012 - Hand Canon

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[00:01:05] Hello.

[00:01:08] Hello.

[00:01:12] We have another special guest with week.

[00:01:14] Welcome to Drunk.

[00:01:17] Ruth, yes.

[00:01:18] It's you.

[00:01:18] It's you.

[00:01:20] Oh, thank you.

[00:01:21] Thank you.

[00:01:22] No, no, thank you.

[00:01:23] Yes, thank you.

[00:01:25] No, we wanted to kick off the season three episode of the season three,

[00:01:33] season of Discovery with a special guest.

[00:01:36] And we always like to start a new show, a new series or a new season with somebody

[00:01:40] and we decided that Bruce, it's been far too long since we've asked you to come on.

[00:01:47] That didn't make any sense.

[00:01:48] I'm going to help.

[00:01:49] I mean, you're up to what over 100 episodes it's been right 123 now.

[00:01:54] We're on this is episode 12.

[00:01:57] Now it sounds like I'm talking about episode one.

[00:02:00] I'm just really, really, really good enough.

[00:02:02] Yeah.

[00:02:02] Behind the scenes how the sausages being made,

[00:02:05] I we were trying something new this week.

[00:02:07] We're doing an audio recap with screenshots and rendering doesn't really happen very quickly

[00:02:14] when you house, so have streaming yard running and everything else.

[00:02:16] So what you're going to get is a half done version all the audio's there and some of the pictures

[00:02:21] are missing but it'll be good.

[00:02:24] Hey, next week.

[00:02:25] That's a little bit like right.

[00:02:26] We'll take one ever.

[00:02:28] Yeah.

[00:02:28] Right.

[00:02:29] I know fly.

[00:02:30] You know what?

[00:02:32] Just real quick, because I listened to last episode when you had Dan on,

[00:02:35] Dan Gunther on and at the beginning of this show, you said,

[00:02:37] well, at least we have two improvisers here.

[00:02:39] Well, now you have three.

[00:02:41] All the name props.

[00:02:42] So this should be a really interesting episode.

[00:02:44] Yay.

[00:02:45] We're just going to show now.

[00:02:46] We're going to get a new show now.

[00:02:47] Yeah, exactly.

[00:02:48] Yes.

[00:02:48] We need to get the new show.

[00:02:49] We should not up so I can say what I've been trying to say for five minutes.

[00:02:54] Thank you.

[00:02:55] This is like our other live show.

[00:02:57] Go on.

[00:02:57] That's what I'm trying to say.

[00:02:59] It's so fitting that you're here, Bruce, because this has been way too long since we've done

[00:03:03] a live show about discovery.

[00:03:06] I know.

[00:03:06] It's like old times.

[00:03:07] Isn't it?

[00:03:08] Except parents not in the chat room.

[00:03:09] He's on here with us.

[00:03:13] That one, that one caveat.

[00:03:14] That one caveat, but no.

[00:03:15] Well, what time we were?

[00:03:17] Were we all three together on the edge at some point?

[00:03:20] Yes.

[00:03:20] I'm pretty sure what we were on a live from the edge.

[00:03:23] Yeah.

[00:03:24] So at one point we trusted every two others.

[00:03:27] Yeah.

[00:03:27] Yeah.

[00:03:28] And then life happens.

[00:03:29] Actually, real life improv happened.

[00:03:31] And that's why I had to like doing classes and shows and everything.

[00:03:34] It just was not tenable too.

[00:03:35] Also then trying to do a live show at the same time.

[00:03:40] Yeah, it's a bit much.

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:42] Brandy.

[00:03:42] That.

[00:03:43] Uh-huh.

[00:03:44] Yes, Brandy is the queen of way too many podcasts.

[00:03:48] Yes, I am.

[00:03:49] I am the queen of Queen of Queen.

[00:03:53] Yeah, Queen of the Crap.

[00:03:55] The queen of the Crap.

[00:03:57] And I'll be sure I do two mini shows.

[00:04:00] I do two mini shows.

[00:04:01] Not one school library.

[00:04:02] I do, I'm the queen of doing too much.

[00:04:07] That's me.

[00:04:08] That was almost British, where were you?

[00:04:12] So.

[00:04:16] Well, besides discovery, there's actually some other news this week.

[00:04:19] Well, related to discovery, we have learned that there is going to be a season four.

[00:04:24] Yay.

[00:04:25] Despite what the trusted sources say, they all say that and all of that is that a bunch of people on

[00:04:32] four channel repeating the same thing.

[00:04:33] So if two or more people are saying it, it must be true.

[00:04:37] And there are no trusted sources because if there were,

[00:04:40] they wouldn't be spouting this stuff.

[00:04:42] But you know, I mean, who are you going to believe the the page

[00:04:46] shills at CBS who actually work on the show or, you know, like that random person on YouTube?

[00:04:52] Well, the thing that makes me laugh is the people that say, uh, yeah,

[00:04:57] Kurtzmann's gone rogue.

[00:04:59] I'm sorry.

[00:05:00] There is no way in hell that that is what happened.

[00:05:04] You can't just suddenly start filming for a new season of a series without a bunch of people

[00:05:12] know and about it.

[00:05:13] You put a tweet.

[00:05:14] They don't like down and you're out of the company.

[00:05:18] I mean, it's just like it's your there's no no chance that that's going to be a

[00:05:22] no.

[00:05:22] Not when I hadn't heard that's crazy.

[00:05:24] Yeah, I actually saw that one and I'm just like, oh, okay.

[00:05:29] Yeah, because because he's been fired, you know, he's been fired again.

[00:05:32] Never.

[00:05:33] He just refuses to leave.

[00:05:35] I mean, they really should get better security.

[00:05:37] I think it's like up to like in the hundreds now, the amount of time to get fired.

[00:05:41] So well, I always joke that that's uh, the show never aired.

[00:05:46] It's been camp.

[00:05:46] It's it's a pre-cancelation paradox.

[00:05:52] Well, I did hear it was canceled in February of 2020.

[00:05:55] So, you know, yeah, if you I have a timeline that somebody put together after we made this list of

[00:06:01] all the okay, it's not coming.

[00:06:04] It's been canceled.

[00:06:05] They stopped production.

[00:06:07] The season ones launched but the the the response was so horrible that they're taking it down.

[00:06:14] It's stopping mid season.

[00:06:15] I mean, and you just put all of those together and it's just it's ridiculous.

[00:06:21] I don't know.

[00:06:22] I don't understand people.

[00:06:23] It's so ridiculous to the point that now I think it's valid.

[00:06:28] And the reason I say that is because, you know, all these things of it's happening.

[00:06:33] It's not happening or whatever.

[00:06:34] All the it reminds me of work like when I'm at my job,

[00:06:39] every all these rumors are going around.

[00:06:41] So even if somebody knew somebody at CBS, they're probably hearing these things.

[00:06:44] Because rumors are always going around.

[00:06:46] You know, yeah.

[00:06:48] And no one can make up their minds.

[00:06:50] There was probably a board meeting where they're like, we're not doing a season four.

[00:06:52] Yeah, we are. No, we're not.

[00:06:53] Yeah, we are.

[00:06:54] No, we're not.

[00:06:55] And YouTube is just listening in.

[00:06:57] They said no, but I don't.

[00:07:00] Well, I could see, you know, given the pandemic that there's probably,

[00:07:03] you know, there's challenges for another season.

[00:07:06] I guess they wrap season three what four or five days before the lockdown.

[00:07:10] So they, they, they got under the wire.

[00:07:13] So you know, they're, yeah.

[00:07:16] And they're able to do, you know, the animated show just because that can be done from

[00:07:20] people's homes.

[00:07:21] I think that they mentioned that somebody was recording audio like in a closet.

[00:07:25] So they were like, didn't go into a recording booth necessarily.

[00:07:30] Basically, like podcasts have been doing for what how many years, you know?

[00:07:34] Like a word for us.

[00:07:36] They could.

[00:07:37] You just need a good quality mic.

[00:07:39] There's exactly this is Brandy and I've had this conversation.

[00:07:42] There are so many new podcasts now because people don't have anything to do, but podcast.

[00:07:49] And they're like, oh my goodness, like how how do you get the audio to be?

[00:07:53] It's like it's a mic.

[00:07:54] You just can't use your earbuds.

[00:07:56] You can't, you know, there's a really simple answer that I don't know why people don't

[00:08:02] reach sooner.

[00:08:03] You know, it doesn't have to be in a super expensive mic.

[00:08:05] It just has to be a decent one.

[00:08:07] Yeah.

[00:08:08] And you're putting yourself in a closet with clothes or something does bed in the

[00:08:12] lot of the sound and, you know, I love when you watch or listen to a podcast and you just hear

[00:08:17] sirens in the background or something and they incorporated in like, oh, they're coming to get

[00:08:20] me now.

[00:08:23] That's what they improvise in, like taking the the problem and making it a gift basically.

[00:08:28] Yeah.

[00:08:29] You feel.

[00:08:30] Yeah, there are no wrong moves and improv actually there are, but

[00:08:35] you know, if somebody says something like that, I'm like, oh, sorry.

[00:08:38] There is there is a wrong answer and that the wrong answer is no.

[00:08:44] You never, you never negate someone's reality.

[00:08:48] Sometimes it can work.

[00:08:50] There are instances when you can say no.

[00:08:53] Yes, you can say no, but yes at the same time.

[00:08:55] But what I'm saying, you know, I come in and say, oh, I'm so happy to see you granddaughter.

[00:09:02] You're now my grandma.

[00:09:03] That's what I'm talking about.

[00:09:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

[00:09:06] That.

[00:09:07] Yeah.

[00:09:08] Yes, we had a contest to like, what is the quickest way to end a scene?

[00:09:14] And I just walked out and shot somebody.

[00:09:16] Yeah, like, yeah.

[00:09:17] And if they take that as reality, well then they're dead and then it's over.

[00:09:22] Goodbye.

[00:09:23] I have once into to scene that way but it was always building that to that conclusion

[00:09:29] that this person was going to die.

[00:09:30] Yeah, yeah.

[00:09:31] We've done improvised well I haven't done it but I've seen improvised check-off being done.

[00:09:35] So you always look like the possibility somebody's going to end up dead by by some means.

[00:09:43] Now speaking of check-offs gun, I don't know where that is leading to.

[00:09:47] That was actually a that would have been a good lead in if we were talking about

[00:09:52] crisis point on lower text where we had a Da Vinci's gun basically.

[00:09:58] But we're going to try something new this week.

[00:10:01] We're going to run a pre-recorded recap of the show that we watched.

[00:10:08] So we don't spend the entire hour just trying to recount what the show is and sprinkling random things in

[00:10:15] between.

[00:10:16] So, and this is this is new so I'm trying to different technologies.

[00:10:21] So give me just a second here.

[00:10:22] You guys can speak among yourselves as I get this.

[00:10:24] Oh my gosh, it makes me nervous.

[00:10:27] I'm nervous too.

[00:10:28] I'm nervous.

[00:10:29] No, I'm not sure how this is going to work.

[00:10:30] I'm not really nervous.

[00:10:32] Well, now you're not.

[00:10:33] Like, now you're making me nervous.

[00:10:35] I'm only nervous for Aaron because I know Aaron's probably nervous.

[00:10:38] Okay.

[00:10:38] I'm ready.

[00:10:39] And if he's not here, it should be.

[00:10:41] Oh, oh well now he's definitely nervous.

[00:10:43] All right then.

[00:10:44] Okay, it's working, right?

[00:10:46] Yes.

[00:10:50] That opens you part one.

[00:10:51] Opens with Mozart Symphony number 45 and D major.

[00:10:55] We see a man going through his daily routine over and over.

[00:10:58] Always ending with the Daproll man sitting in his desk

[00:11:01] with an old case with a Starfleet Simmelonette

[00:11:03] and patiently activating what appears to be a galaxy-wide signal search.

[00:11:07] Whatever he's looking for, it would appear he's not yet found it.

[00:11:11] In a sudden dramatic change of pace we cut to a debris field.

[00:11:14] One piece of wreckage is a very familiar looking saucer shape with an NCC on it.

[00:11:18] A dogfight between two ships of unknown design is

[00:11:21] co-reening through the debris field.

[00:11:23] The ship being chased is sleek and has a futuristic navigation

[00:11:26] on the view screen and angry alien is hurling insults and demanding that the pilot return

[00:11:31] is stolen item which he himself had stolen.

[00:11:33] That pilot is Cleveland Booker or Book.

[00:11:36] And his ships computer is warning him that a space-time anomaly has been detected.

[00:11:40] Flying out of the anomaly is Michael Burnham in the red angel suit.

[00:11:43] She smacks into the ship being chased and starts tumbling towards a planet.

[00:11:47] Her suit system is unresponsive and the only thing she can do is reboot

[00:11:51] and you know how a computer always seems to go slow just when you need it the most.

[00:11:55] This is the ultimate version of that.

[00:11:58] We see Booker's ship is also in a similar dilemma and both crafts are leaving smoke trails

[00:12:02] and creating sonic booms as they fall from the sky.

[00:12:05] While her face plate is cracked and life support is failing, she's come out relatively unskathed

[00:12:10] for herdling through time and hitting the ground.

[00:12:13] Michael suits deactivates freeing her.

[00:12:15] She grabs an emergency pack from the back of the suit, it contains a tricorder, a badge,

[00:12:19] a phaser, rations, and what she's looking for a communicator.

[00:12:24] She flips up in the communicator and calls for discovery with no response.

[00:12:28] Soon, the reality of her situation begins to sink in.

[00:12:32] The suit tells her that she has reached the year 3188 and that yes, there are multiple

[00:12:37] lifesigns so it would appear that their mission was a success.

[00:12:40] She begins screaming to joy but its short lived as her suit sends her an alert that the wormhole is

[00:12:44] closing. She quickly sets the suit to go off into the wormhole, send the final signal to spock,

[00:12:49] and self-destruct. She proudly places her starfleet badge on her flight suit and with some

[00:12:55] great pain forces herself to make her way towards the other plume of smoke in the sky,

[00:12:59] the crash site of book or ship far off in the distance and the opening credits roll.

[00:13:05] The intro has a few changes, the crystals have gone from green to red.

[00:13:09] Some worker bots similar to efferna.have appeared. There's a new phaser.

[00:13:14] What I think is book ship, and what we assume will be the new starfleet badges.

[00:13:19] The updated logo strangely still has the star trek in the discovery font.

[00:13:23] CBS has been rolling out the classic TOS Horizon font as the unifying brand elements,

[00:13:28] so it's kind of strange to see the old red rail super fast font.

[00:13:33] And we end with the distortion of some kind.

[00:13:35] Back from the opening, Burnham approaches bookers down ship and he springs a surprise attack on her.

[00:13:40] After some back and forth they are able to talk things through but only after Burnham puts

[00:13:45] an antique phaser to his head. At first book is not interested in where Burnham came from,

[00:13:50] as she tries to deduce exactly what happens. It turns out that the planet is not

[00:13:54] too elicium but one named heem. She pleads with him to help her and because it's a television show,

[00:13:59] he does. They enter his damage ship and burnham marvels at the technology. Booker makes

[00:14:05] reference to a dead lithium recrystallizer, technology pioneered by the Zahia that eventually

[00:14:10] found its way into mainstream use apparently, and then we meet Grudge, his giant maincoon cat.

[00:14:15] And the rest of the show is all about Grudge. But well no, but she probably wants you to think that.

[00:14:22] Book explains that they have to get to a place called the Merkin tile in order to trade for

[00:14:25] death lithium. But what will they trade? Burnham's antique tricorder, of course,

[00:14:29] there are a lot of 30 second century cosplayers who would pay a pretty penny for a screen used

[00:14:33] discovery era tricorder. As they leave the ship, we learn that the cargo he stole is

[00:14:38] temperature sensitive. Some conversation and comment about Burnham's delta shield leads to the

[00:14:43] devastating fact that the federation no longer exists. Naturally, this comes as something of a

[00:14:48] shock to Burnham. She presses him for more information and then he talks about the burn. But

[00:14:53] of course, she doesn't know anything about that either. The burn turns out to be not an omega

[00:14:58] particle as a lot of fans hypothesized, but instead it was a day when every dilithium crystal

[00:15:03] aboard every starship exploded for reasons. This probably isn't going to turn out to be a natural

[00:15:09] phenomenon and obviously there are links to the first round of short tracks, specifically the

[00:15:13] episodes run away and later clips. Burnham vows know the federation is not just about starships

[00:15:20] in work drive, it's about a vision and those people who believe in a vision. They continue to

[00:15:26] have vast sprawling city laid out in front of them feeling a bit like free cloud from Star Trek

[00:15:29] Picard. To gain access, they must first clear security and of course Burnham doesn't have any

[00:15:34] identification. Book using his charm and more importantly the lure of money from antiques convinces

[00:15:41] the enduring guards to let them enter. Once inside, Michael hands over her tricorder for book

[00:15:45] to exchange for dilithium and instead of taking her to the communications array where she

[00:15:49] hoped to send another message to discovery, he leads her instead to the vault and she suddenly

[00:15:55] finds herself trapped in a confinement being. Book snatches the rest of Burnham's gear and at first

[00:15:59] she pleases with him and then she promises to kill him. But books only concern his complaining

[00:16:03] his current assignment and he takes off before any authorities arrive. And Orion and Endorian

[00:16:08] begin questioning Burnham and give her a dose of a truth drug which results in some hilarious

[00:16:12] side effects and really interesting camera moves. Soon Burnham could give Tilly a run for a money

[00:16:16] in the chatting department. We cut back to book having a hard time selling Burnham's antiques and when

[00:16:21] we returned to Michael, the guards are asking about what cargo they were hauling. I don't know

[00:16:26] but it was temperature sensitive and really really valuable so it's probably ice cream.

[00:16:30] Ice cream. The guards take Burnham to find book and they find him getting a beat down from

[00:16:35] cosmos, the guy chasing him in the opening scene. A lot of cliché, I don't like you but we're

[00:16:40] going to fight together happens and before the Paris Gapes with the 8th of the 30 second

[00:16:44] century portable transporter Burnham scoops up some dilithium. The guards follow, pin down and

[00:16:50] unable to dispatch all of them, book grabs Burnham and they leap from the edge of a cliff

[00:16:54] and activated transporters they fall. Thankfully they landed in a lake and book

[00:16:58] hopefully provides the exposition that that board doesn't work on water unless you got power.

[00:17:03] I mean that it can't be tracked underwater. Really? That's what you're going with

[00:17:09] in the 30 second century. Okidoki. Burnham was wounded in the fight and book performed some sort of

[00:17:17] prayer causing a plant to emerge from the water and give him some blue gel. Book says it will

[00:17:22] aid in her healing and people say that the animated series is weird. As they recover,

[00:17:27] Burnham confirms that she is indeed a time traveler and we learn from book that all time

[00:17:31] travel technology was destroyed after the temporal wars and event referenced in Star Trek

[00:17:36] Enterprise episode Stormfront. Burnham and book eventually reached his cloaked ship but are

[00:17:41] unsurprisingly ambushed by Cosmo and the Endorian and Orion guards and even Alurian. In

[00:17:47] a twist, the guards turn on Cosmo blasting him before demanding books cargo which they intend to keep

[00:17:52] themselves. Giant slug emerges and eats everyone much to burn him's surprise then it turns on

[00:17:58] Burnham and eats her. Thankfully though we get a spider cow lowered dex boy and alert kind of moment

[00:18:04] and book again uses as Dr. Do Little Skills and talks to the Transform into Spitting Burnham out.

[00:18:10] Now back on the ship, repaired and traveling at warp thanks to DiLithium,

[00:18:14] book explains that he's among other things that conservationists saving those

[00:18:17] transforms now that the Federation has gone and no one is enforcing the Endaangered Species Act.

[00:18:22] He talks about his connection to life forms and a little bit about his family explaining that they

[00:18:26] are all poachers but he's taken a different path. In our final scene, book takes Burnham some

[00:18:32] place she might get some answers. They fly to an enormous wrecked Federation relay station.

[00:18:37] They make their way to the attendance office where we see the man from the beginning of the episode

[00:18:41] sitting in his desk. Hello welcome to Starfleet. May I help you? He asks.

[00:18:47] Burnham introduces herself with her name, rank and serial number and the stunned man

[00:18:51] helps them search for discovery. They don't find it and he explains that he only has limited

[00:18:56] scanning range. He's been cut off from other sectors long ago. He produces the age starfleet

[00:19:01] case and we see that it's actually a futuristic Federation flag. He explains that it's been

[00:19:05] in his family for generations and only a commissioned officer may raise it. The episode ends with

[00:19:11] the raising of the flag and a vow from Burnham to find the other Federation members that are out

[00:19:15] there somewhere. I would like to be more

[00:19:25] the Transform has a name and that name is Molly.

[00:19:31] Was that in the show? Yes, it was.

[00:19:35] Missed that. He called her Molly. Molly. I kind of the Brian.

[00:19:41] Oh come together. That's why a Brian is the most important person in Starfleet.

[00:19:50] They're even naming Transforms after his children.

[00:19:53] Yeah. I did not catch that. All right, or I assume that it was like a

[00:19:59] some kind of nick name sort of thing. I don't know.

[00:20:03] Oh yeah. All right. Well yes and I did throw in a little bit of editorializing in there.

[00:20:08] But I figured we'll probably share this you know back and forth. A lot of different people do

[00:20:12] the interest but does that seem to work a little bit better? I know we're working this out live

[00:20:16] on the air. But I think it feels like now we can actually just talk about the episode.

[00:20:22] Yes, because I haven't seen it so that recap really helped.

[00:20:28] That was something I should have said at the opening because with lower decks it wasn't so much

[00:20:32] of an issue it felt like but with discovery this will be a spoiler show. I know that in the

[00:20:38] audio version so you'll get that ahead of time. But yes there's this is going to be spoiled.

[00:20:46] We can't not talk about it. No, I don't know how you would talk about something like this

[00:20:52] without spoiling it. It's just you know there are so many things that happen in this episode

[00:20:58] that are spoilery. Yeah and Dave says for the synopsis I would say more recap less commentary.

[00:21:07] Cohost should have an opportunity to make counter points. Okay when you're recording this it

[00:21:12] two in the morning then you can do it. No, not yet no I agree and I've realized that I used to do

[00:21:20] this all the time inside any morning track. I have lost my ability to concisely condense a story

[00:21:26] so I'm trying to work on getting that to be like half-sacized. Right. But yeah so anyway so we're just

[00:21:34] trying out some new things. We've got a new series that'll be fun to try something all the different.

[00:21:39] Yeah I like it. I know that you were missing some pictures. Yeah it would help if they were. Yeah

[00:21:45] I still like there in time. Yeah well I found it what happened I it rendered what had been saved

[00:21:52] but I didn't save it before I hit render so most of that was finished but it just didn't come out.

[00:21:58] I'm not going to make excuses for the technology but yeah we will persevere.

[00:22:05] So what did everybody think of this episode? Start with the guests. Oh yes Bruce.

[00:22:12] Well I like the recap. Okay I would tell you think of this episode. I really like the

[00:22:22] episode. I love the episode and it's for various reasons but just to sum it up I like that we are

[00:22:31] seeing this future in learning about it and there's some interesting points in there

[00:22:36] and which I'm sure we'll talk about so I'm not but you know the pacing of the episode I really

[00:22:42] like that. I like the fact that the episode stays with Burnham the whole time as opposed to having

[00:22:46] the story A and B back and forth I'm glad that we held off the discovery for later

[00:22:52] because I just want to see Burnham's journey and just stick with her through this episode and I

[00:22:56] really like that with the pacing of the episode. So I think it makes you feel like just it gives you

[00:23:03] the right feeling and the situation that's going on as opposed to bouncing to something else

[00:23:08] and it just sticks with that. So I love that. I love seeing the different aliens being used

[00:23:14] and the music in this and just Burnham just loosening up and just having fun and at times just

[00:23:22] being really enthralled with something and really excited there's just so much going on

[00:23:28] and I love book. I really love him as a character. I love his interplay with Burnham. She

[00:23:35] she goes from one emotion to another but at the same time he's very stoic and so it's a nice

[00:23:40] blend of the two. She can be that way too of course but then she has that moments those moments

[00:23:45] there and I think it really interplays with him very well. Those are just some plots.

[00:23:52] Yeah, no I agree. I think when I first watched it and I first

[00:23:56] couple of times I watched it. I was sort of thinking like wow this is all kind of expected as

[00:24:01] far as what happens but then I realized that allows you to actually concentrate more on her emotions

[00:24:08] in what she's feeling as opposed to like now you're trying to work out this really complicated plot.

[00:24:12] It's like we're just seeing it through her eyes but we're getting a lot more emotion than we would

[00:24:19] if we were trying to create something quote unquote unique and it'll wait for her to come into the

[00:24:24] future and all these events happen because they all kind of feel semi predictable when you

[00:24:28] watch it. It doesn't feel like it jumped oh my gosh I didn't see that coming you know so it's

[00:24:32] nice that they held off on trying to make everything a crazy mystery. Yeah and also just to add

[00:24:38] the fact that she stays on her she's in a future she's in an unknown place an unknown time

[00:24:44] so make it feel like it's she's isolated. Wow yeah so that just leaving her in this episode really

[00:24:51] helps it because she's the only one from the 23rd century that we have in this whole episode.

[00:24:57] Yeah and I like that when you see the stuff in the mercantile like it's weird like what is it

[00:25:05] doing why are these and they but they don't explain it so you just feel as out of places she does.

[00:25:13] Yeah when they shoot that one thing that's like the weird dude comes from right now you're like what

[00:25:17] that was that right right but that's the other thing they're not explaining the ship. I mean there's

[00:25:22] a little bit where she's like looking at things and asking them out it but I mean it's not like well let

[00:25:27] me tell you how the ship works you know you're right it just is it's just there.

[00:25:34] Yeah I like that and there have been people who have pointed this out it didn't occur to me at first

[00:25:41] because I you know it I'm having a difficult time saying this there are no white people in this

[00:25:50] episode and that is a refreshing change of pace. You have book you have Michael and you have aliens

[00:25:59] they're in white man within 20 light years of this episode and it is just like what?

[00:26:08] I didn't even think about that but yeah you're right. Yeah and I didn't think about it at first

[00:26:13] either but it's so groundbreaking for so many people that because it's you know it doesn't affect us

[00:26:22] you know it doesn't affect us it's not representative of us per se and yet at the same time

[00:26:29] it is representative of us as fans in the character of Sahil which I'll get to later not there yet

[00:26:36] but it's just there's there's so much that is groundbreaking about this episode without being in your

[00:26:46] face going here look at this thing we did. Yeah and just visually I think we just got used to it

[00:26:55] but it's like this is movie level quality stuff it looks so good and the location that they chose

[00:27:01] feels alien there's not a tree or a plant or maybe some scrub but you know it's just very

[00:27:07] you just feel isolated you feel what that environment is throwing at you is kind of crazy

[00:27:16] yeah it makes me want to go to Iceland when we're doing this for sure. So many weird environments

[00:27:21] in one country Iceland yeah yeah it's just a small one too you know yeah it's crazy yeah and I

[00:27:27] did I remember watching the episode 1. thinking oh the leads in this are not white you know but

[00:27:34] I didn't think about it being the whole episode until later when I heard somebody say that online

[00:27:38] that there's no white people and I was like yeah when you really think about it I mean

[00:27:42] there's white people there under alien makeup but none of the characters yeah or white

[00:27:48] I think there is one white guy in the background in a business suit I seem to remember that in the

[00:27:52] mercantile because I remember going that's a really ugly suit. I picked it out but yeah no it's

[00:27:58] crazy yeah because I also would recently ason isn't I mean none of them are. No that's true yeah

[00:28:04] with the Orion and the the andorian is it just me or did they make up seem really glossy like almost

[00:28:11] like plastic eat like their skin seems different. They might have an oil control problem you know

[00:28:17] I don't know which it's even blotting paper and they'll be fine. No but it is I mean that's

[00:28:25] am I incorrect though did it sort of look a little they looked at it or slightly off or something

[00:28:30] I don't know well it's also like 930 years in the fridge so we don't know how things are

[00:28:37] supposed to look anymore they're recognizable but they don't necessarily have to look the same as

[00:28:43] we've never before. True yeah you know the endorians they almost looked a little too plastic to me

[00:28:53] you know like too blue like just not natural enough. Oh right like they're wearing blue makeup as opposed

[00:28:59] to actually blue skin yeah. These do feel like they have skin I mean like that's one positive thing they

[00:29:05] don't look it doesn't look like they've applied something to them. Yeah maybe that's what's different

[00:29:11] about it. It's just that's been accomplished though it's just your your brain is so you

[00:29:15] see somebody with makeup on being blue yeah that might actually be it. Yeah exactly I think that is

[00:29:22] it for sure. Yeah by the way those two guys did have names and I know I don't know how they're

[00:29:29] pronounced but I pronounced them I think and I thought I want to show with them unfortunately it's too

[00:29:37] late maybe a prequel. Yeah just maybe a short trek. That would be good. I think an I thought

[00:29:47] they just seem like there it's sort of you know what is it feel like an uh hunger and Oscar

[00:29:56] yeah the odd couple it feels a little bit like that. Yeah it may actually be if it can

[00:30:01] be a little bit of an answer but you know they didn't give us pronunciations and we never actually

[00:30:06] hear them say the names I just saw them in the subtitles and I'm like I think an I Thor.

[00:30:13] Yeah I thought was a real hit. It's a bit. Don't say I'm an I Thor that's not nice no and

[00:30:22] I'm not thick at all. Yeah I feel great. Me too. They added a really nice bit of flavor to that

[00:30:33] what could have been just a throw away a couple of people or scenes you know so I really appreciated that

[00:30:41] and just the the whole thing with the the truth drug was. It has its own integrated consciousness

[00:30:48] Yes that's it. Yes. Yeah right and I can't remember which ones I think in which ones I

[00:30:56] Thor but the Orion says yes it makes people want to talk. Yes but she says don't give this to my red

[00:31:05] head of trend. Yes I have a friend with head red hair do not give her any of this.

[00:31:11] Tillie doesn't do great with drugs and tillie then would talk their ear off because she's even

[00:31:16] well maybe reverse that would be weird maybe maybe her natural tendencies would actually be too

[00:31:22] be silent. Yeah could be. That could happen actually yeah because like when I'm drinking I tend to

[00:31:30] get more silent after so many drinks so maybe that's the case or tillie is always on the

[00:31:36] drug and you just don't know it. You know I don't think that's fair do not be smirch my dear tillie

[00:31:43] I will come over there and give you what for. This is like our live shows. You always put me at least once.

[00:31:51] At least once. We did say that this is the spiritual successor to the unready rooms so yeah this

[00:31:58] well the thing is is that you know I never I didn't threaten you with bodily harm this time so at least there's

[00:32:04] that. That's great. Oh yeah the camera work on her. Yes yes you know the lens moves with her face.

[00:32:15] Perfect yeah exactly I took me a second to figure out what was like okay it's when her head goes down

[00:32:20] then everything just tracks with her yeah that was just and that's what it feels like when you're

[00:32:26] in the loopy consciousness if like everything kind of is moving it's just this odd way.

[00:32:32] Oh really okay I'll take your work you've never yeah you never experienced that. I haven't had that drug.

[00:32:39] Well I'm assuming it's a similar experience to other types of drugs. Oh okay I'll take your work for it.

[00:32:45] I've had a lot of medication and hospital stuff. I feel like yes it would work.

[00:32:52] No that they it's just more of the incredible like filming and how fantastic everything looks

[00:32:59] but it's you know they didn't have to do that there's a lot of things they didn't have to do

[00:33:03] and it's still what it been completely fine but they you know like even when they're we're in the

[00:33:09] beginning we're looking at the guy getting ready for his day with the the bed that sort of comes out of nowhere

[00:33:14] that's everybody wants apparently so because you can just hey I'm done with the bed and it's gone you don't

[00:33:20] have to make it or anything. They had like these great overhead views and with the lighting and

[00:33:25] it's just like there's just everything felt like painting. It was really well done.

[00:33:33] I figured that that thing that they shot in the mercantile that started spewing out stuff

[00:33:40] it's probably that same system that just let's like really advanced replicator.

[00:33:48] Yeah yeah that's kind of what I feel like it was but I don't know and it's okay that I don't know

[00:33:54] I don't need to know everything. It's like smart matter or something that like programs with nano

[00:33:59] technology it's almost like tiny replicators just in in a huge you know like what is it

[00:34:06] and start getting the yes I was just going to say that you think you do it sorry.

[00:34:13] Oh and speaking of other sci-fi shows I thought that the the station in the beginning and at the end

[00:34:19] kind of reminds me a little bit of the the armistice station in battle star galactica the reboot

[00:34:24] where the guy would just sort of like waiting for some of the skill up every every however many years

[00:34:30] and no one from the fylons ever showed up until that one day and oh yeah so this was this is the

[00:34:37] positive end of that version. Thanks for yeah. Yes it went much better. That would be a great edit just

[00:34:43] how I constantly six just oh no. That's the next episode. Oh man. Hi I just call me control.

[00:34:59] It's great though discoveries like basically reinventing itself every time we have like season one was a

[00:35:04] a war story with the klingons season two was you know killer AI and now season three is sci-fi

[00:35:11] thrown into the future more sci-fi. So like yeah and those things those things are you know

[00:35:18] the things about the plot but there were different themes about what the show is about in each season

[00:35:25] and that I love that season two really established everyone as a family

[00:35:33] so that we can see how that affects their dynamic in season three. So

[00:35:42] can't wait to talk about other episodes. Yes. So got a hold it in. Oh there's other episodes?

[00:35:51] Yeah. Yeah. Possibly. No nobody has seen him. No no one. No one on the planet has seen

[00:35:59] anything besides the first episode. Exactly. Which not even the people at the premiere.

[00:36:05] Exactly. No they're just told that they'd saw more than one. They gave them that drug

[00:36:10] that broke them. They did they did they did and they made up whatever they wanted in their

[00:36:15] heads so everybody's seen a different episode. That would be really confusing. That would be interesting too.

[00:36:22] Everybody has their own head cannon season. Oh yeah. Oh I'm glad you said head cannon

[00:36:28] because what I was talking so Dan Gunther and I recorded positively tricked today

[00:36:33] which that will come out on Monday when we talk about this episode. But we talked about the guns

[00:36:40] that go on your hand. Oh yeah. I don't think we know what they're called and he said oh I read

[00:36:45] some where they're called hand cannons. So in my head cannon they're head.

[00:36:52] Yeah. So if you get something that was like a helmet when it's a head cannon.

[00:37:04] That would be awesome and Burnerwood really laughed at that.

[00:37:09] Oh yeah. I just love her just like cracking up in everything.

[00:37:15] She you know Burnerwood sees in one if this had happened to her it would just be a really

[00:37:21] dire episode. Everything would just be just so heavy. So I love the fact that she's grown as a

[00:37:26] person and she also it should just sort of like I love that scene where she forces herself to

[00:37:33] like put on the badge and I'm just going to keep moving forward as opposed to just kind of

[00:37:39] giving up or collapsing or just even kind of falling within herself which I thought was you know

[00:37:46] pretty amazing and it feels we were talking about themes. This was unknowingly like it echoes so

[00:37:53] much of what's going on right now about being removed from everything that you knew or how things

[00:38:01] were and feeling alone and just just that sort of okay I've got to make myself move forward.

[00:38:07] So it's unknowingly they created like the perfect analogy that Star Trek is good for when they

[00:38:13] even tried to do an unpurpose of for the pandemic without being hey it's a pandemic because that

[00:38:19] when they do that you know like an enterprise it I don't think is quite as successful

[00:38:25] where they basically had 9-11 in space and like okay that's too much on the nose.

[00:38:30] Well to be fair Michael does give herself a moment to mourn everything that she's got

[00:38:36] and you know I have several cry points during this episode that wasn't the first one but it was

[00:38:43] definitely a big one because she's you know she's she's alone she has nothing but herself right now

[00:38:52] she doesn't know if Discovery has made it through or if they're ever going to make it through

[00:38:58] and she's hurting for all of these people that are now long dead. Yeah and then she goes into what

[00:39:05] I call Vulcan mode and what she has which is lucky. Yep that that training is going to serve her well

[00:39:13] throughout this entire season and she just gets up starts walking.

[00:39:20] So yeah and that's all you can do and she's actually the most alone person in that galaxy

[00:39:29] just at least most removed from everything she knows. I like the people don't I think because

[00:39:36] they must be used to time travel is a thing nobody seems to blink at that. I do like that it's like

[00:39:42] why don't you know things that we know but there's not like you're crazy you know or whatever

[00:39:47] it's just a little suspicious as opposed to like maybe in her time want to be like this doesn't

[00:39:54] make any sense. Well that's because they've been you know they know the history of the temporal

[00:40:00] wars. Right yeah so it's a big one for this great yeah well apparently if you're British though

[00:40:06] it's Tim Poral so. Tim Poral yeah we've known that we've known that.

[00:40:12] Isn't that what she is actually it's yeah we're always great yeah I'd like to

[00:40:16] have Tim Poral along with my shrimp temporal. The shrimp are phasing in and out of existence

[00:40:27] and we found her episode. I'm pretty enthusiastic you say no. I have to say

[00:40:39] I do have to say I did steal that from Chris little field the I'd like an order of Tim Poral

[00:40:45] because we were discussing why some people call it Tim Poral and some people call it temporal

[00:40:49] and now we've decided it's because of British. How you Minim? Yes well honestly how

[00:40:56] you Minim is the correct way to say that we just don't so but you know there is I don't remember

[00:41:04] like Minim, Plutamian all of those things it should be I U M. I U M I U I say Tim Poral and you say

[00:41:14] temporal. Oh the whole Star Trek version of that that would be really funny.

[00:41:21] That would be wouldn't it. Yeah I say Orion I say Orion. Okay we're going to have to create that for

[00:41:30] whatever the next convention is. We're going to be able to go to you say sabotage I say sabotage

[00:41:38] that's actually what we're talking about. And if you listen to the books you know it's like

[00:41:43] I say denoblyan you say denoblyan. No don't do that. You know in one of the episodes of Lower

[00:41:52] Decks they in one of the episodes. I say data you say data. Yeah they they spelled denoblyan wrong.

[00:42:00] And like oh yes I remember that. Wait where was this that this one? And then that's

[00:42:04] out of Lower Decks. Lower Decks. Yeah it was in my closet. Yeah and the clothes captioning.

[00:42:10] The thing that got onto your your body parts. Here the thing that would affect your who

[00:42:19] caught. And they spelled it D I in and I'm just like denoblyan. I even looked it up to see

[00:42:28] if and memory alpha makes it not denoblyan it makes it a different entry. Like that's the thing.

[00:42:33] Like I don't think we can okay whatever it's a typo but yeah. So there's something that

[00:42:43] where we haven't talked about the the whole mystery aspect that apparently knew Star Trek has to

[00:42:49] always have because we can't just tell a story it has to be a mystery box story. That's where my

[00:42:54] personal like okay man I'm just like I would love to not have this the thing that oh we have to

[00:43:00] figure out what this is throughout the whole series and it ends up being shocking and normally to make it

[00:43:06] like unguessable it ends up being kind of dumb to me. So I'm concerned about you know

[00:43:14] there is what is the burn the burn all of the dilithium everywhere just no not all they never said

[00:43:24] all they never said all okay because there's all of them dilithium now that's true yes they never said

[00:43:32] most most okay we have you have to remember that this is being told by book and this happened like

[00:43:39] 120 years ago so he's just repeating what he's heard so I'm just saying yes but I think for the

[00:43:49] sake of it being a television show they're not going to give him weird information that turns out

[00:43:56] to be like oh you just misinterpret it later that doesn't seem like the writing that they do I mean

[00:44:03] they're giving you this information as anyway so for me I just that feels really like

[00:44:11] there were so many other things in the 50 plus years of hand and that they could have pulled out

[00:44:16] and new Star Trek discovery Picard really seems to want to find something different

[00:44:23] create their own thing which I get but at the same time sometimes it feels like you're making stuff

[00:44:29] up just to be different and it doesn't you know everybody all the fans out there were kind of saying oh

[00:44:35] the Omega particle that would be that would be really fitting and it wasn't that so it just seems I don't

[00:44:42] I don't you don't like the personal thing you don't like the idea of the dilithium exploding is that like

[00:44:48] well it just it seems it's like Thanos level of control because it's probably not natural because

[00:44:54] it's not right I mean it seems like it wouldn't be because I don't think they would spend a whole

[00:44:59] season trying to figure out a mystery oh it's just you know this natural thing that happens

[00:45:03] the the the galactic end life of the liviam or something like that so it's probably going to be

[00:45:11] some force or person which then it is like who has that kind of control I mean let's

[00:45:18] both of those powers maybe those powers other people have been booked as

[00:45:23] and I'm sure it's going to tie into that or and time travel because it says time travel

[00:45:28] technology has been destroyed so it makes me wonder if somebody destroyed dilithium therefore

[00:45:33] trying to destroy some time travel there's some I'm just thinking there's got to be some

[00:45:38] connections but there's like a 400 year gap between the temporal wars and 3188 and so

[00:45:49] this happened 120 years ish before what we're seeing now in 3188 so it wouldn't have had anything to do

[00:45:59] with the temporal wars they would that stuff would have been destroyed back then after that

[00:46:05] war ended not 120 years ago and let's somebody was primewimy unless time travel was destroyed

[00:46:14] and somebody or some people had figured out a way to start it again in some of it was trying

[00:46:19] to destroy the dilithium to prevent it from happening again I'm just speculating I'm just throwing

[00:46:23] it talks utot from from Captain's holiday but does what does dilithium have to do with time travel

[00:46:31] it just helps with the ships maybe there maybe it's being used for a shower so far I'm

[00:46:37] trying to yeah I'm just going some ideas in any case I my personal feeling and this is just

[00:46:45] the feeling you're in a hand cannon this is my hand cannon I have to keep the name of that podcast

[00:46:52] now it can't be head cannon anymore it has to be hand cannon um I feel like this is not really

[00:46:59] going to be the main focus of this season the main focus of this season is finding the federation

[00:47:07] yeah and starting to put back together this you know this yes but progress these two

[00:47:16] yeah that's so I feel like you know it may have its focus here in there and she may try to find

[00:47:24] I mean she's going to try to find out what happened and I think that that's not necessarily because

[00:47:29] I have to know what happened and more of let's prevent this from happening again yeah they're going to

[00:47:35] rebuild federation they're going to need to have that not happen or they're going to fit every ship with four

[00:47:39] drives and I that's not going to happen because that will definitely destroy the my seal you'll network true and

[00:47:47] there would not be as money um I don't think you get the navigators to do that you have to have one

[00:47:53] for every ship and that just seems like impossible exactly and so I feel like that's going to

[00:48:00] be part of it but only in the way that it's to keep it from happening again because books says

[00:48:06] they didn't really know how or why it happened that couldn't guarantee it wouldn't happen again

[00:48:11] right so that's I feel like that's a part of just the whole overarching story which is let's

[00:48:18] rebuild the federation yeah and you know even though I find like the way it set up it's kind of goofy

[00:48:24] what the effects that it has makes a really interesting universe and you know and there are lots of

[00:48:30] you can you know compare it to natural resources so you've got the kind of that message in there and it

[00:48:36] just it creates something that we've never had before and I know a lot of people I think people

[00:48:41] complain oh how can it be Star Trek without the federation okay even listening to burnem it's like

[00:48:47] the federation isn't just just a flag and the thing is what I wanted to say that's not true and

[00:48:52] yeah yeah so I think while it might be uncomfortable it's not unrealistic you know room didn't

[00:49:01] survive forever and not to say that it's room but it's you know it's that's the thousand plus years

[00:49:06] that's a long time for an organization to exist especially clock cross a galactic you know playing

[00:49:14] with thousands of different species the fact that that lasted that long is kind of incredible

[00:49:20] so I don't have a problem with that and I like the idea of them trying to rebuild it and see what

[00:49:26] what becomes of that I mean maybe it's even better you know federation well a lot of the time

[00:49:34] you know it's a saying that I heard long ago but I can't remember who said it sometimes have

[00:49:40] things have to fall apart before they can fall together and sometimes when you've been broken you

[00:49:47] come back stronger than before I'm not saying that it always always has to be that way but this is the

[00:49:53] situation that we're being presented with and so the question is now how are they going to do this

[00:50:00] so yeah because there's just so much they still don't know and they're gonna have to get up to speed

[00:50:06] really quickly yeah and one thing I'd like to see in addition to that is there's probably people

[00:50:12] out there that may not want the federation back to them that they're happy with how you know and it's not

[00:50:19] for the wrong reasons it's just because they like their life better without the federation

[00:50:25] or like when Romulus exploded the people who are you know like oh I can take advantage of this

[00:50:30] and you know there's it's lawless in that area or whatever so they got people can

[00:50:35] you know you have to have the federation Rangers then yeah well you've got to think that

[00:50:41] the Orion's and the Endorians certainly don't want the federation back because that destroys

[00:50:46] their career business yeah they don't want everyone to have dilithium that's why they only give

[00:50:53] their careers enough dilithium to get to their delivery point and back they don't want them to be free

[00:51:00] they want they basically are still enslaving people who's gonna say that you know

[00:51:07] yeah I'm sorry a lot of Orion's haven't been slaves for at least five years

[00:51:11] at least at least that's very prejudiced and if you know yeah I thought of that too it just

[00:51:18] feels like they're kind of roping them in and like you know it's like a contract that's like a bad

[00:51:24] you know yeah something like that yeah and to be fair there are plenty of other races throughout

[00:51:31] the galaxy even the human race who haven't slaveed people so oh yeah it's not something that is

[00:51:38] exclusive to Orion's it just happens to be there one of their defining traits in the show

[00:51:45] unfortunately thanks original series yeah yeah I actually wonder I can't did they mentioned that they

[00:51:53] were pirates in the original series that are up I don't know I don't know actually I was going to say

[00:52:01] and I should be asking you this Aaron wasn't it you know I animated series well they did say

[00:52:05] in the animated series so I'm wondering and I don't remember if before that it's it's possible

[00:52:09] of the animated series is the one who actually set the tone for the being pirates which is better

[00:52:14] than slave owners I guess yeah I don't think it was in the original series yeah so they would have been

[00:52:20] yeah that's been interesting I never thought about that pirates no not necessarily but

[00:52:26] slavers definitely because Orion slave girls all right yeah no that I know oh no they want to be

[00:52:34] taken advantage of no they don't no they don't no one does they like many we are tasty

[00:52:44] we are tasty we're delicious yeah we're delicious it's great that now we have it's like the

[00:52:52] Simpsons we have a Star Trek comedy language that we can speak to like make reference of

[00:52:58] other Star Trek stuff yes love it yeah I almost wonder what they're going to do in season two

[00:53:04] like they've used so much of that it's like things will have to come back there's so many

[00:53:08] Easter eggs and so many things that they crammed into season one I'm like save some for later

[00:53:13] oh there are many many years ago they have yet to mine they'll be just fine yes

[00:53:21] so what do we think of grudge I love grudge because I love cheats I just I see

[00:53:34] like there's that scene after they've taken I know when they're taking the transform

[00:53:39] back to the sanctuary oh yeah and grudge is just kind of laying on the console I'm like what

[00:53:45] I want to pet you I just hang you out yeah just hang out grudge cat is following infinite

[00:53:54] trek which is really fun excellent I am following grudge cat so that is good and also grudge is a space

[00:54:01] cat in all caps and cat is spelled C-A-T-T-E space cat not just space cat space cat

[00:54:13] there are people who have said oh maybe it's she's related to ISIS and I think it's just because

[00:54:16] like there's another cat I mean it's might as well be related to spot ISIS also isn't a cat

[00:54:22] uh so well they even imagined isn't well yeah that's kind of what they're they're getting yeah

[00:54:29] she's queen yes maybe she's a little queen when she

[00:54:36] not a queen we're not a queen we're not a queen we're not a queen we're not a queen we're not a queen we're not a queen

[00:54:40] we're never going to live that down and I'm okay with it that was hilarious we did get an

[00:54:46] a touch we need more grudge yes I'll we'll get more grudge I know we'll get more grudge

[00:54:52] and I can't wait I mean with the whole the season on Star Trek Discovery

[00:54:56] till he gets to interact with with grudge she's not a cat person that surprises me

[00:55:06] did uh eventually we'll probably get the grudge gets kidnapped episode if it thinks

[00:55:12] go long enough hopefully not you can see if this was the made in 1989 like

[00:55:18] rudge somehow would be part of a kid oh we could see an entire episode from grudge's viewpoint

[00:55:23] that would be kind of fun a day in the life of grudge yeah yeah kind of like a night in sick

[00:55:30] bay but with the cat yes and from the cats point of view not our chairs right

[00:55:38] so I do know everything I just I'm just I was just gonna say I was made aware that the

[00:55:45] gentleman who is playing cosmo is the same gentleman who plays Linus

[00:55:50] no we're good yes oh wow that maybe super happy because I'm like yeah I had I would never

[00:55:58] in a million years have thought that because the mannerisms are completely different he speaks

[00:56:03] his dialogue completely differently so well done well done dude yeah Linus is still getting work that's

[00:56:10] good as cosmo well I mean yeah well it's not really clear

[00:56:19] how many people went with him was it I mean it's not like they did they give people that were

[00:56:24] like unconscious in sick bay the choice of going or did they just off put them off the ship

[00:56:29] onto the enterprise or I would think that even the choice right but if there's unconscious

[00:56:35] yeah but no no this is this is literally a question that that Mary shevo and I discussed at one point

[00:56:42] we're just like she's like I'm just worried about all those people in sick bay because

[00:56:46] I don't think they were conscious when this happened then they wouldn't have taken them to the

[00:56:51] future they wouldn't have done that I'm saying did they have the time to off put them onto

[00:56:56] another ship is when I was getting yeah they beam them off I would say they would they would

[00:57:01] be them off before the battle even started because by the time that they went back to discovery

[00:57:10] and figured out that they were going to have to take it into the future that would have been

[00:57:16] the situation where everyone was going to go you know everyone had the choice but you know

[00:57:23] Michael wasn't intending to have anyone else on the ship right it's going to be on autopilot

[00:57:28] and that didn't work out but it wouldn't it's really good that they decided to some people decide to

[00:57:34] stay behind because otherwise that whole situation would never happen she would have been like oh

[00:57:42] they just tried the shields and I'll file it and uh all here comes control here comes to

[00:57:48] her all his getting he's getting this weird oh man I gotta go back to about an hour going to

[00:57:55] this again oh no it's like the 7 of 9 episode in Voyager where she just keep going back and

[00:58:01] keeps getting the multiple copies of her keep dying speaking of Voyager this is in the

[00:58:07] fight lead to like maybe other other things that you'd like to see in discovery I don't think this is

[00:58:12] possible I mean I know it is possible I don't think it's plausible that they would do this but there

[00:58:18] is a backup copy of the doctor from Voyager on a planet in the Delta Quadrant that was activated

[00:58:25] in 362 or something like that so he stayed on that planet for a long time quote unquote so we

[00:58:34] don't know exactly how long and then took a ship to go back to find his people he had a longing

[00:58:41] for home and so he takes off for the Alpha Quadrant and this is 3188 188 years it's like that's not

[00:58:49] unrealistic that maybe he could show up and he could be the the backup doctor he wouldn't know

[00:58:54] what any anything that happened after that you know episode but I think that could be really cool and

[00:59:01] we give him the ability to play somebody who's been alive for 200 years so he could be you know

[00:59:07] yes and for the first time I saw Robert Picardot tweet oh I'm so excited season three is coming

[00:59:15] so I'm like hmm I don't know that's my fingers crossed that if like why do you know see this now

[00:59:22] I see yeah because if the EMH is on discovery then he can explain to the patients that were unconscious

[00:59:29] during the childhood future why they're there and what's going on the robot said I'm gonna die

[00:59:38] oh no you're gonna be fine I could just I would love to see Colber and the doctor working together

[00:59:45] because they kind of have similar temperaments at times I can see them both yelling at stammets

[00:59:51] well to be fair generally Colber only acts like that about stammets really and Reno

[00:59:57] true yeah yeah yeah yeah it's Reno so I could say Jim Reno and the doctor going out at that

[01:00:02] like before yes I would pay money to watch that I can reprogram you you wouldn't dare

[01:00:12] I've already safeguarded all of my algorithms they cannot be broken into

[01:00:16] oh and I could just see like he shows up with his mobile a midterm like oh wow that's old technology

[01:00:20] yeah where did you get that artifact yeah yeah that was good excuse me that'd go for a lot on

[01:00:28] the black market you guys I do like that that was it felt like a subtle nod to like start trek

[01:00:34] props you know just like oh let me be a lot more a trek order yep agree okay so any final thoughts

[01:00:43] but what we don't do ratings here but what what was your your overall thought and

[01:00:49] what do you hope for for the season I guess you're asking me because I'm the guest yes

[01:00:59] we can start with Brandy now that's okay because I'd like Brandy having the last word on this

[01:01:07] well I really enjoy the episode as I said earlier in the show but yeah I don't know

[01:01:15] what I would rate it but it would be pretty high again I like the pacing of it I like that

[01:01:21] I was just trying to think yeah the visuals of it and we didn't really talk too much about

[01:01:30] book but I really liked his character I really love getting to know him because at first just like

[01:01:36] Burnham we're trying to figure out who is this guy what is he up to can we trust him can we not

[01:01:43] and especially when we got to the mercantile and when he had her go to the vault and take

[01:01:48] the rest of her artifacts I was like okay he is not one to be trusted but the same time I felt like

[01:01:54] well he doesn't trust Burnham but I feel like he's starting to trust her and he's got to do what

[01:01:59] he needs to do and get dilithium and as we progress through the episode I start liking him more

[01:02:06] and then we find what he's doing and he's helping with endangered species then I'm really

[01:02:13] loving this guy you know it's like he's on the good side of things and that ending that we got

[01:02:20] on the way station really started to tug at my heart because you know we're talking about the

[01:02:26] federation and you know here's Burnham by herself and here's this liaison officer or

[01:02:34] wants to be part of the federation and starfleet there waiting for someone to come in

[01:02:40] and this is the opportunity he's waited for for decades and then putting up the fly

[01:02:44] get a occasion it's just I mean the thing about it is if anybody ever says oh the new Star Trek

[01:02:52] stuff isn't Star Trek I can't see how you can't watch those last five whatever minutes of this

[01:02:57] episode and say that's not Star Trek I mean the Star Trek meaning and messaging it's all throughout

[01:03:02] the episode so I really enjoy it I can't wait for the next one I'd love to see what happens with

[01:03:08] the Discovery crew but I would even be fine if we had another episode that just stayed on Burnham

[01:03:13] for a while and then see her reunite with the crew yeah two believers I think the one for me like

[01:03:25] I I love everything about book I think it felt like if there was one kind of criticism of the story

[01:03:32] is that it might felt if a little rushed like as far as like I don't trust you now I trust you

[01:03:39] the end you know there was just a little bit and I know that that was my joke that I made in my

[01:03:43] recap is because it's a television show we kind of condensed that that trust factor time

[01:03:50] but I think that there's not much you can do about that and instead of stretching it out and making

[01:03:56] it like will he won't he kind of you know is he a good guy is he bad guy I like that they just

[01:04:01] picked a direction and went there so I think you just had to balance one sort of with another

[01:04:09] as far as yeah pacing goes I mean the pacing worked for me though I mean I it didn't fit

[01:04:14] rushed for me it not at all and I feel rushed but I think unrealistic maybe just the

[01:04:20] when you look at it overall but this is also one part of just I have to get used to discovery being

[01:04:26] not like siloed episodes like lower decks was this is a chapter in a book yes 10 child book

[01:04:35] or Cleveland to be fair he had to be in a time crunch because he needed to get Molly back to the

[01:04:44] sanctuary before her breeding cycle started true so he was in a hurry the whole time yeah

[01:04:51] and if he was a bad guy he could have like got hurt to the sanctuary and then been like nope

[01:04:56] you're done by a firm and dropped her off planet somewhere something yeah yep no I think he's

[01:05:04] yeah but when he saw a firm and drug that's what he really started to like her because she's actually

[01:05:09] gonna be fun no I don't think is just that I think he also that she had a lot of you know she was

[01:05:18] one of the true believers but she obviously wasn't your typical nutbag and he had already figured

[01:05:25] out she was a time traveler by that directly I think that walk to the mercantile is when he figured it

[01:05:30] out and then she crossed it yeah yeah well and the thing okay so when they're on the planet

[01:05:38] that has the sanctuary and he asks her what she left behind and he said he asked her what she left

[01:05:44] behind and she said 930 years and he said why and she said to ensure the future a future and he

[01:05:53] says thank you and I'm just like just just all of this for the rest of the episode just the rest of

[01:06:03] the episode because when they go to the out the the outhouse whatever oh sorry sorry that's gonna be loud

[01:06:11] and she meets Sahil and and many other people have pointed this out but we like fans we are Sahil

[01:06:21] yeah we are the true believers who believe in something that we aren't literally apart of

[01:06:30] so and then she gave me a commission just like oh wow just you know because he just he he was

[01:06:40] a commission like him yeah really really really young I think he was probably in his 60s at least

[01:06:47] so I think he just was he he presented as younger but he and he'd been there alone all that time

[01:06:56] that's just like it's just like yeah I quite couldn't there be more people there but yeah now that was

[01:07:02] that just just so sad it was just that whole sequence was just make right ugly but I I really

[01:07:13] loved this episode it was everything I didn't know I wanted because I didn't I don't like to have

[01:07:20] expectations of things because when I don't have preconceived notions I enjoy things more so

[01:07:27] I was just ready to see whatever future that they showed me of course we'd already had some

[01:07:31] clues from the trailers but I thought what a start was not expecting to see David Ejala with a shirt off

[01:07:39] oh my god yeah we got a Kirk well she checked him out more than once

[01:07:45] so she was not oblivious to that and my mom has not seen all of seasons one and two discovery

[01:07:54] she just she just started recently season one of discovery she still watched season three's

[01:08:00] premiere because she wanted to know what I was talking about when I do the in ready her because she

[01:08:05] watched that and so and she she had sent me a text except she thought she was sending it to me

[01:08:11] and she actually said it's someone else but she um she's like well didn't she get my text I said no

[01:08:19] and she said oh I know I sent it and this went um but she she expanded on the virtues of

[01:08:31] David my mom might be 82 but she ain't dead people to be fair you could watch season three

[01:08:41] and season one concurrently and there are like it's not you're not going to get that much of a disconnect

[01:08:47] no that's the beauty of it so you know I told you yeah I said there may be things that you

[01:08:53] don't have the backstory for but you know you you're not yourself out so she's and she's very

[01:08:59] not enjoying discoveries okay yeah that's fantastic well that Bruce where can we find you

[01:09:08] when you're not here or not the unready room or on positively trek all those places or the book club

[01:09:16] or yeah all those yeah well that's the great thing about positively trek because we do

[01:09:22] episode reviews and we do book reviews and we have Kirsten buyer coming on to talk to Liza Earth

[01:09:27] her new Voyager novel and so that's in a couple weeks that she'll be on yet just a couple of weeks

[01:09:35] and yeah so we get and then we got just like the flagship show that we cover everything

[01:09:41] star trek stuff so yeah there's all that kind of stuff going on and of course occasionally

[01:09:46] not all the time about once a month or so I appear on the Star Wars report which I was on more

[01:09:51] often but I'm not on as often but we're losing your signal oh no because I'm putting my time

[01:09:56] and energy into track okay so there you go yeah no we're fine with all sci-fi here yes we are

[01:10:05] by the way and when in the mercantile when they're all shooting a missing each other I was like

[01:10:09] was the Star Wars was going through first is not what's going on here I'm guessing the weapons

[01:10:13] themselves aren't very accurate it that I mean they're accurate at close range but not the further

[01:10:18] you go the harder it is to hit through yeah plus if you're running and your target is running

[01:10:23] you're definitely not gonna hit anything okay that'll be in my hand cannon there you go I can't

[01:10:30] cannon it for you hand cannon and I'm on Twitter Admiral underscore wreck so yeah there you go that's

[01:10:36] great and brandy where can we find you on a billion different podcasts you know we had to stop

[01:10:43] using the the the lower third because the lower third would turn into like a lower two thirds of

[01:10:49] the whole scrape for brandy I mean seriously everything that I do I wrote down on an index

[01:10:54] card not took up one whole side of an index card so I will just say follow me on Twitter brandy wine

[01:11:00] 12 so that you can see the posts about the podcasts that I'm on which are what the future holds

[01:11:07] and the Vatican assembly and boldly go and the live show the unready room which is coming

[01:11:13] up later tonight and hand cannon I've had to change the name now already to hand cannon it's

[01:11:19] from head cannon and the dark corner podcast and also go buy pins at fan sets and use our discount

[01:11:29] infinite track that's right get 15% off I'm actually I don't have my I had a discovery badge at

[01:11:37] one point and I think I'd loaned to somebody on the improvised generation and it's still floating

[01:11:43] out there because of a pandemic I'm not gonna go track it down so I'm gonna order a fan set one they

[01:11:48] have the discovery badge now okay I have I have all of the badges from discovery I have the

[01:11:55] medical the science the cadet the engineering the the the section 31 yeah have them all so

[01:12:05] nice yeah I'm wearing my season three Michael pin you can't see it from where you are but this is

[01:12:11] my season three Michael pin with the wonderful box braid hair oh my lord it's glorious

[01:12:16] I love this pin so and I'm wearing a Michael for an shirt too

[01:12:21] oh I'm wearing my academy shirt yes nice. Starfleet coming up and it's because disco shirt yeah

[01:12:29] we're all good yeah and you can find me on Twitter and Instagram at geek filter and next Saturday

[01:12:37] I believe it's at five o'clock I'm gonna be on i fain love whiskey which is a podcast about

[01:12:43] whiskey and we get to try it this is the only podcast that I've gotten the like notes

[01:12:48] at my head at time this has please eat something don't drive afterwards you know okay so yeah so

[01:12:54] we get to try all these different cool whiskeys it's my friend Andrew is the host and he

[01:13:00] goes all over the world and gets all these different whiskeys one time we were going to

[01:13:06] kind of check out the lower decks whiskey that came with it and then we realized it's just a brand name

[01:13:12] so we were like now we're not gonna do that so so this is a podcast where you're trying to

[01:13:17] whiskey yep I'm here on out post 13 on twitch so yeah so we can see you drinking it yes

[01:13:26] and we see the results afterwards there I don't know if we see the results afterwards you might

[01:13:31] see the results during he does all these really cool things they they do what they call

[01:13:35] science is there at what happens when you add water and little drops to change the like if

[01:13:40] you put ice in it as opposed to not you know there's all the there's a scientific background

[01:13:44] behind it too which is kind of fun so I'm gonna change the name to iFracking love whiskey for that

[01:13:50] that nice nice I was gonna ask before the show if we could like you know swear you know

[01:13:58] use inappropriate language on this show but I didn't need to do it so occasionally if it slips

[01:14:04] out but I think we're trying to especially because we're you know Saturday mornings or keep

[01:14:08] in the can you're talking more you're keeping it clean for the kids hey if you want to be on a

[01:14:14] show where we don't censor our swans come on over and be on what the future holds or the

[01:14:19] medic assembly or boldly go oh heck yeah I'll be there actually you are welcome anytime

[01:14:29] because I was gonna ask are we gonna dark corner of this live show

[01:14:37] yeah I have a habit of say the effort a little fracking wow you're it tillie huh

[01:14:49] I am the tillie in every way that matters yeah just needs the red hair

[01:14:55] I love feeling feelings well thank you everybody for joining us this has been a lot of fun

[01:15:01] we will maybe be a little less clunky next week with the uh with the preview recap thing

[01:15:07] but that was a lot of fun actually had fun putting it together it was just it was a little rushed so

[01:15:12] but I think it's a really good way to let people especially if they haven't if they've seen the

[01:15:16] episode or they want like just a recap of it or if they haven't seen it but they still want to

[01:15:20] pop into the show so all right well thank you very much and uh brandy you're on later on

[01:15:29] the unready room which is in 6 p.m. Pacific I believe 6 p.m. Pacific 9 p.m. Eastern yes

[01:15:35] so Kirk trans productions on YouTube so check out brandy today if you want to hear talk about this more

[01:15:40] yes because it will be a completely different conversation as each one so far has been

[01:15:46] yeah now we've been really lucky about that it's kind of fun it is this is the mirrors of

[01:15:51] yeah exactly all right well thank you so much and we will see you next week live long and prosper

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