057 - Amok Time

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[00:00:31] Five Year Mission The Podcast Episode 57

[00:00:38] This is the Five Year Mission Podcast.

[00:00:42] Welcome to Five Year Mission Podcast.

[00:00:53] I am Mike.

[00:00:54] I will be kind of the host this evening, but really you have four hosts and no guests.

[00:01:02] Joining me tonight is going to be Chris.

[00:01:07] Say hi, Chris.

[00:01:08] Hi, Chris.

[00:01:10] And Patrick.

[00:01:12] Hello.

[00:01:13] And I suppose the kind of the focus of this episode is Noah.

[00:01:20] What?

[00:01:21] Oh, okay.

[00:01:22] I'm here.

[00:01:23] You're the focus because we are discussing a mock time, which is of course the episode

[00:01:30] of Star Trek, but also a song second to last song on year two.

[00:01:36] The first song in Star Trek season two.

[00:01:39] Right?

[00:01:40] First episode.

[00:01:41] And the first episode of season two. Yes.

[00:01:44] So we really felt like we were getting someone.

[00:01:47] What's a what Chris?

[00:01:49] I said, what's a mock?

[00:01:52] What's what's a mock?

[00:01:56] It's pronounced it's pronounced amic.

[00:01:59] Amic. Okay. No, I was confused.

[00:02:02] I don't think that this is the episode that we had trouble pronouncing the title.

[00:02:06] No, what's the next one?

[00:02:08] That one's coming up.

[00:02:13] So real quick before we get into talking about the song.

[00:02:18] Why don't we discuss the episode that inspired it.

[00:02:23] As Patrick said, it was the first episode of the second season of Star Trek.

[00:02:28] After they came back from their short summer break after the 30 episodes of the first season.

[00:02:35] They came back with this episode which focused on Spock because of course everyone loves Spock and so from this point on it's like all about Spock.

[00:02:50] What did you guys think of a mock time?

[00:02:53] I love the episode.

[00:02:55] It's a classic you get all this Vulcan background that you'd never seen before with the, you know, now I can't think of what anything is called anyway.

[00:03:09] The pond far and the Cali of the Ali Aksin free.

[00:03:17] Up until this point in the series is kind of like a token alien character, you know, before they explored this background.

[00:03:25] Is it the Kunak Cali-Fi? Is that right?

[00:03:28] Kunak Cali-Fi, that's it.

[00:03:30] That's right.

[00:03:31] Okay. So you get to see this background on Vulcans but you also get to see Spock in a completely way we've never seen him before.

[00:03:40] And it's, you know, out of the episode came one of the most iconic scoring sections of all the story track with the battle music.

[00:03:51] So it's a great episode. I love it.

[00:03:54] I agree on all those points. It's a real Spock character building episode which up until that point, I mean, I think Patrick is right there as he almost felt a little two dimensional.

[00:04:09] Up to that point and then all of a sudden there was depth to the character that they were fleshing out. So that was just a really important episode.

[00:04:20] Didn't this episode also give us the Vulcan hand signal? Or was that something that they had done previously because I'm pretty sure he said he came up with it for this specifically.

[00:04:30] I think you're right Patrick.

[00:04:31] Yeah, I think you are right. I think this is the first time I featured that.

[00:04:35] This is the first episode where we've seen other Vulcans too, right?

[00:04:39] Yes, probably.

[00:04:41] So I'm not sure.

[00:04:43] It's definitely the first Vulcan centric episode.

[00:04:46] Yeah.

[00:04:47] Yeah, guys if we get this wrong, we're going to get so many emails, so many emails correcting us.

[00:04:53] Nobody emails anymore Noah.

[00:04:56] Okay.

[00:04:57] Yeah, aren't we supposed to watch these episodes before we do these things?

[00:05:02] Yeah, I think we should be playing on memory of years ago.

[00:05:06] Well, and speaking of memories of years ago this is another one that stuck out in my brain from even childhood when I was watching them.

[00:05:15] Just because it's anyone where you've got cool weapons and a fight is one that sticks in my eight year old brain.

[00:05:24] And then that was definitely one that had cool weapons and fights.

[00:05:28] We get the Lurpa.

[00:05:30] Yeah, see a Lurpa and there wasn't there some kind of knife or something. There were other Vulcan weapons I feel like.

[00:05:38] There's some kind of like the glove. It was like a whip or chain or something. Yeah.

[00:05:45] So it was, we also get to see some questionable slicing of shirts.

[00:05:55] Yeah, things like that with the little lipstick line on the.

[00:06:03] And I one thing had we seen there was another episode I think it was one of the Paradise episodes. What was the one Paradise flower where we got to see Spock angry.

[00:06:14] This is the first time we get to see him. It's not even anger. It's just this primitive drive. It's really kind of cool because he goes after Kirk.

[00:06:26] Right.

[00:06:27] And he doesn't it's like he doesn't have control of himself, which is another thing that's unusual because Vulcans are so their ability to control their emotions is kind of iconic as far as the race goes.

[00:06:43] Yeah, this is the episode where he smashes the computer monitor with his fist.

[00:06:50] Okay, I couldn't. Yeah, I could remember if this was the one. Yeah, I always get that and Paradise mixed up.

[00:06:57] Paradise was the one. Yeah.

[00:06:59] Yeah. And also and also this is like the rematch between Kirk and Spock.

[00:07:04] Oh yeah, that's right because in the set of paradise they did kind of brawl in the transporter room.

[00:07:10] Yeah. Kind of. I mean, it's not really a brawl.

[00:07:13] I mean, it really wasn't a brawl so much as trying to make him angry. Yeah.

[00:07:16] Yeah, right. But yeah, I like I love this episode. It's iconic.

[00:07:21] Agreed.

[00:07:22] Noah, when you got this episode did you did you know it well? When you drew it?

[00:07:28] I did. It was one that I knew, I don't know how well, I mean, I certainly didn't know Kuna Kalafee and Ponfar language at the time.

[00:07:41] But I knew of it. I knew this is the one where you know he has to go back to Vulcan and he has to fight Kirk and you know there was you know hormone stuff going on.

[00:07:53] The scenes that have been parodied so many times in other movies and TV shows. Yeah, yeah.

[00:08:00] I just I knew it was an important episode. It was one that I knew I was going to have to take seriously and do well and was one that I really you know knew people.

[00:08:13] It was an iconic episode and people were going to be asking about that song just based on the episode. So I wanted to make it something that wasn't going to disappoint people, you know, when they heard it.

[00:08:27] I think this could have arguably been one of the top most anticipated most anticipated episodes that we were going to do, just because of how iconic the episode is.

[00:08:42] I mean, I was playing it live like three times.

[00:08:45] It was more than that I'd say it was more like, like five or six times.

[00:08:51] Well, as I recall there are reasons for that.

[00:08:53] Once we have the word for battle, I think we definitely needed it. Yeah.

[00:08:57] So, yeah, speaking of the song. Noah. Yeah. Tell us what how did you go about writing the song.

[00:09:07] Again, this is one I knew I had to take seriously.

[00:09:10] I think I had a unlike me. I think that at this time I had a lot of the lyrics ahead of time.

[00:09:19] I might not have had them all the way shaped informed and then the right cadence and rhythm or anything but I had a lot of what I wanted to say ahead of time.

[00:09:27] I kind of took the lyric writing first and then came up with the music, which is usually the absolute opposite of what I do every single time which is always music first and then lyrics.

[00:09:40] This is an interesting song to me and I think into in five year mission history here because I believe it is our only song in drop D tuning recorded in drop D we haven't done anything else and drop D have we anybody.

[00:09:58] No,

[00:10:00] drop D.

[00:10:02] No, you would know. Yeah, yeah, no, session was in the in regular tuning. I wasn't even aware that this was in drop D because I'm playing lead on it.

[00:10:12] Yeah, well that yeah, and that's the if my alternate version of return to tomorrow counts.

[00:10:20] I recorded my guitar part in drop D so that I could play that open D note. But I don't know that that song actually counts.

[00:10:30] I put a guitar on devil in the dark where all the strings were tuned to the same, same pitch.

[00:10:40] So that's that works. That works. Yeah, so anyway it's in drop D which which I've you know it's only song I've done in that and I really was doing these weird I mean there are some weird ass chords that I was coming up with in this drop D as you sometimes kind of have to do and

[00:10:57] some of these other tunings. And that also was kind of what made it difficult once we went to play it live was me was number one by the time we got around to it remembering what those weird chords were in a different tuning.

[00:11:12] And then number two when we went to finally play this live we we wanted to couple it with a lurpa fight, which meant I needed to have my hands free to to fight.

[00:11:27] So Mike picked up guitar duty on this and I don't you learned it in drop D didn't you Mike. Yeah I learned to play it the way that you wrote it and recorded it, which by the way, thanks for making it so difficult and weird.

[00:11:42] And writing something that's almost impossible to play live and then handing me the guitar and telling me to play it for you.

[00:11:50] I really appreciate that.

[00:11:53] When we play live, you weren't playing guitar at all.

[00:11:58] No, I just sang and played the tambourine. I did a baby baby Jones move there. I remember the first the first time I wasn't used to doing the tambourine.

[00:12:09] So the first time I was like hitting it against my leg and like gave myself a bruise.

[00:12:15] I remember that I was like, but I had this big like black spot on my leg for a week. It was a big bruise to like it was a heavy duty tambourine.

[00:12:27] But yeah, so when we when we did it live there we went and corporate a Lerpa fight which which meant I had a Lerpa and then Chris who was on your own lead guitar still.

[00:12:38] Yeah, you just took off your guitar and grabbed a Lerpa and we fought and then it was Mike and Patrick and Andy who's kind of led the the fight music legendary fight music.

[00:12:52] So yeah, we had to learn that and kind of just in a way compose our own version of it.

[00:13:00] I think worked. I mean we kind of got it across. I think I don't know.

[00:13:04] I thought that was the best part of what we did when we played it.

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:12] But that piece was, I think probably. Yeah, I thought it's not really good.

[00:13:18] It did sound really good. I mean not only is it just iconic in the first place you'd love hearing it but just the sort of heavy bass guitar and drums just doing it in a live setting, you know make it very loud and tribal and kind of cool.

[00:13:33] The original scoring is horns. And so to transpose that into, you know, guitar and bass and drums it was it was a little I mean I think it was a little bit of a challenge but I think you all pulled it off.

[00:13:48] Yeah, the challenge is really going to and from the song, you know, a lot of time, right figuring out where to switch.

[00:13:56] It was a weird transition.

[00:13:58] Yeah, yeah, I do remember that.

[00:14:02] It was a lot of fun. I really liked doing that and I think the audience really loved it. They were really surprised that we did that.

[00:14:10] I remember when we were writing the song there was a lot of debate as to whether we should include that in the song. I know you went back and forth on that Noah.

[00:14:20] Yeah, and we eventually, I think decided to just put this very like lo-fi background sample of it in right at the beginning of the song, right?

[00:14:31] Yeah, it's right at the beginning.

[00:14:33] Yeah, so it did show itself in there.

[00:14:37] I mean it's like two seconds.

[00:14:40] Yeah, we were also worried about doing that because we didn't want to put any music from the show and then get in trouble.

[00:14:48] Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:51] This was year two, right?

[00:14:54] Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:57] Nobody really knew who we were.

[00:14:59] Well, Chris, I remember you and I had to, I remember doing a lot of like backstage choreographing, last minute backstage choreographing of how we were going to do this.

[00:15:11] That was a star base.

[00:15:12] Star base.

[00:15:13] When we released year two at Star Base, we did this for the first time, right?

[00:15:18] First of all, let's talk about the Lurpas. The Lurpas were these, like, it was basically a two inch dowel that we had.

[00:15:26] Two inch wood and a big stick.

[00:15:31] Yeah, big, thick broomstick.

[00:15:34] Yeah, and we took it and I think they were maybe four, five feet long.

[00:15:40] And we took soda bottles and cut the tops off and taped them with duct tape to one end.

[00:15:48] Yeah, like two liter bottles.

[00:15:50] Yeah, and like spray painted them silver. And then the other end was just a crescent or like a half moon shape of cardboard that we just slid in the slot that we cut.

[00:16:01] So it was like they were super flimsy.

[00:16:04] Somehow they stayed together through the fights. And I think, I think we might still have one of Patrick's right. I think it's in their base.

[00:16:13] It might be here. I just seem to recall seeing one recently.

[00:16:16] Yeah, so I mean, I think we still have those somewhere in but I know they were pretty beat up. I had one in my garage for a while and it was looking pretty sad.

[00:16:24] But it was pretty easy to make if we ever want to do it again.

[00:16:28] I'm pretty sure we did it the melody in and I'm pretty sure I took a I took a butt into that to the mouth.

[00:16:34] You did.

[00:16:35] One of the melody in.

[00:16:37] At Starbase, we had a lot more room.

[00:16:40] Yeah, we had this big open floor and then when we did it at the Mel, it was a lot more cramped. And so we couldn't really swing those things.

[00:16:47] And I think it was just the the Corey, the choreography that we had put together for Starbase didn't quite work in this smaller venue.

[00:17:00] It was just two inches too short.

[00:17:02] Yeah, I remember it being a lot of fun. It was silly. But we I mean, I think there's video somewhere and I think we pulled it off.

[00:17:11] Okay. Yeah, it was the end of the edition.

[00:17:15] Yeah, the ends of those things like I said was like a two liter bottle and a piece of cardboard. So they weren't going to do too much damage.

[00:17:21] I was always concerned when we were doing the sort of X shaped cross thing where you like hit the bars against each other, you know, like the handles against each other because those were big thick wooden ones.

[00:17:33] I was like, I kept thinking one of us is going to get our fingers in there and and smash our fingers real bad.

[00:17:41] But that luckily did not happen.

[00:17:44] After a while, didn't we I think, didn't you guys trade off I think Mike started doing some of the Lerpa stuff. And did we have the Gorn do it or am I misremembering that?

[00:17:53] No, we only did. I only remember doing the Lerpa fight twice at Starbase and at the Mel and then the Gorn fight Mike traded off with others because he kept breaking his finger.

[00:18:10] So he didn't want to do it anymore.

[00:18:13] Yeah, no thanks.

[00:18:15] And honestly, I think that's why we eventually didn't didn't go back to doing the Lerpa fights too because I think we're just whether we wanted to admit it or not we were like oh we're getting old and we're going to hurt ourselves.

[00:18:29] Just logistically it was doing the transition in the music.

[00:18:34] Yeah, plus getting out there it just took up a lot of time.

[00:18:38] And I decided that it will and plus we just weren't playing the song so I think I don't I can't remember remember playing it anymore than a couple times.

[00:18:47] I think that's key it just was never in practice so it was a huge yeah you were going to do it as a huge ordeal yet to relearn this entire song and figure out, you know how to do the fight in it too so

[00:19:00] and fight music and it was a lot of fun and I really love to do the song again.

[00:19:07] I do feel like we I feel like we did it more than twice though, but I too only have a memory of twice but I think we played the song more than twice, but I think the Lerpa fight only happened twice, but maybe three times but we

[00:19:24] remember the song itself being played quite a few times but yeah I think you're right about the middle part.

[00:19:29] I think we just changed it up or like Starbase Cindy and we're like well that went well let's do it again, you know.

[00:19:35] And then Noah got hit in the face with a two-lit bottle.

[00:19:38] There's a lot more to it than we were going to do in the end.

[00:19:43] Chris.

[00:19:44] Yeah.

[00:19:46] So up to this point, you had played kind of played lead a little bit on like one or two songs.

[00:19:55] Never.

[00:19:56] But they were like yeah they were like real basic parts so this is really the first song that you played like a real lead guitar part on.

[00:20:03] I had never, I hadn't played lead on anything before and I don't remember exactly how this happened but I think it was just Noah already had this part written really.

[00:20:15] And so, and I hadn't played lead on anything and I just wanted to and so I said hey I can do that.

[00:20:21] And I as I recall it was quite a struggle trying to figure it out and just like remember what to do every time.

[00:20:33] I never, we didn't play it enough that I ever got to a point where it was like muscle memory where I could just do it.

[00:20:41] But I think I managed to, I think I managed to get it to a place when we were playing it where I could do it well enough that it didn't sound terrible.

[00:20:51] So Mike did you in fact find the original demo for this when you were searching today?

[00:20:57] Yes.

[00:20:58] Today I looked I was listening back to the demos and I listened to the demo to this. Do you remember Noah that you actually sent out a second demo after this version where you like completely rewrote the music.

[00:21:14] I remember that.

[00:21:16] We went through it many, many times at practice like I remember we completely changed what we were doing at some point and then I think we completely changed it again.

[00:21:25] I think we rehearsed this song probably in more different ways than any other song.

[00:21:29] See I don't remember that at all.

[00:21:31] But I wouldn't have even remembered that there was that alternate version except Patrick one year you made CDs for everybody.

[00:21:41] It's kind of like the best of each person and you on mine you included that alternate demo of that alternate version.

[00:21:53] And I'd forgotten about it.

[00:21:56] But then what's funny is I have this giant bank of like voice memo ideas for like little bits of songs or when I'm working on writing a song and I just record it in my phone.

[00:22:10] And I've got this big bank of them and so sometimes when it's time for a new album.

[00:22:14] I'll just go back and listen to all these old ideas and see if there's something that strikes me as you know, and I just I remember just waiting through like 53 like 20 second 40 second little chunks of what was that alternate

[00:22:33] a mock time demo. So like I spent ages working on that thing apparently and then that was at the first one and I scrapped that to do the other one or was the other one first and I didn't like it and submitted the second one and we all decided we wanted the first one.

[00:22:51] The song, the way we play the song on the album it was the first one that you sent.

[00:22:56] Okay, it was. Yeah. And then the other one you sent like maybe a month later or something and you were like, here's a different version.

[00:23:05] I don't whatever you guys think I don't care you know this one or the other one.

[00:23:11] Apparently we tried both.

[00:23:14] Interesting. Wow.

[00:23:16] I probably have that somewhere too because I keep all the demos.

[00:23:21] I'll have to check because I don't remember what it sounded like at all.

[00:23:25] Yeah, I'll send it out if you want.

[00:23:28] Yeah, I have it in case.

[00:23:30] I said I think I only had two other things here on my notes. One was the, and maybe you can help me remember this Mike because at that time we were recording at my house and and I remember you and I spending a lot of time doing over dubbing and mixing and just doing a lot of work on your to

[00:23:51] Yeah.

[00:23:52] But so the part in the song where I just kind of repeat that a much time over and over again near the end right. Yeah.

[00:24:02] Yeah, there's some sort of weird like guttural yell thing that I did. And we like turned it backwards or we did some kind of weird thing to it and like looped it through that whole section where I'm saying a much time over and over again.

[00:24:23] Yeah. And I remember doing that I don't know if I could, I mean, if I was listening to right now I could probably pick that out I don't know if anybody else could maybe just sound like a keyboard sound or something but I know it's in there but I don't know if you remembered that.

[00:24:37] Yeah, I remember that it I think it just kind of sounds like background ambience but yeah it's definitely like a vocal thing you did that we played with with a bunch of effects.

[00:24:47] Okay, there's also like that part in the middle of the song where it breaks down and there's a bunch of like voice sounds and other like weird sound effects.

[00:24:58] Do you remember putting those in there.

[00:25:01] No, I don't know.

[00:25:06] I do remember the end of this song being just whenever we try to try and account and they're like out of like.

[00:25:16] They're not like in exact time.

[00:25:21] Like, like you would think they're in no time. Yeah, they're weird. Yeah, no more time.

[00:25:30] I remember all of us struggling with that at the first few times going through it.

[00:25:35] And so were you talking about the time to like the break that like that real the choir breakdown in the song, like where maybe we put saying we put like weird voices or something in the background of that.

[00:25:48] Yeah, it's the song you're talking about.

[00:25:50] It's like, yeah, it's where it breaks down is just the is this your guitar and there's these like talky like voices like saying like lines of dialogue basically from the episode.

[00:26:02] It's not like the it's not like the computer generated voices. It's like you doing the voices.

[00:26:08] Interesting. I'll have to go back and listen to that part really closely.

[00:26:14] Pick that out and remember it.

[00:26:17] I also did. I don't remember what it was. I think it was one of our one of our like pandemic zoom things maybe I worked out like a like a super slow dirgy acoustic version of this like capoed and in a totally different key.

[00:26:39] I remember doing that and I think I have that in a voice memo somewhere but I remember really, really liking that. I'm sure it's, I'm sure four people heard it.

[00:26:50] Do you have a country version tonight?

[00:26:52] I do not.

[00:26:54] I'm surprised and disappointed now it's only my mic is the only person you and Michael and people who do country versions.

[00:27:02] That's fair.

[00:27:03] Patrick kind of did a cowboy version of the specter of the gun. I guess that's country. Yeah, western. Yeah, yeah.

[00:27:12] But I mean it's at the episodes country western as my dad would say. Yeah country west.

[00:27:18] Andy couldn't join us tonight, but he probably has some stuff to say about this song and we will insert that right here.

[00:27:38] Hi Andy.

[00:27:39] Hi Mike.

[00:27:41] How's the episode going?

[00:27:44] It's going okay.

[00:27:46] Better now.

[00:27:47] Yeah, we could definitely use more insight.

[00:27:52] Has anybody remembered much of anything about recording this song?

[00:27:57] Well, it's been 12 years so no.

[00:28:00] Has it been 12 since year two came out?

[00:28:04] No.

[00:28:05] Well I guess 11 since we were recording year two.

[00:28:09] Okay.

[00:28:10] 11 years.

[00:28:11] Well yeah because we released years one and two back to back. So yeah like probably more like 11. Yeah.

[00:28:19] Yeah, the memories were definitely shoddy.

[00:28:22] So.

[00:28:23] At best.

[00:28:27] Yeah, 2000. Well 2011 so yeah that works. I had to look at our own Spotify to remember what year two came out.

[00:28:37] All right, so let's talk about a mock time.

[00:28:41] Yeah, horny Spock.

[00:28:43] Yeah.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] So so horny he defined captain's orders and turned to ship completely around just so he could go get married like a Mormon so he could have sex.

[00:28:56] This is this is the way.

[00:29:00] Apparently.

[00:29:04] Horny Spock is definitely one of the weirdest versions of Spock.

[00:29:10] Well, you know, it's not often he throws his plumique soup.

[00:29:16] The weird carrot broth.

[00:29:21] I actually actually made plumique soup like from like a Star Trek recipe book once.

[00:29:26] Oh yeah.

[00:29:27] It was not good.

[00:29:29] It's literally just a broth.

[00:29:31] Carrot soup.

[00:29:33] Basically yeah, it's a bunch of carrots and celery just all like blended together and like into like vegetable stock.

[00:29:41] And that was about it is gross. Yeah, it sounds gross.

[00:29:45] It's just salty water basically with like a couple little like stringy celery chunks in it.

[00:29:51] It's really no wonder he was so he was so mad and horny.

[00:29:55] He was he was like, I can't enjoy food so I might as well enjoy sex every seven years.

[00:30:01] Here you go, Mr. Vulcan.

[00:30:05] Mr. Vulcan.

[00:30:06] Oh, why did you have to quote one of the worst characters in Star Trek history?

[00:30:10] I don't know.

[00:30:11] I'm glad I'm glad he partially died.

[00:30:14] Did he?

[00:30:16] That one time when the whole two Vicks debacle.

[00:30:19] Oh yeah.

[00:30:20] No, we were almost rid of him.

[00:30:23] Dino.

[00:30:24] So close.

[00:30:25] They should have just got rid of him when he didn't have lungs anymore.

[00:30:29] So much.

[00:30:32] Anyway, yeah.

[00:30:34] What a digression.

[00:30:38] Do you have any other thoughts or comments on the episode?

[00:30:43] Not really.

[00:30:44] It's been a hot minute.

[00:30:46] Anything about Lurpas or Ponfar or Callipy or how hot to pow is when she's 90.

[00:30:55] Oh God, that she has to be carried out in a chair.

[00:31:02] And there's apparently the weird horny shield that that as long as you bang it,

[00:31:09] you can bang.

[00:31:11] But then, but then he got Spock blocked, which we brought up in.

[00:31:17] Troubles.

[00:31:18] Yep.

[00:31:19] Yeah.

[00:31:20] That was one of the memes I made years ago.

[00:31:22] But yeah, we got also ended up getting one of the best pop culture moments with

[00:31:28] the Kirk and Spock fight scene, especially the music that they did.

[00:31:33] They wound up recycling that for other episodes too, but just not as iconic.

[00:31:37] Right.

[00:31:38] Yeah, it's used a couple of times, but it's definitely made for this episode

[00:31:42] specifically.

[00:31:43] I want to say they reuse the music in game series of Triskelion.

[00:31:48] It's possible.

[00:31:49] It's been a while since I've sat down and watched that or even like paid

[00:31:52] attention to the music or anything.

[00:31:54] But yeah.

[00:31:56] They definitely use it in the cable guy.

[00:31:59] Yeah, that's what I was about to bring up and got us that famous Jim

[00:32:02] Kerry scene where they hit medieval times.

[00:32:11] Which when we did this song live, we did get the recreation of that

[00:32:18] scene basically between Noah and Chris.

[00:32:23] And then it was it was up to us to learn that fight music.

[00:32:27] Yeah, that was definitely a challenge.

[00:32:30] I still think we probably should wind up re recording this song at

[00:32:35] some point and doing like the fight scene music breakdown in the

[00:32:39] middle just to just to have it.

[00:32:41] And you can even have like like Lerpa sound effects in the background

[00:32:45] little ching and blocks and stuff.

[00:32:48] We'll leave it up to Chris and Noah to put those sound effects in.

[00:32:52] Yeah, I mean we could just follow them around with boom mics

[00:32:55] basically and be like just just do what you would do on a on

[00:33:00] either a carpet at Starbase Indie or on the floor of the melody.

[00:33:06] And so those are the two places I remember recreating that.

[00:33:09] I think those are the only two places that we ever did had the fight.

[00:33:14] I don't think we ever did it anywhere else.

[00:33:17] Okay, yeah, because I know I know we've done the Gorn fight

[00:33:20] multiple places, but I remember if we did the Lerpa fight

[00:33:23] any more than the two times.

[00:33:26] No, when we were talking about it earlier on the podcast,

[00:33:30] we determined it was only two times.

[00:33:33] I'm just really reiterating.

[00:33:37] Well, do you have any memories or thoughts or opinions about

[00:33:43] the recording, the album version of the song that we produced?

[00:33:50] All I remember is we had so many issues trying to figure out how

[00:33:57] to do that transition from the end of the chorus going back into

[00:34:03] like the little preverse.

[00:34:06] The that that little part.

[00:34:11] I remember having to do that part over and over and over again

[00:34:16] just to get it down.

[00:34:21] Oh, yeah, that's a.

[00:34:24] I think that's really the only memory I have of that song unless you can remind me of something because

[00:34:31] again, it's 11 years and I've not done a lot of drugs since then.

[00:34:37] Yeah, I we none of the rest of us didn't have a whole lot of memory actually Patrick had the most memories

[00:34:44] from working on it.

[00:34:46] He reminded us that Noah actually had us do a whole different version of it.

[00:34:51] We like learned and a whole nother version of the song that we worked on for a couple of weeks before we switched back to the

[00:34:58] to this version, which was the original one.

[00:35:02] Whoa, I don't remember that at all.

[00:35:04] Yeah, I didn't remember that but I mean he he clearly remembers us doing it so

[00:35:10] and Noah had another demo that he sent out.

[00:35:14] So I totally believe that we tried it.

[00:35:17] But we need to dig that out then.

[00:35:19] Yeah, somebody has that know it and knowing Noah and his crazy old phone.

[00:35:25] He probably still have it on his phone.

[00:35:28] Yeah, I want to hear like that like back to back to back.

[00:35:31] I want to hear him how he loves to hum ideas into his phone.

[00:35:39] So we're going to do a demo for what made the album and then the demo that we did for like two weeks or whatever.

[00:35:46] And just to see like the weird comparisons and then finally that obviously the episodes could end with the song so yeah if Noah can

[00:35:54] dig those out, if you can find those somewhere, we could do like a like a little how to construct a song video or something that

[00:36:03] just shows the progressions.

[00:36:06] Yeah, actually I thought about doing that with with the empath because we've been working on it and we have a few different versions recorded now as it's evolving and I have a few of those phone recordings of myself humming and then making up like guitar parts and stuff so we could totally make make like a you know the evolution of a song video.

[00:36:34] Yeah, I like that we're just now thinking this as we're doing the final album in the TOS run.

[00:36:42] Yeah, something we should have been doing all along 12 years later.

[00:36:55] And that's what Andy had to say about this song.

[00:36:58] That guy very insightful.

[00:37:01] Yeah.

[00:37:04] Anything else any other memories or thoughts you guys have about the mock time the song or the episode before we wrap this up.

[00:37:13] I just got to say this.

[00:37:15] I, at the time when Noah sent this out and we started developing it I was just like man this is a great song.

[00:37:25] And I still really like this song. It's one of one of my early favorites of Noah's I think.

[00:37:33] Thanks.

[00:37:36] And then I ruined it with my lead guitar.

[00:37:41] It's a creative arrangement to.

[00:37:44] Yes.

[00:37:46] So starting the episode back when I was watching a bunch of Star Trek and becoming obsessed with it. I think this is the episode that I was watching when I kind of had that feeling wash over me when I was like you know what I really love Star Trek this is really, you know this is this is great I should

[00:38:06] write songs about this.

[00:38:08] Like I think I think this this was this like it was during like the whole Lerpa fight I was like man this is so good.

[00:38:16] Like why you know why why don't I watch all of these episodes.

[00:38:21] That's a great and then you did.

[00:38:24] And then I did.

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[00:41:50] I heard now through space and deadly invitation late.

[00:41:56] I'm burning that I carry now and logic stripped away.

[00:42:01] I thought that I might be immune but instead I am consumed the time I'm wanting and I'm mindless.

[00:42:10] I'm sitting all just to get to you.

[00:42:15] Free destiny and willing to do off you that soon with my stability cutting you not so good to the blacked out will I suffer you will I suffer you.

[00:42:40] I've carried it up bird into myself and on my crew.

[00:42:45] It's forbidden here to speak of it and harder to construe.

[00:42:51] Take me now I lose myself I'm locked here in my room.

[00:42:56] My heart is far my eyes a bird I cannot be subdued.

[00:43:02] This blood fever it called me home the color of the earth.

[00:43:07] The ancient plain it's single goal biology controls and disavows.

[00:43:14] We stand the body lies on the ground from black town.

[00:43:21] My captain and my friends and I will survive.

[00:43:27] I won't live a life of prosperity.

[00:43:41] This time goes by you might find that having never satisfied is like the one in your mind.

[00:43:52] It's not logical I know but it's true and now I go to live with what I'm sacrificed.

[00:44:01] Time, time, time, time.

[00:44:53] Live long and prosper.

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