic it's like.
[00:52:31] You sure you got all the emitters like yes it's like I check again and then you hear a thud.
[00:52:38] And it's just like I think what's more frightening than like anything else is that it's just silent it's just donk and like on you know it's a flesh sound and then.
[00:52:50] And then whacked in the I'm assuming the back of the head.
[00:52:53] Because we don't really see anything but the doctor is then is like okay now it's up to me to stop this and.
[00:53:02] The he throws the hammer at the doctor and the doctor is like picks it up and throws it back through him it's like we could do this all day.
[00:53:11] Until he remembers that the doctor has a mobile a midter and just wax the mobile a midter which shorts the doctor out.
[00:53:19] And so balana is like half conscious and that point is when oh something that was telegraphed earlier is that if he walks through the the electrical cable that's exposed it will destabilize the matrix and like oh that's the check off's gun.
[00:53:33] Yep, and so she basically turns on this big.
[00:53:37] Looks like a USB cable kind of.
[00:53:41] It does look like a yes.
[00:53:44] Just giant like the whole the kind with the wrapped right you know like the cloth covering or whatever so it's.
[00:53:51] Yeah, and then just saps him and then it's over so I do like that we got the two like it's over no it's not really over and it's over again about the horror trope of that.
[00:54:03] And it just the whole thing is just unsettling and just the guy does a really great over the top.
[00:54:13] I don't know, it's just hard to explain him he's like Norman baits plus.
[00:54:18] Yeah, well he's he's got this thing going on where it's like I'm really okay there's nothing wrong with me I'm making I've just been mistreated and now I'm going to kill you.
[00:54:29] He's doing it like just the stuttery like yeah, it is it's disturbing.
[00:54:39] Very disturbing.
[00:54:41] So that was that's why I picked that just because it's like whenever I was like why am I skipping this episode and I realized oh I'm skipping it because that's really creepy.
[00:54:50] I think now that I've watched it you know just as a kind of methodical review type of watching it's not doesn't have quite the same power anymore, but you took each of the curse off it.
[00:55:04] I did take the curse off of it yeah, I also take the officer realizes like oh I probably skip because a lot of that is filler like that episode could have been a half hour episode.
[00:55:12] Yeah, or it could have been a longer episode with better pacing.
[00:55:17] Yes, I thought he's not to say that I hate yeah it's not to say that I hate the pacing is just that I did not care for the other plot.
[00:55:26] When did you live with the jaren and balon in the doctor? It goes really well.
[00:55:32] Yeah, the other stuff feels like it's almost out of order or something.
[00:55:36] It's just a good song. No, it feels like it does set up a lot of stuff in the future but it sets it up where you could have done it in about two minutes.
[00:55:51] It's like getting exposition with visuals.
[00:55:55] It's not really a story.
[00:55:58] No, no, the thing is this I said I had no.
[00:56:01] No, I said no whole thing with Harry and seven. Like if you go back and read his comments from the time it's just like you don't want to think about that what about Garrett that way just his like oh I was so upset that we didn't get to make out and
[00:56:16] It's like I threw the script against the wall jokingly.
[00:56:20] But that's okay.
[00:56:23] Yeah, there are certain things that these days aren't funny.
[00:56:30] You joke about them and that's one of those things.
[00:56:35] I feel like grown as a person.
[00:56:38] He's absolutely grown. He is absolutely not that way now.
[00:56:42] So it's you know, it's all good but it was the 90s and he was like what 25 26 so
[00:56:51] He was just you know, he didn't quite have the maturity yet to understand that that is not okay.
[00:56:58] Yeah, one thing I forgot to mention about devil in the dark before I forget that.
[00:57:06] Yeah, it's that this was the only episode of the original series that begins without the enterprise or it's crew being involved in the teaser.
[00:57:15] So that's another thing that kind of like really brings in that different feeling but the feeling of something's off.
[00:57:23] Also there's the only episode that had no female speaking parts.
[00:57:26] Yeah, sure didn't have people with color had people with color so there's not because there is there is at least one African American guy and
[00:57:36] there's another guy that looked like he could have been of Middle Eastern descent or Indian descent and so and I say Indian as in India.
[00:57:47] Yes, because that's what Indians are they are from India.
[00:57:52] Sorry, really bugs me when people call Native Americans Indians, just really bothers me so much.
[00:57:59] I can't remember when it was kind of is a kid obviously like I didn't know but I think it must have been in the 80s sometimes where it's like oh wait that's not you shouldn't be calling him that.
[00:58:10] Yeah, I look at really mad at my parents for Oriental rug which I actually have found out that it's actually okay because that's a crap.
[00:58:16] Yeah, and I'm just like not Oriental rug don't say Oriental and like what.
[00:58:20] Yeah, but I had the right yeah, I just had the wrong information.
[00:58:24] Yeah, we'll see that's the thing Oriental is for objects Asian is for people.
[00:58:30] There you go. That's a good good short hand.
[00:58:35] The more you know.
[00:58:38] I know weird stuff guys, I just do.
[00:58:42] So yeah, that, I lost my train of thought.
[00:58:47] Oh, but the original the idea of African American and it just that was really cool.
[00:58:55] I also like that we had representative of like maybe Jersey or Brooklyn or something Brooklyn.
[00:59:02] Yeah, Brooklyn Brooklyn Brooklyn Brooklyn.
[00:59:04] Yeah, they pointed that out. Yeah, or Bronx you know, or Bronx.
[00:59:08] What is the Bronx 9?
[00:59:10] That's survived well under the 20th century.
[00:59:13] You know what. Yeah, that was great.
[00:59:17] I guess that makes sense. I guess it's sort of you know the hard working, you know physical labor type just sort of evolved and they maybe they got their own colony like food that Irish colony.
[00:59:27] They tend to take parts of the world and just lock them down onto a planet so sure why not we got the Brooklyn Bronx contingency.
[00:59:38] Terrace well or something like that whatever part of the terra program.
[00:59:45] I like it. I like it. So good.
[00:59:48] So actually we did ask some of our viewers out there what they thought was their scariest bits of Star Trek and I would put this up here.
[00:59:59] So if anybody in the chat room wants to share theirs, I should put this up earlier.
[01:00:04] We have some to read here. We got Will Smith. Will Smith. Will Smith.
[01:00:10] They actually want his favorite scary moment is when bones runs into the dead people in Wrath of Khan. He said, as a young man, jump out of a seat.
[01:00:21] I get that.
[01:00:23] Peter says Beverly's seen in night terrors always creeps me out when the corpses decide to sit up on their own.
[01:00:30] Yes, yes, yes, that.
[01:00:34] I think what scares me and that scene more is her hair.
[01:00:38] That wig is not great.
[01:00:42] It's not most of them were not for her.
[01:00:45] I think it was just her wig combined with like if you're like they didn't do anything to her face or they did or something. It's just like she looked younger when she wasn't made to look equal to, quote, unquote, younger. It was very weird.
[01:00:57] Also schism's frame in mind go high on the list of creepiest episode as a whole.
[01:01:02] So yeah, we've got Rick says a boring drill bit in regards eyeball. That's scary and grows.
[01:01:12] It's it makes me hurt.
[01:01:16] Yeah, like physically.
[01:01:18] This is another one I would have thought of actually bringing up Sarah Garber said it's polarizing episode but the thought terrified me is the child. That was the episode invoidsure where they are stuck inside of a virtual reality.
[01:01:30] And the system. And with fear just basically the fear itself.
[01:01:36] Who was personified as by linear squeaky for a virtual reality camera, but it's name Michael McKinnon. Thank you. Yeah, he did a great job is just like he's the psychotic kind of the Joker type of character and Jane way of course defeats fear.
[01:01:56] I'm not giving it agency essentially.
[01:02:00] I haven't seen that episode in a really long time. So it's you know, I'm rewatching Voyager nails so don't worry I'll get to it.
[01:02:07] Christopher D. Littlefield says I like when de-a-volved warf spits in Beverly's face that's some top not actually top not acting there. Hello well.
[01:02:16] Right.
[01:02:20] Yeah, psychociller garrick was pretty scary.
[01:02:24] Oh yeah, yep that was um yeah.
[01:02:30] It was hard that was hard for me. Oh yeah the board is popping out of the first contact. Yeah.
[01:02:37] That's a jump scare but it also grows at the same time and scary.
[01:02:40] Like you kind of see it coming because you see something moving under the skin before tops out, but you don't know what it's going to be. I mean you think you know.
[01:02:49] I mean I think we all thought it was going to be a bargain plant but just seeing it is just no.
[01:02:55] Jonathan Hamilton had a really good one when I was eight years old Jordi on the holedock and identity crisis trying to find the source of the mysterious shadow freaky me out when the computer comes up with the vaguely humanoid lump.
[01:03:07] It's like I guess it's just as the source of the shadow it was completely terrifying to me even at 35 it creeps me out of it.
[01:03:14] Same. Yeah same.
[01:03:17] I jokingly said it looks like one of those the thumbnails for a YouTube video where the red circle is around the black lump and it's like you know top 10 shadow people caught on camera.
[01:03:26] But it is it is creepy.
[01:03:29] Especially because you don't know what it is and it's just this it's actually scarier as the lump than it was with the you know the lowing.
[01:03:38] Tron slash.
[01:03:41] I have a tron or whatever I don't know.
[01:03:43] No that's a good description for it. I hadn't thought of it in those terms what you are correct.
[01:03:50] Oh, the motion picture guy getting caught in the transport was particularly disturbing scene yes.
[01:03:57] Oh, it is. Oh, I was thinking about that last night.
[01:04:02] I was thinking about that last night actually I don't know why I was thinking about that last night but I was.
[01:04:08] I was changing my clothes into my jams and I just started thinking I don't know why I just started thinking about oh I was I remember I was thinking about the difference between commissioned officers and on commissioned officers etc.
[01:04:19] And thinking about how Rand was a young man and now she's a transport or chief sort of person and then just I was thinking about that and then thinking about that but the sound is the worst part of it the sound is it will stick in your mind forever and ever and ever.
[01:04:38] So I feel like they just sort of with somebody needed to be a transporter officer and they wanted somebody didn't want to get an extra as like yeah you can do that.
[01:04:45] It's like I'm a nurse that's fine. Whatever. Yeah, I wish you thought it was obviously but and this of course we can't leave out in wrath of this is a Christina in wrath of con when the slugs slash eel thing went into check-offs ear it was terrifying for something I was terrified for years at something would crawl in might year.
[01:05:05] Yep, same actually when the first time that we watched that movie as a family was actually on video cassette and I had I left the room I left the room.
[01:05:18] When that happened I'm like nope. Nope. No, thank you it was a Saturday night I remember it was a Saturday night because I went in my parents bedroom where there was a small TV and I'm like okay what's on right now love boat okay let's watch love boat and then we'll watch fantasy other which is kind of funny because you know fantasy island cardamom to bond and then fantasy island wasn't on after love boat was over I was so upset and so I went back in the other room and it's the scene where the thing is come out and check off them.
[01:05:47] Not a joke that actually happened. Oh, this is a good one I want to make sure homeless McCoy says right here in that asylum.
[01:06:01] Yeah, where you do not know if you are crazy or not and what is going on that is that's really disturbing.
[01:06:08] Yeah, there's they actually I can't Dave will remember there is a musical group that sampled that I might be surrounded by an instant by insanity but I'm not insane that riker says oh and then kind of did a whole song around now.
[01:06:29] Yeah, it's very cool Dave will remember who it is so but yeah I want to mention that coming up at two o'clock right here on the network we have the improvised generation on screen doing their mirror universe episodes of that is our continuing the Star Trek creepy Halloweeny sort of feels so to a clock about now or from now check it out.
[01:06:52] So I think that kind of wraps it up for us. I think we we've covered the scary.
[01:06:58] Yeah, Dave actually popped in with its band called ulcer.
[01:07:03] Ah, see I can you hear no because it was his music.
[01:07:08] Oh yeah, voxalize also a good one. Yes.
[01:07:15] Yes, thank you so I did I say new ulcer.
[01:07:23] I said new ulcer.
[01:07:24] No, you said new Mexico.
[01:07:26] Okay, so well next week we're going to be well actually this week we're going to cover far from home.
[01:07:38] No, far from home is a far from home.
[01:07:41] People are people of earth we're going to be recording that probably Monday.
[01:07:45] So we should be back on our regular schedule so yay.
[01:07:49] That is a really powerful episode and this is when we're i cried so I can't remember you did as well yeah I was like we're we're either sharing our crying or taking turns.
[01:08:01] But it's very it talks to 2020 let's put it that way. It's very yeah.
[01:08:13] So uncannily pressure.
[01:08:15] Yeah, the fact that it finished four days before the lockdown is crazy like this was filmed in August I think the one that we are reviewing so yeah well before that was a thing.
[01:08:29] So tune in for that and like I said stay tuned for more Halloween programming on the network where you have a movie tonight I believe that we're screening so yeah tune in.
[01:08:42] And thank you so much and live long and prosper.
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